From eduardo at cesconetto.com Tue Jul 1 08:50:31 2008 From: eduardo at cesconetto.com (Eduardo Cesconetto) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 08:50:31 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Ideal Solutions / ACD.net In-Reply-To: <48699DE4.4050701@gmail.com> References: <48641F20.6060409@msu.edu> <48659A0A.5040404@divinesymphony.net> <8e690af80806271942x31bb5ec5jc8fc3aebab891a38@mail.gmail.com> <4865ACA7.7010509@divinesymphony.net> <549C4D03-6961-4E42-96B4-7F79FFF927DB@cesconetto.com> <48699DE4.4050701@gmail.com> Message-ID: <645C1676-4AB5-4D73-AF9E-CE4F44F846B7@cesconetto.com> Yes, they do. On Jun 30, 2008, at 11:00 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > Do they have wireless? > > Chick > > > Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: >> I got the solution: >> I spoke to the owner of Bell's Pizza (both Grand River and MAC >> Ave.) and he has no problem hosting our group every Thursday. >> Good food and great location, just across the MSU campus. >> you guys wanna vote on this? > > From ozugo at yahoo.com Wed Jul 2 09:47:18 2008 From: ozugo at yahoo.com (ZuG) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 06:47:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GLLUG] Apache crashing? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <947363.86791.qm@web53912.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hey guys, I'm having trouble with my apache 2.2.3 system. Installed ffmpeg, ffmpeg-php, flvtool2, and menconder to run dolphin CMS system. Now, apache is crashing randomly, perhaps 2 times a week. I turned the apache logging up fully to try to track it down, and the apache logs just don?t show anything out of the ordinary. Everything is working fine, and then nothing. Do I get to play the "uninstall stuff until it stops" game, or is there a better suggestion as to how to track this down? I'm pretty new to troubleshooting apache, though I know my way around the machine pretty well. Erica From rsmith1916 at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 12:34:53 2008 From: rsmith1916 at gmail.com (Ross Smith) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:34:53 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Apache crashing? In-Reply-To: <947363.86791.qm@web53912.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <947363.86791.qm@web53912.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 9:47 AM, ZuG wrote: > Hey guys, > > I'm having trouble with my apache 2.2.3 system. Installed ffmpeg, > ffmpeg-php, flvtool2, and menconder to run dolphin CMS system. > > Now, apache is crashing randomly, perhaps 2 times a week. I turned the > apache logging up fully to try to track it down, and the apache logs just > don?t show anything out of the ordinary. Everything is working fine, and > then nothing. > > Do I get to play the "uninstall stuff until it stops" game, or is there a > better suggestion as to how to track this down? I'm pretty new to > troubleshooting apache, though I know my way around the machine pretty well. > > > Erica Any chance you could post the apache and/or messages log file contents for the time around when the crash occurs? There may be something obscure that an extra pair of eyes might help to find. Also, is anything else crashing or just apache? There is a good chance uninstalling ffmpeg and the other programs won't help your case. If anything, I would suggest re-installing Apache if you take that route. Really though, that's a last route. Try changing some settings within apache such as the increasing the 'MaxRequestPerChild' and 'ThreadsPerChild' counts. It could be as simple as a memory issue (hopefully). -- Ross -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20080702/ac98c597/attachment.html From ozugo at yahoo.com Wed Jul 2 12:50:01 2008 From: ozugo at yahoo.com (ZuG) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GLLUG] Apache crashing? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <993030.6721.qm@web53908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Sure, here's the apache error.log. Not very interesting. The crash, according to our network monitor script, happened about 3:30. Also, the problem probably isn't ssl because I have another server crashing that doesn't have it installed. [Tue Jul 01 15:48:36 2008] [debug] ssl_engine_kernel.c(1789): OpenSSL: Exit: error in SSLv2/v3 read client hello A [Tue Jul 01 15:48:36 2008] [info] [client 69.89.98.133] SSL handshake failed: HTTP spoken on HTTPS port; trying to send HTML error page [Tue Jul 01 15:48:36 2008] [info] SSL Library Error: 336027804 error:1407609C:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_CLIENT_HELLO:http request speaking HTTP to HTTPS port!? [Tue Jul 01 23:23:59 2008] [error] [client 60.172.219.2] File does not exist: /var/www/sharedip/myproxies [Wed Jul 02 03:30:03 2008] [notice] Graceful restart requested, doing restart <-- this is our network monitoring process trying to restart the server, it failed at about this time. [Wed Jul 02 03:30:03 2008] [error] (9)Bad file descriptor: apr_socket_accept: (client socket) [Wed Jul 02 03:30:03 2008] [error] (9)Bad file descriptor: apr_socket_accept: (client socket) [Wed Jul 02 03:30:03 2008] [error] (9)Bad file descriptor: apr_socket_accept: (client socket) [Wed Jul 02 03:30:03 2008] [error] (9)Bad file descriptor: apr_socket_accept: (client socket) [Wed Jul 02 03:30:03 2008] [error] (9)Bad file descriptor: apr_socket_accept: (client socket) /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/php5/extensions/ffmpeg.so: undefined symbol: av_free_static [Wed Jul 02 03:30:04 2008] [info] mod_fcgid: Process manager 10854 stopped [Wed Jul 02 09:34:48 2008] [info] Init: Seeding PRNG with 136 bytes of entropy [Wed Jul 02 09:34:48 2008] [info] Loading certificate & private key of SSL-aware server [Wed Jul 02 09:34:48 2008] [debug] ssl_engine_pphrase.c(469): unencrypted RSA private key - pass phrase not required [Wed Jul 02 09:34:48 2008] [info] Init: Generating temporary RSA private keys (512/1024 bits) [Wed Jul 02 09:34:48 2008] [info] Init: Generating temporary DH parameters (512/1024 bits) [Wed Jul 02 09:34:48 2008] [info] Init: Initializing (virtual) servers for SSL [Wed Jul 02 09:34:48 2008] [info] Configuring server for SSL protocol --- On Wed, 7/2/08, Ross Smith wrote: > From: Ross Smith > Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Apache crashing? > To: ozugo at yahoo.com > Cc: linux-user at egr.msu.edu > Date: Wednesday, July 2, 2008, 12:34 PM > On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 9:47 AM, ZuG > wrote: > > > Hey guys, > > > > I'm having trouble with my apache 2.2.3 system. > Installed ffmpeg, > > ffmpeg-php, flvtool2, and menconder to run dolphin CMS > system. > > > > Now, apache is crashing randomly, perhaps 2 times a > week. I turned the > > apache logging up fully to try to track it down, and > the apache logs just > > don?t show anything out of the ordinary. Everything > is working fine, and > > then nothing. > > > > Do I get to play the "uninstall stuff until it > stops" game, or is there a > > better suggestion as to how to track this down? > I'm pretty new to > > troubleshooting apache, though I know my way around > the machine pretty well. > > > > > > Erica > > > Any chance you could post the apache and/or messages log > file contents for > the time around when the crash occurs? There may be > something obscure that > an extra pair of eyes might help to find. Also, is > anything else crashing > or just apache? There is a good chance uninstalling ffmpeg > and the other > programs won't help your case. If anything, I would > suggest re-installing > Apache if you take that route. Really though, that's a > last route. Try > changing some settings within apache such as the increasing > the > 'MaxRequestPerChild' and 'ThreadsPerChild' > counts. It could be as simple as > a memory issue (hopefully). > > -- Ross From rsmith1916 at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 13:01:46 2008 From: rsmith1916 at gmail.com (Ross Smith) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 13:01:46 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Apache crashing? In-Reply-To: <993030.6721.qm@web53908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <993030.6721.qm@web53908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My only suggestion, other than increasing certain counts, is try doing a full stop and start instead of a graceful restart. There was a bug not too long ago that caused the 'Bad file descriptor: apr_socket_accept:' output to the log file when a graceful restart, which when occurring, caused a lot of headaches for people trying to keep Apache up. -- Ross On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 12:50 PM, ZuG wrote: > Sure, here's the apache error.log. Not very interesting. The crash, > according to our network monitor script, happened about 3:30. > > Also, the problem probably isn't ssl because I have another server crashing > that doesn't have it installed. > > [Tue Jul 01 15:48:36 2008] [debug] ssl_engine_kernel.c(1789): OpenSSL: > Exit: error in SSLv2/v3 read client hello A > [Tue Jul 01 15:48:36 2008] [info] [client 69.89.98.133] SSL handshake > failed: HTTP spoken on HTTPS port; trying to send HTML error page > [Tue Jul 01 15:48:36 2008] [info] SSL Library Error: 336027804 > error:1407609C:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_CLIENT_HELLO:http request speaking > HTTP to HTTPS port!? > [Tue Jul 01 23:23:59 2008] [error] [client 60.172.219.2] File does not > exist: /var/www/sharedip/myproxies > [Wed Jul 02 03:30:03 2008] [notice] Graceful restart requested, doing > restart <-- this is our network monitoring process trying to restart the > server, it failed at about this time. > [Wed Jul 02 03:30:03 2008] [error] (9)Bad file descriptor: > apr_socket_accept: (client socket) > [Wed Jul 02 03:30:03 2008] [error] (9)Bad file descriptor: > apr_socket_accept: (client socket) > [Wed Jul 02 03:30:03 2008] [error] (9)Bad file descriptor: > apr_socket_accept: (client socket) > [Wed Jul 02 03:30:03 2008] [error] (9)Bad file descriptor: > apr_socket_accept: (client socket) > [Wed Jul 02 03:30:03 2008] [error] (9)Bad file descriptor: > apr_socket_accept: (client socket) > /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork: symbol lookup error: > /usr/lib/php5/extensions/ffmpeg.so: undefined symbol: av_free_static > [Wed Jul 02 03:30:04 2008] [info] mod_fcgid: Process manager 10854 stopped > [Wed Jul 02 09:34:48 2008] [info] Init: Seeding PRNG with 136 bytes of > entropy > [Wed Jul 02 09:34:48 2008] [info] Loading certificate & private key of > SSL-aware server > [Wed Jul 02 09:34:48 2008] [debug] ssl_engine_pphrase.c(469): unencrypted > RSA private key - pass phrase not required > [Wed Jul 02 09:34:48 2008] [info] Init: Generating temporary RSA private > keys (512/1024 bits) > [Wed Jul 02 09:34:48 2008] [info] Init: Generating temporary DH parameters > (512/1024 bits) > [Wed Jul 02 09:34:48 2008] [info] Init: Initializing (virtual) servers for > SSL > [Wed Jul 02 09:34:48 2008] [info] Configuring server for SSL protocol > > > > > --- On Wed, 7/2/08, Ross Smith wrote: > > > From: Ross Smith > > Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Apache crashing? > > To: ozugo at yahoo.com > > Cc: linux-user at egr.msu.edu > > Date: Wednesday, July 2, 2008, 12:34 PM > > On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 9:47 AM, ZuG > > wrote: > > > > > Hey guys, > > > > > > I'm having trouble with my apache 2.2.3 system. > > Installed ffmpeg, > > > ffmpeg-php, flvtool2, and menconder to run dolphin CMS > > system. > > > > > > Now, apache is crashing randomly, perhaps 2 times a > > week. I turned the > > > apache logging up fully to try to track it down, and > > the apache logs just > > > don?t show anything out of the ordinary. Everything > > is working fine, and > > > then nothing. > > > > > > Do I get to play the "uninstall stuff until it > > stops" game, or is there a > > > better suggestion as to how to track this down? > > I'm pretty new to > > > troubleshooting apache, though I know my way around > > the machine pretty well. > > > > > > > > > Erica > > > > > > Any chance you could post the apache and/or messages log > > file contents for > > the time around when the crash occurs? There may be > > something obscure that > > an extra pair of eyes might help to find. Also, is > > anything else crashing > > or just apache? There is a good chance uninstalling ffmpeg > > and the other > > programs won't help your case. If anything, I would > > suggest re-installing > > Apache if you take that route. Really though, that's a > > last route. Try > > changing some settings within apache such as the increasing > > the > > 'MaxRequestPerChild' and 'ThreadsPerChild' > > counts. It could be as simple as > > a memory issue (hopefully). > > > > -- Ross > > It's at the top :P -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20080702/226a0256/attachment.html From rick at divinesymphony.net Wed Jul 2 17:12:55 2008 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:12:55 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Apache crashing? In-Reply-To: <947363.86791.qm@web53912.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <947363.86791.qm@web53912.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <486BEF57.4090809@divinesymphony.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'd suggest checking your packages for corruptions (ex. verify all option with rpm) and looking in your system logs for any other package installs or updates around that time. I had a similar problem before where a small handful of servers processes would randomly crash, and it turned out one of my libraries was slightly corrupted. ZuG wrote: | Hey guys, | | I'm having trouble with my apache 2.2.3 system. Installed ffmpeg, ffmpeg-php, flvtool2, and menconder to run dolphin CMS system. | | Now, apache is crashing randomly, perhaps 2 times a week. I turned the apache logging up fully to try to track it down, and the apache logs just don?t show anything out of the ordinary. Everything is working fine, and then nothing. | | Do I get to play the "uninstall stuff until it stops" game, or is there a better suggestion as to how to track this down? I'm pretty new to troubleshooting apache, though I know my way around the machine pretty well. | | | Erica | | | | | _______________________________________________ | linux-user mailing list | linux-user at egr.msu.edu | http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mandriva - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIa+9PUMkt1ZRwL1MRApGjAJ9gpgM6ZLFXJ5pJKSmNH1mvKRAyUACfdwys r/qqitpQkVQboSnEt0NWSTg= =Fa8/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From clay at lazarusid.com Wed Jul 2 21:46:49 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:46:49 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Apache crashing? In-Reply-To: <993030.6721.qm@web53908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <993030.6721.qm@web53908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <486C2F89.6030908@lazarusid.com> ZuG wrote: > /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/php5/extensions/ffmpeg.so: undefined symbol: av_free_static > [Wed Jul 02 03:30:04 2008] [info] mod_fcgid: Process manager 10854 stopped > I don't know if this is the culprit, but this isn't good. I'd pull out ffmpeg at minimum and see how that goes. The try fastcgi if you get no results from ffmpeg coming out. You don't have to uninstall the package though, simply removing it from the configuration of apache and/or php should be sufficient. Clay From clay at lazarusid.com Wed Jul 2 21:50:38 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:50:38 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] July 3 Meeting Message-ID: <486C306E.9010003@lazarusid.com> My understanding at this point is that we're still meeting at Ideal Solution. Am I correct, or will I be sitting in the parking lot by myself? Clay From SzidikM at mlcnet.org Thu Jul 3 10:29:42 2008 From: SzidikM at mlcnet.org (Mark Szidik/mlc) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:29:42 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] OT: workgroup printers Message-ID: Our venerable 2001 HP 4100 is ready to be retired, and I am wondering what I should replace it with. The safe answer is a HP 3005x b&w laser. But I am wondering about the Xerox Phaser solid-ink color printers. Anyone have experience with them? Are they as reliable as a HP laser over 7 years? Thanks, --- Mark Szidik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20080703/89740074/attachment.html From rexykik at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 10:49:46 2008 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:49:46 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Binding interfaces to eachother Message-ID: <984d708a0807030749k686b7f34j8ebf4579e2418e10@mail.gmail.com> I have a IP phone that requires that i run an extra cable to my switch. I remember at Penguincon we were trying to use some application to bind the wireless interface on a laptop to its ethernet port so we could feed the network from the wireless; does anyone remember the name of that application? (for some reason i feel that it has 'fire' in the name). My motherboard has two ethernet interfaces...does it seem likely that i could just bind the second, unused one, to my first one so that I don't have to have a second ethernet cable running across my room and instead just plug the ip phone into my second interface? From george at idealso.com Thu Jul 3 11:04:07 2008 From: george at idealso.com (Michael George) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 11:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] Binding interfaces to eachother In-Reply-To: <984d708a0807030749k686b7f34j8ebf4579e2418e10@mail.gmail.com> References: <984d708a0807030749k686b7f34j8ebf4579e2418e10@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <208b775633f7015707c0f2692e8a2547.