From willcha@sme.org Fri Feb 1 20:22:30 2002
From: willcha@sme.org (Charles Williams)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:22:30 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] Feb Meeting
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Could you announce the Feb meeting details at www.gllug.org ?
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Feb Meeting
Could you announce the Feb meeting details at www.gllug.org ?
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From PMelson@sequoianet.com Fri Feb 1 21:21:56 2002
From: PMelson@sequoianet.com (Melson, Paul)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:21:56 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] (OT) Win32 ping and errorlevel ?
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Sorry for the Microsoftish question, but it seems like someone might =
have stumbled across this issue already.
Does anybody know about PING.EXE for WinNT/2K and its errorlevels? I'm =
trying to script a Scheduled Task that would check to see if a network =
connection (VPN in this case, but that's irrelevant) is up before =
launching MOBSYNC.EXE. Here is the offending code:
@echo off
ping -n 5 10.0.0.8 # This sends 5 packets to overcome any ARP or lag =
issues.
ping -n 1 -w 5000 10.0.0.8 # This sends 1 packet w/ 5sec wait time to =
assure the IP is up.
if not errorlevel 0 goto Fail # If there is any errorlevel other than =
0, we have a problem.
But we have a problem, anyway. It seems to be skipping the "if" =
statement. Regardless of whether or not it's able to ping the host, it =
tries to run the commands to connect to the host and sync up. Is there =
something wrong w/ my syntax? I chose to do it this way because I was =
unable to find any documentation on PING.EXE and specific errorlevels. =
Or does PING.EXE simply not return errorlevels? I would do this w/ a =
shell script in Cygwin, but Cygwin uses the same ping program, and it =
seems like such a simple task to use Ping.pm for. Any help you can =
provide is greatly appreciated.
PS - the actual batch file doesn't have the #-marked comments.
Thanks,
PaulM
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(OT) Win32 ping and errorlevel ?
Sorry for the Microsoftish question, =
but it seems like someone might have stumbled across this issue =
already.
Does anybody know about PING.EXE for =
WinNT/2K and its errorlevels? I'm trying to script a Scheduled =
Task that would check to see if a network connection (VPN in this case, =
but that's irrelevant) is up before launching MOBSYNC.EXE. Here is =
the offending code:
@echo off
ping -n 5 =
10.0.0.8 =
=
=
# This sends 5 packets to =
overcome any ARP or lag issues.
ping -n 1 -w 5000 =
10.0.0.8 =
=
# This sends 1 packet w/ 5sec =
wait time to assure the IP is up.
if not errorlevel 0 goto =
Fail =
# If there is any errorlevel =
other than 0, we have a problem.
But we have a problem, anyway. It =
seems to be skipping the "if" statement. Regardless of =
whether or not it's able to ping the host, it tries to run the commands =
to connect to the host and sync up. Is there something wrong w/ my =
syntax? I chose to do it this way because I was unable to find any =
documentation on PING.EXE and specific errorlevels. Or does =
PING.EXE simply not return errorlevels? I would do this w/ a shell =
script in Cygwin, but Cygwin uses the same ping program, and it seems =
like such a simple task to use Ping.pm for. Any help you can =
provide is greatly appreciated.
PS - the actual batch file doesn't have =
the #-marked comments.
Thanks,
PaulM
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From drk@netophilia.net Fri Feb 1 21:39:12 2002
From: drk@netophilia.net (Daniel R. Kilbourne)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:39:12 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] Feb Meeting
In-Reply-To: <9453B5DFBA57D311908C00508B12180C020E0FFB@rs-7-sme-1.sme.org>; from willcha@sme.org on Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 03:22:30PM -0500
References: <9453B5DFBA57D311908C00508B12180C020E0FFB@rs-7-sme-1.sme.org>
Message-ID: <20020201163912.C19986@voyager.net>
If I can get the finalized details I will update the site.
Charles Williams extolled:
> Could you announce the Feb meeting details at www.gllug.org ?
>
> willcha@sme.org
--
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Daniel R. Kilbourne
drk@netophilia.net
________________________________
From mcdouga9@egr.msu.edu Fri Feb 1 22:15:17 2002
From: mcdouga9@egr.msu.edu (Adam McDougall)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:15:17 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] (OT) Win32 ping and errorlevel ?
In-Reply-To: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E52CB9A9@lansingemail.seqnt.com>
References: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E52CB9A9@lansingemail.seqnt.com>
Message-ID: <20020201221517.GL27455@egr.msu.edu>
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 04:21:56PM -0500, Melson, Paul wrote:
Sorry for the Microsoftish question, but it seems like someone might have stumbled across this issue already.
Does anybody know about PING.EXE for WinNT/2K and its errorlevels? I'm trying to script a Scheduled Task that would check to see if a network connection (VPN in this case, but that's irrelevant) is up before launching MOBSYNC.EXE. Here is the offending code:
@echo off
ping -n 5 10.0.0.8 # This sends 5 packets to overcome any ARP or lag issues.
ping -n 1 -w 5000 10.0.0.8 # This sends 1 packet w/ 5sec wait time to assure the IP is up.
if not errorlevel 0 goto Fail # If there is any errorlevel other than 0, we have a problem.
Try:
if not errorlevel==0 goto Fail
But we have a problem, anyway. It seems to be skipping the "if" statement. Regardless of whether or not it's able to ping the host, it tries to run the commands to connect to the host and sync up. Is there something wrong w/ my syntax? I chose to do it this way because I was unable to find any documentation on PING.EXE and specific errorlevels. Or does PING.EXE simply not return errorlevels? I would do this w/ a shell script in Cygwin, but Cygwin uses the same ping program, and it seems like such a simple task to use Ping.pm for. Any help you can provide is greatly appreciated.
PS - the actual batch file doesn't have the #-marked comments.
Thanks,
PaulM
From fearsb@michigan.gov Mon Feb 4 14:22:00 2002
From: fearsb@michigan.gov (Brad Fears)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 09:22:00 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] (OT) Win32 ping and errorlevel ?
Message-ID:
Windows doesn't handle errorlevels as well as *nix does. How about this instead?
@echo off
for /F "tokens=1-7 delims=:, " %%i in ('ping -n 5 -w 5000 10.0.0.8 ^|find ^"% loss^"') do (
set xSent=%%l
set xReceived=%%o
)
if %xSent% == %xReceived% goto next
echo Must be DOWN!
:: Insert your commands here
goto exit
:next
echo Must be UP!
:: Insert your commands here
:exit
--Brad Fears
>>> "Melson, Paul" 02/01/02 04:21PM >>>
Sorry for the Microsoftish question, but it seems like someone might have stumbled across this issue already.
Does anybody know about PING.EXE for WinNT/2K and its errorlevels? I'm trying to script a Scheduled Task that would check to see if a network connection (VPN in this case, but that's irrelevant) is up before launching MOBSYNC.EXE. Here is the offending code:
@echo off
ping -n 5 10.0.0.8 # This sends 5 packets to overcome any ARP or lag issues.
ping -n 1 -w 5000 10.0.0.8 # This sends 1 packet w/ 5sec wait time to assure the IP is up.
if not errorlevel 0 goto Fail # If there is any errorlevel other than 0, we have a problem.
But we have a problem, anyway. It seems to be skipping the "if" statement. Regardless of whether or not it's able to ping the host, it tries to run the commands to connect to the host and sync up. Is there something wrong w/ my syntax? I chose to do it this way because I was unable to find any documentation on PING.EXE and specific errorlevels. Or does PING.EXE simply not return errorlevels? I would do this w/ a shell script in Cygwin, but Cygwin uses the same ping program, and it seems like such a simple task to use Ping.pm for. Any help you can provide is greatly appreciated.
PS - the actual batch file doesn't have the #-marked comments.
Thanks,
PaulM
From randall.keyes@jnli.com Mon Feb 4 20:54:50 2002
From: randall.keyes@jnli.com (Keyes, Randall)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:54:50 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] Lindows
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Has anyone looked at this OS? Just wondering if it actually delivers.
Randy Keyes
JNL Network Services
randall.keyes@jnli.com
517-367-3976
"Faith is to believe what we do not see; and the reward of this faith is to
see what we believe." Augustine
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Lindows
Has anyone looked at this OS? Just wondering if =
it actually delivers.
Randy Keyes
JNL Network Services
randall.keyes@jnli.com <mailto:randall.keyes@jnli.com=
>
517-367-3976
"Faith is to believe what we do not see; and =
the reward of this faith is to see what we believe." =
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From fearsb@michigan.gov Mon Feb 4 20:59:42 2002
From: fearsb@michigan.gov (Brad Fears)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 15:59:42 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] Lindows
Message-ID:
Might want to have a look at this review:
http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/01/25/1811226&mode=thread
--Brad Fears
>>> "Keyes, Randall" 02/04/02 03:54PM >>>
Has anyone looked at this OS? Just wondering if it actually delivers.
Randy Keyes
JNL Network Services
randall.keyes@jnli.com
517-367-3976
"Faith is to believe what we do not see; and the reward of this faith is to
see what we believe." Augustine
From mcdouga9@egr.msu.edu Tue Feb 5 21:19:41 2002
From: mcdouga9@egr.msu.edu (Adam McDougall)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:19:41 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] www.gllug.org website problem
Message-ID: <20020205211941.GA15386@egr.msu.edu>
Could someone fix this please? Thanks
Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /resources/sql-intro.htm on this
server.
Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an
ErrorDocument to handle the request.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Apache/1.3.20 Server at www.gllug.org Port 80
From drk@netophilia.net Tue Feb 5 21:39:38 2002
From: drk@netophilia.net (Daniel R. Kilbourne)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:39:38 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] www.gllug.org website problem
In-Reply-To: <20020205211941.GA15386@egr.msu.edu>; from mcdouga9@egr.msu.edu on Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 04:19:41PM -0500
References: <20020205211941.GA15386@egr.msu.edu>
Message-ID: <20020205163938.D88175@voyager.net>
fixed
Feel free to report any other problems you find directly to me
Adam McDougall extolled:
> Could someone fix this please? Thanks
>
>
>
> Forbidden
> You don't have permission to access /resources/sql-intro.htm on this
> server.
