From karl.schuttler at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 17:02:30 2008 From: karl.schuttler at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:02:30 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] [WLUG] Squid In-Reply-To: References: <6B6C9016-21CB-493C-87D0-F47EA9F93626@tacocat.net> <20081201214315.GP1435@mcketrick.tproa.net> Message-ID: <984d708a0812011402j5e828f49g44ddc20af2563368@mail.gmail.com> I've used it to turn people's web pages upside down. On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 4:58 PM, wrote: > Heavy user, here. > > On Mon, 1 Dec 2008, Thomas Kula wrote: > >> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 07:30:31AM -0500, Tom Allison wrote: >>> >>> Anyone here a squid user? >> >> On a very limited basis, yes. >> >> > > -- > Louis Gonzales > louis.gonzales at linuxlouis.net > http://www.linuxlouis.net > -- > *** Sent from linux-users at lugwash.org *** http://www.lugwash.org > to unsubscribe: `echo "unsubscribe" | mail linux-users-request at lugwash.org` > From tad001 at sunn.net Tue Dec 2 09:35:03 2008 From: tad001 at sunn.net (Thomas Driscoll) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:35:03 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] [WLUG] Squid In-Reply-To: <984d708a0812011402j5e828f49g44ddc20af2563368@mail.gmail.com> References: <6B6C9016-21CB-493C-87D0-F47EA9F93626@tacocat.net> <20081201214315.GP1435@mcketrick.tproa.net> <984d708a0812011402j5e828f49g44ddc20af2563368@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081202143503.GE71873@sunn.net> I am currently running squid at home, and admin for our squid box here at work. I am running the same version squid-3.0.10. On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 05:02:30PM -0500, Karl Schuttler wrote: > I've used it to turn people's web pages upside down. > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 4:58 PM, wrote: > > Heavy user, here. > > > > On Mon, 1 Dec 2008, Thomas Kula wrote: > > > >> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 07:30:31AM -0500, Tom Allison wrote: > >>> > >>> Anyone here a squid user? > >> > >> On a very limited basis, yes. > >> > >> > > > > -- > > Louis Gonzales > > louis.gonzales at linuxlouis.net > > http://www.linuxlouis.net > > -- > > *** Sent from linux-users at lugwash.org *** http://www.lugwash.org > > to unsubscribe: `echo "unsubscribe" | mail linux-users-request at lugwash.org` > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -- Thomas Driscoll e-mail: tad001 at sunn.net phone:(517)944-2041 Truth is what stands the test of experience. by: Albert Einstein From clay at lazarusid.com Tue Dec 2 11:20:56 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:20:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon Beer Message-ID: The lager will come out of secondary fermentation this weekend or next (depends on when my kegs arrive). Which brings us up to the next beer, which should probably be the stout. A thought occurred to me as a way to make ourselves stand out. We could offer our best beer at a special event, say with some GLLUG-specific food like my macaroni and cheese, my wife's ponsit, or some of Jeff's venison chili. The event would need to be pretty limited, possibly by invitation only. Any interest in this? I'd definitely need some help to pull it off. My thought would be to hold it sometime before the official opening of the GLLUG room party on Saturday. Clay From karl.schuttler at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 11:22:04 2008 From: karl.schuttler at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:22:04 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon Beer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <984d708a0812020822p16e47b3fjf42dcbb5a12a7bd8@mail.gmail.com> Just don't be too loud about it; i hear liquor licenses are expensive these days. On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Clay Dowling wrote: > The lager will come out of secondary fermentation this weekend or next > (depends on when my kegs arrive). Which brings us up to the next beer, > which should probably be the stout. > > A thought occurred to me as a way to make ourselves stand out. We could > offer our best beer at a special event, say with some GLLUG-specific food > like my macaroni and cheese, my wife's ponsit, or some of Jeff's venison > chili. The event would need to be pretty limited, possibly by invitation > only. > > Any interest in this? I'd definitely need some help to pull it off. My > thought would be to hold it sometime before the official opening of the > GLLUG room party on Saturday. > > Clay > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From karl.schuttler at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 11:22:40 2008 From: karl.schuttler at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:22:40 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon Beer In-Reply-To: <984d708a0812020822p16e47b3fjf42dcbb5a12a7bd8@mail.gmail.com> References: <984d708a0812020822p16e47b3fjf42dcbb5a12a7bd8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <984d708a0812020822x3259b5c9xe148dd37effcc5e4@mail.gmail.com> Ah nvm; it's at penguincon, i see. Should have read the whole email. On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Karl Schuttler wrote: > Just don't be too loud about it; i hear liquor licenses are expensive > these days. > > On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Clay Dowling wrote: >> The lager will come out of secondary fermentation this weekend or next >> (depends on when my kegs arrive). Which brings us up to the next beer, >> which should probably be the stout. >> >> A thought occurred to me as a way to make ourselves stand out. We could >> offer our best beer at a special event, say with some GLLUG-specific food >> like my macaroni and cheese, my wife's ponsit, or some of Jeff's venison >> chili. The event would need to be pretty limited, possibly by invitation >> only. >> >> Any interest in this? I'd definitely need some help to pull it off. My >> thought would be to hold it sometime before the official opening of the >> GLLUG room party on Saturday. >> >> Clay >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> > From clay at lazarusid.com Tue Dec 2 13:18:57 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:18:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon Beer In-Reply-To: <984d708a0812020822p16e47b3fjf42dcbb5a12a7bd8@mail.gmail.com> References: <984d708a0812020822p16e47b3fjf42dcbb5a12a7bd8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Dec 2008, Karl Schuttler wrote: > Just don't be too loud about it; i hear liquor licenses are expensive > these days. I didn't figure we'd charge for something like this. More like just make it a group event to build good will at Penguicon. And once we take money out of the equation, there's no need for a liquor license. I know at least one game author/publisher there that I would like to invite, and there are probably various con guests we could bring in with offers of food and beer (I've found them to be receptive to both). Clay From frank.dolinar at comcast.net Wed Dec 3 23:44:03 2008 From: frank.dolinar at comcast.net (Frank Dolinar) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:44:03 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] WordPress Message-ID: <49376013.1060206@comcast.