From eduardo at cesconetto.com Tue Jul 1 08:50:31 2008 From: eduardo at cesconetto.com (Eduardo Cesconetto) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 08:50:31 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Ideal Solutions / ACD.net In-Reply-To: <48699DE4.4050701@gmail.com> References: <48641F20.6060409@msu.edu> <48659A0A.5040404@divinesymphony.net> <8e690af80806271942x31bb5ec5jc8fc3aebab891a38@mail.gmail.com> <4865ACA7.7010509@divinesymphony.net> <549C4D03-6961-4E42-96B4-7F79FFF927DB@cesconetto.com> <48699DE4.4050701@gmail.com> Message-ID: <645C1676-4AB5-4D73-AF9E-CE4F44F846B7@cesconetto.com> Yes, they do. On Jun 30, 2008, at 11:00 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > Do they have wireless? > > Chick > > > Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: >> I got the solution: >> I spoke to the owner of Bell's Pizza (both Grand River and MAC >> Ave.) and he has no problem hosting our group every Thursday. >> Good food and great location, just across the MSU campus. >> you guys wanna vote on this? > > From ozugo at yahoo.com Wed Jul 2 09:47:18 2008 From: ozugo at yahoo.com (ZuG) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 06:47:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GLLUG] Apache crashing? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <947363.86791.qm@web53912.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hey guys, I'm having trouble with my apache 2.2.3 system. Installed ffmpeg, ffmpeg-php, flvtool2, and menconder to run dolphin CMS system. Now, apache is crashing randomly, perhaps 2 times a week. I turned the apache logging up fully to try to track it down, and the apache logs just don?t show anything out of the ordinary. Everything is working fine, and then nothing. Do I get to play the "uninstall stuff until it stops" game, or is there a better suggestion as to how to track this down? I'm pretty new to troubleshooting apache, though I know my way around the machine pretty well. Erica From rsmith1916 at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 12:34:53 2008 From: rsmith1916 at gmail.com (Ross Smith) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:34:53 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Apache crashing? In-Reply-To: <947363.86791.qm@web53912.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <947363.86791.qm@web53912.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 9:47 AM, ZuG wrote: > Hey guys, > > I'm having trouble with my apache 2.2.3 system. Installed ffmpeg, > ffmpeg-php, flvtool2, and menconder to run dolphin CMS system. > > Now, apache is crashing randomly, perhaps 2 times a week. I turned the > apache logging up fully to try to track it down, and the apache logs just > don?t show anything out of the ordinary. Everything is working fine, and > then nothing. > > Do I get to play the "uninstall stuff until it stops" game, or is there a > better suggestion as to how to track this down? I'm pretty new to > troubleshooting apache, though I know my way around the machine pretty well. > > > Erica Any chance you could post the apache and/or messages log file contents for the time around when the crash occurs? There may be something obscure that an extra pair of eyes might help to find. Also, is anything else crashing or just apache? There is a good chance uninstalling ffmpeg and the other programs won't help your case. If anything, I would suggest re-installing Apache if you take that route. Really though, that's a last route. Try changing some settings within apache such as the increasing the 'MaxRequestPerChild' and 'ThreadsPerChild' counts. It could be as simple as a memory issue (hopefully). -- Ross -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20080702/ac98c597/attachment.html From ozugo at yahoo.com Wed Jul 2 12:50:01 2008 From: ozugo at yahoo.com (ZuG) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GLLUG] Apache crashing? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <993030.6721.qm@web53908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Sure, here's the apache error.log. Not very interesting. The crash, according to our network monitor script, happened about 3:30. Also, the problem probably isn't ssl because I have another server crashing that doesn't have it installed. [Tue Jul 01 15:48:36 2008] [debug] ssl_engine_kernel.c(1789): OpenSSL: Exit: error in SSLv2/v3 read client hello A [Tue Jul 01 15:48:36 2008] [info] [client 69.89.98.133] SSL handshake failed: HTTP spoken on HTTPS port; trying to send HTML error page [Tue Jul 01 15:48:36 2008] [info] SSL Library Error: 336027804 error:1407609C:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_CLIENT_HELLO:http request speaking HTTP to HTTPS port!? [Tue Jul 01 23:23:59 2008] [error] [client 60.172.219.2] File does not exist: /var/www/sharedip/myproxies [Wed Jul 02 03:30:03 2008] [notice] Graceful restart requested, doing restart <-- this is our network monitoring process trying to restart the server, it failed at about this time. [Wed Jul 02 03:30:03 2008] [error] (9)Bad file descriptor: apr_socket_accept: (client socket) [Wed Jul 02 03:30:03 2008] [error] (9)Bad file descriptor: apr_socket_accept: (client socket) [Wed Jul 02 03:30:03 2008] [error] (9)Bad file descriptor: apr_socket_accept: (client socket) [Wed Jul 02 03:30:03 2008] [error] (9)Bad file descriptor: apr_socket_accept: (client socket) [Wed Jul 02 03:30:03 2008] [error] (9)Bad file descriptor: apr_socket_accept: (client socket) /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/php5/extensions/ffmpeg.so: undefined symbol: av_free_static [Wed Jul 02 03:30:04 2008] [info] mod_fcgid: Process manager 10854 stopped [Wed Jul 02 09:34:48 2008] [info] Init: Seeding PRNG with 136 bytes of entropy [Wed Jul 02 09:34:48 2008] [info] Loading certificate & private key of SSL-aware server [Wed Jul 02 09:34:48 2008] [debug] ssl_engine_pphrase.c(469): unencrypted RSA private key - pass phrase not required [Wed Jul 02 09:34:48 2008] [info] Init: Generating temporary RSA private keys (512/1024 bits) [Wed Jul 02 09:34:48 2008] [info] Init: Generating temporary DH parameters (512/1024 bits) [Wed Jul 02 09:34:48 2008] [info] Init: Initializing (virtual) servers for SSL [Wed Jul 02 09:34:48 2008] [info] Configuring server for SSL protocol --- On Wed, 7/2/08, Ross Smith wrote: > From: Ross Smith > Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Apache crashing? > To: ozugo at yahoo.com > Cc: linux-user at egr.msu.edu > Date: Wednesday, July 2, 2008, 12:34 PM > On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 9:47 AM, ZuG > wrote: > > > Hey guys, > > > > I'm having trouble with my apache 2.2.3 system. > Installed ffmpeg, > > ffmpeg-php, flvtool2, and menconder to run dolphin CMS > system. > > > > Now, apache is crashing randomly, perhaps 2 times a > week. I turned the > > apache logging up fully to try to track it down, and > the apache logs just > > don?t show anything out of the ordinary. Everything > is working fine, and > > then nothing. > > > > Do I get to play the "uninstall stuff until it > stops" game, or is there a > > better suggestion as to how to track this down? > I'm pretty new to > > troubleshooting apache, though I know my way around > the machine pretty well. > > > > > > Erica > > > Any chance you could post the apache and/or messages log > file contents for > the time around when the crash occurs? There may be > something obscure that > an extra pair of eyes might help to find. Also, is > anything else crashing > or just apache? There is a good chance uninstalling ffmpeg > and the other > programs won't help your case. If anything, I would > suggest re-installing > Apache if you take that route. Really though, that's a > last route. Try > changing some settings within apache such as the increasing > the > 'MaxRequestPerChild' and 'ThreadsPerChild' > counts. It could be as simple as > a memory issue (hopefully). > > -- Ross From rsmith1916 at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 13:01:46 2008 From: rsmith1916 at gmail.com (Ross Smith) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 13:01:46 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Apache crashing? In-Reply-To: <993030.6721.qm@web53908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <993030.6721.qm@web53908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My only suggestion, other than increasing certain counts, is try doing a full stop and start instead of a graceful restart. There was a bug not too long ago that caused the 'Bad file descriptor: apr_socket_accept:' output to the log file when a graceful restart, which when occurring, caused a lot of headaches for people trying to keep Apache up. -- Ross On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 12:50 PM, ZuG wrote: > Sure, here's the apache error.log. Not very interesting. The crash, > according to our network monitor script, happened about 3:30. > > Also, the problem probably isn't ssl because I have another server crashing > that doesn't have it installed. > > [Tue Jul 01 15:48:36 2008] [debug] ssl_engine_kernel.c(1789): OpenSSL: > Exit: error in SSLv2/v3 read client hello A > [Tue Jul 01 15:48:36 2008] [info] [client 69.89.98.133] SSL handshake > failed: HTTP spoken on HTTPS port; trying to send HTML error page > [Tue Jul 01 15:48:36 2008] [info] SSL Library Error: 336027804 > error:1407609C:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_CLIENT_HELLO:http request speaking > HTTP to HTTPS port!? > [Tue Jul 01 23:23:59 2008] [error] [client 60.172.219.2] File does not > exist: /var/www/sharedip/myproxies > [Wed Jul 02 03:30:03 2008] [notice] Graceful restart requested, doing > restart <-- this is our network monitoring process trying to restart the > server, it failed at about this time. > [Wed Jul 02 03:30:03 2008] [error] (9)Bad file descriptor: > apr_socket_accept: (client socket) > [Wed Jul 02 03:30:03 2008] [error] (9)Bad file descriptor: > apr_socket_accept: (client socket) > [Wed Jul 02 03:30:03 2008] [error] (9)Bad file descriptor: > apr_socket_accept: (client socket) > [Wed Jul 02 03:30:03 2008] [error] (9)Bad file descriptor: > apr_socket_accept: (client socket) > [Wed Jul 02 03:30:03 2008] [error] (9)Bad file descriptor: > apr_socket_accept: (client socket) > /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork: symbol lookup error: > /usr/lib/php5/extensions/ffmpeg.so: undefined symbol: av_free_static > [Wed Jul 02 03:30:04 2008] [info] mod_fcgid: Process manager 10854 stopped > [Wed Jul 02 09:34:48 2008] [info] Init: Seeding PRNG with 136 bytes of > entropy > [Wed Jul 02 09:34:48 2008] [info] Loading certificate & private key of > SSL-aware server > [Wed Jul 02 09:34:48 2008] [debug] ssl_engine_pphrase.c(469): unencrypted > RSA private key - pass phrase not required > [Wed Jul 02 09:34:48 2008] [info] Init: Generating temporary RSA private > keys (512/1024 bits) > [Wed Jul 02 09:34:48 2008] [info] Init: Generating temporary DH parameters > (512/1024 