>
> Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an
> ErrorDocument to handle the request.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Apache/1.3.20 Server at www.gllug.org Port 80
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> linux-user mailing list
> linux-user@egr.msu.edu
> http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user
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--------------------------------
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drk@netophilia.net
________________________________
From blackwe5@pilot.msu.edu Thu Feb 7 05:38:45 2002
From: blackwe5@pilot.msu.edu (Eric Brent Blackwell)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 00:38:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GLLUG] configuration
Message-ID: <200202070538.g175cj749340@pilot03.cl.msu.edu>
I am having a laarge problem configuring red hat 7.1 to the campus ethernet.
Can some one please help me, and emancipate me from Microsoft.
Eric B. Blackwell
From blp@cs.stanford.edu Thu Feb 7 06:22:34 2002
From: blp@cs.stanford.edu (Ben Pfaff)
Date: 06 Feb 2002 22:22:34 -0800
Subject: [GLLUG] configuration
In-Reply-To: <200202070538.g175cj749340@pilot03.cl.msu.edu>
References: <200202070538.g175cj749340@pilot03.cl.msu.edu>
Message-ID: <87zo2llsk5.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu>
"Eric Brent Blackwell" writes:
> I am having a laarge problem configuring red hat 7.1 to the campus ethernet.
> Can some one please help me, and emancipate me from Microsoft.
Describing the problem would probably help.
From roach@www.voyager.net Thu Feb 7 12:54:57 2002
From: roach@www.voyager.net (Eric T. Roach)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 07:54:57 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] configuration
References: <200202070538.g175cj749340@pilot03.cl.msu.edu> <87zo2llsk5.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <3C627921.6506D49@www.voyager.net>
If I remember correctly, it's been well over a year since the last installfest.
Perhaps this could prompt the group to organize one.
Ben Pfaff wrote:
> "Eric Brent Blackwell" writes:
>
> > I am having a laarge problem configuring red hat 7.1 to the campus ethernet.
> > Can some one please help me, and emancipate me from Microsoft.
>
> Describing the problem would probably help.
> _______________________________________________
> linux-user mailing list
> linux-user@egr.msu.edu
> http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user
From szumlins@msu.edu Thu Feb 7 14:49:45 2002
From: szumlins@msu.edu (Mike Szumlinski)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 09:49:45 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] Darwin/x86
Message-ID:
Just curious if anyone has tried out Darwin/x86 yet? My x86 boxes are box
full of crap hardware, so it isn't supported on my machines. Eventually I'd
love to switch from FreeBSD to Darwin (seeing the entire ports tree has
moved over to Darwin - see http://gnu-darwin.sourceforge.net).
-Mike
-=--===---===---===---===-=-
|Mike Szumlinski |
|Michigan State University |
-=--===---===---===---===-=-
"I need a job. Hire me"
From balanonh@msu.edu Thu Feb 7 16:00:07 2002
From: balanonh@msu.edu (Henry Balanon)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 11:00:07 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] rackmount cases and chasis
Message-ID: <000d01c1aff0$868c0660$6701a8c0@henry>
anyone have any rackmount equipment i
can have or buy? me and my roommates
need more space so we need to get our
computers in one small area. perhaps
engineering building has a few extra?
*nudge*
-h
-----------------------
Henry Balanon
Email: balanonh@msu.edu
-----------------------
From drk@netophilia.net Thu Feb 7 17:09:46 2002
From: drk@netophilia.net (Daniel R. Kilbourne)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:09:46 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] rackmount cases and chasis
In-Reply-To: <000d01c1aff0$868c0660$6701a8c0@henry>; from balanonh@msu.edu on Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 11:00:07AM -0500
References: <000d01c1aff0$868c0660$6701a8c0@henry>
Message-ID: <20020207120945.A32998@voyager.net>
When you say rackmount equipment, what do you mean?
An actual rack? Rackmount cases for PCs?
Hell, if anyone is giving those away, sign me up too.
Otherwise, you may wish to look online to buy some.
Henry Balanon extolled:
> anyone have any rackmount equipment i
> can have or buy? me and my roommates
> need more space so we need to get our
> computers in one small area. perhaps
> engineering building has a few extra?
> *nudge*
>
> -h
>
> -----------------------
> Henry Balanon
> Email: balanonh@msu.edu
> -----------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> linux-user mailing list
> linux-user@egr.msu.edu
> http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user
--
--------------------------------
Daniel R. Kilbourne
drk@netophilia.net
________________________________
From jclii@yahoo.com Thu Feb 7 20:02:53 2002
From: jclii@yahoo.com (J.C. LAMACCHIA JR)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:02:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GLLUG] Redhat configuration for campus network
Message-ID: <20020207200253.41573.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com>
Eric,
If you haven't done so already you may want to
check the ethernet configuration instructions for
Redhat (albeit version 6.2) at
http://www.msu.edu/service/sns/linux/redhat_ethernet_config.html
Jim LaMacchia
Computer Services Librarian
MSU-Detroit College of Law
*****************
I am having a laarge problem configuring red hat 7.1
to the campus
ethernet.
Can some one please help me, and emancipate me from
Microsoft.
Eric B. Blackwell
__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings!
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From picasso@madflower.com Tue Feb 12 10:12:02 2002
From: picasso@madflower.com (Sean)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 05:12:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GLLUG] Meeting tommorrow??
Message-ID:
I havent seen anything on the list and I havent seen anyone saying
anything about a presentation. so what is up with our meeting schedule?
From picasso@madflower.com Tue Feb 12 10:20:09 2002
From: picasso@madflower.com (Sean)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 05:20:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GLLUG] Free Linux training...
Message-ID:
If you look at http://www.beefreeway.com/ which is a state sponsered
program. They actually have free Linux, Unix, etc. training for small
(less than 25 full-time employees) businesses.
I thought there was something for non-profits too but I am NOT seeing that
atm. and I am having a ahrd time navigating this maze.
Sean
From szidikm@mlcnet.org Tue Feb 12 15:16:16 2002
From: szidikm@mlcnet.org (Mark Szidik)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:16:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GLLUG] Free Linux training...
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
Thanks for sharing this site. Very cool.
______________________________________________________________________
Mark Szidik
On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Sean wrote:
> If you look at http://www.beefreeway.com/ which is a state sponsered
> program. They actually have free Linux, Unix, etc. training for small
> (less than 25 full-time employees) businesses.
>
> I thought there was something for non-profits too but I am NOT seeing that
> atm. and I am having a ahrd time navigating this maze.
>
> Sean
>
> _______________________________________________
> linux-user mailing list
> linux-user@egr.msu.edu
> http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user
>
From bcarr@icshq.com Wed Feb 13 14:32:37 2002
From: bcarr@icshq.com (Barry Carr)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:32:37 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] Next Meeting?
Message-ID: <000201c1b49b$49986820$c79a99d1@prog17002>
When is the next meeting? I haven't attended yet, but I'm really interested
in attending the next meeting.
Barry Carr
bcarr@icshq.com
From balanonh@msu.edu Wed Feb 13 15:51:29 2002
From: balanonh@msu.edu (Henry Balanon)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:51:29 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] Next Meeting?
References: <000201c1b49b$49986820$c79a99d1@prog17002>
Message-ID: <000701c1b4a6$503de910$6701a8c0@henry>
are these "meetings" newbie friendly?
-h
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Carr"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 9:32
AM
Subject: [GLLUG] Next Meeting?
> When is the next meeting? I haven't
attended yet, but I'm really interested
> in attending the next meeting.
>
> Barry Carr
> bcarr@icshq.com
>
>
>
________________________________________
_______
> linux-user mailing list
> linux-user@egr.msu.edu
>
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linux-user
From glowack2@msu.edu Wed Feb 13 16:08:21 2002
From: glowack2@msu.edu (Edward Glowacki)
Date: 13 Feb 2002 11:08:21 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] Next Meeting?
In-Reply-To: <000701c1b4a6$503de910$6701a8c0@henry>
References: <000201c1b49b$49986820$c79a99d1@prog17002>
<000701c1b4a6$503de910$6701a8c0@henry>
Message-ID: <1013616501.92935.14.camel@hurakan.cl.msu.edu>
On Wed, 2002-02-13 at 10:51, Henry Balanon wrote:
> are these "meetings" newbie friendly?
>
> -h
Yeah, a bit geeky at times, but overall fairly newbie friendly. We had
cookies and beverages at a recent meeting, and we even let the
first-timers have some! ;)
Generally we try to be helpful to the newbies, but what I think often
happens is that the newbies show up and don't feel confident enough to
ask questions. With nothing specific to talk about, the rest of us get
into some heavy geek-talk, then the newbies think, "Hey, this is way
over my head and they don't want to help me", and the newbie doesn't
ever reappear at another meeting...
So a message to all you newbies, *please* ask questions. Chances are,
someone there will know the answer, or at least be able to start you on
the road to finding the answer. You're also free to bring your computer
to have us help you fix a problem on the spot, though we do understand
the hassle involved in moving a computer and that it's not always worth
the effort.
Does that answer your question, or do I need to bribe you with cookies
and pop to get you to come to the next meeting? ;)
--
Edward Glowacki glowack2@msu.edu
GLLUG Peon http://www.gllug.org
Imagination is the one weapon in the war against reality.
-- Jules de Gaultier
From felicia@lon-capa.org Wed Feb 13 16:10:35 2002
From: felicia@lon-capa.org (Felicia Berryman)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:10:35 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] Where is outgoing mail stored?
Message-ID: <3C6A8FFA.944339E9@lon-capa.org>
Hello,
I have a machine that was sending outgoing mail and filling up
mailboxes. The current solution has been to unplug the ethernet. I
would prefer to delete the outgoing mail and have the machine back on
the network though. Does anyone know if this stored in an outbox
similar to the /var/spool/mail/ inboxes?
Thanks!
Felicia
--
Felicia Berryman
LON-CAPA Coordinator
Michigan State University
Email: felicia@lon-capa.org
Phone: (517)432-9866
http://www.lon-capa.org
From dpk@egr.msu.edu Wed Feb 13 16:16:11 2002
From: dpk@egr.msu.edu (Dpk)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:16:11 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] Where is outgoing mail stored?