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20081203/7ecef07b/attachment.html From clay at lazarusid.com Thu Dec 4 10:40:43 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:40:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] WordPress In-Reply-To: <49376013.1060206@comcast.net> References: <49376013.1060206@comcast.net> Message-ID: Frank, Presumably you have wordpress installed somewhere. In that case, Wordpress should tell you the proper location to feed to scribefire. In the event that you don't have this set up, call me at 810-869-4390 and I can set you up with a hosted blog, which might make your life a lot easier. Also, the value of ScribeFire is debatable. I tried it out, but I was very unhappy with the results. I found that my blog software (Drupal) had better features than ScribeFire did. Clay On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Frank Dolinar wrote: > FireFox + ScribeFire + WordPress (or something like it) + MySQL + a > website... > and I have an easy to use blog creation mechanism. > Does anyone have a simple, straightforward checklist that tells me how to > get this all configured? > > I have FireFox with ScribeFire installed. ScribeFire looks pretty easy > to use. > But when it asks where to put things (i.e. "Where's the blog?"), I > recognize that I don't have the necessary configuration set up. > > As usual, any help much appreciated. > > -Frank > > -- > *================================================================* > * Frank Dolinar frank.dolinar at comcast.net * > * nanoSteps, LLC www.nanosteps.net * > * PO Box 886 517.351.1899 * > * East Lansing, MI 48826-0886 * > *----------------------------------------------------------------* > * Dream big, aim high, shoot for the stars... * > * and learn everything you can along the way. * > *================================================================* > > From emilio.esposito at gmail.com Tue Dec 9 09:43:41 2008 From: emilio.esposito at gmail.com (Emilio Xavier Esposito) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:43:41 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] selecting an alternative port for sshd Message-ID: Hi I want to change the port used for sshd on my Linux box. I'm curious if there are a set of preferred ports. I'm looking for a sshd port that typically won't be blocked by Comcast or a free WiFi spot. Can I just pick an used port from the iana.org Port Assignment list? Any suggestions? Thank you for your time Emilio From karl.schuttler at gmail.com Tue Dec 9 09:46:59 2008 From: karl.schuttler at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:46:59 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] selecting an alternative port for sshd In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <984d708a0812090646t4dccd4evd1f4516a61185c35@mail.gmail.com> Any high port should do. Could always use the one AIM protocol uses. On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Emilio Xavier Esposito wrote: > Hi > I want to change the port used for sshd on my Linux box. I'm curious > if there are a set of preferred ports. I'm looking for a sshd port > that typically won't be blocked by Comcast or a free WiFi spot. Can I > just pick an used port from the iana.org Port Assignment list? Any > suggestions? > > Thank you for your time > Emilio > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From tad001 at sunn.net Tue Dec 9 12:01:35 2008 From: tad001 at sunn.net (Thomas Driscoll) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:01:35 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] selecting an alternative port for sshd In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081209170134.GD89072@sunn.net> I would pick a port above 1024 (the non-reserverd ports) and use the services file in /etc/ (which is usually in most linux distros /etc) and pick a port that is not normally used. I have used 5800 and 5200 in the past. Many ISP that block connections will look for the known ports and block them like 6667 (irc), or stuff like 32000 which use to be used by Quake I think. Then you might just have to hunt and peck till you find a hole. There is a possibility that some providers will ONLY allow certain ports, if any, to create an inbound connection to their networks. You will also and to keep tabs on the potential that doing this might violate your providers "end user policy". I hope this helps. On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 09:43:41AM -0500, Emilio Xavier Esposito wrote: > Hi > I want to change the port used for sshd on my Linux box. I'm curious > if there are a set of preferred ports. I'm looking for a sshd port > that typically won't be blocked by Comcast or a free WiFi spot. Can I > just pick an used port from the iana.org Port Assignment list? Any > suggestions? > > Thank you for your time > Emilio > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -- Thomas Driscoll e-mail: tad001 at sunn.net phone:(517)944-2041 Cherish that which is within you, and shut off that which is without. by: Chuang-tzu, On Tolerance From david at ramaboo.com Wed Dec 10 01:56:38 2008 From: david at ramaboo.com (David Singer) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:56:38 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Python Book Message-ID: <80324a260812092256l4646709ax1232b787554d32e9@mail.gmail.com> I was wondering if anyone in the group (that is coming to the next meeting) had a Python book I could barrow for a week? I am writing a new site with Python + AppEngine + Django and want something to get me up to speed quickly (I have never used Python before) and I would rather stare at paper than an LCD. It should only take me a week to read the book, after that I can use the PDF version for reference. Thanks David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20081210/7192db77/attachment.html From msg at msu.edu Thu Dec 11 01:37:49 2008 From: msg at msu.edu (Mike) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:37:49 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Python Book In-Reply-To: <80324a260812092256l4646709ax1232b787554d32e9@mail.gmail.com> References: <80324a260812092256l4646709ax1232b787554d32e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4940B53D.4000904@msu.edu> There's a pretty good one at the Lansing city library (covers up to ver. 2.2). Very technical. Python in a nutshell http://opac.cadl.org/search~S15/?searchtype=X&searcharg=python+nutshell -Mike David Singer wrote: > I was wondering if anyone in the group (that is coming to the next > meeting) had a Python book I could barrow for a week? I am writing a new > site with Python + AppEngine + Django and want something to get me up to > speed quickly (I have never used Python before) and I would rather stare > at paper than an LCD. It should only take me a week to read the book, > after that I can use the PDF version for reference. > > Thanks > David > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -- telephone - 517-482-2939 cell phone - 517-599-3763 From karl.schuttler at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 01:43:37 2008 From: karl.schuttler at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:43:37 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Python Book In-Reply-To: <4940B53D.4000904@msu.edu> References: <80324a260812092256l4646709ax1232b787554d32e9@mail.gmail.com> <4940B53D.4000904@msu.edu> Message-ID: <984d708a0812102243x254814d7w42e498362c6377af@mail.gmail.com> It might be worth mentioning that python v3.0 rc3 is out, which is not backwards compatible with python 2.* and lower. There are resources to up-convert existing code, but if you intend on really digging into the language, it might be worthwhile to read anything you can specifically about 3. On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 1:37 AM, Mike wrote: > There's a pretty good one at the Lansing city library (covers up to > ver. 2.2). Very technical. > > Python in a nutshell > http://opac.cadl.org/search~S15/?searchtype=X&searcharg=python+nutshell > > -Mike > > David Singer wrote: >> I was wondering if anyone in the group (that is coming to the next >> meeting) had a Python book I could barrow for a week? I am writing a new >> site with Python + AppEngine + Django and want something to get me up to >> speed quickly (I have never used Python before) and I would rather stare >> at paper than an LCD. It should only take me a week to read the book, >> after that I can use the PDF version for reference. >> >> Thanks >> David >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > -- > telephone - 517-482-2939 > cell phone - 517-599-3763 > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From c.e.tower at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 21:57:18 2008 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:57:18 -0600 Subject: [GLLUG] Shade's Live Action Role Playing (LARP) List Message-ID: <4941D30E.1050300@gmail.com> It looks like this will be at the next Penguicon, the first weekend in May. http://www.larplist.com/prawn.php What is LARP? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LARP -- Chick From eduardo at cesconetto.com Thu Dec 11 22:08:03 2008 From: eduardo at cesconetto.com (Eduardo Cesconetto) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:08:03 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] thought you would enjoy this... In-Reply-To: <169549868491745395367813052479236212224-Webmail@me.com> References: <169549868491745395367813052479236212224-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <94DA1739-1346-4FCF-AF96-676213B5D3C4@cesconetto.com> Wow, that's the kind of idiot that is teaching America... I am afraid for my children.... Our LUG had a project(or the idea of) going to schools giving panels, I think this is the kind of situation that calls for that plan to move forward. Eduardo Cesconetto | eduardo at cesconetto.com On Dec 11, 2008, at 9:42 PM, David Camporesi wrote: > http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/242520/teacher-threatens-to-call-the-cops-over-linux.html From audiotech50 at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 23:38:06 2008 From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:38:06 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] The 40-year-old mouse Message-ID: "Celebrating the man who invented the mouse" Here's the video of that original ground-breaking event in two formats: "Douglas Engelbart: The Mother of All Demos (long version)" "Douglas Engelbart : The Mother of All Demos (1/9)" ~~ Michael Rudas My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com My blog: http://FaveSoft.blogspot.com From idealso00 at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 11:59:03 2008 From: idealso00 at gmail.com (Sc) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:59:03 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Proxy and smoothwall Message-ID: <20081212115903.36eb2732@angless> Hi its shawn from gllug. I have some questions. Do any of you use smoothwall. And squid for proxy connections. I am having a hard time with it. It keeps dropping connections and it wont let me connect to some web sites. Do any body know why this is happening.. Shawn From clay at lazarusid.com Tue Dec 16 15:58:46 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:58:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Beer Steins Message-ID: As I'm trying to plan out things for the room party, it occurred to me that something like a customized beer glass or stein would be good. I found a source for etched beer glasses that has decent prices, and I can probably get a good product locally as well (I'll have to inquire). In any event, it looks like we'd be able to pick up a glass product for $10 or less, etched with the GLLUG logo that I put on the shirts. I think this would look awesome at the room party if all the locals were drinking out of GLLUG glasses. Let me know what you think, I probably need to start putting this in motion fairly soon. Clay From clay at lazarusid.com Tue Dec 16 16:07:37 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:07:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] GLLUG Mouse Pads Message-ID: We recently found ourselves need mouse pads at my day job, so I whipped up something with a picture from our office Christmas party. While I was at it, I figured a GLLUG mouse pad wouldn't be amiss: http://www.printfection.com/dowlingshirts/GLLUG-Mousepad/_p_3361472 I don't know anything about the quality of these things, but they sure look cool. Clay From charles at bityard.net Tue Dec 16 17:38:25 2008 From: charles at bityard.net (charles at bityard.net) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:38:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Beer Steins