bits) > [Wed Jul 02 09:34:48 2008] [info] Init: Initializing (virtual) servers for > SSL > [Wed Jul 02 09:34:48 2008] [info] Configuring server for SSL protocol > > > > > --- On Wed, 7/2/08, Ross Smith wrote: > > > From: Ross Smith > > Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Apache crashing? > > To: ozugo at yahoo.com > > Cc: linux-user at egr.msu.edu > > Date: Wednesday, July 2, 2008, 12:34 PM > > On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 9:47 AM, ZuG > > wrote: > > > > > Hey guys, > > > > > > I'm having trouble with my apache 2.2.3 system. > > Installed ffmpeg, > > > ffmpeg-php, flvtool2, and menconder to run dolphin CMS > > system. > > > > > > Now, apache is crashing randomly, perhaps 2 times a > > week. I turned the > > > apache logging up fully to try to track it down, and > > the apache logs just > > > don?t show anything out of the ordinary. Everything > > is working fine, and > > > then nothing. > > > > > > Do I get to play the "uninstall stuff until it > > stops" game, or is there a > > > better suggestion as to how to track this down? > > I'm pretty new to > > > troubleshooting apache, though I know my way around > > the machine pretty well. > > > > > > > > > Erica > > > > > > Any chance you could post the apache and/or messages log > > file contents for > > the time around when the crash occurs? There may be > > something obscure that > > an extra pair of eyes might help to find. Also, is > > anything else crashing > > or just apache? There is a good chance uninstalling ffmpeg > > and the other > > programs won't help your case. If anything, I would > > suggest re-installing > > Apache if you take that route. Really though, that's a > > last route. Try > > changing some settings within apache such as the increasing > > the > > 'MaxRequestPerChild' and 'ThreadsPerChild' > > counts. It could be as simple as > > a memory issue (hopefully). > > > > -- Ross > > It's at the top :P -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20080702/226a0256/attachment.html From rick at divinesymphony.net Wed Jul 2 17:12:55 2008 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:12:55 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Apache crashing? In-Reply-To: <947363.86791.qm@web53912.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <947363.86791.qm@web53912.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <486BEF57.4090809@divinesymphony.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'd suggest checking your packages for corruptions (ex. verify all option with rpm) and looking in your system logs for any other package installs or updates around that time. I had a similar problem before where a small handful of servers processes would randomly crash, and it turned out one of my libraries was slightly corrupted. ZuG wrote: | Hey guys, | | I'm having trouble with my apache 2.2.3 system. Installed ffmpeg, ffmpeg-php, flvtool2, and menconder to run dolphin CMS system. | | Now, apache is crashing randomly, perhaps 2 times a week. I turned the apache logging up fully to try to track it down, and the apache logs just don?t show anything out of the ordinary. Everything is working fine, and then nothing. | | Do I get to play the "uninstall stuff until it stops" game, or is there a better suggestion as to how to track this down? I'm pretty new to troubleshooting apache, though I know my way around the machine pretty well. | | | Erica | | | | | _______________________________________________ | linux-user mailing list | linux-user at egr.msu.edu | http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mandriva - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIa+9PUMkt1ZRwL1MRApGjAJ9gpgM6ZLFXJ5pJKSmNH1mvKRAyUACfdwys r/qqitpQkVQboSnEt0NWSTg= =Fa8/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From clay at lazarusid.com Wed Jul 2 21:46:49 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:46:49 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Apache crashing? In-Reply-To: <993030.6721.qm@web53908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <993030.6721.qm@web53908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <486C2F89.6030908@lazarusid.com> ZuG wrote: > /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/php5/extensions/ffmpeg.so: undefined symbol: av_free_static > [Wed Jul 02 03:30:04 2008] [info] mod_fcgid: Process manager 10854 stopped > I don't know if this is the culprit, but this isn't good. I'd pull out ffmpeg at minimum and see how that goes. The try fastcgi if you get no results from ffmpeg coming out. You don't have to uninstall the package though, simply removing it from the configuration of apache and/or php should be sufficient. Clay From clay at lazarusid.com Wed Jul 2 21:50:38 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:50:38 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] July 3 Meeting Message-ID: <486C306E.9010003@lazarusid.com> My understanding at this point is that we're still meeting at Ideal Solution. Am I correct, or will I be sitting in the parking lot by myself? Clay From SzidikM at mlcnet.org Thu Jul 3 10:29:42 2008 From: SzidikM at mlcnet.org (Mark Szidik/mlc) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:29:42 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] OT: workgroup printers Message-ID: Our venerable 2001 HP 4100 is ready to be retired, and I am wondering what I should replace it with. The safe answer is a HP 3005x b&w laser. But I am wondering about the Xerox Phaser solid-ink color printers. Anyone have experience with them? Are they as reliable as a HP laser over 7 years? Thanks, --- Mark Szidik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20080703/89740074/attachment.html From rexykik at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 10:49:46 2008 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:49:46 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Binding interfaces to eachother Message-ID: <984d708a0807030749k686b7f34j8ebf4579e2418e10@mail.gmail.com> I have a IP phone that requires that i run an extra cable to my switch. I remember at Penguincon we were trying to use some application to bind the wireless interface on a laptop to its ethernet port so we could feed the network from the wireless; does anyone remember the name of that application? (for some reason i feel that it has 'fire' in the name). My motherboard has two ethernet interfaces...does it seem likely that i could just bind the second, unused one, to my first one so that I don't have to have a second ethernet cable running across my room and instead just plug the ip phone into my second interface? From george at idealso.com Thu Jul 3 11:04:07 2008 From: george at idealso.com (Michael George) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 11:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] Binding interfaces to eachother In-Reply-To: <984d708a0807030749k686b7f34j8ebf4579e2418e10@mail.gmail.com> References: <984d708a0807030749k686b7f34j8ebf4579e2418e10@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <208b775633f7015707c0f2692e8a2547.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> On Thu, July 3, 2008 10:49 am, Karl Schuttler wrote: > I have a IP phone that requires that i run an extra cable to my > switch. I'm guessing by this you mean that the IP phone doesn't have a mini-hub in it? If it does, then go to the phone and then into your computer? -Michael George From rexykik at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 11:07:10 2008 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 11:07:10 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Binding interfaces to eachother In-Reply-To: <208b775633f7015707c0f2692e8a2547.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> References: <984d708a0807030749k686b7f34j8ebf4579e2418e10@mail.gmail.com> <208b775633f7015707c0f2692e8a2547.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> Message-ID: <984d708a0807030807m16ab72ane6044a47e522688f@mail.gmail.com> The device is a Linksys/Cisco PAP2. It has a RJ45 jack and two RJ11's for telephone lines. On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Michael George wrote: > On Thu, July 3, 2008 10:49 am, Karl Schuttler wrote: >> I have a IP phone that requires that i run an extra cable to my >> switch. > > I'm guessing by this you mean that the IP phone doesn't have a mini-hub in > it? If it does, then go to the phone and then into your computer? > > -Michael George > From marshal at freedombi.com Thu Jul 3 11:11:51 2008 From: marshal at freedombi.com (Marshal Newrock) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 11:11:51 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Binding interfaces to eachother In-Reply-To: <984d708a0807030749k686b7f34j8ebf4579e2418e10@mail.gmail.com> References: <984d708a0807030749k686b7f34j8ebf4579e2418e10@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080703111151.3e330e33@osiris> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:49:46 -0400 "Karl Schuttler" wrote: > I have a IP phone that requires that i run an extra cable to my > switch. I remember at Penguincon we were trying to use some > application to bind the wireless interface on a laptop to its ethernet > port so we could feed the network from the wireless; does anyone > remember the name of that application? (for some reason i feel that it > has 'fire' in the name). My motherboard has two ethernet > interfaces...does it seem likely that i could just bind the second, > unused one, to my first one so that I don't have to have a second > ethernet cable running across my room and instead just plug the ip > phone into my second interface? I'm guessing the application was probably something like firestarter, which is a firewall configuration program. It sounds like what you're trying to do is to bridge the two interfaces. -- Marshal Newrock 517-679-0699 x223 FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20080703/46024cf1/attachment.bin From marshal at freedombi.com Thu Jul 3 11:15:31 2008 From: marshal at freedombi.com (Marshal Newrock) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 11:15:31 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Apache crashing? In-Reply-To: <947363.86791.qm@web53912.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <947363.86791.qm@web53912.