In-Reply-To: <3C6A8FFA.944339E9@lon-capa.org>
References: <3C6A8FFA.944339E9@lon-capa.org>
Message-ID: <20020213161611.GB4223@egr.msu.edu>
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 11:10:35AM -0500, Felicia Berryman wrote:
Hello,
I have a machine that was sending outgoing mail and filling up
mailboxes. The current solution has been to unplug the ethernet.
I would prefer to delete the outgoing mail and have the machine
back on the network though. Does anyone know if this stored in an
outbox similar to the /var/spool/mail/ inboxes?
Thanks!
Outgoing email is queued in /var/spool/mqueue/
If you are running sendmail you will want to execute the following:
/etc/init.d/sendmail stop; rm -f /var/spool/mqueue; \
/etc/init.d/sendmail start
Dennis Kelly
Network Administrator
College of Engineering
Michigan State University
From sreiner@fnba.com Wed Feb 13 16:22:10 2002
From: sreiner@fnba.com (Suzanne Reiner 8423)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:22:10 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] Next Meeting?
In-Reply-To: <1013616501.92935.14.camel@hurakan.cl.msu.edu>
Message-ID: <009201c1b4aa$96ae4d50$66631cac@99102dev>
-----Original Message-----
From: linux-user-admin@egr.msu.edu
[mailto:linux-user-admin@egr.msu.edu]On Behalf Of Edward Glowacki
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:08 AM
To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu
Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Next Meeting?
On Wed, 2002-02-13 at 10:51, Henry Balanon wrote:
>> are these "meetings" newbie friendly?
>>
>> -h
>Yeah, a bit geeky at times, but overall fairly newbie friendly. We had
>cookies and beverages at a recent meeting, and we even let the
>first-timers have some! ;)
>Generally we try to be helpful to the newbies, but what I think often
>happens is that the newbies show up and don't feel confident enough to
>ask questions. With nothing specific to talk about, the rest of us get
>into some heavy geek-talk, then the newbies think, "Hey, this is way
>over my head and they don't want to help me", and the newbie doesn't
>ever reappear at another meeting...
>So a message to all you newbies, *please* ask questions. Chances are,
>someone there will know the answer, or at least be able to start you on
>the road to finding the answer. You're also free to bring your computer
>to have us help you fix a problem on the spot, though we do understand
>the hassle involved in moving a computer and that it's not always worth
>the effort.
>Does that answer your question, or do I need to bribe you with cookies
>and pop to get you to come to the next meeting? ;)
OOooh. Bribe me! Bribe ME! Is the next meeting tonight?
Suzanne
From PMelson@sequoianet.com Wed Feb 13 16:27:40 2002
From: PMelson@sequoianet.com (Melson, Paul)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:27:40 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] Where is outgoing mail stored?
Message-ID: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E52CB9BC@lansingemail.seqnt.com>
Depends on your mail server software.
Sendmail: /var/spool/mqueue (or /var/mail/mqueue)
Postfix: /var/spool/postfix/maildrop
Qmail: /var/qmail/queue
PaulM
-----Original Message-----
From: Felicia Berryman [mailto:felicia@lon-capa.org]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:11 AM
To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu
Subject: [GLLUG] Where is outgoing mail stored?
Hello,
I have a machine that was sending outgoing mail and filling up
mailboxes. The current solution has been to unplug the ethernet. I
would prefer to delete the outgoing mail and have the machine back on
the network though. Does anyone know if this stored in an outbox
similar to the /var/spool/mail/ inboxes?
Thanks!
Felicia
--
Felicia Berryman
LON-CAPA Coordinator
Michigan State University
Email: felicia@lon-capa.org
Phone: (517)432-9866
http://www.lon-capa.org
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From picasso@madflower.com Wed Feb 13 12:43:17 2002
From: picasso@madflower.com (Sean)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 07:43:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GLLUG] Next Meeting?
In-Reply-To: <1013616501.92935.14.camel@hurakan.cl.msu.edu>
Message-ID:
On 13 Feb 2002, Edward Glowacki wrote:
> Does that answer your question, or do I need to bribe you with cookies
> and pop to get you to come to the next meeting? ;)
You better bring lots because this is one hungry newbie. =)
On the same note, if the meeting "topic" isn't something you are
interested in (or never heard of the technology being discussed). There is
time to discuss OTHER topics, and don't be afraid to show up because what
you want to ask is not the "official topic".
From picasso@madflower.com Wed Feb 13 12:48:30 2002
From: picasso@madflower.com (Sean)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 07:48:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GLLUG] iPod's
In-Reply-To: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E52CB9BC@lansingemail.seqnt.com>
Message-ID:
Has anyone seen/heard of a way to get the iPod synced with Linux? Im sure
I wont be able to boot, or use it as a drive, but I thought syncing would
be nice.
From szumlins@msu.edu Wed Feb 13 16:51:49 2002
From: szumlins@msu.edu (Mike Szumlinski)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:51:49 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] (no subject)
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
Check out ipoding.com and ipodhacks.com every day or so. They tend to be
where I get my info hub.
-Mike
On 2/13/02 7:48 AM, "Sean" wrote:
> Has anyone seen/heard of a way to get the iPod synced with Linux? Im sure
> I wont be able to boot, or use it as a drive, but I thought syncing would
> be nice.
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|Michigan State University |
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-Aristotle
From soverfield@gccmha.org Wed Feb 13 16:46:29 2002
From: soverfield@gccmha.org (Scott Overfield)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:46:29 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] Arp warnings
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Good Mornong,
Yesterday I set up a dual-homed freebsd box as an internal firewall between
2 subnets on my LAN....this morning when I came in, the console was full of
messages like this: arp: 172.16.0.1 is on xl1 but got reply from
00:04:76:bc:0e:ec on xl0.... Any ideas?
********************************************
Scott Overfield
Network Administrator
Gratiot County Community Mental Health
989-466-4109
soverfield@gccmha.org
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Arp warnings
Good Mornong,
Yesterday I set up a dual-homed =
freebsd box as an internal firewall between 2 subnets on my LAN....this =
morning when I came in, the console was full of messages like this: =
arp: 172.16.0.1 is on xl1 but got reply from 00:04:76:bc:0e:ec on =
xl0.... Any ideas?
********************************************
Scott Overfield
Network Administrator
Gratiot County Community Mental =
Health
989-466-4109
soverfield@gccmha.org
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From fearsb@michigan.gov Wed Feb 13 18:07:43 2002
From: fearsb@michigan.gov (Brad Fears)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:07:43 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] Arp warnings
Message-ID:
What IP addresses/netmasks did you assign to 'xl0' and 'xl1'? The routed deamon won't route packets if both nics are on the same subnet.
--Brad Fears
>>> Scott Overfield 02/13/02 11:46AM >>>
Good Mornong,
Yesterday I set up a dual-homed freebsd box as an internal firewall between
2 subnets on my LAN....this morning when I came in, the console was full of
messages like this: arp: 172.16.0.1 is on xl1 but got reply from
00:04:76:bc:0e:ec on xl0.... Any ideas?
********************************************
Scott Overfield
Network Administrator
Gratiot County Community Mental Health
989-466-4109
soverfield@gccmha.org
From soverfield@gccmha.org Wed Feb 13 17:57:47 2002
From: soverfield@gccmha.org (Scott Overfield)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:57:47 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] Arp warnings
Message-ID: <918F8DDE7A6AD311A90900508B2CBF70297E7C@SERVER1>
65.x.x.x 255.255.255.224, 172.x.x.x, 255.255.255.0
-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Fears [mailto:fearsb@michigan.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:08 PM
To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu; soverfield@gccmha.org
Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Arp warnings
What IP addresses/netmasks did you assign to 'xl0' and 'xl1'? The routed
deamon won't route packets if both nics are on the same subnet.
--Brad Fears
>>> Scott Overfield 02/13/02 11:46AM >>>
Good Mornong,
Yesterday I set up a dual-homed freebsd box as an internal firewall between
2 subnets on my LAN....this morning when I came in, the console was full of
messages like this: arp: 172.16.0.1 is on xl1 but got reply from
00:04:76:bc:0e:ec on xl0.... Any ideas?
********************************************
Scott Overfield
Network Administrator
Gratiot County Community Mental Health
989-466-4109
soverfield@gccmha.org
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From soverfield@gccmha.org Wed Feb 13 18:08:07 2002
From: soverfield@gccmha.org (Scott Overfield)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:08:07 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] Arp warnings
Message-ID: <918F8DDE7A6AD311A90900508B2CBF70297E7D@SERVER1>
The box does appear to be routing properly, I am able to access the subnet
behind it....
-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Fears [mailto:fearsb@michigan.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:08 PM
To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu; soverfield@gccmha.org
Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Arp warnings
What IP addresses/netmasks did you assign to 'xl0' and 'xl1'? The routed
deamon won't route packets if both nics are on the same subnet.
--Brad Fears
>>> Scott Overfield 02/13/02 11:46AM >>>
Good Mornong,
Yesterday I set up a dual-homed freebsd box as an internal firewall between
2 subnets on my LAN....this morning when I came in, the console was full of
messages like this: arp: 172.16.0.1 is on xl1 but got reply from
00:04:76:bc:0e:ec on xl0.... Any ideas?
********************************************
Scott Overfield
Network Administrator
Gratiot County Community Mental Health
989-466-4109
soverfield@gccmha.org
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From PMelson@sequoianet.com Wed Feb 13 18:22:57 2002
From: PMelson@sequoianet.com (Melson, Paul)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:22:57 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] Arp warnings
Message-ID: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E52CB9BE@lansingemail.seqnt.com>
If you run `arp -a` which device has the record for that IP address?
Perhaps try clearing the ARP table. Cisco makes it nice & easy (`clear arp`), but I think for BSD/Linux you've got to use something ugly like `arp -a | awk '{ print $1 }' | xargs arp -d` to avoid doing it all by hand.
PaulM
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Overfield [mailto:soverfield@gccmha.org]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 12:58 PM
To: 'Brad Fears'; Linux-User (linux-user@egr.msu.edu)
Subject: RE: [GLLUG] Arp warnings
65.x.x.x 255.255.255.224, 172.x.x.x, 255.255.255.0
-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Fears [mailto:fearsb@michigan.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:08 PM
To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu; soverfield@gccmha.org
Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Arp warnings
What IP addresses/netmasks did you assign to 'xl0' and 'xl1'? The routed
deamon won't route packets if both nics are on the same subnet.