In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52311.69.16.222.129.1229467105.squirrel@host.bityard.net> On Tue, December 16, 2008 3:58 pm, Clay Dowling wrote: > As I'm trying to plan out things for the room party, it occurred to me > that something like a customized beer glass or stein would be good. > > I found a source for etched beer glasses that has decent prices, and I can > probably get a good product locally as well (I'll have to inquire). In > any event, it looks like we'd be able to pick up a glass product for $10 > or less, etched with the GLLUG logo that I put on the shirts. > > I think this would look awesome at the room party if all the locals were > drinking out of GLLUG glasses. > > Let me know what you think, I probably need to start putting this in > motion fairly soon. My dad has like 50 beer steins in his collection and I don't think I own a single one. Guess I'd better start catching up! Charles -- http://bityard.net From marshal at freedombi.com Tue Dec 16 20:15:34 2008 From: marshal at freedombi.com (Marshal Newrock) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:15:34 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Beer Steins In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081216201534.22b632c2@osiris> On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:58:46 -0500 (EST) Clay Dowling wrote: > As I'm trying to plan out things for the room party, it occurred to > me that something like a customized beer glass or stein would be good. > > I found a source for etched beer glasses that has decent prices, and > I can probably get a good product locally as well (I'll have to > inquire). In any event, it looks like we'd be able to pick up a > glass product for $10 or less, etched with the GLLUG logo that I put > on the shirts. > > I think this would look awesome at the room party if all the locals > were drinking out of GLLUG glasses. > > Let me know what you think, I probably need to start putting this in > motion fairly soon. > > Clay Can we fit the AUP on the back? Marshal -- Marshal Newrock 517-679-0699 x223 FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20081216/b2ee63b7/attachment.bin From clay at lazarusid.com Tue Dec 16 21:26:09 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:26:09 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Beer Steins In-Reply-To: <20081216201534.22b632c2@osiris> References: <20081216201534.22b632c2@osiris> Message-ID: <49486341.7020001@lazarusid.com> Marshal Newrock wrote: > Can we fit the AUP on the back? > > Marshal > Not without needing to check in to Betty Ford. A lot of you replied to me directly, but right now it looks like people are behind this idea. I'll start sourcing this and report back with results. Clay From picasso at madflower.com Tue Dec 16 21:49:52 2008 From: picasso at madflower.com (Sean O'Malley) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:49:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Beer Steins In-Reply-To: <49486341.7020001@lazarusid.com> Message-ID: I thought of something.. Are we now promoting "free as in beer"? Could we make an art deco version of say the top 10-20 shell commands? I mean after you get to the bottom, you might need a cheat sheet. :) (actually reading them might be another story..) On Tue, 16 Dec 2008, Clay Dowling wrote: > Marshal Newrock wrote: > > Can we fit the AUP on the back? > > > > Marshal > > > Not without needing to check in to Betty Ford. > > A lot of you replied to me directly, but right now it looks like people > are behind this idea. I'll start sourcing this and report back with > results. > > Clay > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From c.e.tower at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 19:06:39 2008 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:06:39 -0600 Subject: [GLLUG] Library Meetings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <494AE58F.8070405@gmail.com> The library will be closed Christmas Day and New Year's Day, so there will be no meetings there for the next two weeks after tonight's meeting. If you want to have a meeting on New Year's Day, we'll have to come up with a different site. I renewed our use of the conference room for another six months. However, during February, the library has another group that needs a large meeting room, so we'll be meeting in the board room, which is also on the third floor but is directly across from the elevators and stairwell. It's probably twenty feet from the door to the conference room and the door to the board room, so you shouldn't have any difficulty checking either one for familiar faces. Chick From david at ramaboo.com Mon Dec 22 17:22:58 2008 From: david at ramaboo.com (David Singer) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:22:58 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] streaming music Message-ID: <80324a260812221422r15737bb1w6c2abb7b800fd280@mail.gmail.com> I have all of my music (about 150GB) on a P3/512MB Ubuntu Server 8.04 box in the other room. I typically work on my Laptop Core 2 Duo/4GB Ubuntu 8.04 (either 100Mbit or Wireless). I was wondering if anyone knew a good solution for playing my music off my P3 Server on my Laptop. I have tried samba mounting my music folder with the following script: #!/bin/sh smbmount //192.168.43.41/music/ /home/david/Music/ -o username=david,password=mypassword (192.168.43.41 is my P3 server) This works to access my music (a mix of mp3/flac) but it skips when I play it with VLC/Songbird/every other media player iv tired. I can of course copy some of it to my files to my local disk and play it fine from there but this a huge pain and i would really like to be able to use Songbird to create play lists / organise my files. I was hopping someone might have found a good solution for remotly playing music (preferably with Songbird). I googled a bit with no success. Optionaly i would like something that would work with Movies as well but i could live without this. Some sort of ACL would be nice as well since there are other poeple on my network i would like to give read (but not write) access to. Thanks -David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20081222/38559100/attachment.html From clay at lazarusid.com Mon Dec 22 19:31:30 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 19:31:30 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] streaming music In-Reply-To: <80324a260812221422r15737bb1w6c2abb7b800fd280@mail.gmail.com> References: <80324a260812221422r15737bb1w6c2abb7b800fd280@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49503162.1050803@lazarusid.com> David Singer wrote: > I was hopping someone might have found a good solution for remotly > playing music (preferably with Songbird). I googled a bit with no > success. Optionaly i would like something that would work with Movies as > well but i could live without this. Some sort of ACL would be nice as > well since there are other poeple on my network i would like to give > read (but not write) access to. I'm not sure that it will work, but have you considered something like shoutcast, or one of the compatible servers? Clay From charles at bityard.net Tue Dec 23 01:28:27 2008 From: charles at bityard.net (Charles) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:28:27 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] streaming music In-Reply-To: <80324a260812221422r15737bb1w6c2abb7b800fd280@mail.gmail.com> References: <80324a260812221422r15737bb1w6c2abb7b800fd280@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4950850B.8050200@bityard.net> David Singer wrote: > I have all of my music (about 150GB) on a P3/512MB Ubuntu Server 8.04 > box in the other room. I typically work on my Laptop Core 2 Duo/4GB > Ubuntu 8.04 (either 100Mbit or Wireless). I was wondering if anyone knew > a good solution for playing my music off my P3 Server on my Laptop. I > have tried samba mounting my music folder with the following script: > > #!/bin/sh > smbmount //192.168.43.41/music/ > /home/david/Music/ -o username=david,password=mypassword (192.168.43.41 > is my P3 server) > > This works to access my music (a mix of mp3/flac) but it skips when I > play it with VLC/Songbird/every other media player iv tired. I can of > course copy some of it to my files to my local disk and play it fine > from there but this a huge pain and i would really like to be able to > use Songbird to create play lists / organise my files. > > I was hopping someone might have found a good solution for remotly > playing music (preferably with Songbird). I googled a bit with no > success. Optionaly i would like something that would work with Movies as > well but i could live without this. Some sort of ACL would be nice as > well since there are other poeple on my network i would like to give > read (but not write) access to. A couple of suggestions... 1. Check your media player settings and see if there are any options for buffer size. If so, increase them. Bear in mind that a samba share mounted with smbmount is going to be seen by the application as a local disk, not a network resource. I don't know whether songbird has settings for this, but I'd be surprised if VLC didn't. 2. Edit smb.conf on the server and set the "socket options" parameter, particularly the SO_RCVBUF and SO_SNDBUF options. I don't know what the defaults are, but almost everyone sets these to 8192 or higher. You may have to do some tweaking to find the best options for you. See the smb.conf man page for more info. Here's mine: socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 3. See if there's something on your network you can optimize. Maybe one of your ethernet ports somewhere failed to autonegotiate and got stuck at 10Mbps half-duplex. You can use ethtool or mii-tool to check for that. What's your average speed when pulling down a huge file? I have an Athlon 750MHz as my Samba server and get at least 7MB/sec. 4. Look into some other streaming solution. MPD (Music Player Daemon) is one option, but I've heard that it can be temperamental at best. VLC is supposed to do streaming to and fro. Ampache is some kind of web-based streaming audio thing that I've always wanted to try but haven't gotten around to. Charles -- http://bityard.net From rick at divinesymphony.net Tue Dec 23 01:59:13 2008 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:59:13 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] streaming music In-Reply-To: <80324a260812221422r15737bb1w6c2abb7b800fd280@mail.gmail.com> References: <80324a260812221422r15737bb1w6c2abb7b800fd280@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: My current machines are faster, but I regularly stream/burn two+ ISO images over gigabit ethernet without any performance problems. I also watch DVD movies without stuttering the same way. Even for a P2/P3, you shouldn't have trouble with audio. Have you monitored the stats on both ends while the stuttering happens? You might be running something like compression or encryption that could tax the CPU. Alternatively, you could try NFS (or preferably NFS4, although I just made the switch myself). Also, are you running a kernel with the preemptive options enabled? If not, then you should be for this type of work. 2008/12/22 David Singer > I have all of my music (about 150GB) on a P3/512MB Ubuntu Server 8.04 box > in the other room. I typically work on my Laptop Core 2 Duo/4GB Ubuntu 8.04 > (either 100Mbit or Wireless). I was wondering if anyone knew a good solution > for playing my music off my P3 Server on my Laptop. I have tried samba > mounting my music folder with the following script: > > #!/bin/sh > smbmount //192.168.43.41/music/ /home/david/Music/ -o > username=david,password=mypassword (192.168.43.41 is my P3 server) > > This works to access my music (a mix of mp3/flac) but it skips when I play > it with VLC/Songbird/every other media player iv tired. I can of course copy > some of it to my files to my local disk and play it fine from there but this > a huge pain and i would really like to be able to use Songbird to create > play lists / organise my files. > > I was hopping someone might have found a good solution for remotly playing > music (preferably with Songbird). I googled a bit with no success. Optionaly > i would like something that would work with Movies as well but i could live > without this. Some sort of ACL would be nice as well since there are other > poeple on my network i would like to give read (but not write) access to. > > Thanks > -David > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20081223/0c82d4fa/attachment.html From tad001 at sunn.net Tue Dec 23 11:45:44 2008 From: tad001 at sunn.net (Thomas Driscoll) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:45:44 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] streaming music In-Reply-To: <80324a260812221422r15737bb1w6c2abb7b800fd280@mail.gmail.com> References: <80324a260812221422r15737bb1w6c2abb7b800fd280@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081223164544.GB97884@sunn.net> Just a thought I have a filer running FreeBSD on a: CPU: Pentium II/Pentium II Xeon/Celeron (265.54-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x633 Stepping = 3 Features=0x80fbff real memory = 67108864 (64 MB) avail memory = 56033280 (53 MB) I use NFS and just export out my music directory and then mount it on other workstations. I have used Rhythmbox, Audacity, XMMS, ect to play the music off this share with out any problems. I also store mp4 videos off that as well and they play fine. I use Samba as I still have one computer running Micro$oft OS and I read out of that same directory. So basically I just do "mount 192.168.1.10:/usr/home/music /mnt/music" The only gotchas to be aware of are the UIDs and GUIDs I have made sure all mine are the same across all my machines. I hope this helps :) On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 05:22:58PM -0500, David Singer wrote: > I have all of my music (about 150GB) on a P3/512MB Ubuntu Server 8.04 box > in the other room. I typically work on my Laptop Core 2 Duo/4GB Ubuntu > 8.04 (either 100Mbit or Wireless). I was wondering if anyone knew a good > solution for playing my music off my P3 Server on my Laptop. I have tried > samba mounting my music folder with the following script: > > #!