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080703111531.2f0a316e@osiris> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 06:47:18 -0700 (PDT) ZuG wrote: > Hey guys, > > I'm having trouble with my apache 2.2.3 system. Installed ffmpeg, > ffmpeg-php, flvtool2, and menconder to run dolphin CMS system. > > Now, apache is crashing randomly, perhaps 2 times a week. I turned > the apache logging up fully to try to track it down, and the apache > logs just don?t show anything out of the ordinary. Everything is > working fine, and then nothing. > > Do I get to play the "uninstall stuff until it stops" game, or is > there a better suggestion as to how to track this down? I'm pretty > new to troubleshooting apache, though I know my way around the > machine pretty well. If this is still giving you problems, I'd check the kernel logs to see if there's any crashes recorded. dmesg will tell this, but without timestamps, so hopefully it's also logged to a file with timestamps. Then you can compare that and see what was requested at the time. I've found apache logs are useful for figuring things out when things are working properly, but not so good for when things are broken. -- Marshal Newrock 517-679-0699 x223 FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20080703/12b5a312/attachment.bin From rexykik at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 11:21:41 2008 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 11:21:41 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Binding interfaces to eachother In-Reply-To: <20080703111151.3e330e33@osiris> References: <984d708a0807030749k686b7f34j8ebf4579e2418e10@mail.gmail.com> <20080703111151.3e330e33@osiris> Message-ID: <984d708a0807030821x3a96eabdtfb5f05c6f3cf788c@mail.gmail.com> I knew the word started with a 'b'. 2008/7/3 Marshal Newrock : > On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:49:46 -0400 > "Karl Schuttler" wrote: > >> I have a IP phone that requires that i run an extra cable to my >> switch. I remember at Penguincon we were trying to use some >> application to bind the wireless interface on a laptop to its ethernet >> port so we could feed the network from the wireless; does anyone >> remember the name of that application? (for some reason i feel that it >> has 'fire' in the name). My motherboard has two ethernet >> interfaces...does it seem likely that i could just bind the second, >> unused one, to my first one so that I don't have to have a second >> ethernet cable running across my room and instead just plug the ip >> phone into my second interface? > > I'm guessing the application was probably something like firestarter, > which is a firewall configuration program. It sounds like what you're > trying to do is to bridge the two interfaces. > > -- > Marshal Newrock > 517-679-0699 x223 > FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > From rexykik at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 11:37:07 2008 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 11:37:07 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Binding interfaces to eachother In-Reply-To: <984d708a0807030821x3a96eabdtfb5f05c6f3cf788c@mail.gmail.com> References: <984d708a0807030749k686b7f34j8ebf4579e2418e10@mail.gmail.com> <20080703111151.3e330e33@osiris> <984d708a0807030821x3a96eabdtfb5f05c6f3cf788c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <984d708a0807030837q77a961c2kb81102343ba9faf5@mail.gmail.com> Think i need a crossover cable between my computer and the pap2? On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Karl Schuttler wrote: > I knew the word started with a 'b'. > > 2008/7/3 Marshal Newrock : >> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:49:46 -0400 >> "Karl Schuttler" wrote: >> >>> I have a IP phone that requires that i run an extra cable to my >>> switch. I remember at Penguincon we were trying to use some >>> application to bind the wireless interface on a laptop to its ethernet >>> port so we could feed the network from the wireless; does anyone >>> remember the name of that application? (for some reason i feel that it >>> has 'fire' in the name). My motherboard has two ethernet >>> interfaces...does it seem likely that i could just bind the second, >>> unused one, to my first one so that I don't have to have a second >>> ethernet cable running across my room and instead just plug the ip >>> phone into my second interface? >> >> I'm guessing the application was probably something like firestarter, >> which is a firewall configuration program. It sounds like what you're >> trying to do is to bridge the two interfaces. >> >> -- >> Marshal Newrock >> 517-679-0699 x223 >> FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> >> > From bbartilson at comcast.net Thu Jul 3 13:00:06 2008 From: bbartilson at comcast.net (Bill Bartilson) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 13:00:06 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Binding interfaces to eachother In-Reply-To: <984d708a0807030837q77a961c2kb81102343ba9faf5@mail.gmail.com> References: <984d708a0807030749k686b7f34j8ebf4579e2418e10@mail.gmail.com> <20080703111151.3e330e33@osiris> <984d708a0807030821x3a96eabdtfb5f05c6f3cf788c@mail.gmail.com> <984d708a0807030837q77a961c2kb81102343ba9faf5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, you would. While it's possible that your motherboard's port could configure itself either way (cross or straight) it's better to stick to convention. -B On Jul 3, 2008, at 11:37 AM, Karl Schuttler wrote: > Think i need a crossover cable between my computer and the pap2? From mortel at cyber-nos.com Thu Jul 3 13:42:09 2008 From: mortel at cyber-nos.com (Stanley C. Mortel) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:42:09 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] SSH problem Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.1.20080703133314.00be19f8@pop.cyber-nos.com> I'm having some trouble shelling into a remote server. Sometimes it just won't connect, and when it does, if I don't keep up some activity, it seems to lose the connection. I'll go to type something on the command line and nothing happens. I have to close the terminal window and reconnect. When I do that, it looks like I'm in another session, since the up arrow brings back a different command history. I've looked at the logs but nothing is there. Even when I set the logging level higher. When I'm on-site there does not seem to be a problem. If I do X forwarding and have some graphical program open, I don't seem to lose the connection. I'm sort of at a loss here. I checked the remote firewalls (there are two on that end), but didn't find anything that suggested they were terminating a connection, or even that there was a setting to control such a thing. I uninstalled and reinstalled openssh client and server, and openssl. Is it possible that their ISP is doing something funny? There have been some intermittent issues with slow network response there, that I'm still troubleshooting, but again, when I'm there I don't lose the connection. Any ideas? Thanks in advance. Stan **************************** Stan Mortel mortel at cyber-nos.com **************************** From rexykik at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 13:59:36 2008 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 13:59:36 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] SSH problem In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.1.20080703133314.00be19f8@pop.cyber-nos.com> References: <5.2.1.1.1.20080703133314.00be19f8@pop.cyber-nos.com> Message-ID: <984d708a0807031059u73eba2c3xec8c27d4714a599a@mail.gmail.com> You may want to look at the timeout on the session for when it drops; you might also look into the program spinner, which just displays that loading spinner graphic so it doesn't close down. A work around for the bash history file might be opening a screen on the remote host and just disconnecting the screen every time you're done and then disconnecting from the ssh session, and then reattaching to the screen whenever you connect. I don't know how cheap the firewalls are, but I've had troubles with consumer products (ie Belkin wireless home routers with firewalls) getting throttled by anything other than port 80 traffic. Another option might be to set up ssh keys and just have the remote server keep a reverse ssh session open to your box. This might bypass any foolishness the ISP is doing. Example: on the remote server: ssh -R highport:localhost:22 youruser at yourcomputer -X When you want to connect to it: ssh remoteuser at localhost -p highport On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Stanley C. Mortel wrote: > I'm having some trouble shelling into a remote server. Sometimes it just > won't connect, and when it does, if I don't keep up some activity, it seems > to lose the connection. I'll go to type something on the command line and > nothing happens. I have to close the terminal window and reconnect. When > I do that, it looks like I'm in another session, since the up arrow brings > back a different command history. I've looked at the logs but nothing is > there. Even when I set the logging level higher. When I'm on-site there > does not seem to be a problem. If I do X forwarding and have some > graphical program open, I don't seem to lose the connection. > > I'm sort of at a loss here. I checked the remote firewalls (there are two > on that end), but didn't find anything that suggested they were terminating > a connection, or even that there was a setting to control such a thing. I > uninstalled and reinstalled openssh client and server, and openssl. Is it > possible that their ISP is doing something funny? There have been some > intermittent issues with slow network response there, that I'm still > troubleshooting, but again, when I'm there I don't lose the connection. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks in advance. > > Stan > > **************************** > Stan Mortel > mortel at cyber-nos.com > **************************** > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From george at idealso.com Thu Jul 3 14:01:44 2008 From: george at idealso.com (Michael George) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 14:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] SSH problem In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.1.20080703133314.00be19f8@pop.cyber-nos.com> References: <5.2.1.1.1.20080703133314.00be19f8@pop.cyber-nos.com> Message-ID: <2a27e1d84e088b9484f340b82e58d34b.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> The first thing you could do is use "screen" to keep a terminal session present on the destination system in case you start up something big and get disconnected from it. The you can just "screen -r" to get it back when you reconnect. As for why it's happening... I'm sure there are others on this list who have a better understanding of the intricacies of SSH and can speculate on the problem. On Thu, July 3, 2008 1:42 pm, Stanley C. Mortel wrote: > I'm having some trouble shelling into a remote server. Sometimes it just > won't connect, and when it does, if I don't keep up some activity, it > seems > to lose the connection. I'll go to type something on the command line and > nothing happens. I have to close the terminal window and reconnect. When > I do that, it looks like I'm in another session, since the up arrow brings > back a different command history. I've looked at the logs but nothing is > there. Even when I set the logging level higher. When I'm on-site there > does not seem to be a problem. If I do X forwarding and have some > graphical program open, I don't seem to lose the connection. > > I'm sort of at a loss here. I checked the remote firewalls (there are two > on that end), but didn't find anything that suggested they were > terminating > a connection, or even that there was a setting to control such a thing. I > uninstalled and reinstalled openssh client and server, and openssl. Is it > possible that their ISP is doing something funny? There have been some > intermittent issues with slow network response there, that I'm still > troubleshooting, but again, when I'm there I don't lose the connection. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks in advance. > > Stan > > **************************** > Stan Mortel > mortel at cyber-nos.com > **************************** -Michael George From rexykik at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 14:02:27 2008 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 14:02:27 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] OT: .22 handguns Message-ID: <984d708a0807031102y6d224b39i7e1418a9db628d1b@mail.gmail.com> I know some of you have a collection of firearms; I've recently been contemplating a purchase of a .22 handgun. People seem to say that the Ruger Mark II's are the way to go. If you happen to own a .22 handgun, MkII or otherwise, I would very much like to give it a shot. If you have prior experience with these weapons and have an opinion on a good model (bargain ammo compatible) I would like to hear what you have to say. From charles at bityard.net Thu Jul 3 16:54:01 2008 From: charles at bityard.net (Charles Ulrich) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:54:01 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] SSH problem In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.1.20080703133314.00be19f8@pop.cyber-nos.com> References: <5.2.1.1.1.20080703133314.00be19f8@pop.cyber-nos.com> Message-ID: <8e690af80807031354g77392e5ep49037f2c9177c167@mail.gmail.com> On 7/3/08, Stanley C. Mortel wrote: > I'm having some trouble shelling into a remote server. Sometimes it just > won't connect, and when it does, if I don't keep up some activity, it seems > to lose the connection. I'll go to type something on the command line and > nothing happens. I have to close the terminal window and reconnect. When > I do that, it looks like I'm in another session, since the up arrow brings > back a different command history. I've looked at the logs but nothing is > there. Even when I set the logging level higher. When I'm on-site there > does not seem to be a problem. If I do X forwarding and have some > graphical program open, I don't seem to lose the connection. > > I'm sort of at a loss here. I checked the remote firewalls (there are two > on that end), but didn't find anything that suggested they were terminating > a connection, or even that there was a setting to control such a thing. I > uninstalled and reinstalled openssh client and server, and openssl. Is it > possible that their ISP is doing something funny? There have been some > intermittent issues with slow network response there, that I'm still > troubleshooting, but again, when I'm there I don't lose the connection. Either your ISP or the remote location might have a router that automatically drops TCP connections (without even the courtesy of a RST packet) after they've been idle for some time. This is pretty poor policy because while it might keep their routing tables a bit cleaner, it's a pain for people who use the Internet for things besides web and email. You might try an OpenSSH setting called ClientAliveInterval in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. It sends a bit of traffic to the SSH client if the connection's been idle for a certain length of time. Charles From rexykik at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 17:41:58 2008 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 17:41:58 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Binding interfaces to eachother In-Reply-To: References: <984d708a0807030749k686b7f34j8ebf4579e2418e10@mail.gmail.com> <20080703111151.3e330e33@osiris> <984d708a0807030821x3a96eabdtfb5f05c6f3cf788c@mail.gmail.com> <984d708a0807030837q77a961c2kb81102343ba9faf5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <984d708a0807031441s1a93fd26h1799537a8e25fb87@mail.gmail.com> It took a few hours, but my system seemed to figure it out on itself and now I've got one less cable stretching from one side of my room to the other. Didn't need the crossover, either. On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Bill Bartilson wrote: > Yes, you would. > > While it's possible that your motherboard's port could configure itself > either way (cross or straight) it's better to stick to convention. > > -B > > On Jul 3, 2008, at 11:37 AM, Karl Schuttler wrote: > >> Think i need a crossover cable between my computer and the pap2? > > From c.e.tower at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 22:07:42 2008 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:07:42 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] OT: .22 handguns In-Reply-To: <984d708a0807031102y6d224b39i7e1418a9db628d1b@mail.gmail.com> References: <984d708a0807031102y6d224b39i7e1418a9db628d1b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <486D85EE.6080607@gmail.com> That EMU is a rough place, eh, Karl? What distro do you plan to install on it? Chick Karl Schuttler wrote: > I know some of you have a collection of firearms; I've recently been > contemplating a purchase of a .22 handgun. People seem to say that the > Ruger Mark II's are the way to go. If you happen to own a .22 handgun, > MkII or otherwise, I would very much like to give it a shot. If you > have prior experience with these weapons and have an opinion on a good > model (bargain ammo compatible) I would like to hear what you have to > say. From clay at lazarusid.com Fri Jul 4 10:48:18 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:48:18 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] OT: .22 handguns In-Reply-To: <984d708a0807031102y6d224b39i7e1418a9db628d1b@mail.gmail.com> References: <984d708a0807031102y6d224b39i7e1418a9db628d1b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <486E3832.10106@lazarusid.com> Karl Schuttler wrote: > I know some of you have a collection of firearms; I've recently been > contemplating a purchase of a .22 handgun. People seem to say that the > Ruger Mark II's are the way to go. If you happen to own a .22 handgun, > MkII or otherwise, I would very much like to give it a shot. If you > have prior experience with these weapons and have an opinion on a good > model (bargain ammo compatible) I would like to hear what you have to > say. I don't have a huge amount of experience with .22 handguns, but of the couple that I have shot, I preferred revolvers to automatics. That said, a co-worker has a Mark II and is quite fond of it. Clay From mlachniet at analysts.com Fri Jul 4 18:53:58 2008 From: mlachniet at analysts.com (Lachniet, Mark) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 18:53:58 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] OT: .22 handguns References: <984d708a0807031102y6d224b39i7e1418a9db628d1b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <877ACA86E1EAE648BF2D28ADEAA479878B1173@dtwcoexchmbx2.seqnt.com> I don't think you can go wrong with a Ruger. I personally have a Bernadelli .22 (http://securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1500/1593.htm) which I totally love, if you could find one it would be great but I'm not letting mine go ever. Its very small, very cheap to shoot, and very accurate. And it was powerful enough to cap a racoon a couple months ago - I was surprised, it actually went through a racoon and two layers of drywall before petering out and falling to the ground. Unfortunately I was suprised in a bad way because then some spackling was required :) Mark Lachniet Solutions Architect - Security Analysts International 3101 Technology Blvd. Suite A Lansing, MI 48910 (517) 336-1004 (voice) mailto:mlachniet at analysts.com ________________________________ From: linux-user-bounces at egr.msu.edu on behalf of Karl Schuttler Sent: Thu 7/3/2008 2:02 PM To: linux-user at egr.msu.edu Subject: [GLLUG] OT: .22 handguns I know some of you have a collection of firearms; I've recently been contemplating a purchase of a .22 handgun. People seem to say that the Ruger Mark II's are the way to go. If you happen to own a .22 handgun, MkII or otherwise, I would very much like to give it a shot. If you have prior experience with these weapons and have an opinion on a good model (bargain ammo compatible) I would like to hear what you have to say. _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user at egr.msu.edu http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20080704/c1c962d9/attachment.html From george at idealso.com Sat Jul 5 07:56:38 2008 From: george at idealso.com (Michael George) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 07:56:38 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] OT: .22 handguns In-Reply-To: <877ACA86E1EAE648BF2D28ADEAA479878B1173@dtwcoexchmbx2.seqnt.com> References: <984d708a0807031102y6d224b39i7e1418a9db628d1b@mail.gmail.com> <877ACA86E1EAE648BF2D28ADEAA479878B1173@dtwcoexchmbx2.seqnt.com> Message-ID: <486F6176.9090207@idealso.com> Try hollow points rather than round nose. Lachniet, Mark wrote: > I don't think you can go wrong with a Ruger. I personally have a > Bernadelli .22 > (http://securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1500/1593.htm) which I > totally love, if you could find one it would be great but I'm not > letting mine go ever. Its very small, very cheap to shoot, and very > accurate. And it was powerful enough to cap a racoon a couple months > ago - I was surprised, it actually went through a racoon and two layers > of drywall before petering out and falling to the ground. Unfortunately > I was suprised in a bad way because then some spackling was required :) > > Mark Lachniet > Solutions Architect - Security > Analysts International > 3101 Technology Blvd. Suite A > Lansing, MI 48910 > (517) 336-1004 (voice) > mailto:mlachniet at analysts.