--Brad Fears
>>> Scott Overfield 02/13/02 11:46AM >>>
Good Mornong,
Yesterday I set up a dual-homed freebsd box as an internal firewall between
2 subnets on my LAN....this morning when I came in, the console was full of
messages like this: arp: 172.16.0.1 is on xl1 but got reply from
00:04:76:bc:0e:ec on xl0.... Any ideas?
********************************************
Scott Overfield
Network Administrator
Gratiot County Community Mental Health
989-466-4109
soverfield@gccmha.org
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From soverfield@gccmha.org Wed Feb 13 18:20:07 2002
From: soverfield@gccmha.org (Scott Overfield)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:20:07 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] Arp warnings
Message-ID: <918F8DDE7A6AD311A90900508B2CBF70297E7E@SERVER1>
Arp -a -d clears the cache, done it several times....
The devices and the arp records on the corresponding subnet are
correct....(65.x.x.x on xl0, 172.x.x.x on xl1.
-----Original Message-----
From: Melson, Paul [mailto:PMelson@sequoianet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:23 PM
To: Scott Overfield; Brad Fears; linux-user@egr.msu.edu
Subject: RE: [GLLUG] Arp warnings
If you run `arp -a` which device has the record for that IP address?
Perhaps try clearing the ARP table. Cisco makes it nice & easy (`clear
arp`), but I think for BSD/Linux you've got to use something ugly like `arp
-a | awk '{ print $1 }' | xargs arp -d` to avoid doing it all by hand.
PaulM
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Overfield [mailto:soverfield@gccmha.org]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 12:58 PM
To: 'Brad Fears'; Linux-User (linux-user@egr.msu.edu)
Subject: RE: [GLLUG] Arp warnings
65.x.x.x 255.255.255.224, 172.x.x.x, 255.255.255.0
-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Fears [mailto:fearsb@michigan.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:08 PM
To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu; soverfield@gccmha.org
Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Arp warnings
What IP addresses/netmasks did you assign to 'xl0' and 'xl1'? The routed
deamon won't route packets if both nics are on the same subnet.
--Brad Fears
>>> Scott Overfield 02/13/02 11:46AM >>>
Good Mornong,
Yesterday I set up a dual-homed freebsd box as an internal firewall between
2 subnets on my LAN....this morning when I came in, the console was full of
messages like this: arp: 172.16.0.1 is on xl1 but got reply from
00:04:76:bc:0e:ec on xl0.... Any ideas?
********************************************
Scott Overfield
Network Administrator
Gratiot County Community Mental Health
989-466-4109
soverfield@gccmha.org
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From reza_beha@yahoo.com Wed Feb 13 18:37:04 2002
From: reza_beha@yahoo.com (Reza Beha)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:37:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GLLUG] Booting into text mode
Message-ID: <20020213183704.1213.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com>
When I boot into RedHat, X starts automatically. Is
there a key combination I can hit to jump into text
mode without logging in?
I ask this because every now and then my screen is
garbled and I can't see anything well enough to log in
and start a console. If I reboot once or twice, it
works fine.
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From spitzcor@cray.com Wed Feb 13 18:42:55 2002
From: spitzcor@cray.com (Cory Spitz)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:42:55 -0600
Subject: [GLLUG] Booting into text mode
In-Reply-To: <20020213183704.1213.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID:
Ctrl-Alt-1 will take you to another virtual terminal.
There are others besides 1. On Redhat you may have 6 that work. I
don't know, but 1 ought to do the trick. If you want to switch to
another virtual terminal you can do Ctrl-Alt-#.
I can't help you with the garbled display.
-Cory
On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Reza Beha wrote:
> When I boot into RedHat, X starts automatically. Is
> there a key combination I can hit to jump into text
> mode without logging in?
>
> I ask this because every now and then my screen is
> garbled and I can't see anything well enough to log in
> and start a console. If I reboot once or twice, it
> works fine.
>
>
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From PMelson@sequoianet.com Wed Feb 13 18:42:01 2002
From: PMelson@sequoianet.com (Melson, Paul)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:42:01 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] Booting into text mode
Message-ID: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E52C9D10@lansingemail.seqnt.com>
Ctrl-Alt-F1 should drop you to a login prompt on tty1. (The same thing
goes for tty2 thru tty6 using corresponding F# keys.)
PaulM
-----Original Message-----
From: Reza Beha [mailto:reza_beha@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:37 PM
To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu
Subject: [GLLUG] Booting into text mode
When I boot into RedHat, X starts automatically. Is
there a key combination I can hit to jump into text
mode without logging in?
I ask this because every now and then my screen is
garbled and I can't see anything well enough to log in
and start a console. If I reboot once or twice, it
works fine.
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From mcdouga9@egr.msu.edu Wed Feb 13 18:41:59 2002
From: mcdouga9@egr.msu.edu (Adam McDougall)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:41:59 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] Arp warnings
In-Reply-To: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E52CB9BE@lansingemail.seqnt.com>
References: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E52CB9BE@lansingemail.seqnt.com>
Message-ID: <20020213184158.GA4711@egr.msu.edu>
arp -a -d in FreeBSD will clear the arp table.
It would probably be helpful to see it first however.
Any idea what interface 00:04:76:bc:0e:ec is? It appears to be a 3com.
What is the physical layout of your network like?
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 01:22:57PM -0500, Melson, Paul wrote:
If you run `arp -a` which device has the record for that IP address?
Perhaps try clearing the ARP table. Cisco makes it nice & easy (`clear arp`), but I think for BSD/Linux you've got to use something ugly like `arp -a | awk '{ print $1 }' | xargs arp -d` to avoid doing it all by hand.
PaulM
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Overfield [mailto:soverfield@gccmha.org]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 12:58 PM
To: 'Brad Fears'; Linux-User (linux-user@egr.msu.edu)
Subject: RE: [GLLUG] Arp warnings
65.x.x.x 255.255.255.224, 172.x.x.x, 255.255.255.0
-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Fears [mailto:fearsb@michigan.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:08 PM
To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu; soverfield@gccmha.org
Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Arp warnings
What IP addresses/netmasks did you assign to 'xl0' and 'xl1'? The routed
deamon won't route packets if both nics are on the same subnet.
--Brad Fears
>>> Scott Overfield 02/13/02 11:46AM >>>
Good Mornong,
Yesterday I set up a dual-homed freebsd box as an internal firewall between
2 subnets on my LAN....this morning when I came in, the console was full of
messages like this: arp: 172.16.0.1 is on xl1 but got reply from
00:04:76:bc:0e:ec on xl0.... Any ideas?
********************************************
Scott Overfield
Network Administrator
Gratiot County Community Mental Health
989-466-4109
soverfield@gccmha.org
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From blp@cs.stanford.edu Wed Feb 13 18:43:18 2002
From: blp@cs.stanford.edu (Ben Pfaff)
Date: 13 Feb 2002 10:43:18 -0800
Subject: [GLLUG] Booting into text mode
In-Reply-To: <20020213183704.1213.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20020213183704.1213.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <87adud5ik9.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu>
Reza Beha writes:
> When I boot into RedHat, X starts automatically. Is
> there a key combination I can hit to jump into text
> mode without logging in?
Ctrl+Alt+F1
From fearsb@michigan.gov Wed Feb 13 18:45:55 2002
From: fearsb@michigan.gov (Brad Fears)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:45:55 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] Booting into text mode
Message-ID:
You could always modify the /etc/inittab file like so:
# Default runlevel. The runlevels used by RHS are:
# 0 - halt (Do NOT set initdefault to this)
# 1 - Single user mode
# 2 - Multiuser, without NFS (The same as 3, if you do not have networking)
# 3 - Full multiuser mode
# 4 - unused
# 5 - X11
# 6 - reboot (Do NOT set initdefault to this)
#
id:5:initdefault:
Change the 5 to 3, and it will boot to text mode.
--Brad Fears
>>> Reza Beha 02/13/02 01:37PM >>>
When I boot into RedHat, X starts automatically. Is
there a key combination I can hit to jump into text
mode without logging in?
I ask this because every now and then my screen is
garbled and I can't see anything well enough to log in
and start a console. If I reboot once or twice, it
works fine.
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From soverfield@gccmha.org Wed Feb 13 18:41:45 2002
From: soverfield@gccmha.org (Scott Overfield)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:41:45 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] Arp warnings
Message-ID: <918F8DDE7A6AD311A90900508B2CBF70297E81@SERVER1>
Both interfaces are 3com905.....as far as the layout of the network.....
<>--<>--<>-----<>----<>----<<3com
switch>>------<<3com hub>>-------<>-------<>
-----Original Message-----
From: Adam McDougall [mailto:mcdouga9@egr.msu.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:42 PM
To: Scott Overfield
Cc: linux-user@egr.msu.edu
Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Arp warnings
arp -a -d in FreeBSD will clear the arp table.
It would probably be helpful to see it first however.
Any idea what interface 00:04:76:bc:0e:ec is? It appears to be a 3com.
What is the physical layout of your network like?
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 01:22:57PM -0500, Melson, Paul wrote:
If you run `arp -a` which device has the record for that IP address?
Perhaps try clearing the ARP table. Cisco makes it nice & easy (`clear
arp`), but I think for BSD/Linux you've got to use something ugly like `arp
-a | awk '{ print $1 }' | xargs arp -d` to avoid doing it all by hand.
PaulM
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Overfield [mailto:soverfield@gccmha.org]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 12:58 PM
To: 'Brad Fears'; Linux-User (linux-user@egr.msu.edu)
Subject: RE: [GLLUG] Arp warnings
65.x.x.x 255.255.255.224, 172.x.x.x, 255.255.255.0
-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Fears [mailto:fearsb@michigan.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:08 PM
To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu; soverfield@gccmha.org
Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Arp warnings
What IP addresses/netmasks did you assign to 'xl0' and 'xl1'? The routed
deamon won't route packets if both nics are on the same subnet.
--Brad Fears
>>> Scott Overfield 02/13/02 11:46AM >>>
Good Mornong,
Yesterday I set up a dual-homed freebsd box as an internal firewall
between
2 subnets on my LAN....this morning when I came in, the console was full
of
messages like this: arp: 172.16.0.1 is on xl1 but got reply from
00:04:76:bc:0e:ec on xl0.... Any ideas?