/bin/sh > smbmount //[1]192.168.43.41/music/ /home/david/Music/ -o > username=david,password=mypassword (192.168.43.41 is my P3 server) > > This works to access my music (a mix of mp3/flac) but it skips when I play > it with VLC/Songbird/every other media player iv tired. I can of course > copy some of it to my files to my local disk and play it fine from there > but this a huge pain and i would really like to be able to use Songbird to > create play lists / organise my files. > > I was hopping someone might have found a good solution for remotly playing > music (preferably with Songbird). I googled a bit with no success. > Optionaly i would like something that would work with Movies as well but i > could live without this. Some sort of ACL would be nice as well since > there are other poeple on my network i would like to give read (but not > write) access to. > > Thanks > -David > > References > > Visible links > 1. http://192.168.43.41/music/ > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -- Thomas Driscoll e-mail: tad001 at sunn.net phone:(517)944-2041 All is in flux, nothing stays still. by: Heraclitus From simple.solutions at comcast.net Tue Dec 23 19:57:11 2008 From: simple.solutions at comcast.net (Peter Christenson) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:57:11 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] streaming music Message-ID: <20081224005714.629A171EDB8@mx.egr.msu.edu> Look into a DLNA UPnP server and renderer app. I have a mixed MS/Linux network and I'm able to serve off of, and stream to eveything. Included standalone renderers. You have to check your security settings but it has made my life a lot simpler. Plus I have converted all my kids movies to divx/xvid, so now my 4year old never touches the disks! Try MediaTomb as a starting point for a server. best regards Peter. -----Original Message----- From: "David Singer" To: "GLLUG LUG" Sent: 12/22/08 17:22 Subject: [GLLUG] streaming music I have all of my music (about 150GB) on a P3/512MB Ubuntu Server 8.04 box in the other room. I typically work on my Laptop Core 2 Duo/4GB Ubuntu 8.04 (either 100Mbit or Wireless). I was wondering if anyone knew a good solution for playing my music off my P3 Server on my Laptop. I have tried samba mounting my music folder with the following script: #!/bin/sh smbmount //192.168.43.41/music/ /home/david/Music/ -o username=david,password=mypassword (192.168.43.41 is my P3 server) This works to access my music (a mix of mp3/flac) but it skips when I play it with VLC/Songbird/every other media player iv tired. I can of course copy some of it to my files to my local disk and play it fine from there but this a huge pain and i would really like to be able to use Songbird to create play lists / organise my files. I was hopping someone might have found a good solution for remotly playing music (preferably with Songbird). I googled a bit with no success. Optionaly i would like something that would work with Movies as well but i could live without this. Some sort of ACL would be nice as well since there are other poeple on my network i would like to give read (but not write) access to. Thanks -David From rexykik at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 22:37:06 2008 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:37:06 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] streaming music In-Reply-To: <984d708a0812231936s55a0081et51f1b450b3d41d22@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081224005714.629A171EDB8@mx.egr.msu.edu> <984d708a0812231936s55a0081et51f1b450b3d41d22@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <984d708a0812231937x7ebcc9d9lb30c3c73336e46b3@mail.gmail.com> I would suggest against touching anything UPnP if you like having control over your network. UPnP is giving applications the ability to dynamically change your firewall rules. Bad idea. > >>DLNA UPnP server > >>and renderer app. I have a mixed MS/Linux network and I'm able to serve off of, and stream to eveything. Included standalone renderers. >> >> You have to check your security settings but it has made my life a lot simpler. Plus I have converted all my kids movies to divx/xvid, so now my 4year old never touches the disks! >> >> Try MediaTomb as a starting point for a server. >> >> best >> regards >> Peter. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "David Singer" >> To: "GLLUG LUG" >> Sent: 12/22/08 17:22 >> Subject: [GLLUG] streaming music >> >> I have all of my music (about 150GB) on a P3/512MB Ubuntu Server 8.04 box in >> the other room. I typically work on my Laptop Core 2 Duo/4GB Ubuntu 8.04 >> (either 100Mbit or Wireless). I was wondering if anyone knew a good solution >> for playing my music off my P3 Server on my Laptop. I have tried samba >> mounting my music folder with the following script: >> >> #!/bin/sh >> smbmount //192.168.43.41/music/ /home/david/Music/ -o >> username=david,password=mypassword (192.168.43.41 is my P3 server) >> >> This works to access my music (a mix of mp3/flac) but it skips when I play >> it with VLC/Songbird/every other media player iv tired. I can of course copy >> some of it to my files to my local disk and play it fine from there but this >> a huge pain and i would really like to be able to use Songbird to create >> play lists / organise my files. >> >> I was hopping someone might have found a good solution for remotly playing >> music (preferably with Songbird). I googled a bit with no success. Optionaly >> i would like something that would work with Movies as well but i could live >> without this. Some sort of ACL would be nice as well since there are other >> poeple on my network i would like to give read (but not write) access to. >> >> Thanks >> -David >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> > From athpell at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 20:52:30 2008 From: athpell at gmail.com (Athanasius Pelletier) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:52:30 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Blessed Christmas! Message-ID: A blessed Christmas to everyone; esp. to the nice folks I have met at the (defunct or is it just me?) Flint LUG. God bless everyone and have a safe and happy Christmas and New Year. Br. Athanasius From george at idealso.com Wed Dec 31 11:46:24 2008 From: george at idealso.com (Michael George) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:46:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Anyone with experience with Macs and AirPort Extreme? In-Reply-To: References: <60134.74.204.24.74.1213642984.