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* linux-user-bounces at egr.msu.edu on behalf of Karl Schuttler > *Sent:* Thu 7/3/2008 2:02 PM > *To:* linux-user at egr.msu.edu > *Subject:* [GLLUG] OT: .22 handguns > > I know some of you have a collection of firearms; I've recently been > contemplating a purchase of a .22 handgun. People seem to say that the > Ruger Mark II's are the way to go. If you happen to own a .22 handgun, > MkII or otherwise, I would very much like to give it a shot. If you > have prior experience with these weapons and have an opinion on a good > model (bargain ammo compatible) I would like to hear what you have to > say. > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -- -M There are 10 kinds of people in this world: Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. From rexykik at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 09:58:03 2008 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 09:58:03 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] OT: .22 handguns In-Reply-To: <486F6176.9090207@idealso.com> References: <984d708a0807031102y6d224b39i7e1418a9db628d1b@mail.gmail.com> <877ACA86E1EAE648BF2D28ADEAA479878B1173@dtwcoexchmbx2.seqnt.com> <486F6176.9090207@idealso.com> Message-ID: <984d708a0807050658l345cb854q470d1980c183027c@mail.gmail.com> How about pricing on these? I went to the MI Gun show in Mason yesterday to see what the going rate was, and found three at $239, 275 (Long Rifled), and $300 (target model). Does that sound right? On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Michael George wrote: > Try hollow points rather than round nose. > > Lachniet, Mark wrote: >> >> I don't think you can go wrong with a Ruger. I personally have a >> Bernadelli .22 (http://securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1500/1593.htm) >> which I totally love, if you could find one it would be great but I'm not >> letting mine go ever. Its very small, very cheap to shoot, and very >> accurate. And it was powerful enough to cap a racoon a couple months ago - >> I was surprised, it actually went through a racoon and two layers of drywall >> before petering out and falling to the ground. Unfortunately I was suprised >> in a bad way because then some spackling was required :) >> Mark Lachniet >> Solutions Architect - Security >> Analysts International >> 3101 Technology Blvd. Suite A >> Lansing, MI 48910 >> (517) 336-1004 (voice) >> mailto:mlachniet at analysts.com >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* linux-user-bounces at egr.msu.edu on behalf of Karl Schuttler >> *Sent:* Thu 7/3/2008 2:02 PM >> *To:* linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> *Subject:* [GLLUG] OT: .22 handguns >> >> I know some of you have a collection of firearms; I've recently been >> contemplating a purchase of a .22 handgun. People seem to say that the >> Ruger Mark II's are the way to go. If you happen to own a .22 handgun, >> MkII or otherwise, I would very much like to give it a shot. If you >> have prior experience with these weapons and have an opinion on a good >> model (bargain ammo compatible) I would like to hear what you have to >> say. >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > -- > -M > > There are 10 kinds of people in this world: > Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. > From clay at lazarusid.com Sat Jul 5 11:53:11 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 11:53:11 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] OT: .22 handguns In-Reply-To: <984d708a0807050658l345cb854q470d1980c183027c@mail.gmail.com> References: <984d708a0807031102y6d224b39i7e1418a9db628d1b@mail.gmail.com> <877ACA86E1EAE648BF2D28ADEAA479878B1173@dtwcoexchmbx2.seqnt.com> <486F6176.9090207@idealso.com> <984d708a0807050658l345cb854q470d1980c183027c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <486F98E7.2090509@lazarusid.com> Karl Schuttler wrote: > How about pricing on these? I went to the MI Gun show in Mason > yesterday to see what the going rate was, and found three at $239, 275 > (Long Rifled), and $300 (target model). Does that sound right? That sounds about right. Gun show prices usually have some padding for dickering though. I strongly recommend getting it chambered for long rifle, not shorts. Shorts sometimes don't have quite enough power to operate the action. The target model could be fun too, since it is especially designed for target shooting, which is usually what you want a .22 for anyway. Clay -- CeaMuS, Simple Content Management http://www.ceamus.com From george at idealso.com Sat Jul 5 22:14:05 2008 From: george at idealso.com (Michael George) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 22:14:05 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] OT: .22 handguns In-Reply-To: <984d708a0807050658l345cb854q470d1980c183027c@mail.gmail.com> References: <984d708a0807031102y6d224b39i7e1418a9db628d1b@mail.gmail.com> <877ACA86E1EAE648BF2D28ADEAA479878B1173@dtwcoexchmbx2.seqnt.com> <486F6176.9090207@idealso.com> <984d708a0807050658l345cb854q470d1980c183027c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48702A6D.3090707@idealso.com> I have this one, but I got it in the '90's when it was still a MkII: http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=10101&return=Y I also don't have the scope rail on it and I'm quite happy with the adjustable sites. All the MkIII's are chambered for the .22LR, AFAIK, so I'm not sure what the difference is between your $239 model and the $275. I would recommend the bull bbl., myself... Karl Schuttler wrote: > How about pricing on these? I went to the MI Gun show in Mason > yesterday to see what the going rate was, and found three at $239, 275 > (Long Rifled), and $300 (target model). Does that sound right? > > On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Michael George wrote: >> Try hollow points rather than round nose. >> >> Lachniet, Mark wrote: >>> I don't think you can go wrong with a Ruger. I personally have a >>> Bernadelli .22 (http://securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1500/1593.htm) >>> which I totally love, if you could find one it would be great but I'm not >>> letting mine go ever. Its very small, very cheap to shoot, and very >>> accurate. And it was powerful enough to cap a racoon a couple months ago - >>> I was surprised, it actually went through a racoon and two layers of drywall >>> before petering out and falling to the ground. Unfortunately I was suprised >>> in a bad way because then some spackling was required :) >>> Mark Lachniet >>> Solutions Architect - Security >>> Analysts International >>> 3101 Technology Blvd. Suite A >>> Lansing, MI 48910 >>> (517) 336-1004 (voice) >>> mailto:mlachniet at analysts.com >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> *From:* linux-user-bounces at egr.msu.edu on behalf of Karl Schuttler >>> *Sent:* Thu 7/3/2008 2:02 PM >>> *To:* linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>> *Subject:* [GLLUG] OT: .22 handguns >>> >>> I know some of you have a collection of firearms; I've recently been >>> contemplating a purchase of a .22 handgun. People seem to say that the >>> Ruger Mark II's are the way to go. If you happen to own a .22 handgun, >>> MkII or otherwise, I would very much like to give it a shot. If you >>> have prior experience with these weapons and have an opinion on a good >>> model (bargain ammo compatible) I would like to hear what you have to >>> say. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> linux-user mailing list >>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> linux-user mailing list >>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> -- >> -M >> >> There are 10 kinds of people in this world: >> Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. >> > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -- -M There are 10 kinds of people in this world: Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. From c.e.tower at gmail.com Sun Jul 6 22:58:45 2008 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:58:45 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Ideal Solutions / ACD.net In-Reply-To: <4868EDDB.1040501@idealso.com> References: <48641F20.6060409@msu.edu> <48659A0A.5040404@divinesymphony.net> <8e690af80806271942x31bb5ec5jc8fc3aebab891a38@mail.gmail.com> <4865ACA7.7010509@divinesymphony.net> <549C4D03-6961-4E42-96B4-7F79FFF927DB@cesconetto.com> <4866950E.1020502@lazarusid.com> <48669AA9.80508@gmail.com> <5CA02BF3-B66D-43FA-AE2A-1C7906AA9120@cesconetto.com> <4867057B.6050002@msu.edu> <6681F662-4FBB-4AB7-BCBA-28F659304F46@cesconetto.com> <48671802.3080907@msu.edu> <4868EDDB.1040501@idealso.com> Message-ID: <48718665.6010205@gmail.com> So is this where the meeting will be the next two Thursdays? http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=East+Lansing&state=MI&address=%5B100-254%5D+E+Grand+River+Ave&zipcode=48823&cat=Bell's+Pizza&country=US&latitude=42.7348&longitude=-84.48285&geocode=STREET#a/maps/l:Bell's+Greek+Pizza:1135+E+Grand+River+Ave:East+Lansing:MI:48823:US:42.731:-84.468199:address:/m::12:42.730999:-84.468199:0::/io:0:::::f:EN:M:/e (That's a hell of a URL!) Chick Jeff Lawton wrote: > This week I will setup a wireless door bell. Rick is correct there is > not enough advanced notice. July 10th I will be out of town. I recommend > having the July 10th and the 17th meeting at Bells on the east side of > East Lansing as a test. On the 17th we can take a look at the poll and > make a decision. > > Jeff Lawton > Ideal Solution, LLC > 517-485-2650 ext 220 > jeff at idealso.com > http://www.idealso.com From rexykik at gmail.com Sun Jul 6 23:07:03 2008 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 23:07:03 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Ideal Solutions / ACD.net In-Reply-To: <48718665.6010205@gmail.com> References: <549C4D03-6961-4E42-96B4-7F79FFF927DB@cesconetto.com> <4866950E.1020502@lazarusid.com> <48669AA9.80508@gmail.com> <5CA02BF3-B66D-43FA-AE2A-1C7906AA9120@cesconetto.com> <4867057B.6050002@msu.edu> <6681F662-4FBB-4AB7-BCBA-28F659304F46@cesconetto.com> <48671802.3080907@msu.edu> <4868EDDB.1040501@idealso.com> <48718665.6010205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <984d708a0807062007r6166a33dk9a557579e335d0c9@mail.gmail.com> As Jeff proposed, I suggest we meet at the Bell's Pizza shop. I might even show up. Tinyurl might be a help. On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 10:58 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > So is this where the meeting will be the next two Thursdays? > > http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=East+Lansing&state=MI&address=%5B100-254%5D+E+Grand+River+Ave&zipcode=48823&cat=Bell's+Pizza&country=US&latitude=42.7348&longitude=-84.48285&geocode=STREET#a/maps/l:Bell's+Greek+Pizza:1135+E+Grand+River+Ave:East+Lansing:MI:48823:US:42.731:-84.468199:address:/m::12:42.730999:-84.468199:0::/io:0:::::f:EN:M:/e > > (That's a hell of a URL!) > > Chick > > > Jeff Lawton wrote: >> This week I will setup a wireless door bell. Rick is correct there is >> not enough advanced notice. July 10th I will be out of town. I recommend >> having the July 10th and the 17th meeting at Bells on the east side of >> East Lansing as a test. On the 17th we can take a look at the poll and >> make a decision. >> >> Jeff Lawton >> Ideal Solution, LLC >> 517-485-2650 ext 220 >> jeff at idealso.com >> http://www.idealso.com > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From c.e.tower at gmail.com Sun Jul 6 23:33:08 2008 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:33:08 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Ideal Solutions / ACD.net In-Reply-To: <984d708a0807062007r6166a33dk9a557579e335d0c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <549C4D03-6961-4E42-96B4-7F79FFF927DB@cesconetto.com> <4866950E.1020502@lazarusid.com> <48669AA9.80508@gmail.com> <5CA02BF3-B66D-43FA-AE2A-1C7906AA9120@cesconetto.com> <4867057B.6050002@msu.edu> <6681F662-4FBB-4AB7-BCBA-28F659304F46@cesconetto.com> <48671802.3080907@msu.edu> <4868EDDB.1040501@idealso.com> <48718665.6010205@gmail.com> <984d708a0807062007r6166a33dk9a557579e335d0c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48718E74.80905@gmail.com> Please leave my personal life out of this, Karl. Chick Karl Schuttler wrote: > ...Tinyurl might be a help. From psmith.gllug at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 00:18:31 2008 From: psmith.gllug at gmail.com (Peter Smith) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:18:31 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Ideal Solutions / ACD.net In-Reply-To: <48718E74.80905@gmail.com> References: <549C4D03-6961-4E42-96B4-7F79FFF927DB@cesconetto.com> <4866950E.1020502@lazarusid.com> <48669AA9.80508@gmail.com> <5CA02BF3-B66D-43FA-AE2A-1C7906AA9120@cesconetto.com> <4867057B.6050002@msu.edu> <6681F662-4FBB-4AB7-BCBA-28F659304F46@cesconetto.com> <48671802.3080907@msu.edu> <4868EDDB.1040501@idealso.com> <48718665.6010205@gmail.com> <984d708a0807062007r6166a33dk9a557579e335d0c9@mail.gmail.com> <48718E74.80905@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48719917.9030009@gmail.com> http://tinyurl.com/66q5l2 Nice and simple. And a site that works, not this 1993 Mapquest thing. :) See ya all there on the 10th at 6pm. :) -- Peter Smith From george at idealso.com Mon Jul 7 16:01:29 2008 From: george at idealso.com (Michael George) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 16:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] Anyone with experience with Macs and AirPort Extreme? In-Reply-To: <60134.74.204.24.74.1213642984.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> References: <60134.74.204.24.74.1213642984.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> Message-ID: <100a43e48c7a5bf5a03ddb7d5717b4be.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> Well, for anyone who cares about this thread, the "fix" didn't. It helped a bit, but the connection would just drop without reason. We moved the computer to the other side of the room to hopefully get better reception, but it is still unreliable at best. We could sit there with a fill signal indicated and start browsing and the signal would drop to nothing and get dropped. It might not reconnect for hours, no matter what I did. Sometimes I'd come home from work and my wife would be mad that she couldn't get on all day and I'll wake it up and it'll have full strength signal and stay like that for hours. The iBook, on the other hand (with an original airport card) will connect readily from anywhere in the house and maintain that awesome signal. So it's not interference or a flakey WAP. The only thing it *could* be is that 802.11b is more reliable than the 802.11g. So, I've given up. Newegg has a special on Linksys WRT54GL routers (free shipping, $50, and a $10 rebate on top of that) so I'm just getting another one. I'll put that one in place to see if that might be the issue, but I doubt it is. After that test, I'll use one of them as the WAP and router and the other as a bridge. It's $10 more than trying an 802.11 USB key, but it also gives me a second router on hand in case the primary should fail and another unit to use for firmware updates. On Mon, June 16, 2008 3:03 pm, Michael George wrote: > Tried turning off the authentication. Didn't help. > > I found a fix, though! In reading and reading and reading, I saw a > reference to how some people "fixed" the problem by activating and then > deactivating IPv6. I figured it was worth a try... and it did! > > On Mon, June 16, 2008 2:53 pm, Sean O'Malley wrote: >> My bad. I read what you said incorrectly about the intermittant >> connections. :) >> >> From what I just read it appears it is an authentication/authorization >> issue and there are firmware upgrades from linksys.. dd-wrt probably >> hasnt >> fixed it yet. >> >> If you turn off auth on the router, it supposedly works. >> >> *shrugs* >> >> >> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Michael George wrote: >> >>> The GL has more RAM than the current G's do, not less. >>> >>> I haven't had *any* problems at all with 10.4, only with 10.5. >>> >>> On Mon, June 16, 2008 11:43 am, Sean O'Malley wrote: >>> > Im cheap I guess. I would try changing the firmware on the router >>> first. >>> > >>> > Weren't those the routers that had like 1/2 as much ram as the G >>> series >>> > and a few other shortcuts to drop the price? >>> > >>> > I am just thinking if you are trying to squeeze a gui and software on >>> a >>> > smaller space, you might actually drop a few things along the way >>> just >>> to >>> > squeeze it on. >>> > >>> > The fact it doesnt really work with 10.4 (it is flaky) and it doesnt >>> work >>> > at all with 10.5 and other people are just having flaky issues with >>> 10.5, >>> > leads me to think something else might be wrong. I would triple check >>> my >>> > configs and make sure im running the latest known to work version of >>> the >>> > firmware. >>> > >>> > I have also heard of numerous issues with dd-wrt and people have >>> switched >>> > to openwrt. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Michael George wrote: >>> > >>> >> That is actually what I'm leaning towards. I just hadn't looked >>> into >>> >> which ones were compatible with 10.5 yet. >>> >> >>> >> On Mon, June 16, 2008 7:33 am, Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: >>> >> > another solution is to use a USB wireless adapter, Blekin and >>> DLink >>> >> > both make Mac compatible a/b/g cards >>> >> > >>> >> > On Jun 15, 2008, at 9:31 PM, Michael George wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> >> Well, what I found is that there are a lot of networking problems >>> >> with >>> >> >> 10.5. Most of what I found had to do with extremely poor >>> performance >>> >> >> and continuously dropped connections. One post in particular >>> said >>> >> >> that >>> >> >> the Airport Extreme devices were no longer playing well with >>> Cicso >>> >> >> WAPs. >>> >> >> Whether the "cisco problem" extends into their Linksys >>> >> >> acquisitions, I >>> >> >> do not know. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> My router is working fine, and I don't have any plans to change >>> it. >>> >> >> If >>> >> >> I had a greater need for the Mini to work I might try OpenWRT, or >>> >> even >>> >> >> go back to the Linksys Firmware for the WRT54G... >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Given that the 10.4 systems and WinXP were no-effort connections, >>> I >>> >> am >>> >> >> inclined to blame Apple and I am hoping that a future update >>> might >>> >> >> resolve the issue. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Karl Schuttler wrote: >>> >> >>> It might be worthwhile to see if the problem exists in OpenWRT, >>> >> >>> another linux firmware for the WRT line. OpenWRT isn't tough, >>> >> >>> especially if you've done any networking in linux, but it is >>> mostly >>> >> >>> command line (no web gui out of the box). It may be the easiest >>> >> >>> migration to make it work, if you find that others aren't >>> running >>> >> >>> into >>> >> >>> this issue. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Michael George >>> >> >>> wrote: >>> >> >>>> Yes, those bastards. This is not an isolated dd-wrt issue, it >>> has >>> >> >>>> been >>> >> >>>> happening to many people with the Airport Extreme devices under >>> >> >>>> 10.5. >>> >> >>>> It was a problem at 10.5.1 (but not under 10.4) and still is >>> now. >>> >> >>>> They >>> >> >>>> aren't giving it attention because they made it work with their >>> >> >>>> WAPs. >>> >> >>>> If it doesn't work with Ciscos, they don't seem to care. >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> I have connected my iBook (10.4) with no hesitation. I have >>> >> >>>> connected >>> >> >>>> Windows XP with no problem. The software running in dd-wrt is >>> in >>> >> >>>> very >>> >> >>>> wide use and I'm sure if there were problems with it meeting >>> the >>> >> >>>> standards of 802.11b/g, they would get fixed. However, Apple >>> >> >>>> adopted an >>> >> >>>> unfinished (beta) spec (802.11n) and put it into production >>> >> >>>> hardware. >>> >> >>>> Internal to the computer, no less. When it isn't backwards >>> >> >>>> compatible >>> >> >>>> their best answer (not that they gave one) is "spend several >>> >> >>>> hundred $$ >>> >> >>>> and get one of *our* WAPs". >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> If you think dd-wrt is such junk, then why don't you download >>> the >>> >> >>>> latest >>> >> >>>> linksys firmware and install it on your router? When you do, >>> >> please >>> >> >>>> tell me if your problem goes away... >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: >>> >> >>>>> Those bastards? I blame your crappy Open Source driven router, >>> I >>> >> >>>>> have >>> >> >>>>> the same issue with my WRT54GL w/ DD-WRT is junk too... You >>> get >>> >> >>>>> what u >>> >> >>>>> pay for... >>> >> >>>>> >>> >> >>>>> On Jun 14, 2008, at 9:20 PM, Michael George wrote: >>> >> >>>>> >>> >> >>>>>> Well, no go on either of these. I can set up an ad-hoc >>> network >>> >> >>>>>> with my >>> >> >>>>>> iBook and an original AirPort card (802.11b?), but it keeps >>> >> >>>>>> getting >>> >> >>>>>> connection timeouts to the Linksys/dd-wrt WAP. I am not >>> about >>> >> >>>>>> to spend >>> >> >>>>>> $300 for a Apple WAP to connect this thing. Those bastards >>> make >>> >> >>>>>> incompatible hard/firmware and expect me to spend more $$ on >>> >> >>>>>> them? No >>> >> >>>>>> way. >>> >> >>>>>> >>> >> >>>>>> Sean O'Malley wrote: >>> >> >>>>>>> It doesnt really seem to be a related issue, but the early >>> 2006 >>> >> >>>>>>> minis >>> >> >>>>>>> have a firmware update for them. It is called >>> >> >>>>>>> Apple Mac mini early 2006 SMC Firmware >>> >> >>>>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>> A more related fix would be: >>> >> >>>>>>> ---- >>> >> >>>>>>> from http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=4993837 >>> >> >>>>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>> Alright, so we know that after updated to 10.5.2 people were >>> >> >>>>>>> still >>> >> >>>>>>> having >>> >> >>>>>>> trouble with Airport. I was one of them, and I figured it >>> out. >>> >> >>>>>>> Here is >>> >> >>>>>>> what I did: >>> >> >>>>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>> 1. Navigate to Library\Preferences\SystemConfiguration >>> >> >>>>>>> 2. Locate com.apple.airport.preferences.plist >>> >> >>>>>>> 3. Drag it to trash >>> >> >>>>>>> 4. Hit the spotlight, type in "Keychain Access" >>> >> >>>>>>> a) Remove all passwords to every network >>> >> >>>>>>> *now I don't know if that's necessary, but I did