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From picasso@madflower.com Wed Feb 13 17:26:00 2002
From: picasso@madflower.com (Sean)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:26:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GLLUG] Next Meeting?
In-Reply-To: <009201c1b4aa$96ae4d50$66631cac@99102dev>
Message-ID:
Now that we have a volunteer to bring in refreshments for the group, let's
say we kill all talk of a meeting this week and schedule it for wednesday
of next week at AA.
Does anyone want to do a presentation?
From Websterr@atmosphereannealing.com Wed Feb 13 21:58:35 2002
From: Websterr@atmosphereannealing.com (Roger Webster)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:58:35 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] Next Meeting?
Message-ID: <47A620D2CAB2D51195410050DA1EE2B2011F@CORP1-SRV>
A meeting would be great, but next Wednesday I have another commitment so my
building is not useable.
AAI is available any other day next week.
Roger
-----Original Message-----
From: Sean [mailto:picasso@madflower.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 12:26 PM
To: Suzanne Reiner 8423
Cc: 'Edward Glowacki'; linux-user@egr.msu.edu
Subject: RE: [GLLUG] Next Meeting?
Now that we have a volunteer to bring in refreshments for the group, let's
say we kill all talk of a meeting this week and schedule it for wednesday
of next week at AA.
Does anyone want to do a presentation?
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From c.tower@express56.com Thu Feb 14 04:08:50 2002
From: c.tower@express56.com (Chick Tower)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:08:50 -0600
Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode
References: <200202132116.g1DLG3wU021106@egr.msu.edu>
Message-ID: <014501c1b50d$9be716e0$87aa5a41@ctowerhome>
I just installed Linux for the first time this weekend, Reza, so I'm a
_real_ newbie. I have Mandrake 8.1 (which is reportedly based on Red Hat),
and it, too, immediately runs the X Window System. I want to change that,
myself. My login screen is even a GUI. Here's something I found, but I
won't be back to that PC to try it for a week or two. If you try it before
then, please report on its success or failure. Any experienced Linux users
may feel free to straighten me out if I'm on the wrong track.
One line in the file /etc/inittab specifies the default run level. The book
I have (A Practical Guide to Linux) says a value of 6 starts X Windows, but
I found some source that says it's 5 for Mandrake, which is the value in my
inittab. (I don't recall the source; perhaps a doc file, a Web site, or
comments in inittab itself.) The run level I'm going to try is 3, which is
multiuser with network support. I expect this will let me login to a text
console every time, and then I can start X Windows from the command line if
I want to use it. Perhaps the man page for init (the program that uses
inittab) will provide you with some information.
If what you really want to do is automatically start X Windows every time,
except when you get the garbled login screen, I don't think this alone will
solve your problem. For that, you could use this and then have a script
that runs after you log on that starts X Windows. I believe the command for
that is startx.
Chick
----- Original Message -----
> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:37:04 -0800 (PST)
> From: Reza Beha
> To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu
> Subject: [GLLUG] Booting into text mode
>
> When I boot into RedHat, X starts automatically. Is
> there a key combination I can hit to jump into text
> mode without logging in?
>
> I ask this because every now and then my screen is
> garbled and I can't see anything well enough to log in
> and start a console. If I reboot once or twice, it
> works fine.
From keenandr@pilot.msu.edu Thu Feb 14 05:17:04 2002
From: keenandr@pilot.msu.edu (Andrew R Keen)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 00:17:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GLLUG] Arp warnings
In-Reply-To: <918F8DDE7A6AD311A90900508B2CBF70297E77@SERVER1> from "Scott Overfield" at Feb 13, 2002 11:46:29 am
Message-ID: <200202140517.g1E5H4133516@pilot23.cl.msu.edu>
http://freebsdhowtos.com/102.html
I couldn't tell from the diagam you supplied where xl1 and xl0 are, but if
they are on the same segment (all in building two), then this message is
harmless. Use syctl as described in the link to disable it.
-ark
> > This message
is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does
not understand > this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.
>
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> Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Good Mornong,
> Yesterday I set up a dual-homed freebsd box as an internal firewall between
> 2 subnets on my LAN....this morning when I came in, the console was full of
> messages like this: arp: 172.16.0.1 is on xl1 but got reply from
> 00:04:76:bc:0e:ec on xl0.... Any ideas?
>
> ********************************************
> Scott Overfield
> Network Administrator
> Gratiot County Community Mental Health
> 989-466-4109
> soverfield@gccmha.org
>
>
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>
>
>
> charset=3Diso-8859-1">
> 5.5.2654.45">
> Arp warnings
>
>
>
>
Good Mornong,
> Yesterday I set up a dual-homed =
> freebsd box as an internal firewall between 2 subnets on my LAN....this =
> morning when I came in, the console was full of messages like this: =
> arp: 172.16.0.1 is on xl1 but got reply from 00:04:76:bc:0e:ec on =
> xl0.... Any ideas?
>
>
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From PMelson@sequoianet.com Thu Feb 14 13:23:24 2002
From: PMelson@sequoianet.com (Melson, Paul)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:23:24 -0500
Subject: FW: [GLLUG] Where is outgoing mail stored?
Message-ID: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E52C9D12@lansingemail.seqnt.com>
-----Original Message-----
From: basher584 [mailto:basher584@usol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 10:55 PM
To: Melson, Paul
Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Where is outgoing mail stored?
Exim: /var/spool/exim/input
-Ben
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 11:27:40AM -0500, Melson, Paul wrote:
> Depends on your mail server software.
>
> Sendmail: /var/spool/mqueue (or /var/mail/mqueue)
> Postfix: /var/spool/postfix/maildrop
> Qmail: /var/qmail/queue
>
> PaulM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felicia Berryman [mailto:felicia@lon-capa.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:11 AM
> To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu
> Subject: [GLLUG] Where is outgoing mail stored?
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I have a machine that was sending outgoing mail and filling up
> mailboxes. The current solution has been to unplug the ethernet. I
> would prefer to delete the outgoing mail and have the machine back on
> the network though. Does anyone know if this stored in an outbox
> similar to the /var/spool/mail/ inboxes?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Felicia
> --
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> LON-CAPA Coordinator
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> Phone: (517)432-9866
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From Websterr@atmosphereannealing.com Thu Feb 14 13:49:35 2002
From: Websterr@atmosphereannealing.com (Roger Webster)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:49:35 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] Next Meeting
Message-ID: <47A620D2CAB2D51195410050DA1EE2B20121@CORP1-SRV>
The nextOne week from tonight (Feb. 21) at 6:00pm at AAI.
If I can get a reply from those who can make it, I will have some food
available (Pizza and Soft Drinks).
Roger Webster
From picasso@madflower.com Thu Feb 14 10:17:03 2002
From: picasso@madflower.com (Sean)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 05:17:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GLLUG] Next Meeting - presentation!
In-Reply-To: <47A620D2CAB2D51195410050DA1EE2B20121@CORP1-SRV>
Message-ID:
I can make it and Ed is bringing cookies. =)
Does anyone want to do a presentation or have any suggestions?
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Roger Webster wrote:
> The nextOne week from tonight (Feb. 21) at 6:00pm at AAI.
> If I can get a reply from those who can make it, I will have some food
> available (Pizza and Soft Drinks).
>
> Roger Webster
>
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From glowack2@msu.edu Thu Feb 14 14:12:36 2002
From: glowack2@msu.edu (Edward Glowacki)
Date: 14 Feb 2002 09:12:36 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] Next Meeting - presentation!
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <1013695956.31735.3.camel@hurakan.cl.msu.edu>
On Thu, 2002-02-14 at 05:17, Sean wrote:
> I can make it and Ed is bringing cookies. =)
>
> Does anyone want to do a presentation or have any suggestions?
Ed is planning on going to the MSU vs. Minnesota basketball game that
night... =P
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From reza_beha@yahoo.com Thu Feb 14 18:06:56 2002
From: reza_beha@yahoo.com (Reza Beha)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:06:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode
In-Reply-To: <014501c1b50d$9be716e0$87aa5a41@ctowerhome>
Message-ID: <20020214180656.64677.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com>
Thanks, everyone, for all the help!
I tried Ctrl-Alt-F1 and it does the trick. From
there, my current plan is to drop to runlevel 3 to
kill any X processes, then go back into runlevel 5
(using the "telinit" command). I prefer using X
because it offers a higher-resolution shell window
than what I get in text-only mode, and it looks cool
to boot (no pun intended).
BTW, runlevel 5 is the default for starting X Windows,
and 6 is for a reboot. I believe you're right about
runlevel 3 letting you log into text mode every time.
Reza
--- Chick Tower wrote:
> I just installed Linux for the first time this
> weekend, Reza, so I'm a
> _real_ newbie. I have Mandrake 8.1 (which is
> reportedly based on Red Hat),
> and it, too, immediately runs the X Window System.
> I want to change that,
> myself. My login screen is even a GUI. Here's
> something I found, but I
> won't be back to that PC to try it for a week or
> two. If you try it before
> then, please report on its success or failure. Any
> experienced Linux users
> may feel free to straighten me out if I'm on the
> wrong track.
>
> One line in the file /etc/inittab specifies the
> default run level. The book
> I have (A Practical Guide to Linux) says a value of
> 6 starts X Windows, but
> I found some source that says it's 5 for Mandrake,
> which is the value in my
> inittab. (I don't recall the source; perhaps a doc
> file, a Web site, or
> comments in inittab itself.) The run level I'm
> going to try is 3, which is
> multiuser with network support. I expect this will
> let me login to a text
> console every time, and then I can start X Windows
> from the command line if
> I want to use it. Perhaps the man page for init
> (the program that uses
> inittab) will provide you with some information.
>
> If what you really want to do is automatically start
> X Windows every time,
> except when you get the garbled login screen, I
> don't think this alone will
> solve your problem. For that, you could use this
> and then have a script
> that runs after you log on that starts X Windows. I
> believe the command for
> that is startx.