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> <100a43e48c7a5bf5a03ddb7d5717b4be.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> Message-ID: <2dde0ad7975e4f0d8d9e0e22340c5787.squirrel@mail.idealso.com> In case anyone had interest in this topic, I thought I would let the list know that the latest OS update for OS X.5 fixed the problem. The Mini now stays happily connected to my Linksys WRT54GL running x-wrt (OpenWRT). On Mon, July 7, 2008 9:24 pm, Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: > Again, you are setting yourself for failure. The WRT54GL is buggy, > even worse when used with DDWRT. > Give up and get a descent router. My recomendation is an Airport > Extreme, but if you'd like to save some cash, get a cheap Netgear N > router... > > On Jul 7, 2008, at 4:01 PM, Michael George wrote: > >> Well, for anyone who cares about this thread, the "fix" didn't. It >> helped >> a bit, but the connection would just drop without reason. We moved >> the >> computer to the other side of the room to hopefully get better >> reception, >> but it is still unreliable at best. >> >> We could sit there with a fill signal indicated and start browsing >> and the >> signal would drop to nothing and get dropped. It might not >> reconnect for >> hours, no matter what I did. Sometimes I'd come home from work and my >> wife would be mad that she couldn't get on all day and I'll wake it >> up and >> it'll have full strength signal and stay like that for hours. >> >> The iBook, on the other hand (with an original airport card) will >> connect >> readily from anywhere in the house and maintain that awesome >> signal. So >> it's not interference or a flakey WAP. The only thing it *could* be >> is >> that 802.11b is more reliable than the 802.11g. >> >> So, I've given up. Newegg has a special on Linksys WRT54GL routers >> (free >> shipping, $50, and a $10 rebate on top of that) so I'm just getting >> another one. I'll put that one in place to see if that might be the >> issue, but I doubt it is. After that test, I'll use one of them as >> the >> WAP and router and the other as a bridge. It's $10 more than trying >> an >> 802.11 USB key, but it also gives me a second router on hand in case >> the >> primary should fail and another unit to use for firmware updates. >> >> On Mon, June 16, 2008 3:03 pm, Michael George wrote: >>> Tried turning off the authentication. Didn't help. >>> >>> I found a fix, though! In reading and reading and reading, I saw a >>> reference to how some people "fixed" the problem by activating and >>> then >>> deactivating IPv6. I figured it was worth a try... and it did! >>> >>> On Mon, June 16, 2008 2:53 pm, Sean O'Malley wrote: >>>> My bad. I read what you said incorrectly about the intermittant >>>> connections. :) >>>> >>>> From what I just read it appears it is an authentication/ >>>> authorization >>>> issue and there are firmware upgrades from linksys.. dd-wrt probably >>>> hasnt >>>> fixed it yet. >>>> >>>> If you turn off auth on the router, it supposedly works. >>>> >>>> *shrugs* >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Michael George wrote: >>>> >>>>> The GL has more RAM than the current G's do, not less. >>>>> >>>>> I haven't had *any* problems at all with 10.4, only with 10.5. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, June 16, 2008 11:43 am, Sean O'Malley wrote: >>>>>> Im cheap I guess. I would try changing the firmware on the router >>>>> first. >>>>>> >>>>>> Weren't those the routers that had like 1/2 as much ram as the G >>>>> series >>>>>> and a few other shortcuts to drop the price? >>>>>> >>>>>> I am just thinking if you are trying to squeeze a gui and >>>>>> software on >>>>> a >>>>>> smaller space, you might actually drop a few things along the way >>>>> just >>>>> to >>>>>> squeeze it on. >>>>>> >>>>>> The fact it doesnt really work with 10.4 (it is flaky) and it >>>>>> doesnt >>>>> work >>>>>> at all with 10.5 and other people are just having flaky issues >>>>>> with >>>>> 10.5, >>>>>> leads me to think something else might be wrong. I would triple >>>>>> check >>>>> my >>>>>> configs and make sure im running the latest known to work >>>>>> version of >>>>> the >>>>>> firmware. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have also heard of numerous issues with dd-wrt and people have >>>>> switched >>>>>> to openwrt. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Michael George wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> That is actually what I'm leaning towards. I just hadn't looked >>>>> into >>>>>>> which ones were compatible with 10.5 yet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, June 16, 2008 7:33 am, Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: >>>>>>>> another solution is to use a USB wireless adapter, Blekin and >>>>> DLink >>>>>>>> both make Mac compatible a/b/g cards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 15, 2008, at 9:31 PM, Michael George wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well, what I found is that there are a lot of networking >>>>>>>>> problems >>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> 10.5. Most of what I found had to do with extremely poor >>>>> performance >>>>>>>>> and continuously dropped connections. One post in particular >>>>> said >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> the Airport Extreme devices were no longer playing well with >>>>> Cicso >>>>>>>>> WAPs. >>>>>>>>> Whether the "cisco problem" extends into their Linksys >>>>>>>>> acquisitions, I >>>>>>>>> do not know. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My router is working fine, and I don't have any plans to change >>>>> it. >>>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>>> I had a greater need for the Mini to work I might try >>>>>>>>> OpenWRT, or >>>>>>> even >>>>>>>>> go back to the Linksys Firmware for the WRT54G... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Given that the 10.4 systems and WinXP were no-effort >>>>>>>>> connections, >>>>> I >>>>>>> am >>>>>>>>> inclined to blame Apple and I am hoping that a future update >>>>> might >>>>>>>>> resolve the issue. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Karl Schuttler wrote: >>>>>>>>>> It might be worthwhile to see if the problem exists in >>>>>>>>>> OpenWRT, >>>>>>>>>> another linux firmware for the WRT line. OpenWRT isn't tough, >>>>>>>>>> especially if you've done any networking in linux, but it is >>>>> mostly >>>>>>>>>> command line (no web gui out of the box). It may be the >>>>>>>>>> easiest >>>>>>>>>> migration to make it work, if you find that others aren't >>>>> running >>>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>>> this issue. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Michael George >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, those bastards. This is not an isolated dd-wrt issue, >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>> happening to many people with the Airport Extreme devices >>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>> 10.5. >>>>>>>>>>> It was a problem at 10.5.1 (but not under 10.4) and still is >>>>> now. >>>>>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>>>>> aren't giving it attention because they made it work with >>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>> WAPs. >>>>>>>>>>> If it doesn't work with Ciscos, they don't seem to care. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have connected my iBook (10.4) with no hesitation. I have >>>>>>>>>>> connected >>>>>>>>>>> Windows XP with no problem. The software running in dd-wrt >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>> wide use and I'm sure if there were problems with it meeting >>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> standards of 802.11b/g, they would get fixed. However, Apple >>>>>>>>>>> adopted an >>>>>>>>>>> unfinished (beta) spec (802.11n) and put it into production >>>>>>>>>>> hardware. >>>>>>>>>>> Internal to the computer, no less. When it isn't backwards >>>>>>>>>>> compatible >>>>>>>>>>> their best answer (not that they gave one) is "spend several >>>>>>>>>>> hundred $$ >>>>>>>>>>> and get one of *our* WAPs". >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If you think dd-wrt is such junk, then why don't you download >>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> latest >>>>>>>>>>> linksys firmware and install it on your router? When you do, >>>>>>> please >>>>>>>>>>> tell me if your problem goes away... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Those bastards? I blame your crappy Open Source driven >>>>>>>>>>>> router, >>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>> the same issue with my WRT54GL w/ DD-WRT is junk too... You >>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>> what u >>>>>>>>>>>> pay for... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 14, 2008, at 9:20 PM, Michael George wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, no go on either of these. I can set up an ad-hoc >>>>> network >>>>>>>>>>>>> with my >>>>>>>>>>>>> iBook and an original AirPort card (802.11b?), but it keeps >>>>>>>>>>>>> getting >>>>>>>>>>>>> connection timeouts to the Linksys/dd-wrt WAP. I am not >>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>>> to spend >>>>>>>>>>>>> $300 for a Apple WAP to connect this thing. Those bastards >>>>> make >>>>>>>>>>>>> incompatible hard/firmware and expect me to spend more $$ >>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>> them? No >>>>>>>>>>>>> way. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sean O'Malley wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesnt really seem to be a related issue, but the early >>>>> 2006 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> minis >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a firmware update for them. It is called >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Mac mini early 2006 SMC Firmware >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A more related fix would be: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=4993837 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alright, so we know that after updated to 10.5.2 people >>>>>>>>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>>> having >>>>>>>>>>>>>> trouble with Airport. I was one of them, and I figured it >>>>> out. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> what I did: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Navigate to Library\Preferences\SystemConfiguration >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Locate com.apple.airport.preferences.plist >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Drag it to trash >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Hit the spotlight, type in "Keychain Access" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a) Remove all passwords to every network >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *now I don't know if that's necessary, but I did it, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked* >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Restart Leopard >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. Connect to a network and you should be problem free >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> By deleting com.apple.airport.preferences.plist and >>>>> restarting >>>>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>>>> system, you are allowing Leopard to create the new 10.5.2 >>>>> file. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> My theory is, is that the two conflicted with each other >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> copied properly, and thats why some people had the problem >>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my guess is you just need to axe the password to the >>>>> airport. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That at least lets you start the config from scratch. :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sean >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> -M >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> There are 10 kinds of people in this world: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> -M >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There are 10 kinds of people in this world: >>>>>>>>>>> Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> -M >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There are 10 kinds of people in this world: >>>>>>>>> Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Michael George >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Michael George >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -Michael George >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -Michael George >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -Michael George