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> On Thu, July 3, 2008 10:49 am, Karl Schuttler wrote: > I have a IP phone that requires that i run an extra cable to my > switch. I'm guessing by this you mean that the IP phone doesn't have a mini-hub in it? If it does, then go to the phone and then into your computer? -Michael George From rexykik at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 11:07:10 2008 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 11:07:10 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Binding interfaces to eachother In-Reply-To: <208b775633f7015707c0f2692e8a2547.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> References: <984d708a0807030749k686b7f34j8ebf4579e2418e10@mail.gmail.com> <208b775633f7015707c0f2692e8a2547.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> Message-ID: <984d708a0807030807m16ab72ane6044a47e522688f@mail.gmail.com> The device is a Linksys/Cisco PAP2. It has a RJ45 jack and two RJ11's for telephone lines. On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Michael George wrote: > On Thu, July 3, 2008 10:49 am, Karl Schuttler wrote: >> I have a IP phone that requires that i run an extra cable to my >> switch. > > I'm guessing by this you mean that the IP phone doesn't have a mini-hub in > it? If it does, then go to the phone and then into your computer? > > -Michael George > From marshal at freedombi.com Thu Jul 3 11:11:51 2008 From: marshal at freedombi.com (Marshal Newrock) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 11:11:51 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Binding interfaces to eachother In-Reply-To: <984d708a0807030749k686b7f34j8ebf4579e2418e10@mail.gmail.com> References: <984d708a0807030749k686b7f34j8ebf4579e2418e10@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080703111151.3e330e33@osiris> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:49:46 -0400 "Karl Schuttler" wrote: > I have a IP phone that requires that i run an extra cable to my > switch. I remember at Penguincon we were trying to use some > application to bind the wireless interface on a laptop to its ethernet > port so we could feed the network from the wireless; does anyone > remember the name of that application? (for some reason i feel that it > has 'fire' in the name). My motherboard has two ethernet > interfaces...does it seem likely that i could just bind the second, > unused one, to my first one so that I don't have to have a second > ethernet cable running across my room and instead just plug the ip > phone into my second interface? I'm guessing the application was probably something like firestarter, which is a firewall configuration program. It sounds like what you're trying to do is to bridge the two interfaces. -- Marshal Newrock 517-679-0699 x223 FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20080703/46024cf1/attachment.bin From marshal at freedombi.com Thu Jul 3 11:15:31 2008 From: marshal at freedombi.com (Marshal Newrock) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 11:15:31 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Apache crashing? In-Reply-To: <947363.86791.qm@web53912.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <947363.86791.qm@web53912.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080703111531.2f0a316e@osiris> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 06:47:18 -0700 (PDT) ZuG wrote: > Hey guys, > > I'm having trouble with my apache 2.2.3 system. Installed ffmpeg, > ffmpeg-php, flvtool2, and menconder to run dolphin CMS system. > > Now, apache is crashing randomly, perhaps 2 times a week. I turned > the apache logging up fully to try to track it down, and the apache > logs just don?t show anything out of the ordinary. Everything is > working fine, and then nothing. > > Do I get to play the "uninstall stuff until it stops" game, or is > there a better suggestion as to how to track this down? I'm pretty > new to troubleshooting apache, though I know my way around the > machine pretty well. If this is still giving you problems, I'd check the kernel logs to see if there's any crashes recorded. dmesg will tell this, but without timestamps, so hopefully it's also logged to a file with timestamps. Then you can compare that and see what was requested at the time. I've found apache logs are useful for figuring things out when things are working properly, but not so good for when things are broken. -- Marshal Newrock 517-679-0699 x223 FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20080703/12b5a312/attachment.bin From rexykik at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 11:21:41 2008 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 11:21:41 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Binding interfaces to eachother In-Reply-To: <20080703111151.3e330e33@osiris> References: <984d708a0807030749k686b7f34j8ebf4579e2418e10@mail.gmail.com> <20080703111151.3e330e33@osiris> Message-ID: <984d708a0807030821x3a96eabdtfb5f05c6f3cf788c@mail.gmail.com> I knew the word started with a 'b'. 2008/7/3 Marshal Newrock : > On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:49:46 -0400 > "Karl Schuttler" wrote: > >> I have a IP phone that requires that i run an extra cable to my >> switch. I remember at Penguincon we were trying to use some >> application to bind the wireless interface on a laptop to its ethernet >> port so we could feed the network from the wireless; does anyone >> remember the name of that application? (for some reason i feel that it >> has 'fire' in the name). My motherboard has two ethernet >> interfaces...does it seem likely that i could just bind the second, >> unused one, to my first one so that I don't have to have a second >> ethernet cable running across my room and instead just plug the ip >> phone into my second interface? > > I'm guessing the application was probably something like firestarter, > which is a firewall configuration program. It sounds like what you're > trying to do is to bridge the two interfaces. > > -- > Marshal Newrock > 517-679-0699 x223 > FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > From rexykik at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 11:37:07 2008 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 11:37:07 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Binding interfaces to eachother In-Reply-To: <984d708a0807030821x3a96eabdtfb5f05c6f3cf788c@mail.gmail.com> References: <984d708a0807030749k686b7f34j8ebf4579e2418e10@mail.gmail.com> <20080703111151.3e330e33@osiris> <984d708a0807030821x3a96eabdtfb5f05c6f3cf788c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <984d708a0807030837q77a961c2kb81102343ba9faf5@mail.gmail.com> Think i need a crossover cable between my computer and the pap2? On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Karl Schuttler wrote: > I knew the word started with a 'b'. > > 2008/7/3 Marshal Newrock : >> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:49:46 -0400 >> "Karl Schuttler" wrote: >> >>> I have a IP phone that requires that i run an extra cable to my >>> switch. I remember at Penguincon we were trying to use some >>> application to bind the wireless interface on a laptop to its ethernet >>> port so we could feed the network from the wireless; does anyone >>> remember the name of that application? (for some reason i feel that it >>> has 'fire' in the name). My motherboard has two ethernet >>> interfaces...does it seem likely that i could just bind the second, >>> unused one, to my first one so that I don't have to have a second >>> ethernet cable running across my room and instead just plug the ip >>> phone into my second interface? >> >> I'm guessing the application was probably something like firestarter, >> which is a firewall configuration program. It sounds like what you're >> trying to do is to bridge the two interfaces. >> >> -- >> Marshal Newrock >> 517-679-0699 x223 >> FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> >> > From bbartilson at comcast.net Thu Jul 3 13:00:06 2008 From: bbartilson at comcast.net (Bill Bartilson) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 13:00:06 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Binding interfaces to eachother In-Reply-To: <984d708a0807030837q77a961c2kb81102343ba9faf5@mail.gmail.com> References: <984d708a0807030749k686b7f34j8ebf4579e2418e10@mail.gmail.com> <20080703111151.3e330e33@osiris> <984d708a0807030821x3a96eabdtfb5f05c6f3cf788c@mail.gmail.com> <984d708a0807030837q77a961c2kb81102343ba9faf5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, you would. While it's possible that your motherboard's port could configure itself either way (cross or straight) it's better to stick to convention. -B On Jul 3, 2008, at 11:37 AM, Karl Schuttler wrote: > Think i need a crossover cable between my computer and the pap2? From mortel at cyber-nos.com Thu Jul 3 13:42:09 2008 From: mortel at cyber-nos.com (Stanley C. Mortel) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:42:09 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] SSH problem Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.1.20080703133314.00be19f8@pop.cyber-nos.com> I'm having some trouble shelling into a remote server. Sometimes it just won't connect, and when it does, if I don't keep up some activity, it seems to lose the connection. I'll go to type something on the command line and nothing happens. I have to close the terminal window and reconnect. When I do that, it looks like I'm in another session, since the up arrow brings back a different command history. I've looked at the logs but nothing is there. Even when I set the logging level higher. When I'm on-site there does not seem to be a problem. If I do X forwarding and have some graphical program open, I don't seem to lose the connection. I'm sort of at a loss here. I checked the remote firewalls (there are two on that end), but didn't find anything that suggested they were terminating a connection, or even that there was a setting to control such a thing. I uninstalled and reinstalled openssh client and server, and openssl. Is it possible that their ISP is doing something funny? There have been some intermittent issues with slow network response there, that I'm still troubleshooting, but again, when I'm there I don't lose the connection. Any ideas? Thanks in advance. Stan **************************** Stan Mortel mortel at cyber-nos.com **************************** From rexykik at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 13:59:36 2008 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 13:59:36 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] SSH problem In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.1.20080703133314.00be19f8@pop.cyber-nos.com> References: <5.2.1.1.1.20080703133314.00be19f8@pop.cyber-nos.com> Message-ID: <984d708a0807031059u73eba2c3xec8c27d4714a599a@mail.gmail.com> You may want to look at the timeout on the session for when it drops; you might also look into the program spinner, which just displays that loading spinner graphic so it doesn't close down. A work around for the bash history file might be opening a screen on the remote host and just disconnecting the screen every time you're done and then disconnecting from the ssh session, and then reattaching to the screen whenever you connect. I don't know how cheap the firewalls are, but I've had troubles with consumer products (ie Belkin wireless home routers with firewalls) getting throttled by anything other than port 80 traffic. Another option might be to set up ssh keys and just have the remote server keep a reverse ssh session open to your box. This might bypass any foolishness the ISP is doing. Example: on the remote server: ssh -R highport:localhost:22 youruser at yourcomputer -X When you want to connect to it: ssh remoteuser at localhost -p highport On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Stanley C. Mortel wrote: > I'm having some trouble shelling into a remote server. Sometimes it just > won't connect, and when it does, if I don't keep up some activity, it seems > to lose the connection. I'll go to type something on the command line and > nothing happens. I have to close the terminal window and reconnect. When > I do that, it looks like I'm in another session, since the up arrow brings > back a different command history. I've looked at the logs but nothing is > there. Even when I set the logging level higher. When I'm on-site there > does not seem to be a problem. If I do X forwarding and have some > graphical program open, I don't seem to lose the connection. > > I'm sort of at a loss here. I checked the remote firewalls (there are two > on that end), but didn't find anything that suggested they were terminating > a connection, or even that there was a setting to control such a thing. I > uninstalled and reinstalled openssh client and server, and openssl. Is it > possible that their ISP is doing something funny? There have been some > intermittent issues with slow network response there, that I'm still > troubleshooting, but again, when I'm there I don't lose the connection. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks in advance. > > Stan > > **************************** > Stan Mortel > mortel at cyber-nos.com > **************************** > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From george at idealso.com Thu Jul 3 14:01:44 2008 From: george at idealso.com (Michael George) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 14:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] SSH problem In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.1.20080703133314.00be19f8@pop.cyber-nos.com> References: <5.2.1.1.1.20080703133314.00be19f8@pop.cyber-nos.com> Message-ID: <2a27e1d84e088b9484f340b82e58d34b.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> The first thing you could do is use "screen" to keep a terminal session present on the destination system in case you start up something big and get disconnected from it. The you can just "screen -r" to get it back when you reconnect. As for why it's happening... I'm sure there are others on this list who have a better understanding of the intricacies of SSH and can speculate on the problem. On Thu, July 3, 2008 1:42 pm, Stanley C. Mortel wrote: > I'm having some trouble shelling into a remote server. Sometimes it just > won't connect, and when it does, if I don't keep up some activity, it > seems > to lose the connection. I'll go to type something on the command line and > nothing happens. I have to close the terminal window and reconnect. When > I do that, it looks like I'm in another session, since the up arrow brings > back a different command history. I've looked at the logs but nothing is > there. Even when I set the logging level higher. When I'm on-site there > does not seem to be a problem. If I do X forwarding and have some > graphical program open, I don't seem to lose the connection. > > I'm sort of at a loss here. I checked the remote firewalls (there are two > on that end), but didn't find anything that suggested they were > terminating > a connection, or even that there was a setting to control such a thing. I > uninstalled and reinstalled openssh client and server, and openssl. Is it > possible that their ISP is doing something funny? There have been some > intermittent issues with slow network response there, that I'm still > troubleshooting, but again, when I'm there I don't lose the connection. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks in advance. > > Stan > > **************************** > Stan Mortel > mortel at cyber-nos.com > **************************** -Michael George From rexykik at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 14:02:27 2008 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 14:02:27 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] OT: .22 handguns Message-ID: <984d708a0807031102y6d224b39i7e1418a9db628d1b@mail.gmail.com> I know some of you have a collection of firearms; I've recently been contemplating a purchase of a .22 handgun. People seem to say that the Ruger Mark II's are the way to go. If you happen to own a .22 handgun, MkII or otherwise, I would very much like to give it a shot. If you have prior experience with these weapons and have an opinion on a good model (bargain ammo compatible) I would like to hear what you have to say. From charles at bityard.net Thu Jul 3 16:54:01 2008 From: charles at bityard.net (Charles Ulrich) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:54:01 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] SSH problem In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.1.20080703133314.00be19f8@pop.cyber-nos.com> References: <5.2.1.1.1.20080703133314.00be19f8@pop.cyber-nos.com> Message-ID: <8e690af80807031354g77392e5ep49037f2c9177c167@mail.gmail.com> On 7/3/08, Stanley C. Mortel wrote: > I'm having some trouble shelling into a remote server. Sometimes it just > won't connect, and when it does, if I don't keep up some activity, it seems > to lose the connection. I'll go to type something on the command line and > nothing happens. I have to close the terminal window and reconnect. When > I do that, it looks like I'm in another session, since the up arrow brings > back a different command history. I've looked at the logs but nothing is > there. Even when I set the logging level higher. When I'm on-site there > does not seem to be a problem. If I do X forwarding and have some > graphical program open, I don't seem to lose the connection. > > I'm sort of at a loss here. I checked the remote firewalls (there are two > on that end), but didn't find anything that suggested they were terminating > a connection, or even that there was a setting to control such a thing. I > uninstalled and reinstalled openssh client and server, and openssl. Is it > possible that their ISP is doing something funny? There have been some > intermittent issues with slow network response there, that I'm still > troubleshooting, but again, when I'm there I don't lose the connection. Either your ISP or the remote location might have a router that automatically drops TCP connections (without even the courtesy of a RST packet) after they've been idle for some time. This is pretty poor policy because while it might keep their routing tables a bit cleaner, it's a pain for people who use the Internet for things besides web and email. You might try an OpenSSH setting called ClientAliveInterval in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. It sends a bit of traffic to the SSH client if the connection's been idle for a certain length of time. Charles From rexykik at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 17:41:58 2008 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 17:41:58 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Binding interfaces to eachother In-Reply-To: References: <984d708a0807030749k686b7f34j8ebf4579e2418e10@mail.gmail.com> <20080703111151.3e330e33@osiris> <984d708a0807030821x3a96eabdtfb5f05c6f3cf788c@mail.gmail.com> <984d708a0807030837q77a961c2kb81102343ba9faf5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <984d708a0807031441s1a93fd26h1799537a8e25fb87@mail.gmail.com> It took a few hours, but my system seemed to figure it out on itself and now I've got one less cable stretching from one side of my room to the other. Didn't need the crossover, either. On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Bill Bartilson wrote: > Yes, you would. > > While it's possible that your motherboard's port could configure itself > either way (cross or straight) it's better to stick to convention. > > -B > > On Jul 3, 2008, at 11:37 AM, Karl Schuttler wrote: > >> Think i need a crossover cable between my computer and the pap2? > > From c.e.tower at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 22:07:42 2008 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:07:42 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] OT: .22 handguns In-Reply-To: <984d708a0807031102y6d224b39i7e1418a9db628d1b@mail.gmail.com> References: <984d708a0807031102y6d224b39i7e1418a9db628d1b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <486D85EE.6080607@gmail.com> That EMU is a rough place, eh, Karl? What distro do you plan to install on it? Chick Karl Schuttler wrote: > I know some of you have a collection of firearms; I've recently been > contemplating a purchase of a .22 handgun. People seem to say that the > Ruger Mark II's are the way to go. If you happen to own a .22 handgun, > MkII or otherwise, I would very much like to give it a shot. If you > have prior experience with these weapons and have an opinion on a good > model (bargain ammo compatible) I would like to hear what you have to > say. From clay at lazarusid.com Fri Jul 4 10:48:18 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:48:18 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] OT: .22 handguns In-Reply-To: <984d708a0807031102y6d224b39i7e1418a9db628d1b@mail.gmail.com> References: <984d708a0807031102y6d224b39i7e1418a9db628d1b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <486E3832.10106@lazarusid.com> Karl Schuttler wrote: > I know some of you have a collection of firearms; I've recently been > contemplating a purchase of a .22 handgun. People seem to say that the > Ruger Mark II's are the way to go. If you happen to own a .22 handgun, > MkII or otherwise, I would very much like to give it a shot. If you > have prior experience with these weapons and have an opinion on a good > model (bargain ammo compatible) I would like to hear what you have to > say. I don't have a huge amount of experience with .22 handguns, but of the couple that I have shot, I preferred revolvers to automatics. That said, a co-worker has a Mark II and is quite fond of it. Clay From mlachniet at analysts.com Fri Jul 4 18:53:58 2008 From: mlachniet at analysts.com (Lachniet, Mark) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 18:53:58 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] OT: .22 handguns References: <984d708a0807031102y6d224b39i7e1418a9db628d1b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <877ACA86E1EAE648BF2D28ADEAA479878B1173@dtwcoexchmbx2.seqnt.com> I don't think you can go wrong with a Ruger. I personally have a Bernadelli .22 (http://securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1500/1593.htm) which I totally love, if you could find one it would be great but I'm not letting mine go ever. Its very small, very cheap to shoot, and very accurate. And it was powerful enough to cap a racoon a couple months ago - I was surprised, it actually went through a racoon and two layers of drywall before petering out and falling to the ground. Unfortunately I was suprised in a bad way because then some spackling was required :) Mark Lachniet Solutions Architect - Security Analysts International 3101 Technology Blvd. Suite A Lansing, MI 48910 (517) 336-1004 (voice) mailto:mlachniet at analysts.com ________________________________ From: linux-user-bounces at egr.msu.edu on behalf of Karl Schuttler Sent: Thu 7/3/2008 2:02 PM To: linux-user at egr.msu.edu Subject: [GLLUG] OT: .22 handguns I know some of you have a collection of firearms; I've recently been contemplating a purchase of a .22 handgun. People seem to say that the Ruger Mark II's are the way to go. If you happen to own a .22 handgun, MkII or otherwise, I would very much like to give it a shot. If you have prior experience with these weapons and have an opinion on a good model (bargain ammo compatible) I would like to hear what you have to say. _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user at egr.msu.edu http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20080704/c1c962d9/attachment.html From george at idealso.com Sat Jul 5 07:56:38 2008 From: george at idealso.com (Michael George) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 07:56:38 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] OT: .22 handguns In-Reply-To: <877ACA86E1EAE648BF2D28ADEAA479878B1173@dtwcoexchmbx2.seqnt.com> References: <984d708a0807031102y6d224b39i7e1418a9db628d1b@mail.gmail.com> <877ACA86E1EAE648BF2D28ADEAA479878B1173@dtwcoexchmbx2.seqnt.com> Message-ID: <486F6176.9090207@idealso.com> Try hollow points rather than round nose. Lachniet, Mark wrote: > I don't think you can go wrong with a Ruger. I personally have a > Bernadelli .22 > (http://securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1500/1593.htm) which I > totally love, if you could find one it would be great but I'm not > letting mine go ever. Its very small, very cheap to shoot, and very > accurate. And it was powerful enough to cap a racoon a couple months > ago - I was surprised, it actually went through a racoon and two layers > of drywall before petering out and falling to the ground. Unfortunately > I was suprised in a bad way because then some spackling was required :) > > Mark Lachniet > Solutions Architect - Security > Analysts International > 3101 Technology Blvd. Suite A > Lansing, MI 48910 > (517) 336-1004 (voice) > mailto:mlachniet at analysts.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* linux-user-bounces at egr.msu.edu on behalf of Karl Schuttler > *Sent:* Thu 7/3/2008 2:02 PM > *To:* linux-user at egr.msu.edu > *Subject:* [GLLUG] OT: .22 handguns > > I know some of you have a collection of firearms; I've recently been > contemplating a purchase of a .22 handgun. People seem to say that the > Ruger Mark II's are the way to go. If you happen to own a .22 handgun, > MkII or otherwise, I would very much like to give it a shot. If you > have prior experience with these weapons and have an opinion on a good > model (bargain ammo compatible) I would like to hear what you have to > say. > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -- -M There are 10 kinds of people in this world: Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. From rexykik at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 09:58:03 2008 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 09:58:03 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] OT: .22 handguns In-Reply-To: <486F6176.9090207@idealso.com> References: <984d708a0807031102y6d224b39i7e1418a9db628d1b@mail.gmail.com> <877ACA86E1EAE648BF2D28ADEAA479878B1173@dtwcoexchmbx2.seqnt.com> <486F6176.9090207@idealso.com> Message-ID: <984d708a0807050658l345cb854q470d1980c183027c@mail.gmail.com> How about pricing on these? I went to the MI Gun show in Mason yesterday to see what the going rate was, and found three at $239, 275 (Long Rifled), and $300 (target model). Does that sound right? On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Michael George wrote: > Try hollow points rather than round nose. > > Lachniet, Mark wrote: >> >> I don't think you can go wrong with a Ruger. I personally have a >> Bernadelli .22 (http://securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1500/1593.htm) >> which I totally love, if you could find one it would be great but I'm not >> letting mine go ever. Its very small, very cheap to shoot, and very >> accurate. And it was powerful enough to cap a racoon a couple months ago - >> I was surprised, it actually went through a racoon and two layers of drywall >> before petering out and falling to the ground. Unfortunately I was suprised >> in a bad way because then some spackling was required :) >> Mark Lachniet >> Solutions Architect - Security >> Analysts International >> 3101 Technology Blvd. Suite A >> Lansing, MI 48910 >> (517) 336-1004 (voice) >> mailto:mlachniet at analysts.com >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* linux-user-bounces at egr.msu.edu on behalf of Karl Schuttler >> *Sent:* Thu 7/3/2008 2:02 PM >> *To:* linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> *Subject:* [GLLUG] OT: .22 handguns >> >> I know some of you have a collection of firearms; I've recently been >> contemplating a purchase of a .22 handgun. People seem to say that the >> Ruger Mark II's are the way to go. If you happen to own a .22 handgun, >> MkII or otherwise, I would very much like to give it a shot. If you >> have prior experience with these weapons and have an opinion on a good >> model (bargain ammo compatible) I would like to hear what you have to >> say. >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > -- > -M > > There are 10 kinds of people in this world: > Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. > From clay at lazarusid.com Sat Jul 5 11:53:11 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 11:53:11 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] OT: .22 handguns In-Reply-To: <984d708a0807050658l345cb854q470d1980c183027c@mail.gmail.com> References: <984d708a0807031102y6d224b39i7e1418a9db628d1b@mail.gmail.com> <877ACA86E1EAE648BF2D28ADEAA479878B1173@dtwcoexchmbx2.seqnt.com> <486F6176.9090207@idealso.com> <984d708a0807050658l345cb854q470d1980c183027c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <486F98E7.2090509@lazarusid.com> Karl Schuttler wrote: > How about pricing on these? I went to the MI Gun show in Mason > yesterday to see what the going rate was, and found three at $239, 275 > (Long Rifled), and $300 (target model). Does that sound right? That sounds about right. Gun show prices usually have some padding for dickering though. I strongly recommend getting it chambered for long rifle, not shorts. Shorts sometimes don't have quite enough power to operate the action. The target model could be fun too, since it is especially designed for target shooting, which is usually what you want a .22 for anyway. Clay -- CeaMuS, Simple Content Management http://www.ceamus.com From george at idealso.com Sat Jul 5 22:14:05 2008 From: george at idealso.com (Michael George) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 22:14:05 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] OT: .22 handguns In-Reply-To: <984d708a0807050658l345cb854q470d1980c183027c@mail.gmail.com> References: <984d708a0807031102y6d224b39i7e1418a9db628d1b@mail.gmail.com> <877ACA86E1EAE648BF2D28ADEAA479878B1173@dtwcoexchmbx2.seqnt.com> <486F6176.9090207@idealso.com> <984d708a0807050658l345cb854q470d1980c183027c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48702A6D.3090707@idealso.com> I have this one, but I got it in the '90's when it was still a MkII: http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=10101&return=Y I also don't have the scope rail on it and I'm quite happy with the adjustable sites. All the MkIII's are chambered for the .22LR, AFAIK, so I'm not sure what the difference is between your $239 model and the $275. I would recommend the bull bbl., myself... Karl Schuttler wrote: > How about pricing on these? I went to the MI Gun show in Mason > yesterday to see what the going rate was, and found three at $239, 275 > (Long Rifled), and $300 (target model). Does that sound right? > > On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Michael George wrote: >> Try hollow points rather than round nose. >> >> Lachniet, Mark wrote: >>> I don't think you can go wrong with a Ruger. I personally have a >>> Bernadelli .22 (http://securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1500/1593.htm) >>> which I totally love, if you could find one it would be great but I'm not >>> letting mine go ever. Its very small, very cheap to shoot, and very >>> accurate. And it was powerful enough to cap a racoon a couple months ago - >>> I was surprised, it actually went through a racoon and two layers of drywall >>> before petering out and falling to the ground. Unfortunately I was suprised >>> in a bad way because then some spackling was required :) >>> Mark Lachniet >>> Solutions Architect - Security >>> Analysts International >>> 3101 Technology Blvd. Suite A >>> Lansing, MI 48910 >>> (517) 336-1004 (voice) >>> mailto:mlachniet at analysts.com >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> *From:* linux-user-bounces at egr.msu.edu on behalf of Karl Schuttler >>> *Sent:* Thu 7/3/2008 2:02 PM >>> *To:* linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>> *Subject:* [GLLUG] OT: .22 handguns >>> >>> I know some of you have a collection of firearms; I've recently been >>> contemplating a purchase of a .22 handgun. People seem to say that the >>> Ruger Mark II's are the way to go. If you happen to own a .22 handgun, >>> MkII or otherwise, I would very much like to give it a shot. If you >>> have prior experience with these weapons and have an opinion on a good >>> model (bargain ammo compatible) I would like to hear what you have to >>> say. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> linux-user mailing list >>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> linux-user mailing list >>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> -- >> -M >> >> There are 10 kinds of people in this world: >> Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. >> > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -- -M There are 10 kinds of people in this world: Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. From c.e.tower at gmail.com Sun Jul 6 22:58:45 2008 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:58:45 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Ideal Solutions / ACD.net In-Reply-To: <4868EDDB.1040501@idealso.com> References: <48641F20.6060409@msu.edu> <48659A0A.5040404@divinesymphony.net> <8e690af80806271942x31bb5ec5jc8fc3aebab891a38@mail.gmail.com> <4865ACA7.7010509@divinesymphony.net> <549C4D03-6961-4E42-96B4-7F79FFF927DB@cesconetto.com> <4866950E.1020502@lazarusid.com> <48669AA9.80508@gmail.com> <5CA02BF3-B66D-43FA-AE2A-1C7906AA9120@cesconetto.com> <4867057B.6050002@msu.edu> <6681F662-4FBB-4AB7-BCBA-28F659304F46@cesconetto.com> <48671802.3080907@msu.edu> <4868EDDB.1040501@idealso.com> Message-ID: <48718665.6010205@gmail.com> So is this where the meeting will be the next two Thursdays? http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=East+Lansing&state=MI&address=%5B100-254%5D+E+Grand+River+Ave&zipcode=48823&cat=Bell's+Pizza&country=US&latitude=42.7348&longitude=-84.48285&geocode=STREET#a/maps/l:Bell's+Greek+Pizza:1135+E+Grand+River+Ave:East+Lansing:MI:48823:US:42.731:-84.468199:address:/m::12:42.730999:-84.468199:0::/io:0:::::f:EN:M:/e (That's a hell of a URL!) Chick Jeff Lawton wrote: > This week I will setup a wireless door bell. Rick is correct there is > not enough advanced notice. July 10th I will be out of town. I recommend > having the July 10th and the 17th meeting at Bells on the east side of > East Lansing as a test. On the 17th we can take a look at the poll and > make a decision. > > Jeff Lawton > Ideal Solution, LLC > 517-485-2650 ext 220 > jeff at idealso.com > http://www.idealso.com From rexykik at gmail.com Sun Jul 6 23:07:03 2008 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 23:07:03 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Ideal Solutions / ACD.net In-Reply-To: <48718665.6010205@gmail.com> References: <549C4D03-6961-4E42-96B4-7F79FFF927DB@cesconetto.com> <4866950E.1020502@lazarusid.com> <48669AA9.80508@gmail.com> <5CA02BF3-B66D-43FA-AE2A-1C7906AA9120@cesconetto.com> <4867057B.6050002@msu.edu> <6681F662-4FBB-4AB7-BCBA-28F659304F46@cesconetto.com> <48671802.3080907@msu.edu> <4868EDDB.1040501@idealso.com> <48718665.6010205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <984d708a0807062007r6166a33dk9a557579e335d0c9@mail.gmail.com> As Jeff proposed, I suggest we meet at the Bell's Pizza shop. I might even show up. Tinyurl might be a help. On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 10:58 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > So is this where the meeting will be the next two Thursdays? > > http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=East+Lansing&state=MI&address=%5B100-254%5D+E+Grand+River+Ave&zipcode=48823&cat=Bell's+Pizza&country=US&latitude=42.7348&longitude=-84.48285&geocode=STREET#a/maps/l:Bell's+Greek+Pizza:1135+E+Grand+River+Ave:East+Lansing:MI:48823:US:42.731:-84.468199:address:/m::12:42.730999:-84.468199:0::/io:0:::::f:EN:M:/e > > (That's a hell of a URL!) > > Chick > > > Jeff Lawton wrote: >> This week I will setup a wireless door bell. Rick is correct there is >> not enough advanced notice. July 10th I will be out of town. I recommend >> having the July 10th and the 17th meeting at Bells on the east side of >> East Lansing as a test. On the 17th we can take a look at the poll and >> make a decision. >> >> Jeff Lawton >> Ideal Solution, LLC >> 517-485-2650 ext 220 >> jeff at idealso.com >> http://www.idealso.com > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From c.e.tower at gmail.com Sun Jul 6 23:33:08 2008 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:33:08 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Ideal Solutions / ACD.net In-Reply-To: <984d708a0807062007r6166a33dk9a557579e335d0c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <549C4D03-6961-4E42-96B4-7F79FFF927DB@cesconetto.com> <4866950E.1020502@lazarusid.com> <48669AA9.80508@gmail.com> <5CA02BF3-B66D-43FA-AE2A-1C7906AA9120@cesconetto.com> <4867057B.6050002@msu.edu> <6681F662-4FBB-4AB7-BCBA-28F659304F46@cesconetto.com> <48671802.3080907@msu.edu> <4868EDDB.1040501@idealso.com> <48718665.6010205@gmail.com> <984d708a0807062007r6166a33dk9a557579e335d0c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48718E74.80905@gmail.com> Please leave my personal life out of this, Karl. Chick Karl Schuttler wrote: > ...Tinyurl might be a help. From psmith.gllug at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 00:18:31 2008 From: psmith.gllug at gmail.com (Peter Smith) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:18:31 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Ideal Solutions / ACD.net In-Reply-To: <48718E74.80905@gmail.com> References: <549C4D03-6961-4E42-96B4-7F79FFF927DB@cesconetto.com> <4866950E.1020502@lazarusid.com> <48669AA9.80508@gmail.com> <5CA02BF3-B66D-43FA-AE2A-1C7906AA9120@cesconetto.com> <4867057B.6050002@msu.edu> <6681F662-4FBB-4AB7-BCBA-28F659304F46@cesconetto.com> <48671802.3080907@msu.edu> <4868EDDB.1040501@idealso.com> <48718665.6010205@gmail.com> <984d708a0807062007r6166a33dk9a557579e335d0c9@mail.gmail.com> <48718E74.80905@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48719917.9030009@gmail.com> http://tinyurl.com/66q5l2 Nice and simple. And a site that works, not this 1993 Mapquest thing. :) See ya all there on the 10th at 6pm. :) -- Peter Smith From george at idealso.com Mon Jul 7 16:01:29 2008 From: george at idealso.com (Michael George) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 16:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] Anyone with experience with Macs and AirPort Extreme? In-Reply-To: <60134.74.204.24.74.1213642984.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> References: <60134.74.204.24.74.1213642984.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> Message-ID: <100a43e48c7a5bf5a03ddb7d5717b4be.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> Well, for anyone who cares about this thread, the "fix" didn't. It helped a bit, but the connection would just drop without reason. We moved the computer to the other side of the room to hopefully get better reception, but it is still unreliable at best. We could sit there with a fill signal indicated and start browsing and the signal would drop to nothing and get dropped. It might not reconnect for hours, no matter what I did. Sometimes I'd come home from work and my wife would be mad that she couldn't get on all day and I'll wake it up and it'll have full strength signal and stay like that for hours. The iBook, on the other hand (with an original airport card) will connect readily from anywhere in the house and maintain that awesome signal. So it's not interference or a flakey WAP. The only thing it *could* be is that 802.11b is more reliable than the 802.11g. So, I've given up. Newegg has a special on Linksys WRT54GL routers (free shipping, $50, and a $10 rebate on top of that) so I'm just getting another one. I'll put that one in place to see if that might be the issue, but I doubt it is. After that test, I'll use one of them as the WAP and router and the other as a bridge. It's $10 more than trying an 802.11 USB key, but it also gives me a second router on hand in case the primary should fail and another unit to use for firmware updates. On Mon, June 16, 2008 3:03 pm, Michael George wrote: > Tried turning off the authentication. Didn't help. > > I found a fix, though! In reading and reading and reading, I saw a > reference to how some people "fixed" the problem by activating and then > deactivating IPv6. I figured it was worth a try... and it did! > > On Mon, June 16, 2008 2:53 pm, Sean O'Malley wrote: >> My bad. I read what you said incorrectly about the intermittant >> connections. :) >> >> From what I just read it appears it is an authentication/authorization >> issue and there are firmware upgrades from linksys.. dd-wrt probably >> hasnt >> fixed it yet. >> >> If you turn off auth on the router, it supposedly works. >> >> *shrugs* >> >> >> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Michael George wrote: >> >>> The GL has more RAM than the current G's do, not less. >>> >>> I haven't had *any* problems at all with 10.4, only with 10.5. >>> >>> On Mon, June 16, 2008 11:43 am, Sean O'Malley wrote: >>> > Im cheap I guess. I would try changing the firmware on the router >>> first. >>> > >>> > Weren't those the routers that had like 1/2 as much ram as the G >>> series >>> > and a few other shortcuts to drop the price? >>> > >>> > I am just thinking if you are trying to squeeze a gui and software on >>> a >>> > smaller space, you might actually drop a few things along the way >>> just >>> to >>> > squeeze it on. >>> > >>> > The fact it doesnt really work with 10.4 (it is flaky) and it doesnt >>> work >>> > at all with 10.5 and other people are just having flaky issues with >>> 10.5, >>> > leads me to think something else might be wrong. I would triple check >>> my >>> > configs and make sure im running the latest known to work version of >>> the >>> > firmware. >>> > >>> > I have also heard of numerous issues with dd-wrt and people have >>> switched >>> > to openwrt. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Michael George wrote: >>> > >>> >> That is actually what I'm leaning towards. I just hadn't looked >>> into >>> >> which ones were compatible with 10.5 yet. >>> >> >>> >> On Mon, June 16, 2008 7:33 am, Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: >>> >> > another solution is to use a USB wireless adapter, Blekin and >>> DLink >>> >> > both make Mac compatible a/b/g cards >>> >> > >>> >> > On Jun 15, 2008, at 9:31 PM, Michael George wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> >> Well, what I found is that there are a lot of networking problems >>> >> with >>> >> >> 10.5. Most of what I found had to do with extremely poor >>> performance >>> >> >> and continuously dropped connections. One post in particular >>> said >>> >> >> that >>> >> >> the Airport Extreme devices were no longer playing well with >>> Cicso >>> >> >> WAPs. >>> >> >> Whether the "cisco problem" extends into their Linksys >>> >> >> acquisitions, I >>> >> >> do not know. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> My router is working fine, and I don't have any plans to change >>> it. >>> >> >> If >>> >> >> I had a greater need for the Mini to work I might try OpenWRT, or >>> >> even >>> >> >> go back to the Linksys Firmware for the WRT54G... >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Given that the 10.4 systems and WinXP were no-effort connections, >>> I >>> >> am >>> >> >> inclined to blame Apple and I am hoping that a future update >>> might >>> >> >> resolve the issue. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Karl Schuttler wrote: >>> >> >>> It might be worthwhile to see if the problem exists in OpenWRT, >>> >> >>> another linux firmware for the WRT line. OpenWRT isn't tough, >>> >> >>> especially if you've done any networking in linux, but it is >>> mostly >>> >> >>> command line (no web gui out of the box). It may be the easiest >>> >> >>> migration to make it work, if you find that others aren't >>> running >>> >> >>> into >>> >> >>> this issue. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Michael George >>> >> >>> wrote: >>> >> >>>> Yes, those bastards. This is not an isolated dd-wrt issue, it >>> has >>> >> >>>> been >>> >> >>>> happening to many people with the Airport Extreme devices under >>> >> >>>> 10.5. >>> >> >>>> It was a problem at 10.5.1 (but not under 10.4) and still is >>> now. >>> >> >>>> They >>> >> >>>> aren't giving it attention because they made it work with their >>> >> >>>> WAPs. >>> >> >>>> If it doesn't work with Ciscos, they don't seem to care. >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> I have connected my iBook (10.4) with no hesitation. I have >>> >> >>>> connected >>> >> >>>> Windows XP with no problem. The software running in dd-wrt is >>> in >>> >> >>>> very >>> >> >>>> wide use and I'm sure if there were problems with it meeting >>> the >>> >> >>>> standards of 802.11b/g, they would get fixed. However, Apple >>> >> >>>> adopted an >>> >> >>>> unfinished (beta) spec (802.11n) and put it into production >>> >> >>>> hardware. >>> >> >>>> Internal to the computer, no less. When it isn't backwards >>> >> >>>> compatible >>> >> >>>> their best answer (not that they gave one) is "spend several >>> >> >>>> hundred $$ >>> >> >>>> and get one of *our* WAPs". >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> If you think dd-wrt is such junk, then why don't you download >>> the >>> >> >>>> latest >>> >> >>>> linksys firmware and install it on your router? When you do, >>> >> please >>> >> >>>> tell me if your problem goes away... >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: >>> >> >>>>> Those bastards? I blame your crappy Open Source driven router, >>> I >>> >> >>>>> have >>> >> >>>>> the same issue with my WRT54GL w/ DD-WRT is junk too... You >>> get >>> >> >>>>> what u >>> >> >>>>> pay for... >>> >> >>>>> >>> >> >>>>> On Jun 14, 2008, at 9:20 PM, Michael George wrote: >>> >> >>>>> >>> >> >>>>>> Well, no go on either of these. I can set up an ad-hoc >>> network >>> >> >>>>>> with my >>> >> >>>>>> iBook and an original AirPort card (802.11b?), but it keeps >>> >> >>>>>> getting >>> >> >>>>>> connection timeouts to the Linksys/dd-wrt WAP. I am not >>> about >>> >> >>>>>> to spend >>> >> >>>>>> $300 for a Apple WAP to connect this thing. Those bastards >>> make >>> >> >>>>>> incompatible hard/firmware and expect me to spend more $$ on >>> >> >>>>>> them? No >>> >> >>>>>> way. >>> >> >>>>>> >>> >> >>>>>> Sean O'Malley wrote: >>> >> >>>>>>> It doesnt really seem to be a related issue, but the early >>> 2006 >>> >> >>>>>>> minis >>> >> >>>>>>> have a firmware update for them. It is called >>> >> >>>>>>> Apple Mac mini early 2006 SMC Firmware >>> >> >>>>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>> A more related fix would be: >>> >> >>>>>>> ---- >>> >> >>>>>>> from http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=4993837 >>> >> >>>>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>> Alright, so we know that after updated to 10.5.2 people were >>> >> >>>>>>> still >>> >> >>>>>>> having >>> >> >>>>>>> trouble with Airport. I was one of them, and I figured it >>> out. >>> >> >>>>>>> Here is >>> >> >>>>>>> what I did: >>> >> >>>>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>> 1. Navigate to Library\Preferences\SystemConfiguration >>> >> >>>>>>> 2. Locate com.apple.airport.preferences.plist >>> >> >>>>>>> 3. Drag it to trash >>> >> >>>>>>> 4. Hit the spotlight, type in "Keychain Access" >>> >> >>>>>>> a) Remove all passwords to every network >>> >> >>>>>>> *now I don't know if that's necessary, but I did it, and it >>> >> >>>>>>> worked* >>> >> >>>>>>> 5. Restart Leopard >>> >> >>>>>>> 6. Connect to a network and you should be problem free >>> >> >>>>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>> By deleting com.apple.airport.preferences.plist and >>> restarting >>> >> >>>>>>> your >>> >> >>>>>>> system, you are allowing Leopard to create the new 10.5.2 >>> file. >>> >> >>>>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>> My theory is, is that the two conflicted with each other so >>> it >>> >> >>>>>>> wasn't >>> >> >>>>>>> copied properly, and thats why some people had the problem >>> and >>> >> >>>>>>> some >>> >> >>>>>>> didn't. >>> >> >>>>>>> --- >>> >> >>>>>>> my guess is you just need to axe the password to the >>> airport. >>> >> >>>>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>> That at least lets you start the config from scratch. :) >>> >> >>>>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>> Sean >>> >> >>>>>> -- >>> >> >>>>>> -M >>> >> >>>>>> >>> >> >>>>>> There are 10 kinds of people in this world: >>> >> >>>>>> Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. >>> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>> >> >>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>> >> >>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>> >> >>>> -- >>> >> >>>> -M >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> There are 10 kinds of people in this world: >>> >> >>>> Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. >>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >>>> linux-user mailing list >>> >> >>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>> >> >>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >>> linux-user mailing list >>> >> >>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>> >> >>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>> >> >> >>> >> >> -- >>> >> >> -M >>> >> >> >>> >> >> There are 10 kinds of people in this world: >>> >> >> Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >> linux-user mailing list >>> >> >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>> >> >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -Michael George >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> linux-user mailing list >>> >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>> >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>> >> >>> > >>> >>> >>> -Michael George >>> _______________________________________________ >>> linux-user mailing list >>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>> >> > > > -Michael George > > > -Michael George From rick at divinesymphony.net Mon Jul 7 21:23:48 2008 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:23:48 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] OT: workgroup printers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4872C1A4.8060003@divinesymphony.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mark Szidik/mlc wrote: | | Our venerable 2001 HP 4100 is ready to be retired, and I am wondering | what I should replace it with. | | The safe answer is a HP 3005x b&w laser. | | But I am wondering about the Xerox Phaser solid-ink color printers. | Anyone have experience with them? Are they as reliable as a HP laser | over 7 years? I can't speak for long-term reliability, but the printouts were definitely different. They looked very good, but were a bit shiny (I think, been almost 4 years since I've seen it now). I heard from co-workers that the dye, wax, or whatever else you want to call it had a tendency to flake off under certain conditions. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mandriva - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIcsGfUMkt1ZRwL1MRAitmAJ9Kw11BRmqm8whwWdV097PxiFdihwCgiNHs F0Gr/POSlrxdGHu++Ff/AiU= =/g77 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From eduardo at cesconetto.com Mon Jul 7 22:24:31 2008 From: eduardo at cesconetto.com (Eduardo Cesconetto) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 22:24:31 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Anyone with experience with Macs and AirPort Extreme? In-Reply-To: <100a43e48c7a5bf5a03ddb7d5717b4be.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> References: <60134.74.204.24.74.1213642984.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> <100a43e48c7a5bf5a03ddb7d5717b4be.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> Message-ID: Again, you are setting yourself for failure. The WRT54GL is buggy, even worse when used with DDWRT. Give up and get a descent router. My recomendation is an Airport Extreme, but if you'd like to save some cash, get a cheap Netgear N router... On Jul 7, 2008, at 4:01 PM, Michael George wrote: > Well, for anyone who cares about this thread, the "fix" didn't. It > helped > a bit, but the connection would just drop without reason. We moved > the > computer to the other side of the room to hopefully get better > reception, > but it is still unreliable at best. > > We could sit there with a fill signal indicated and start browsing > and the > signal would drop to nothing and get dropped. It might not > reconnect for > hours, no matter what I did. Sometimes I'd come home from work and my > wife would be mad that she couldn't get on all day and I'll wake it > up and > it'll have full strength signal and stay like that for hours. > > The iBook, on the other hand (with an original airport card) will > connect > readily from anywhere in the house and maintain that awesome > signal. So > it's not interference or a flakey WAP. The only thing it *could* be > is > that 802.11b is more reliable than the 802.11g. > > So, I've given up. Newegg has a special on Linksys WRT54GL routers > (free > shipping, $50, and a $10 rebate on top of that) so I'm just getting > another one. I'll put that one in place to see if that might be the > issue, but I doubt it is. After that test, I'll use one of them as > the > WAP and router and the other as a bridge. It's $10 more than trying > an > 802.11 USB key, but it also gives me a second router on hand in case > the > primary should fail and another unit to use for firmware updates. > > On Mon, June 16, 2008 3:03 pm, Michael George wrote: >> Tried turning off the authentication. Didn't help. >> >> I found a fix, though! In reading and reading and reading, I saw a >> reference to how some people "fixed" the problem by activating and >> then >> deactivating IPv6. I figured it was worth a try... and it did! >> >> On Mon, June 16, 2008 2:53 pm, Sean O'Malley wrote: >>> My bad. I read what you said incorrectly about the intermittant >>> connections. :) >>> >>> From what I just read it appears it is an authentication/ >>> authorization >>> issue and there are firmware upgrades from linksys.. dd-wrt probably >>> hasnt >>> fixed it yet. >>> >>> If you turn off auth on the router, it supposedly works. >>> >>> *shrugs* >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Michael George wrote: >>> >>>> The GL has more RAM than the current G's do, not less. >>>> >>>> I haven't had *any* problems at all with 10.4, only with 10.5. >>>> >>>> On Mon, June 16, 2008 11:43 am, Sean O'Malley wrote: >>>>> Im cheap I guess. I would try changing the firmware on the router >>>> first. >>>>> >>>>> Weren't those the routers that had like 1/2 as much ram as the G >>>> series >>>>> and a few other shortcuts to drop the price? >>>>> >>>>> I am just thinking if you are trying to squeeze a gui and >>>>> software on >>>> a >>>>> smaller space, you might actually drop a few things along the way >>>> just >>>> to >>>>> squeeze it on. >>>>> >>>>> The fact it doesnt really work with 10.4 (it is flaky) and it >>>>> doesnt >>>> work >>>>> at all with 10.5 and other people are just having flaky issues >>>>> with >>>> 10.5, >>>>> leads me to think something else might be wrong. I would triple >>>>> check >>>> my >>>>> configs and make sure im running the latest known to work >>>>> version of >>>> the >>>>> firmware. >>>>> >>>>> I have also heard of numerous issues with dd-wrt and people have >>>> switched >>>>> to openwrt. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Michael George wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> That is actually what I'm leaning towards. I just hadn't looked >>>> into >>>>>> which ones were compatible with 10.5 yet. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, June 16, 2008 7:33 am, Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: >>>>>>> another solution is to use a USB wireless adapter, Blekin and >>>> DLink >>>>>>> both make Mac compatible a/b/g cards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jun 15, 2008, at 9:31 PM, Michael George wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well, what I found is that there are a lot of networking >>>>>>>> problems >>>>>> with >>>>>>>> 10.5. Most of what I found had to do with extremely poor >>>> performance >>>>>>>> and continuously dropped connections. One post in particular >>>> said >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> the Airport Extreme devices were no longer playing well with >>>> Cicso >>>>>>>> WAPs. >>>>>>>> Whether the "cisco problem" extends into their Linksys >>>>>>>> acquisitions, I >>>>>>>> do not know. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My router is working fine, and I don't have any plans to change >>>> it. >>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>> I had a greater need for the Mini to work I might try >>>>>>>> OpenWRT, or >>>>>> even >>>>>>>> go back to the Linksys Firmware for the WRT54G... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Given that the 10.4 systems and WinXP were no-effort >>>>>>>> connections, >>>> I >>>>>> am >>>>>>>> inclined to blame Apple and I am hoping that a future update >>>> might >>>>>>>> resolve the issue. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Karl Schuttler wrote: >>>>>>>>> It might be worthwhile to see if the problem exists in >>>>>>>>> OpenWRT, >>>>>>>>> another linux firmware for the WRT line. OpenWRT isn't tough, >>>>>>>>> especially if you've done any networking in linux, but it is >>>> mostly >>>>>>>>> command line (no web gui out of the box). It may be the >>>>>>>>> easiest >>>>>>>>> migration to make it work, if you find that others aren't >>>> running >>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>> this issue. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Michael George >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Yes, those bastards. This is not an isolated dd-wrt issue, >>>>>>>>>> it >>>> has >>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>> happening to many people with the Airport Extreme devices >>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>> 10.5. >>>>>>>>>> It was a problem at 10.5.1 (but not under 10.4) and still is >>>> now. >>>>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>>>> aren't giving it attention because they made it work with >>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>> WAPs. >>>>>>>>>> If it doesn't work with Ciscos, they don't seem to care. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have connected my iBook (10.4) with no hesitation. I have >>>>>>>>>> connected >>>>>>>>>> Windows XP with no problem. The software running in dd-wrt >>>>>>>>>> is >>>> in >>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>> wide use and I'm sure if there were problems with it meeting >>>> the >>>>>>>>>> standards of 802.11b/g, they would get fixed. However, Apple >>>>>>>>>> adopted an >>>>>>>>>> unfinished (beta) spec (802.11n) and put it into production >>>>>>>>>> hardware. >>>>>>>>>> Internal to the computer, no less. When it isn't backwards >>>>>>>>>> compatible >>>>>>>>>> their best answer (not that they gave one) is "spend several >>>>>>>>>> hundred $$ >>>>>>>>>> and get one of *our* WAPs". >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If you think dd-wrt is such junk, then why don't you download >>>> the >>>>>>>>>> latest >>>>>>>>>> linksys firmware and install it on your router? When you do, >>>>>> please >>>>>>>>>> tell me if your problem goes away... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Those bastards? I blame your crappy Open Source driven >>>>>>>>>>> router, >>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>> the same issue with my WRT54GL w/ DD-WRT is junk too... You >>>> get >>>>>>>>>>> what u >>>>>>>>>>> pay for... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 14, 2008, at 9:20 PM, Michael George wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, no go on either of these. I can set up an ad-hoc >>>> network >>>>>>>>>>>> with my >>>>>>>>>>>> iBook and an original AirPort card (802.11b?), but it keeps >>>>>>>>>>>> getting >>>>>>>>>>>> connection timeouts to the Linksys/dd-wrt WAP. I am not >>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>> to spend >>>>>>>>>>>> $300 for a Apple WAP to connect this thing. Those bastards >>>> make >>>>>>>>>>>> incompatible hard/firmware and expect me to spend more $$ >>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>> them? No >>>>>>>>>>>> way. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sean O'Malley wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesnt really seem to be a related issue, but the early >>>> 2006 >>>>>>>>>>>>> minis >>>>>>>>>>>>> have a firmware update for them. It is called >>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Mac mini early 2006 SMC Firmware >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> A more related fix would be: >>>>>>>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>>>>>>> from http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=4993837 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Alright, so we know that after updated to 10.5.2 people >>>>>>>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>> having >>>>>>>>>>>>> trouble with Airport. I was one of them, and I figured it >>>> out. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is >>>>>>>>>>>>> what I did: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Navigate to Library\Preferences\SystemConfiguration >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Locate com.apple.airport.preferences.plist >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Drag it to trash >>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Hit the spotlight, type in "Keychain Access" >>>>>>>>>>>>> a) Remove all passwords to every network >>>>>>>>>>>>> *now I don't know if that's necessary, but I did it, and >>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>> worked* >>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Restart Leopard >>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. Connect to a network and you should be problem free >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> By deleting com.apple.airport.preferences.plist and >>>> restarting >>>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>>> system, you are allowing Leopard to create the new 10.5.2 >>>> file. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> My theory is, is that the two conflicted with each other >>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't >>>>>>>>>>>>> copied properly, and thats why some people had the problem >>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't. >>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>> my guess is you just need to axe the password to the >>>> airport. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That at least lets you start the config from scratch. :) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sean >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> -M >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are 10 kinds of people in this world: >>>>>>>>>>>> Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> -M >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There are 10 kinds of people in this world: >>>>>>>>>> Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> -M >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are 10 kinds of people in this world: >>>>>>>> Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -Michael George >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Michael George >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> linux-user mailing list >>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>> >>> >> >> >> -Michael George >> >> >> > > > -Michael George > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From eduardo at cesconetto.com Mon Jul 7 22:25:08 2008 From: eduardo at cesconetto.com (Eduardo Cesconetto) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 22:25:08 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Bells Message-ID: <44E5F696-B17D-49D6-B761-244E71F15157@cesconetto.com> is this next meeting at Bells? The website still states ACD HQ... From szumlins at mac.com Mon Jul 7 22:30:19 2008 From: szumlins at mac.com (Mike Szumlinski) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:30:19 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Anyone with experience with Macs and AirPort Extreme? In-Reply-To: References: <60134.74.204.24.74.1213642984.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> <100a43e48c7a5bf5a03ddb7d5717b4be.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> Message-ID: <0504851A-4A53-4788-9CA9-1FFCDBB91FEC@mac.com> The new Time Capsule drives are kind of nice too. $499 for an 802.11n router with a 4 port gig-e switch and a 1TB NAS built in. I just use Airport Express's at home. Cheap and function and tiny. -Mike On Jul 7, 2008, at 10:24 PM, Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: > Again, you are setting yourself for failure. The WRT54GL is buggy, > even worse when used with DDWRT. > Give up and get a descent router. My recomendation is an Airport > Extreme, but if you'd like to save some cash, get a cheap Netgear N > router... > > On Jul 7, 2008, at 4:01 PM, Michael George wrote: > >> Well, for anyone who cares about this thread, the "fix" didn't. It >> helped >> a bit, but the connection would just drop without reason. We moved >> the >> computer to the other side of the room to hopefully get better >> reception, >> but it is still unreliable at best. >> >> We could sit there with a fill signal indicated and start browsing >> and the >> signal would drop to nothing and get dropped. It might not >> reconnect for >> hours, no matter what I did. Sometimes I'd come home from work and >> my >> wife would be mad that she couldn't get on all day and I'll wake it >> up and >> it'll have full strength signal and stay like that for hours. >> >> The iBook, on the other hand (with an original airport card) will >> connect >> readily from anywhere in the house and maintain that awesome >> signal. So >> it's not interference or a flakey WAP. The only thing it *could* be >> is >> that 802.11b is more reliable than the 802.11g. >> >> So, I've given up. Newegg has a special on Linksys WRT54GL routers >> (free >> shipping, $50, and a $10 rebate on top of that) so I'm just getting >> another one. I'll put that one in place to see if that might be the >> issue, but I doubt it is. After that test, I'll use one of them as >> the >> WAP and router and the other as a bridge. It's $10 more than trying >> an >> 802.11 USB key, but it also gives me a second router on hand in case >> the >> primary should fail and another unit to use for firmware updates. >> >> On Mon, June 16, 2008 3:03 pm, Michael George wrote: >>> Tried turning off the authentication. Didn't help. >>> >>> I found a fix, though! In reading and reading and reading, I saw a >>> reference to how some people "fixed" the problem by activating and >>> then >>> deactivating IPv6. I figured it was worth a try... and it did! >>> >>> On Mon, June 16, 2008 2:53 pm, Sean O'Malley wrote: >>>> My bad. I read what you said incorrectly about the intermittant >>>> connections. :) >>>> >>>> From what I just read it appears it is an authentication/ >>>> authorization >>>> issue and there are firmware upgrades from linksys.. dd-wrt >>>> probably >>>> hasnt >>>> fixed it yet. >>>> >>>> If you turn off auth on the router, it supposedly works. >>>> >>>> *shrugs* >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Michael George wrote: >>>> >>>>> The GL has more RAM than the current G's do, not less. >>>>> >>>>> I haven't had *any* problems at all with 10.4, only with 10.5. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, June 16, 2008 11:43 am, Sean O'Malley wrote: >>>>>> Im cheap I guess. I would try changing the firmware on the router >>>>> first. >>>>>> >>>>>> Weren't those the routers that had like 1/2 as much ram as the G >>>>> series >>>>>> and a few other shortcuts to drop the price? >>>>>> >>>>>> I am just thinking if you are trying to squeeze a gui and >>>>>> software on >>>>> a >>>>>> smaller space, you might actually drop a few things along the way >>>>> just >>>>> to >>>>>> squeeze it on. >>>>>> >>>>>> The fact it doesnt really work with 10.4 (it is flaky) and it >>>>>> doesnt >>>>> work >>>>>> at all with 10.5 and other people are just having flaky issues >>>>>> with >>>>> 10.5, >>>>>> leads me to think something else might be wrong. I would triple >>>>>> check >>>>> my >>>>>> configs and make sure im running the latest known to work >>>>>> version of >>>>> the >>>>>> firmware. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have also heard of numerous issues with dd-wrt and people have >>>>> switched >>>>>> to openwrt. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Michael George wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> That is actually what I'm leaning towards. I just hadn't looked >>>>> into >>>>>>> which ones were compatible with 10.5 yet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, June 16, 2008 7:33 am, Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: >>>>>>>> another solution is to use a USB wireless adapter, Blekin and >>>>> DLink >>>>>>>> both make Mac compatible a/b/g cards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 15, 2008, at 9:31 PM, Michael George wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well, what I found is that there are a lot of networking >>>>>>>>> problems >>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> 10.5. Most of what I found had to do with extremely poor >>>>> performance >>>>>>>>> and continuously dropped connections. One post in particular >>>>> said >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> the Airport Extreme devices were no longer playing well with >>>>> Cicso >>>>>>>>> WAPs. >>>>>>>>> Whether the "cisco problem" extends into their Linksys >>>>>>>>> acquisitions, I >>>>>>>>> do not know. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My router is working fine, and I don't have any plans to >>>>>>>>> change >>>>> it. >>>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>>> I had a greater need for the Mini to work I might try >>>>>>>>> OpenWRT, or >>>>>>> even >>>>>>>>> go back to the Linksys Firmware for the WRT54G... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Given that the 10.4 systems and WinXP were no-effort >>>>>>>>> connections, >>>>> I >>>>>>> am >>>>>>>>> inclined to blame Apple and I am hoping that a future update >>>>> might >>>>>>>>> resolve the issue. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Karl Schuttler wrote: >>>>>>>>>> It might be worthwhile to see if the problem exists in >>>>>>>>>> OpenWRT, >>>>>>>>>> another linux firmware for the WRT line. OpenWRT isn't tough, >>>>>>>>>> especially if you've done any networking in linux, but it is >>>>> mostly >>>>>>>>>> command line (no web gui out of the box). It may be the >>>>>>>>>> easiest >>>>>>>>>> migration to make it work, if you find that others aren't >>>>> running >>>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>>> this issue. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Michael George >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, those bastards. This is not an isolated dd-wrt issue, >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>> happening to many people with the Airport Extreme devices >>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>> 10.5. >>>>>>>>>>> It was a problem at 10.5.1 (but not under 10.4) and still is >>>>> now. >>>>>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>>>>> aren't giving it attention because they made it work with >>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>> WAPs. >>>>>>>>>>> If it doesn't work with Ciscos, they don't seem to care. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have connected my iBook (10.4) with no hesitation. I have >>>>>>>>>>> connected >>>>>>>>>>> Windows XP with no problem. The software running in dd-wrt >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>> wide use and I'm sure if there were problems with it meeting >>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> standards of 802.11b/g, they would get fixed. However, >>>>>>>>>>> Apple >>>>>>>>>>> adopted an >>>>>>>>>>> unfinished (beta) spec (802.11n) and put it into production >>>>>>>>>>> hardware. >>>>>>>>>>> Internal to the computer, no less. When it isn't backwards >>>>>>>>>>> compatible >>>>>>>>>>> their best answer (not that they gave one) is "spend several >>>>>>>>>>> hundred $$ >>>>>>>>>>> and get one of *our* WAPs". >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If you think dd-wrt is such junk, then why don't you >>>>>>>>>>> download >>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> latest >>>>>>>>>>> linksys firmware and install it on your router? When you >>>>>>>>>>> do, >>>>>>> please >>>>>>>>>>> tell me if your problem goes away... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Those bastards? I blame your crappy Open Source driven >>>>>>>>>>>> router, >>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>> the same issue with my WRT54GL w/ DD-WRT is junk too... You >>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>> what u >>>>>>>>>>>> pay for... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 14, 2008, at 9:20 PM, Michael George wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, no go on either of these. I can set up an ad-hoc >>>>> network >>>>>>>>>>>>> with my >>>>>>>>>>>>> iBook and an original AirPort card (802.11b?), but it >>>>>>>>>>>>> keeps >>>>>>>>>>>>> getting >>>>>>>>>>>>> connection timeouts to the Linksys/dd-wrt WAP. I am not >>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>>> to spend >>>>>>>>>>>>> $300 for a Apple WAP to connect this thing. Those >>>>>>>>>>>>> bastards >>>>> make >>>>>>>>>>>>> incompatible hard/firmware and expect me to spend more $$ >>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>> them? No >>>>>>>>>>>>> way. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sean O'Malley wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesnt really seem to be a related issue, but the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> early >>>>> 2006 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> minis >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a firmware update for them. It is called >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Mac mini early 2006 SMC Firmware >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A more related fix would be: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=4993837 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alright, so we know that after updated to 10.5.2 people >>>>>>>>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>>> having >>>>>>>>>>>>>> trouble with Airport. I was one of them, and I figured it >>>>> out. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> what I did: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Navigate to Library\Preferences\SystemConfiguration >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Locate com.apple.airport.preferences.plist >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Drag it to trash >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Hit the spotlight, type in "Keychain Access" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a) Remove all passwords to every network >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *now I don't know if that's necessary, but I did it, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked* >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Restart Leopard >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. Connect to a network and you should be problem free >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> By deleting com.apple.airport.preferences.plist and >>>>> restarting >>>>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>>>> system, you are allowing Leopard to create the new 10.5.2 >>>>> file. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> My theory is, is that the two conflicted with each other >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> copied properly, and thats why some people had the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem >>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my guess is you just need to axe the password to the >>>>> airport. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That at least lets you start the config from scratch. :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sean >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> -M >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> There are 10 kinds of people in this world: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> -M >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There are 10 kinds of people in this world: >>>>>>>>>>> Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> -M >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There are 10 kinds of people in this world: >>>>>>>>> Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Michael George >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Michael George >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -Michael George >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -Michael George >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From karl.schuttler at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 22:32:45 2008 From: karl.schuttler at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 22:32:45 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] July 10th & 17th Meeting at Bells Pizza Message-ID: <984d708a0807071932y31b6afb8w253ba4c797ab9836@mail.gmail.com> The next two GLLUG meetings (10th and 17th) we will be meeting at Bell's pizza on Grand River Ave. in East Lansing, MI by the MSU campus. Google map available at http://tinyurl.com/66q5l2 From rexykik at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 22:42:55 2008 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 22:42:55 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Anyone with experience with Macs and AirPort Extreme? In-Reply-To: References: <60134.74.204.24.74.1213642984.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> <100a43e48c7a5bf5a03ddb7d5717b4be.