>
> Chick
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From blp@cs.stanford.edu Thu Feb 14 18:11:22 2002
From: blp@cs.stanford.edu (Ben Pfaff)
Date: 14 Feb 2002 10:11:22 -0800
Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode
In-Reply-To: <20020214180656.64677.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20020214180656.64677.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <87bsesexx1.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu>
Reza Beha writes:
> Thanks, everyone, for all the help!
>
> I tried Ctrl-Alt-F1 and it does the trick. From
> there, my current plan is to drop to runlevel 3 to
> kill any X processes, then go back into runlevel 5
> (using the "telinit" command). I prefer using X
> because it offers a higher-resolution shell window
> than what I get in text-only mode, and it looks cool
> to boot (no pun intended).
So your system boots in runlevel 5, you switch it to runlevel 3,
then you switch it back to runlevel 5? Net effect being: zero.
What's the point?
--
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pour encourager les autres."
--Voltaire, _Candide_
From reza_beha@yahoo.com Thu Feb 14 18:14:54 2002
From: reza_beha@yahoo.com (Reza Beha)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:14:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode
In-Reply-To: <87bsesexx1.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <20020214181454.84019.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com>
Most of the time, runlevel 5 goes without a hitch.
Occasionally, the video is unreadable. At those times
it will be quicker to drop to level 3 and retry level
5 than it will be to reboot, possibly multiple times
until the video problem corrects itself.
Please let me know if you can think of a better
solution! Creativity is our friend.
--- Ben Pfaff wrote:
> Reza Beha writes:
>
> > Thanks, everyone, for all the help!
> >
> > I tried Ctrl-Alt-F1 and it does the trick. From
> > there, my current plan is to drop to runlevel 3 to
> > kill any X processes, then go back into runlevel 5
> > (using the "telinit" command). I prefer using X
> > because it offers a higher-resolution shell window
> > than what I get in text-only mode, and it looks
> cool
> > to boot (no pun intended).
>
> So your system boots in runlevel 5, you switch it to
> runlevel 3,
> then you switch it back to runlevel 5? Net effect
> being: zero.
> What's the point?
> --
> "...dans ce pays-ci il est bon de tuer de temps en
> temps un amiral
> pour encourager les autres."
> --Voltaire, _Candide_
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From reza_beha@yahoo.com Thu Feb 14 18:20:22 2002
From: reza_beha@yahoo.com (Reza Beha)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:20:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode
In-Reply-To: <877kpgexmc.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <20020214182022.68571.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com>
Yes. It never corrects the problem though. :-/
--- Ben Pfaff wrote:
> Reza Beha writes:
>
> > Most of the time, runlevel 5 goes without a hitch.
>
> > Occasionally, the video is unreadable. At those
> times
> > it will be quicker to drop to level 3 and retry
> level
> > 5 than it will be to reboot, possibly multiple
> times
> > until the video problem corrects itself.
>
> Have you tried Ctrl+Alt+Backspace?
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From picasso@madflower.com Thu Feb 14 14:37:05 2002
From: picasso@madflower.com (Sean)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:37:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode
In-Reply-To: <20020214181454.84019.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID:
Why don't you just disable X at startup, then login and start it there
with startx? then you can just kill the x-server and restart it.
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Reza Beha wrote:
> Most of the time, runlevel 5 goes without a hitch.
> Occasionally, the video is unreadable. At those times
> it will be quicker to drop to level 3 and retry level
> 5 than it will be to reboot, possibly multiple times
> until the video problem corrects itself.
>
> Please let me know if you can think of a better
> solution! Creativity is our friend.
>
> --- Ben Pfaff wrote:
> > Reza Beha writes:
> >
> > > Thanks, everyone, for all the help!
> > >
> > > I tried Ctrl-Alt-F1 and it does the trick. From
> > > there, my current plan is to drop to runlevel 3 to
> > > kill any X processes, then go back into runlevel 5
> > > (using the "telinit" command). I prefer using X
> > > because it offers a higher-resolution shell window
> > > than what I get in text-only mode, and it looks
> > cool
> > > to boot (no pun intended).
> >
> > So your system boots in runlevel 5, you switch it to
> > runlevel 3,
> > then you switch it back to runlevel 5? Net effect
> > being: zero.
> > What's the point?
> > --
> > "...dans ce pays-ci il est bon de tuer de temps en
> > temps un amiral
> > pour encourager les autres."
> > --Voltaire, _Candide_
>
>
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From reza_beha@yahoo.com Thu Feb 14 18:26:22 2002
From: reza_beha@yahoo.com (Reza Beha)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:26:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <20020214182623.62705.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com>
Does startx provide the ability to kill and restart
the x-server where going to runlevel 5 doesn't? If
so, this sounds like a good solution.
If not, I don't think it would accomplish anything
since text mode is always fine until X is started.
--- Sean wrote:
> Why don't you just disable X at startup, then login
> and start it there
> with startx? then you can just kill the x-server and
> restart it.
>
> > Most of the time, runlevel 5 goes without a hitch.
> > Occasionally, the video is unreadable. At those
> times
> > it will be quicker to drop to level 3 and retry
> level
> > 5 than it will be to reboot, possibly multiple
> times
> > until the video problem corrects itself.
> >
> > Please let me know if you can think of a better
> > solution! Creativity is our friend.
> >
> > --- Ben Pfaff wrote:
> > > Reza Beha writes:
> > >
> > > > Thanks, everyone, for all the help!
> > > >
> > > > I tried Ctrl-Alt-F1 and it does the trick.
> From
> > > > there, my current plan is to drop to runlevel
> 3 to
> > > > kill any X processes, then go back into
> runlevel 5
> > > > (using the "telinit" command). I prefer using
> X
> > > > because it offers a higher-resolution shell
> window
> > > > than what I get in text-only mode, and it
> looks
> > > cool
> > > > to boot (no pun intended).
> > >
> > > So your system boots in runlevel 5, you switch
> it to
> > > runlevel 3,
> > > then you switch it back to runlevel 5? Net
> effect
> > > being: zero.
> > > What's the point?
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From spitzcor@cray.com Thu Feb 14 18:44:25 2002
From: spitzcor@cray.com (Cory Spitz)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:44:25 -0600
Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode
In-Reply-To: <20020214182623.62705.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID:
Frankly, I don't think that killing X and restarting is a good
solution. We should be trying to help you get your X to work right
every time. Let me start by asking what video card you, what xserver,
and what version of xfree86 you are using. Not that I could help much
but it might get you started. Also, have you tried googling to see if
anyone else has your problem. There may already be a solution.
-Cory
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Reza Beha wrote:
> Does startx provide the ability to kill and restart
> the x-server where going to runlevel 5 doesn't? If
> so, this sounds like a good solution.
>
> If not, I don't think it would accomplish anything
> since text mode is always fine until X is started.
>
From reza_beha@yahoo.com Thu Feb 14 19:01:16 2002
From: reza_beha@yahoo.com (Reza Beha)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:01:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <20020214190116.91842.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com>
Unfortunately, I don't have access to my system right
now to get specific version numbers, but I'm using a
Diamond Stealth 64 (2MB) video card and RedHat 6.0
with whatever versions of X go out with 6.0 by
default.
I don't want to upgrade yet because I'm planning to do
some experimentation with security issues related to
the 2.2 kernel.
I'm using a variety of Samsung Syncmaster that isn't
in the monitor list that pops up during installation,
so I think the problem is that my monitor is not
accurately represented in the configuration files.
I don't think it's worth the effort of solving the
problem properly, since I do my software development
on an Athlon under RedHat 7.1 with a GeForce2 and
everything works fine there. Switching runlevels
should be ok for now.
Thanks anyway though!
--- Cory Spitz wrote:
>
> Frankly, I don't think that killing X and restarting
> is a good
> solution. We should be trying to help you get your
> X to work right
> every time. Let me start by asking what video card
> you, what xserver,
> and what version of xfree86 you are using. Not that
> I could help much
> but it might get you started. Also, have you tried
> googling to see if
> anyone else has your problem. There may already be
> a solution.
>
> -Cory
>
>
>
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Reza Beha wrote:
>
> > Does startx provide the ability to kill and
> restart
> > the x-server where going to runlevel 5 doesn't?
> If
> > so, this sounds like a good solution.
> >
> > If not, I don't think it would accomplish anything
> > since text mode is always fine until X is started.
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From danceswithcrows@usa.net Thu Feb 14 18:59:31 2002
From: danceswithcrows@usa.net (Matt Graham)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:59:31 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode
In-Reply-To: <20020214182623.62705.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20020214182623.62705.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200202141904.g1EJ4oi29905@groupinfo.com>
On Thursday 14 February 2002 13:26, Reza Beha wrote:
[ much snippage ]
Let's see if I can summarize:
Sometimes X's display is corrupted, but switching to a text console and
killing+restarting X fixes the problem--sometimes.
Did you ever post the make+model of the video card you're using? Do
so. Also, is this an Athlon system, and have you tried using the
"mem=nopentium" boot option? This is said to fix some problems that
can occur with AGP on Athlon boards. Which distro are you running, and
which version of X? ("xdpyinfo | grep release" gives version info for
X.)
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From picasso@madflower.com Thu Feb 14 15:34:22 2002
From: picasso@madflower.com (Sean)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:34:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode
In-Reply-To: <20020214190116.91842.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID:
I think killing the run-levels is a lot harder then just manually
launching X when you need it and killing it and restarting when it goes
wonky.
FWIW RH 6.0 was buggy, like most x.0 RH releases. 6.1 may have the
bug-fix although i didnt think the diamond stealth cards were that well
supported since diamond never gave out the tech specs in the first place.
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Reza Beha wrote:
> Unfortunately, I don't have access to my system right
> now to get specific version numbers, but I'm using a
> Diamond Stealth 64 (2MB) video card and RedHat 6.0
> with whatever versions of X go out with 6.0 by
> default.
> I don't want to upgrade yet because I'm planning to do
> some experimentation with security issues related to
> the 2.2 kernel.
>
> I'm using a variety of Samsung Syncmaster that isn't
> in the monitor list that pops up during installation,
> so I think the problem is that my monitor is not
> accurately represented in the configuration files.
>
> I don't think it's worth the effort of solving the
> problem properly, since I do my software development
> on an Athlon under RedHat 7.1 with a GeForce2 and
> everything works fine there. Switching runlevels
> should be ok for now.
>
> Thanks anyway though!
>
> --- Cory Spitz wrote:
> >
> > Frankly, I don't think that killing X and restarting
> > is a good
> > solution. We should be trying to help you get your
> > X to work right
> > every time. Let me start by asking what video card
> > you, what xserver,
> > and what version of xfree86 you are using. Not that
> > I could help much
> > but it might get you started. Also, have you tried
> > googling to see if
> > anyone else has your problem. There may already be
> > a solution.
> >
> > -Cory
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Reza Beha wrote:
> >
> > > Does startx provide the ability to kill and
> > restart
> > > the x-server where going to runlevel 5 doesn't?
> > If
> > > so, this sounds like a good solution.
> > >
> > > If not, I don't think it would accomplish anything
> > > since text mode is always fine until X is started.
>
>
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From PMelson@sequoianet.com Thu Feb 14 19:33:13 2002
From: PMelson@sequoianet.com (Melson, Paul)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:33:13 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode
Message-ID: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E52C9D17@lansingemail.seqnt.com>
At the very least, it would be worth installing the new XFree86 RPMs for
6.0:
ftp://updates.redhat.com/6.0/en/os/i386/
-rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 1279175 Sep 15 1999
XFree86-100dpi-fonts-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 7269340 Sep 15 1999
XFree86-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 955045 Sep 15 1999
XFree86-3DLabs-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 1105709 Sep 15 1999
XFree86-75dpi-fonts-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 769956 Sep 15 1999
XFree86-8514-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 848167 Sep 15 1999
XFree86-AGX-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 874574 Sep 15 1999
XFree86-FBDev-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 944974 Sep 15 1999
XFree86-I128-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 834095 Sep 15 1999
XFree86-Mach32-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 881749 Sep 15 1999
XFree86-Mach64-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 773794 Sep 15 1999
XFree86-Mach8-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 840548 Sep 15 1999
XFree86-Mono-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 855931 Sep 15 1999
XFree86-P9000-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 1048101 Sep 15 1999
XFree86-S3-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 940990 Sep 15 1999
XFree86-S3V-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 1363436 Sep 15 1999
XFree86-SVGA-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 842476 Sep 15 1999
XFree86-VGA16-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 786213 Sep 15 1999
XFree86-W32-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 193279 Sep 15 1999
XFree86-XF86Setup-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 540314 Sep 15 1999
XFree86-Xnest-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 1123518 Sep 15 1999
XFree86-Xvfb-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 322675 Sep 15 1999
XFree86-cyrillic-fonts-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 1968307 Sep 15 1999
XFree86-devel-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 9636216 Sep 15 1999
XFree86-doc-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 867673 Sep 15 1999
XFree86-libs-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 259711 Sep 15 1999
XFree86-xfs-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm
-----Original Message-----
From: Sean [mailto:picasso@madflower.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 10:34 AM
To: Reza Beha
Cc: linux-user@egr.msu.edu
Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode
I think killing the run-levels is a lot harder then just manually
launching X when you need it and killing it and restarting when it goes
wonky.
FWIW RH 6.0 was buggy, like most x.0 RH releases. 6.1 may have the
bug-fix although i didnt think the diamond stealth cards were that well
supported since diamond never gave out the tech specs in the first
place.
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Reza Beha wrote:
> Unfortunately, I don't have access to my system right
> now to get specific version numbers, but I'm using a
> Diamond Stealth 64 (2MB) video card and RedHat 6.0
> with whatever versions of X go out with 6.0 by
> default.
> I don't want to upgrade yet because I'm planning to do
> some experimentation with security issues related to
> the 2.2 kernel.
>
> I'm using a variety of Samsung Syncmaster that isn't
> in the monitor list that pops up during installation,
> so I think the problem is that my monitor is not
> accurately represented in the configuration files.
>
> I don't think it's worth the effort of solving the
> problem properly, since I do my software development
> on an Athlon under RedHat 7.1 with a GeForce2 and
> everything works fine there. Switching runlevels
> should be ok for now.
>
> Thanks anyway though!
>
> --- Cory Spitz wrote:
> >
> > Frankly, I don't think that killing X and restarting
> > is a good
> > solution. We should be trying to help you get your
> > X to work right
> > every time. Let me start by asking what video card
> > you, what xserver,
> > and what version of xfree86 you are using. Not that
> > I could help much
> > but it might get you started. Also, have you tried
> > googling to see if
> > anyone else has your problem. There may already be
> > a solution.
> >
> > -Cory
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Reza Beha wrote:
> >
> > > Does startx provide the ability to kill and
> > restart
> > > the x-server where going to runlevel 5 doesn't?
> > If
> > > so, this sounds like a good solution.
> > >
> > > If not, I don't think it would accomplish anything
> > > since text mode is always fine until X is started.
>
>
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From reza_beha@yahoo.com Thu Feb 14 19:36:19 2002
From: reza_beha@yahoo.com (Reza Beha)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:36:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode
In-Reply-To: <200202141904.g1EJ4oi29905@groupinfo.com>
Message-ID: <20020214193619.28757.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com>
The problem system is a Pentium 200MMX, and when X's
display is corrupted, rebooting sometimes fixes the
problem. I haven't had the corrupted video since I
first posted, so I don't know yet whether switching to
a text console and killing+restarting X will fix the
problem.
Stay tuned for more info when I get home tonight and
can play around with the system. :*)
--- Matt Graham wrote:
> On Thursday 14 February 2002 13:26, Reza Beha wrote:
> [ much snippage ]
>
> Let's see if I can summarize:
>
> Sometimes X's display is corrupted, but switching to
> a text console and
> killing+restarting X fixes the problem--sometimes.
>
> Did you ever post the make+model of the video card
> you're using? Do
> so. Also, is this an Athlon system, and have you
> tried using the
> "mem=nopentium" boot option? This is said to fix
> some problems that
> can occur with AGP on Athlon boards. Which distro
> are you running, and
> which version of X? ("xdpyinfo | grep release"
> gives version info for
> X.)
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From danceswithcrows@usa.net Thu Feb 14 19:36:43 2002
From: danceswithcrows@usa.net (Matt Graham)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:36:43 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <200202141941.g1EJfxi30217@groupinfo.com>
On Thursday 14 February 2002 10:34, Sean wrote:
> I think killing the run-levels is a lot harder then just manually
> launching X when you need it and killing it and restarting when it
> goes wonky.
>
> FWIW RH 6.0 was buggy, like most x.0 RH releases. 6.1 may have the
> bug-fix although i didnt think the diamond stealth cards were that
> well supported since diamond never gave out the tech specs in the
> first place.
Redhat 6.0 used X 3.3.3, which had a number of problems. X 3.3.6,
which was in Redhat 6.1, probably fixes this particular problem. X
4.1, which is in Redhat 7.1, will probably not just fix the X problems,
but would also give you a performance boost in X.
I think the Stealth cards used an S3 chipset of some sort. S3 chipsets
have never been well-supported under X, though things have improved and
are usable under the latest versions of X.
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From reza_beha@yahoo.com Thu Feb 14 19:44:34 2002
From: reza_beha@yahoo.com (Reza Beha)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:44:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode
In-Reply-To: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E52C9D17@lansingemail.seqnt.com>
Message-ID: <20020214194434.71136.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com>
Cool, I'll check that out. I'm stuck with a 56k
dialup connection right now and have to share the line
with my family, so it might be a month or two. I'm
thinking of moving back into the Oak Park apartments
in Holt. I hope phat bandwidth is available in that
area nowadays.
--- "Melson, Paul" wrote:
> At the very least, it would be worth installing the
> new XFree86 RPMs for
> 6.0:
[snippage]
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From PMelson@sequoianet.com Thu Feb 14 19:49:15 2002
From: PMelson@sequoianet.com (Melson, Paul)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:49:15 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode
Message-ID: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E52C9D18@lansingemail.seqnt.com>
No, but the S3 chipset will display VESA framebuffer modes. Anything that doesn't have GL support of one form or another is better off, IMHO, if it's used in vfb mode - both for the kernel and X display. This solves many problems like switching between graphics modes, using undocumented/unsupported monitors, and color map conflicts. That's just my opinion, but as long as you're not playing Quake or doing rendering/modeling with the machine, vfb is a good (and easy) choice.
PaulM
--- cut ---
I think the Stealth cards used an S3 chipset of some sort. S3 chipsets
have never been well-supported under X, though things have improved and
are usable under the latest versions of X.
-- paste --
From danceswithcrows@usa.net Thu Feb 14 20:19:42 2002
From: danceswithcrows@usa.net (Matt Graham)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:19:42 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode
In-Reply-To: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E52C9D18@lansingemail.seqnt.com>
References: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E52C9D18@lansingemail.seqnt.com>
Message-ID: <200202142024.g1EKOvi30567@groupinfo.com>
On Thursday 14 February 2002 14:49, Melson, Paul wrote:
> No, but the S3 chipset will display VESA framebuffer modes. Anything
> that doesn't have GL support of one form or another is better off,
> IMHO, if it's used in vfb mode - both for the kernel and X display.
I'm afraid I can't agree with that.
The main problem is that the VESA framebuffer is *unaccelerated*.
Every bit that you bang into the framebuffer has to be handled directly
by the CPU. Doing something as simple as dragging a window around in X
(when "display window contents while dragging" is on) will slow the
system to the point of unusability on a K6-2 400 with an ATi Mach64
card if you're trying to use the framebuffer. And even if you're not
doing much, your GUI will feel like it's on a tranquilizer overdose.
Nobody likes that.
> This solves many problems like switching between graphics modes,
> using undocumented/unsupported monitors, and color map conflicts.
I've never had a problem with switching between/among the "standard"
resolutions in X. Even weird homegrown things like 320x240 Doublescan
work.
As for monitors, the only things you need to know are the Hsync and
Vsync ranges, which X 4.x can detect directly from the monitor.
Fixed-freq monitors can be more of a problem, but then using really old
equipment always presents special difficulties.
I've never seen a color map conflict, since I said goodbye to 8-bit
color when my Powerbook 180c bit the dust. When video cards with 1M of
VRAM are available in the junk store for $5, there's no reason for
anyone on a desktop machine to be using 8-bit color these days.