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> Message-ID: <984d708a0807071942x3fbfa1edqecf0719189d7cc5@mail.gmail.com> Oke-doke, non-biased Apple employee. On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 10:24 PM, Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: > Again, you are setting yourself for failure. The WRT54GL is buggy, > even worse when used with DDWRT. > Give up and get a descent router. My recomendation is an Airport > Extreme, but if you'd like to save some cash, get a cheap Netgear N > router... > > On Jul 7, 2008, at 4:01 PM, Michael George wrote: > >> Well, for anyone who cares about this thread, the "fix" didn't. It >> helped >> a bit, but the connection would just drop without reason. We moved >> the >> computer to the other side of the room to hopefully get better >> reception, >> but it is still unreliable at best. >> >> We could sit there with a fill signal indicated and start browsing >> and the >> signal would drop to nothing and get dropped. It might not >> reconnect for >> hours, no matter what I did. Sometimes I'd come home from work and my >> wife would be mad that she couldn't get on all day and I'll wake it >> up and >> it'll have full strength signal and stay like that for hours. >> >> The iBook, on the other hand (with an original airport card) will >> connect >> readily from anywhere in the house and maintain that awesome >> signal. So >> it's not interference or a flakey WAP. The only thing it *could* be >> is >> that 802.11b is more reliable than the 802.11g. >> >> So, I've given up. Newegg has a special on Linksys WRT54GL routers >> (free >> shipping, $50, and a $10 rebate on top of that) so I'm just getting >> another one. I'll put that one in place to see if that might be the >> issue, but I doubt it is. After that test, I'll use one of them as >> the >> WAP and router and the other as a bridge. It's $10 more than trying >> an >> 802.11 USB key, but it also gives me a second router on hand in case >> the >> primary should fail and another unit to use for firmware updates. >> >> On Mon, June 16, 2008 3:03 pm, Michael George wrote: >>> Tried turning off the authentication. Didn't help. >>> >>> I found a fix, though! In reading and reading and reading, I saw a >>> reference to how some people "fixed" the problem by activating and >>> then >>> deactivating IPv6. I figured it was worth a try... and it did! >>> >>> On Mon, June 16, 2008 2:53 pm, Sean O'Malley wrote: >>>> My bad. I read what you said incorrectly about the intermittant >>>> connections. :) >>>> >>>> From what I just read it appears it is an authentication/ >>>> authorization >>>> issue and there are firmware upgrades from linksys.. dd-wrt probably >>>> hasnt >>>> fixed it yet. >>>> >>>> If you turn off auth on the router, it supposedly works. >>>> >>>> *shrugs* >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Michael George wrote: >>>> >>>>> The GL has more RAM than the current G's do, not less. >>>>> >>>>> I haven't had *any* problems at all with 10.4, only with 10.5. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, June 16, 2008 11:43 am, Sean O'Malley wrote: >>>>>> Im cheap I guess. I would try changing the firmware on the router >>>>> first. >>>>>> >>>>>> Weren't those the routers that had like 1/2 as much ram as the G >>>>> series >>>>>> and a few other shortcuts to drop the price? >>>>>> >>>>>> I am just thinking if you are trying to squeeze a gui and >>>>>> software on >>>>> a >>>>>> smaller space, you might actually drop a few things along the way >>>>> just >>>>> to >>>>>> squeeze it on. >>>>>> >>>>>> The fact it doesnt really work with 10.4 (it is flaky) and it >>>>>> doesnt >>>>> work >>>>>> at all with 10.5 and other people are just having flaky issues >>>>>> with >>>>> 10.5, >>>>>> leads me to think something else might be wrong. I would triple >>>>>> check >>>>> my >>>>>> configs and make sure im running the latest known to work >>>>>> version of >>>>> the >>>>>> firmware. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have also heard of numerous issues with dd-wrt and people have >>>>> switched >>>>>> to openwrt. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Michael George wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> That is actually what I'm leaning towards. I just hadn't looked >>>>> into >>>>>>> which ones were compatible with 10.5 yet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, June 16, 2008 7:33 am, Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: >>>>>>>> another solution is to use a USB wireless adapter, Blekin and >>>>> DLink >>>>>>>> both make Mac compatible a/b/g cards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 15, 2008, at 9:31 PM, Michael George wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well, what I found is that there are a lot of networking >>>>>>>>> problems >>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> 10.5. Most of what I found had to do with extremely poor >>>>> performance >>>>>>>>> and continuously dropped connections. One post in particular >>>>> said >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> the Airport Extreme devices were no longer playing well with >>>>> Cicso >>>>>>>>> WAPs. >>>>>>>>> Whether the "cisco problem" extends into their Linksys >>>>>>>>> acquisitions, I >>>>>>>>> do not know. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My router is working fine, and I don't have any plans to change >>>>> it. >>>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>>> I had a greater need for the Mini to work I might try >>>>>>>>> OpenWRT, or >>>>>>> even >>>>>>>>> go back to the Linksys Firmware for the WRT54G... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Given that the 10.4 systems and WinXP were no-effort >>>>>>>>> connections, >>>>> I >>>>>>> am >>>>>>>>> inclined to blame Apple and I am hoping that a future update >>>>> might >>>>>>>>> resolve the issue. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Karl Schuttler wrote: >>>>>>>>>> It might be worthwhile to see if the problem exists in >>>>>>>>>> OpenWRT, >>>>>>>>>> another linux firmware for the WRT line. OpenWRT isn't tough, >>>>>>>>>> especially if you've done any networking in linux, but it is >>>>> mostly >>>>>>>>>> command line (no web gui out of the box). It may be the >>>>>>>>>> easiest >>>>>>>>>> migration to make it work, if you find that others aren't >>>>> running >>>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>>> this issue. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Michael George >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, those bastards. This is not an isolated dd-wrt issue, >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>> happening to many people with the Airport Extreme devices >>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>> 10.5. >>>>>>>>>>> It was a problem at 10.5.1 (but not under 10.4) and still is >>>>> now. >>>>>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>>>>> aren't giving it attention because they made it work with >>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>> WAPs. >>>>>>>>>>> If it doesn't work with Ciscos, they don't seem to care. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have connected my iBook (10.4) with no hesitation. I have >>>>>>>>>>> connected >>>>>>>>>>> Windows XP with no problem. The software running in dd-wrt >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>> wide use and I'm sure if there were problems with it meeting >>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> standards of 802.11b/g, they would get fixed. However, Apple >>>>>>>>>>> adopted an >>>>>>>>>>> unfinished (beta) spec (802.11n) and put it into production >>>>>>>>>>> hardware. >>>>>>>>>>> Internal to the computer, no less. When it isn't backwards >>>>>>>>>>> compatible >>>>>>>>>>> their best answer (not that they gave one) is "spend several >>>>>>>>>>> hundred $$ >>>>>>>>>>> and get one of *our* WAPs". >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If you think dd-wrt is such junk, then why don't you download >>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> latest >>>>>>>>>>> linksys firmware and install it on your router? When you do, >>>>>>> please >>>>>>>>>>> tell me if your problem goes away... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Those bastards? I blame your crappy Open Source driven >>>>>>>>>>>> router, >>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>> the same issue with my WRT54GL w/ DD-WRT is junk too... You >>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>> what u >>>>>>>>>>>> pay for... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 14, 2008, at 9:20 PM, Michael George wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, no go on either of these. I can set up an ad-hoc >>>>> network >>>>>>>>>>>>> with my >>>>>>>>>>>>> iBook and an original AirPort card (802.11b?), but it keeps >>>>>>>>>>>>> getting >>>>>>>>>>>>> connection timeouts to the Linksys/dd-wrt WAP. I am not >>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>>> to spend >>>>>>>>>>>>> $300 for a Apple WAP to connect this thing. Those bastards >>>>> make >>>>>>>>>>>>> incompatible hard/firmware and expect me to spend more $$ >>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>> them? No >>>>>>>>>>>>> way. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sean O'Malley wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesnt really seem to be a related issue, but the early >>>>> 2006 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> minis >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a firmware update for them. It is called >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Mac mini early 2006 SMC Firmware >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A more related fix would be: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=4993837 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alright, so we know that after updated to 10.5.2 people >>>>>>>>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>>> having >>>>>>>>>>>>>> trouble with Airport. I was one of them, and I figured it >>>>> out. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> what I did: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Navigate to Library\Preferences\SystemConfiguration >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Locate com.apple.airport.preferences.plist >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Drag it to trash >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Hit the spotlight, type in "Keychain Access" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a) Remove all passwords to every network >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *now I don't know if that's necessary, but I did it, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked* >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Restart Leopard >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. Connect to a network and you should be problem free >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> By deleting com.apple.airport.preferences.plist and >>>>> restarting >>>>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>>>> system, you are allowing Leopard to create the new 10.5.2 >>>>> file. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> My theory is, is that the two conflicted with each other >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> copied properly, and thats why some people had the problem >>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my guess is you just need to axe the password to the >>>>> airport. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That at least lets you start the config from scratch. :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sean >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> -M >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> There are 10 kinds of people in this world: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> -M >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There are 10 kinds of people in this world: >>>>>>>>>>> Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> -M >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There are 10 kinds of people in this world: >>>>>>>>> Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Michael George >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Michael George >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -Michael George >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -Michael George >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From rick at divinesymphony.net Mon Jul 7 23:34:07 2008 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 23:34:07 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Anyone with experience with Macs and AirPort Extreme? In-Reply-To: References: <60134.74.204.24.74.1213642984.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> <100a43e48c7a5bf5a03ddb7d5717b4be.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> Message-ID: <4872E02F.6020801@divinesymphony.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: | Again, you are setting yourself for failure. The WRT54GL is buggy, | even worse when used with DDWRT. | Give up and get a descent router. My recomendation is an Airport | Extreme, but if you'd like to save some cash, get a cheap Netgear N | router... Overall, the WRT54GL is a pretty good router, and contains some pretty impressive features. Even if Apple is 100% to spec (doubtful), the fact that it works with everything else implies that only Apple is likely doing something different (whether technically allowed or not, the behavior would still be non-standard). I'd recommend you use OpenWRT instead of DDWRT though. Basically, OpenWRT is the original reference OSS firmware, and DDWRT is a clone. DDWRT has been under a lot of heat in the past for not releasing changes back to the community. Many people on this list, including myself and several from Ideal Solutions are running WRT54G(L) units with OpenWRT and we haven't been having issues with our machines. Feature-wise, any router Apple releases don't even come close to what you can do with an OpenWRT (the same is true of any mass-market router targeted at the home user). Typical OpenWRT routers have a feature set consistent with the $15k+ commercial routers, but they just can't handle the speed or volume of connections (neither of which typically matters to even a high-end home user). -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mandriva - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIcuArUMkt1ZRwL1MRArgEAJ9d2vo/DxIGIAq+cU4sxTfzdfbEigCfYvM/ /VQzM5B2ynLm6HuQ4ClftyY= =ffBV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rick at divinesymphony.net Mon Jul 7 23:36:22 2008 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 23:36:22 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Anyone with experience with Macs and AirPort Extreme? In-Reply-To: <984d708a0807071942x3fbfa1edqecf0719189d7cc5@mail.gmail.com> References: <60134.74.204.24.74.1213642984.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> <100a43e48c7a5bf5a03ddb7d5717b4be.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> <984d708a0807071942x3fbfa1edqecf0719189d7cc5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4872E0B6.2000900@divinesymphony.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 If you REALLY want to go back at Eduardo, just make sure to post when you swap your Apple System to an AMD based Linux one :). Bonus points if you mount it inside an Apple case. Karl Schuttler wrote: | Oke-doke, non-biased Apple employee. | | On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 10:24 PM, Eduardo Cesconetto | wrote: |> Again, you are setting yourself for failure. The WRT54GL is buggy, |> even worse when used with DDWRT. |> Give up and get a descent router. My recomendation is an Airport |> Extreme, but if you'd like to save some cash, get a cheap Netgear N |> router... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mandriva - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIcuC1UMkt1ZRwL1MRApBDAJ9R6vcsvrUayMbdhiJoxCsM13watgCdHLAJ aW42ilgNYLawah20CbFaA+U= =UwvC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From marr at copper.net Mon Jul 7 23:55:32 2008 From: marr at copper.net (Marr) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 23:55:32 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] OT: workgroup printers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200807072355.32800.marr@copper.net> On Thursday 03 July 2008 10:29am, Mark Szidik/mlc wrote: > Our venerable 2001 HP 4100 is ready to be retired, and I am wondering what > I should replace it with. > > The safe answer is a HP 3005x b&w laser. > > But I am wondering about the Xerox Phaser solid-ink color printers. Anyone > have experience with them? Are they as reliable as a HP laser over 7 > years? Hi Mark, It's been a long time (about 15 years) since I used a Phaser solid-ink color printer. Back then, they were still known by the "Tektronix" name (whose printer division was bought out by Xerox sometime around 2000). I used a "Phaser III PXi" model back then. I still have a few of the (multi-color) printed sheets. Things have undoubtedly improved somewhat since then, but what I recall was the long time (about 10-15 minutes, IIRC) it took (after 1st power-up) for the wax sticks to heat up and melt enough to be ready to print. If you leave the printer on all day, it's not an issue. There was also a lot of wax waste (in a little pull-out drawer in the back, IIRC) because the printer was very infrequently used and got turned on and off each time, wasting wax every time that happened. On the plus side, the color output is nice. In fact, back in 1993, I'd have said "outstanding", given the era (when color lasers didn't really exist, at least not at any comparable price point). A minor drawback is that the waxy output on the pages is somewhat easily scratched off -- I just did it with a fingernail, on one of the color sheets I still have. Unfortunately, I have no information on reliability. While it had beautiful color output, the printer was just not practical for anything but special uses and it didn't get used enough to justify its existence, so it eventually disappeared. For a high-volume output printer, I cannot imagine that it would be very practical, even today, even assuming that some of the shortcomings have been addressed. Cost-per-page was very high back then. But I think there was a time when Tektronix offered black wax blocks for free, to encourage solid-ink printer purchases/use. The idea was to get people to use the printers to print basic B&W text-based documents instead of using a laser. I cannot imagine that ever went over very well. Lasers just beat the pants off the solid-ink printers for basic text. I guess it depends on what you really want -- nice shiny, glossy, waxy color pages or a basic workhorse. I'm a little perplexed that you're even considering a solid-ink printer if any B&W laser is an alternative. To me, color output would be the only possible advantage of a solid-ink printer, but maybe that equation has changed in the last 15 years. :^) On Monday 07 July 2008 9:23pm, Richard Houser wrote: > I can't speak for long-term reliability, but the printouts were > definitely different. They looked very good, but were a bit shiny (I > think, been almost 4 years since I've seen it now). I heard from > co-workers that the dye, wax, or whatever else you want to call it had a > tendency to flake off under certain conditions. I would agree with all of that. Except that, in my case, I've had no flaking-off of the wax, even after 15 years. But those pages were not under harsh conditions in any form either -- i.e. normal humidity, no direct sunlight, etc. For the last 9+ years, I've used a Tektronix color laser (Phaser 740) and I like it far more than the solid-ink (i.e. wax) printer of the early- to mid-90s. The color is great and there's no way to scratch the page and damage the image or text. I've had to replace the clutch which feeds the paper, but other than that, it's worked fine (under light usage, admittedly). I really don't see any disadvantages to a color laser (assuming you even need color). And the price has come down remarkably in the last 10 years. HTH.... Bill Marr From rick at divinesymphony.net Tue Jul 8 00:05:33 2008 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 00:05:33 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] OT: workgroup printers In-Reply-To: <200807072355.32800.marr@copper.net> References: <200807072355.32800.marr@copper.net> Message-ID: <4872E78D.5060705@divinesymphony.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 | I really don't see any disadvantages to a color laser (assuming you even need | color). And the price has come down remarkably in the last 10 years. I can't believe I forgot to mention this, but inkjets are also a competitor now. The inkjet sitting next to me is rated at 37 pages a minute black, and 34 pages a minute color. I've only used it lightly, but aside from some minor paper feed problems in the bulk tray, it's worked fairly well. The model I have is an HP OfficeJet K550 w/ the duplexer, ethernet connection, and bulk tray (holds somewhere around 500-600 sheets between the two trays). I think I got a refurbished one for about $160ish almost 20 months ago. HP says the ink is less expensive than the color laserjets (separate carts for each color, and separate printheads, but I haven't looked at it). It's rated at something like 5k pages a month duty cycle and a full set of the large HP inks costs just under $100 online after shipping (~60mL black, 21mL each color). -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mandriva - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIcueMUMkt1ZRwL1MRAl9gAKCQhFlJMJzUHBeuqkBJk/e3a8N+JgCeLbFa HCLzvRKOgI3cN/QekFlghBA= =ZyRF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From george at idealso.com Tue Jul 8 08:18:26 2008 From: george at idealso.com (Michael George) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 08:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] Anyone with experience with Macs and AirPort Extreme? In-Reply-To: References: <60134.74.204.24.74.1213642984.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> <100a43e48c7a5bf5a03ddb7d5717b4be.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> Message-ID: <28eec9eda7d73da3f618827ca3870562.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> Nothing says interoperability like mandated homogeneous networks. On Mon, July 7, 2008 10:24 pm, Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: > Again, you are setting yourself for failure. The WRT54GL is buggy, > even worse when used with DDWRT. > Give up and get a descent router. My recomendation is an Airport > Extreme, but if you'd like to save some cash, get a cheap Netgear N > router... > > On Jul 7, 2008, at 4:01 PM, Michael George wrote: > >> Well, for anyone who cares about this thread, the "fix" didn't. It >> helped >> a bit, but the connection would just drop without reason. We moved >> the >> computer to the other side of the room to hopefully get better >> reception, >> but it is still unreliable at best. >> >> We could sit there with a fill signal indicated and start browsing >> and the >> signal would drop to nothing and get dropped. It might not >> reconnect for >> hours, no matter what I did. Sometimes I'd come home from work and my >> wife would be mad that she couldn't get on all day and I'll wake it >> up and >> it'll have full strength signal and stay like that for hours. >> >> The iBook, on the other hand (with an original airport card) will >> connect >> readily from anywhere in the house and maintain that awesome >> signal. So >> it's not interference or a flakey WAP. The only thing it *could* be >> is >> that 802.11b is more reliable than the 802.11g. >> >> So, I've given up. Newegg has a special on Linksys WRT54GL routers >> (free >> shipping, $50, and a $10 rebate on top of that) so I'm just getting >> another one. I'll put that one in place to see if that might be the >> issue, but I doubt it is. After that test, I'll use one of them as >> the >> WAP and router and the other as a bridge. It's $10 more than trying >> an >> 802.11 USB key, but it also gives me a second router on hand in case >> the >> primary should fail and another unit to use for firmware updates. >> >> On Mon, June 16, 2008 3:03 pm, Michael George wrote: >>> Tried turning off the authentication. Didn't help. >>> >>> I found a fix, though! In reading and reading and reading, I saw a >>> reference to how some people "fixed" the problem by activating and >>> then >>> deactivating IPv6. I figured it was worth a try... and it did! >>> >>> On Mon, June 16, 2008 2:53 pm, Sean O'Malley wrote: >>>> My bad. I read what you said incorrectly about the intermittant >>>> connections. :) >>>> >>>> From what I just read it appears it is an authentication/ >>>> authorization >>>> issue and there are firmware upgrades from linksys.. dd-wrt probably >>>> hasnt >>>> fixed it yet. >>>> >>>> If you turn off auth on the router, it supposedly works. >>>> >>>> *shrugs* >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Michael George wrote: >>>> >>>>> The GL has more RAM than the current G's do, not less. >>>>> >>>>> I haven't had *any* problems at all with 10.4, only with 10.5. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, June 16, 2008 11:43 am, Sean O'Malley wrote: >>>>>> Im cheap I guess. I would try changing the firmware on the router >>>>> first. >>>>>> >>>>>> Weren't those the routers that had like 1/2 as much ram as the G >>>>> series >>>>>> and a few other shortcuts to drop the price? >>>>>> >>>>>> I am just thinking if you are trying to squeeze a gui and >>>>>> software on >>>>> a >>>>>> smaller space, you might actually drop a few things along the way >>>>> just >>>>> to >>>>>> squeeze it on. >>>>>> >>>>>> The fact it doesnt really work with 10.4 (it is flaky) and it >>>>>> doesnt >>>>> work >>>>>> at all with 10.5 and other people are just having flaky issues >>>>>> with >>>>> 10.5, >>>>>> leads me to think something else might be wrong. I would triple >>>>>> check >>>>> my >>>>>> configs and make sure im running the latest known to work >>>>>> version of >>>>> the >>>>>> firmware. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have also heard of numerous issues with dd-wrt and people have >>>>> switched >>>>>> to openwrt. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Michael George wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> That is actually what I'm leaning towards. I just hadn't looked >>>>> into >>>>>>> which ones were compatible with 10.5 yet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, June 16, 2008 7:33 am, Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: >>>>>>>> another solution is to use a USB wireless adapter, Blekin and >>>>> DLink >>>>>>>> both make Mac compatible a/b/g cards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 15, 2008, at 9:31 PM, Michael George wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well, what I found is that there are a lot of networking >>>>>>>>> problems >>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> 10.5. Most of what I found had to do with extremely poor >>>>> performance >>>>>>>>> and continuously dropped connections. One post in particular >>>>> said >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> the Airport Extreme devices were no longer playing well with >>>>> Cicso >>>>>>>>> WAPs. >>>>>>>>> Whether the "cisco problem" extends into their Linksys >>>>>>>>> acquisitions, I >>>>>>>>> do not know. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My router is working fine, and I don't have any plans to change >>>>> it. >>>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>>> I had a greater need for the Mini to work I might try >>>>>>>>> OpenWRT, or >>>>>>> even >>>>>>>>> go back to the Linksys Firmware for the WRT54G... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Given that the 10.4 systems and WinXP were no-effort >>>>>>>>> connections, >>>>> I >>>>>>> am >>>>>>>>> inclined to blame Apple and I am hoping that a future update >>>>> might >>>>>>>>> resolve the issue. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Karl Schuttler wrote: >>>>>>>>>> It might be worthwhile to see if the problem exists in >>>>>>>>>> OpenWRT, >>>>>>>>>> another linux firmware for the WRT line. OpenWRT isn't tough, >>>>>>>>>> especially if you've done any networking in linux, but it is >>>>> mostly >>>>>>>>>> command line (no web gui out of the box). It may be the >>>>>>>>>> easiest >>>>>>>>>> migration to make it work, if you find that others aren't >>>>> running >>>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>>> this issue. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Michael George >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, those bastards. This is not an isolated dd-wrt issue, >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>> happening to many people with the Airport Extreme devices >>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>> 10.5. >>>>>>>>>>> It was a problem at 10.5.1 (but not under 10.4) and still is >>>>> now. >>>>>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>>>>> aren't giving it attention because they made it work with >>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>> WAPs. >>>>>>>>>>> If it doesn't work with Ciscos, they don't seem to care. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have connected my iBook (10.4) with no hesitation. I have >>>>>>>>>>> connected >>>>>>>>>>> Windows XP with no problem. The software running in dd-wrt >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>> wide use and I'm sure if there were problems with it meeting >>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> standards of 802.11b/g, they would get fixed. However, Apple >>>>>>>>>>> adopted an >>>>>>>>>>> unfinished (beta) spec (802.11n) and put it into production >>>>>>>>>>> hardware. >>>>>>>>>>> Internal to the computer, no less. When it isn't backwards >>>>>>>>>>> compatible >>>>>>>>>>> their best answer (not that they gave one) is "spend several >>>>>>>>>>> hundred $$ >>>>>>>>>>> and get one of *our* WAPs". >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If you think dd-wrt is such junk, then why don't you download >>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> latest >>>>>>>>>>> linksys firmware and install it on your router? When you do, >>>>>>> please >>>>>>>>>>> tell me if your problem goes away... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Those bastards? I blame your crappy Open Source driven >>>>>>>>>>>> router, >>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>> the same issue with my WRT54GL w/ DD-WRT is junk too... You >>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>> what u >>>>>>>>>>>> pay for... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 14, 2008, at 9:20 PM, Michael George wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, no go on either of these. I can set up an ad-hoc >>>>> network >>>>>>>>>>>>> with my >>>>>>>>>>>>> iBook and an original AirPort card (802.11b?), but it keeps >>>>>>>>>>>>> getting >>>>>>>>>>>>> connection timeouts to the Linksys/dd-wrt WAP. I am not >>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>>> to spend >>>>>>>>>>>>> $300 for a Apple WAP to connect this thing. Those bastards >>>>> make >>>>>>>>>>>>> incompatible hard/firmware and expect me to spend more $$ >>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>> them? No >>>>>>>>>>>>> way. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sean O'Malley wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesnt really seem to be a related issue, but the early >>>>> 2006 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> minis >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a firmware update for them. It is called >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Mac mini early 2006 SMC Firmware >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A more related fix would be: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=4993837 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alright, so we know that after updated to 10.5.2 people >>>>>>>>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>>> having >>>>>>>>>>>>>> trouble with Airport. I was one of them, and I figured it >>>>> out. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> what I did: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Navigate to Library\Preferences\SystemConfiguration >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Locate com.apple.airport.preferences.plist >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Drag it to trash >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Hit the spotlight, type in "Keychain Access" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a) Remove all passwords to every network >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *now I don't know if that's necessary, but I did it, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked* >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Restart Leopard >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. Connect to a network and you should be problem free >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> By deleting com.apple.airport.preferences.plist and >>>>> restarting >>>>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>>>> system, you are allowing Leopard to create the new 10.5.2 >>>>> file. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>