> That's just my opinion, but as long as you're not playing Quake or
> doing rendering/modeling with the machine, vfb is a good (and easy)
> choice.
Just make sure you know what you're getting into when you choose it.
It is at best a stopgap measure while real video support is developed.
(good sigmonster!)
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From picasso@madflower.com Thu Feb 14 16:57:44 2002
From: picasso@madflower.com (Sean)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:57:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode
In-Reply-To: <200202142024.g1EKOvi30567@groupinfo.com>
Message-ID:
I have two questions. one is if downloading is a problem, I have a copy of
rh 6.1 and 6.2 somewhere that I can burn a copy if that is desired. Would
that work?
Second, I would run xfree 3.x series just because 4.x seemed doggy to me
and I have a similar machine with a similarly shitty v-card (trident 1
meg) although if they have made significant strides in the 4.x series for
the S3 I wouldnt bother with 3.x.
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Matt Graham wrote:
> On Thursday 14 February 2002 14:49, Melson, Paul wrote:
> > No, but the S3 chipset will display VESA framebuffer modes. Anything
> > that doesn't have GL support of one form or another is better off,
> > IMHO, if it's used in vfb mode - both for the kernel and X display.
>
> I'm afraid I can't agree with that.
>
> The main problem is that the VESA framebuffer is *unaccelerated*.
> Every bit that you bang into the framebuffer has to be handled directly
> by the CPU. Doing something as simple as dragging a window around in X
> (when "display window contents while dragging" is on) will slow the
> system to the point of unusability on a K6-2 400 with an ATi Mach64
> card if you're trying to use the framebuffer. And even if you're not
> doing much, your GUI will feel like it's on a tranquilizer overdose.
> Nobody likes that.
From felicia@lon-capa.org Thu Feb 14 21:07:41 2002
From: felicia@lon-capa.org (Felicia Berryman)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:07:41 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] Thanks for the help with sendmail
Message-ID: <3C6C271D.E5833693@lon-capa.org>
Hello,
Thanks to everyone who helped me out with my overloaded outbox problem.
The machine is back up and running and there are no more problems with
sendmail.
Felicia
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Michigan State University
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Phone: (517)432-9866
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From reza_beha@yahoo.com Thu Feb 14 22:28:53 2002
From: reza_beha@yahoo.com (Reza Beha)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:28:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <20020214222853.51967.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com>
Ok, thanks for the tip on xfree 3.x. You're way too
kind; I'm sure I'll do fine just killing the X server
when the video bombs since I don't really need to use
X on that machine anyway. I could always drop by the
LCC computer lab and make use of slice 'n splice to
copy the files onto a few floppies, but it isn't
really worth the effort of upgrading right now since
there are so many other exciting activities I'd rather
do first. ;-)
Maybe this attitude comes from being a programmer and
frequently having to choose between: A) fully
debugging a program and B) throwing in the towel at a
certain point and moving on to other things where my
efforts return a greater reward.
I once read that LaTeX is the only complex piece of
software that has been completely debugged, and only
because its development was frozen so that Knuth could
get back to writing his tomes of knowledge after
dedicating 10 years of his life to writing LaTeX.
--- Sean wrote:
> I have two questions. one is if downloading is a
> problem, I have a copy of
> rh 6.1 and 6.2 somewhere that I can burn a copy if
> that is desired. Would
> that work?
>
> Second, I would run xfree 3.x series just because
> 4.x seemed doggy to me
> and I have a similar machine with a similarly shitty
> v-card (trident 1
> meg) although if they have made significant strides
> in the 4.x series for
> the S3 I wouldnt bother with 3.x.
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From blp@cs.stanford.edu Thu Feb 14 23:13:59 2002
From: blp@cs.stanford.edu (Ben Pfaff)
Date: 14 Feb 2002 15:13:59 -0800
Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode
In-Reply-To: <20020214222853.51967.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20020214222853.51967.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <87r8nnejwo.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu>
Reza Beha writes:
> I once read that LaTeX is the only complex piece of
> software that has been completely debugged, and only
> because its development was frozen so that Knuth could
> get back to writing his tomes of knowledge after
> dedicating 10 years of his life to writing LaTeX.
Actually that's plain TeX, not LaTeX, which is an extension
package by Leslie Lamport et al. But I think the biggest reason
that TeX is so completely debugged is that Knuth gives out money
to people who send him bug reports :-)
There are certainly large programs without bugs. These do tend
to be the ones that were designed from the ground up with
correctness in mind. Some of them have been *proven* correct,
for that matter. The critical flight systems on aircraft tend to
fit in this category.
From picasso@madflower.com Thu Feb 14 20:10:33 2002
From: picasso@madflower.com (Sean)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:10:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode
In-Reply-To: <87r8nnejwo.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu>
Message-ID:
On 14 Feb 2002, Ben Pfaff wrote:
>
> There are certainly large programs without bugs. These do tend
> to be the ones that were designed from the ground up with
> correctness in mind. Some of them have been *proven* correct,
> for that matter. The critical flight systems on aircraft tend to
> fit in this category.
I don't think critical flight systems on aircraft tend to be that large.
Most of the time they are really small embedded programs on RTOSs and
burned to ROM. The parts are modularized as a fail safe precaution and
run on 8-16 bit processors for low energy consumption for battery
backup. They are typically stress-tested for a wide-range of environmental
conditions.
Non-critical systems would be larger.
From reza_beha@yahoo.com Fri Feb 15 01:21:59 2002
From: reza_beha@yahoo.com (Reza Beha)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:21:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode
In-Reply-To: <200202141904.g1EJ4oi29905@groupinfo.com>
Message-ID: <20020215012159.10439.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com>
Aye Ben, I also read that many of the people who found
bugs in TeX never cashed their check because it's more
valuable to have a check written by Knuth! Fame has
its benefits.
For chuckles:
Red Hat Linux release 6.0 (Hedwig)
Kernel 2.2.5-15 on an i586
$ xdpyinfo | grep release
vendor release number: 3330
--- Matt Graham wrote:
> Which distro are you running, and
> which version of X? ("xdpyinfo | grep release"
> gives version info for X.)
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From glowack2@msu.edu Fri Feb 15 12:59:46 2002
From: glowack2@msu.edu (Edward Glowacki)
Date: 15 Feb 2002 07:59:46 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] Software without bugs (was Re: Booting into text mode)
In-Reply-To: <87r8nnejwo.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu>
References: <20020214222853.51967.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com>
<87r8nnejwo.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <1013777986.38237.9.camel@hurakan.cl.msu.edu>
On Thu, 2002-02-14 at 18:13, Ben Pfaff wrote:
> There are certainly large programs without bugs. These do tend
> to be the ones that were designed from the ground up with
> correctness in mind. Some of them have been *proven* correct,
> for that matter. The critical flight systems on aircraft tend to
> fit in this category.
A very good article that fits this discussion can be found at:
http://www.fastcompany.com/online/06/writestuff.html
It's about the software that runs the Space Shuttle, the people who
write it, and the processes they use. Good reading
--
Edward Glowacki glowack2@msu.edu
GLLUG Peon http://www.gllug.org
Imagination is the one weapon in the war against reality.
-- Jules de Gaultier
From utterjef@zelda.cl.msu.edu Sat Feb 16 20:01:58 2002
From: utterjef@zelda.cl.msu.edu (Jeffrey Utter)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 15:01:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GLLUG] Dual Booting Issues..
Message-ID:
For the past week I've been trying to get my computer to dual boot Win XP
and Debian. I have had no success. Here is my setup..
2 harddrives.. a WDC 30GB, a Maxtor 40GB
I have tried multiple times and ways of installation order and on what
drives...
My current state is I have XP installed and it works (when only that drive
is pluged in), Linux is installed and works, can mount the windows
partions also, Lilo will not boot to windows...
Boot:
Linux 3 XP
Boot: XP
Error 0x01
3 is an aliase for XP.. After this point It prompts again for Linux 3 or
XP, Linux boots fine from here..
Can anyone tell me what I'm going wrong? My lilo.conf for the XP is
below,
other=/dev/hdd1
lable=XP
table = /dev/hdd
alias=3
I know that hdd1 is the windows partion because I can mount it and poke
around... BTW it's Fat32 not NTFS.
So any ideas?
Thanks
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Jeffrey Utter
Failure is not an option,
It comes bundled with your Microsoft products.
http://nova.cl.msu.edu/
From szumlins@msu.edu Sat Feb 16 22:03:01 2002
From: szumlins@msu.edu (Mike Szumlinski)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 17:03:01 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] [ot]php/javascript web devel
Message-ID:
I'm trying to write a real simple script right now that I see all the time.
It is basically the "e-mail this to a friend" link you see at the bottom of
lots of news pages and what not. The actual mail form is simple, but does
anyone know how to pull the current url (after a post method submit) into a
php variable? Is it doable with just php, or do I need javascript too?
-Mike
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|Mike Szumlinski |
|Michigan State University |
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"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit"
-Aristotle
From picasso@madflower.com Sat Feb 16 19:58:29 2002
From: picasso@madflower.com (Sean)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 14:58:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GLLUG] [ot]php/javascript web devel
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
$REQUEST_URI variable equals the current page.
The referring url variable ($HTTP_REFERER) doesnt always work.
I would probably set $REQUEST_URI == to another value and pass it unless
the referring url isnt going to be a php page.
On Sat, 16 Feb 2002, Mike Szumlinski wrote:
> I'm trying to write a real simple script right now that I see all the time.
> It is basically the "e-mail this to a friend" link you see at the bottom of
> lots of news pages and what not. The actual mail form is simple, but does
> anyone know how to pull the current url (after a post method submit) into a
> php variable? Is it doable with just php, or do I need javascript too?
>
> -Mike
> -=--===---===---===---===-=-
> |Mike Szumlinski |
> |Michigan State University |
> -=--===---===---===---===-=-
> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit"
>
> -Aristotle
>
>
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From justmanj@msu.edu Sun Feb 17 03:37:50 2002
From: justmanj@msu.edu (Jason D. Justman)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 22:37:50 -0500
Subject: [GLLUG] [ot]php/javascript web devel
References:
Message-ID: <3C6F258E.88E0A1DF@msu.edu>
If you are posting it, then why not just include a
>
or
to the posting