it, and it >>> >> >>>>>>> worked* >>> >> >>>>>>> 5. Restart Leopard >>> >> >>>>>>> 6. Connect to a network and you should be problem free >>> >> >>>>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>> By deleting com.apple.airport.preferences.plist and >>> restarting >>> >> >>>>>>> your >>> >> >>>>>>> system, you are allowing Leopard to create the new 10.5.2 >>> file. >>> >> >>>>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>> My theory is, is that the two conflicted with each other so >>> it >>> >> >>>>>>> wasn't >>> >> >>>>>>> copied properly, and thats why some people had the problem >>> and >>> >> >>>>>>> some >>> >> >>>>>>> didn't. >>> >> >>>>>>> --- >>> >> >>>>>>> my guess is you just need to axe the password to the >>> airport. >>> >> >>>>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>> That at least lets you start the config from scratch. :) >>> >> >>>>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>> Sean >>> >> >>>>>> -- >>> >> >>>>>> -M >>> >> >>>>>> >>> >> >>>>>> There are 10 kinds of people in this world: >>> >> >>>>>> Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. >>> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>> >> >>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>> >> >>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>> >> >>>> -- >>> >> >>>> -M >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> There are 10 kinds of people in this world: >>> >> >>>> Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. >>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >>>> linux-user mailing list >>> >> >>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>> >> >>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >>> linux-user mailing list >>> >> >>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>> >> >>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>> >> >> >>> >> >> -- >>> >> >> -M >>> >> >> >>> >> >> There are 10 kinds of people in this world: >>> >> >> Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >> linux-user mailing list >>> >> >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>> >> >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -Michael George >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> linux-user mailing list >>> >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>> >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>> >> >>> > >>> >>> >>> -Michael George >>> _______________________________________________ >>> linux-user mailing list >>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>> >> > > > -Michael George > > > -Michael George From rick at divinesymphony.net Mon Jul 7 21:23:48 2008 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:23:48 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] OT: workgroup printers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4872C1A4.8060003@divinesymphony.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mark Szidik/mlc wrote: | | Our venerable 2001 HP 4100 is ready to be retired, and I am wondering | what I should replace it with. | | The safe answer is a HP 3005x b&w laser. | | But I am wondering about the Xerox Phaser solid-ink color printers. | Anyone have experience with them? Are they as reliable as a HP laser | over 7 years? I can't speak for long-term reliability, but the printouts were definitely different. They looked very good, but were a bit shiny (I think, been almost 4 years since I've seen it now). I heard from co-workers that the dye, wax, or whatever else you want to call it had a tendency to flake off under certain conditions. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mandriva - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIcsGfUMkt1ZRwL1MRAitmAJ9Kw11BRmqm8whwWdV097PxiFdihwCgiNHs F0Gr/POSlrxdGHu++Ff/AiU= =/g77 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From eduardo at cesconetto.com Mon Jul 7 22:24:31 2008 From: eduardo at cesconetto.com (Eduardo Cesconetto) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 22:24:31 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Anyone with experience with Macs and AirPort Extreme? In-Reply-To: <100a43e48c7a5bf5a03ddb7d5717b4be.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> References: <60134.74.204.24.74.1213642984.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> <100a43e48c7a5bf5a03ddb7d5717b4be.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> Message-ID: Again, you are setting yourself for failure. The WRT54GL is buggy, even worse when used with DDWRT. Give up and get a descent router. My recomendation is an Airport Extreme, but if you'd like to save some cash, get a cheap Netgear N router... On Jul 7, 2008, at 4:01 PM, Michael George wrote: > Well, for anyone who cares about this thread, the "fix" didn't. It > helped > a bit, but the connection would just drop without reason. We moved > the > computer to the other side of the room to hopefully get better > reception, > but it is still unreliable at best. > > We could sit there with a fill signal indicated and start browsing > and the > signal would drop to nothing and get dropped. It might not > reconnect for > hours, no matter what I did. Sometimes I'd come home from work and my > wife would be mad that she couldn't get on all day and I'll wake it > up and > it'll have full strength signal and stay like that for hours. > > The iBook, on the other hand (with an original airport card) will > connect > readily from anywhere in the house and maintain that awesome > signal. So > it's not interference or a flakey WAP. The only thing it *could* be > is > that 802.11b is more reliable than the 802.11g. > > So, I've given up. Newegg has a special on Linksys WRT54GL routers > (free > shipping, $50, and a $10 rebate on top of that) so I'm just getting > another one. I'll put that one in place to see if that might be the > issue, but I doubt it is. After that test, I'll use one of them as > the > WAP and router and the other as a bridge. It's $10 more than trying > an > 802.11 USB key, but it also gives me a second router on hand in case > the > primary should fail and another unit to use for firmware updates. > > On Mon, June 16, 2008 3:03 pm, Michael George wrote: >> Tried turning off the authentication. Didn't help. >> >> I found a fix, though! In reading and reading and reading, I saw a >> reference to how some people "fixed" the problem by activating and >> then >> deactivating IPv6. I figured it was worth a try... and it did! >> >> On Mon, June 16, 2008 2:53 pm, Sean O'Malley wrote: >>> My bad. I read what you said incorrectly about the intermittant >>> connections. :) >>> >>> From what I just read it appears it is an authentication/ >>> authorization >>> issue and there are firmware upgrades from linksys.. dd-wrt probably >>> hasnt >>> fixed it yet. >>> >>> If you turn off auth on the router, it supposedly works. >>> >>> *shrugs* >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Michael George wrote: >>> >>>> The GL has more RAM than the current G's do, not less. >>>> >>>> I haven't had *any* problems at all with 10.4, only with 10.5. >>>> >>>> On Mon, June 16, 2008 11:43 am, Sean O'Malley wrote: >>>>> Im cheap I guess. I would try changing the firmware on the router >>>> first. >>>>> >>>>> Weren't those the routers that had like 1/2 as much ram as the G >>>> series >>>>> and a few other shortcuts to drop the price? >>>>> >>>>> I am just thinking if you are trying to squeeze a gui and >>>>> software on >>>> a >>>>> smaller space, you might actually drop a few things along the way >>>> just >>>> to >>>>> squeeze it on. >>>>> >>>>> The fact it doesnt really work with 10.4 (it is flaky) and it >>>>> doesnt >>>> work >>>>> at all with 10.5 and other people are just having flaky issues >>>>> with >>>> 10.5, >>>>> leads me to think something else might be wrong. I would triple >>>>> check >>>> my >>>>> configs and make sure im running the latest known to work >>>>> version of >>>> the >>>>> firmware. >>>>> >>>>> I have also heard of numerous issues with dd-wrt and people have >>>> switched >>>>> to openwrt. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Michael George wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> That is actually what I'm leaning towards. I just hadn't looked >>>> into >>>>>> which ones were compatible with 10.5 yet. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, June 16, 2008 7:33 am, Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: >>>>>>> another solution is to use a USB wireless adapter, Blekin and >>>> DLink >>>>>>> both make Mac compatible a/b/g cards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jun 15, 2008, at 9:31 PM, Michael George wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well, what I found is that there are a lot of networking >>>>>>>> problems >>>>>> with >>>>>>>> 10.5. Most of what I found had to do with extremely poor >>>> performance >>>>>>>> and continuously dropped connections. One post in particular >>>> said >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> the Airport Extreme devices were no longer playing well with >>>> Cicso >>>>>>>> WAPs. >>>>>>>> Whether the "cisco problem" extends into their Linksys >>>>>>>> acquisitions, I >>>>>>>> do not know. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My router is working fine, and I don't have any plans to change >>>> it. >>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>> I had a greater need for the Mini to work I might try >>>>>>>> OpenWRT, or >>>>>> even >>>>>>>> go back to the Linksys Firmware for the WRT54G... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Given that the 10.4 systems and WinXP were no-effort >>>>>>>> connections, >>>> I >>>>>> am >>>>>>>> inclined to blame Apple and I am hoping that a future update >>>> might >>>>>>>> resolve the issue. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Karl Schuttler wrote: >>>>>>>>> It might be worthwhile to see if the problem exists in >>>>>>>>> OpenWRT, >>>>>>>>> another linux firmware for the WRT line. OpenWRT isn't tough, >>>>>>>>> especially if you've done any networking in linux, but it is >>>> mostly >>>>>>>>> command line (no web gui out of the box). It may be the >>>>>>>>> easiest >>>>>>>>> migration to make it work, if you find that others aren't >>>> running >>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>> this issue. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Michael George >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Yes, those bastards. This is not an isolated dd-wrt issue, >>>>>>>>>> it >>>> has >>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>> happening to many people with the Airport Extreme devices >>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>> 10.5. >>>>>>>>>> It was a problem at 10.5.1 (but not under 10.4) and still is >>>> now. >>>>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>>>> aren't giving it attention because they made it work with >>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>> WAPs. >>>>>>>>>> If it doesn't work with Ciscos, they don't seem to care. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have connected my iBook (10.4) with no hesitation. I have >>>>>>>>>> connected >>>>>>>>>> Windows XP with no problem. The software running in dd-wrt >>>>>>>>>> is >>>> in >>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>> wide use and I'm sure if there were problems with it meeting >>>> the >>>>>>>>>> standards of 802.11b/g, they would get fixed. However, Apple >>>>>>>>>> adopted an >>>>>>>>>> unfinished (beta) spec (802.11n) and put it into production >>>>>>>>>> hardware. >>>>>>>>>> Internal to the computer, no less. When it isn't backwards >>>>>>>>>> compatible >>>>>>>>>> their best answer (not that they gave one) is "spend several >>>>>>>>>> hundred $$ >>>>>>>>>> and get one of *our* WAPs". >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If you think dd-wrt is such junk, then why don't you download >>>> the >>>>>>>>>> latest >>>>>>>>>> linksys firmware and install it on your router? When you do, >>>>>> please >>>>>>>>>> tell me if your problem goes away... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Those bastards? I blame your crappy Open Source driven >>>>>>>>>>> router, >>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>> the same issue with my WRT54GL w/ DD-WRT is junk too... You >>>> get >>>>>>>>>>> what u >>>>>>>>>>> pay for... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 14, 2008, at 9:20 PM, Michael George wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, no go on either of these. I can set up an ad-hoc >>>> network >>>>>>>>>>>> with my >>>>>>>>>>>> iBook and an original AirPort card (802.11b?), but it keeps >>>>>>>>>>>> getting >>>>>>>>>>>> connection timeouts to the Linksys/dd-wrt WAP. I am not >>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>> to spend >>>>>>>>>>>> $300 for a Apple WAP to connect this thing. Those bastards >>>> make >>>>>>>>>>>> incompatible hard/firmware and expect me to spend more $$ >>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>> them? No >>>>>>>>>>>> way. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sean O'Malley wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesnt really seem to be a related issue, but the early >>>> 2006 >>>>>>>>>>>>> minis >>>>>>>>>>>>> have a firmware update for them. It is called >>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Mac mini early 2006 SMC Firmware >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> A more related fix would be: >>>>>>>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>>>>>>> from http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=4993837 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Alright, so we know that after updated to 10.5.2 people >>>>>>>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>> having >>>>>>>>>>>>> trouble with Airport. I was one of them, and I figured it >>>> out. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is >>>>>>>>>>>>> what I did: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Navigate to Library\Preferences\SystemConfiguration >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Locate com.apple.airport.preferences.plist >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Drag it to trash >>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Hit the spotlight, type in "Keychain Access" >>>>>>>>>>>>> a) Remove all passwords to every network >>>>>>>>>>>>> *now I don't know if that's necessary, but I did it, and >>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>> worked* >>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Restart Leopard >>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. Connect to a network and you should be problem free >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> By deleting com.apple.airport.preferences.plist and >>>> restarting >>>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>>> system, you are allowing Leopard to create the new 10.5.2 >>>> file. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> My theory is, is that the two conflicted with each other >>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't >>>>>>>>>>>>> copied properly, and thats why some people had the problem >>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't. >>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>> my guess is you just need to axe the password to the >>>> airport. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That at least lets you start the config from scratch. :) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sean >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> -M >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are 10 kinds of people in this world: >>>>>>>>>>>> Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> -M >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There are 10 kinds of people in this world: >>>>>>>>>> Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> -M >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are 10 kinds of people in this world: >>>>>>>> Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -Michael George >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Michael George >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> linux-user mailing list >>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>> >>> >> >> >> -Michael George >> >> >> > > > -Michael George > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From eduardo at cesconetto.com Mon Jul 7 22:25:08 2008 From: eduardo at cesconetto.com (Eduardo Cesconetto) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 22:25:08 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Bells Message-ID: <44E5F696-B17D-49D6-B761-244E71F15157@cesconetto.com> is this next meeting at Bells? The website still states ACD HQ... From szumlins at mac.com Mon Jul 7 22:30:19 2008 From: szumlins at mac.com (Mike Szumlinski) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:30:19 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Anyone with experience with Macs and AirPort Extreme? In-Reply-To: References: <60134.74.204.24.74.1213642984.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> <100a43e48c7a5bf5a03ddb7d5717b4be.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> Message-ID: <0504851A-4A53-4788-9CA9-1FFCDBB91FEC@mac.com> The new Time Capsule drives are kind of nice too. $499 for an 802.11n router with a 4 port gig-e switch and a 1TB NAS built in. I just use Airport Express's at home. Cheap and function and tiny. -Mike On Jul 7, 2008, at 10:24 PM, Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: > Again, you are setting yourself for failure. The WRT54GL is buggy, > even worse when used with DDWRT. > Give up and get a descent router. My recomendation is an Airport > Extreme, but if you'd like to save some cash, get a cheap Netgear N > router... > > On Jul 7, 2008, at 4:01 PM, Michael George wrote: > >> Well, for anyone who cares about this thread, the "fix" didn't. It >> helped >> a bit, but the connection would just drop without reason. We moved >> the >> computer to the other side of the room to hopefully get better >> reception, >> but it is still unreliable at best. >> >> We could sit there with a fill signal indicated and start browsing >> and the >> signal would drop to nothing and get dropped. It might not >> reconnect for >> hours, no matter what I did. Sometimes I'd come home from work and >> my >> wife would be mad that she couldn't get on all day and I'll wake it >> up and >> it'll have full strength signal and stay like that for hours. >> >> The iBook, on the other hand (with an original airport card) will >> connect >> readily from anywhere in the house and maintain that awesome >> signal. So >> it's not interference or a flakey WAP. The only thing it *could* be >> is >> that 802.11b is more reliable than the 802.11g. >> >> So, I've given up. Newegg has a special on Linksys WRT54GL routers >> (free >> shipping, $50, and a $10 rebate on top of that) so I'm just getting >> another one. I'll put that one in place to see if that might be the >> issue, but I doubt it is. After that test, I'll use one of them as >> the >> WAP and router and the other as a bridge. It's $10 more than trying >> an >> 802.11 USB key, but it also gives me a second router on hand in case >> the >> primary should fail and another unit to use for firmware updates. >> >> On Mon, June 16, 2008 3:03 pm, Michael George wrote: >>> Tried turning off the authentication. Didn't help. >>> >>> I found a fix, though! In reading and reading and reading, I saw a >>> reference to how some people "fixed" the problem by activating and >>> then >>> deactivating IPv6. I figured it was worth a try... and it did! >>> >>> On Mon, June 16, 2008 2:53 pm, Sean O'Malley wrote: >>>> My bad. I read what you said incorrectly about the intermittant >>>> connections. :) >>>> >>>> From what I just read it appears it is an authentication/ >>>> authorization >>>> issue and there are firmware upgrades from linksys.. dd-wrt >>>> probably >>>> hasnt >>>> fixed it yet. >>>> >>>> If you turn off auth on the router, it supposedly works. >>>> >>>> *shrugs* >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Michael George wrote: >>>> >>>>> The GL has more RAM than the current G's do, not less. >>>>> >>>>> I haven't had *any* problems at all with 10.4, only with 10.5. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, June 16, 2008 11:43 am, Sean O'Malley wrote: >>>>>> Im cheap I guess. I would try changing the firmware on the router >>>>> first. >>>>>> >>>>>> Weren't those the routers that had like 1/2 as much ram as the G >>>>> series >>>>>> and a few other shortcuts to drop the price? >>>>>> >>>>>> I am just thinking if you are trying to squeeze a gui and >>>>>> software on >>>>> a >>>>>> smaller space, you might actually drop a few things along the way >>>>> just >>>>> to >>>>>> squeeze it on. >>>>>> >>>>>> The fact it doesnt really work with 10.4 (it is flaky) and it >>>>>> doesnt >>>>> work >>>>>> at all with 10.5 and other people are just having flaky issues >>>>>> with >>>>> 10.5, >>>>>> leads me to think something else might be wrong. I would triple >>>>>> check >>>>> my >>>>>> configs and make sure im running the latest known to work >>>>>> version of >>>>> the >>>>>> firmware. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have also heard of numerous issues with dd-wrt and people have >>>>> switched >>>>>> to openwrt. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Michael George wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> That is actually what I'm leaning towards. I just hadn't looked >>>>> into >>>>>>> which ones were compatible with 10.5 yet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, June 16, 2008 7:33 am, Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: >>>>>>>> another solution is to use a USB wireless adapter, Blekin and >>>>> DLink >>>>>>>> both make Mac compatible a/b/g cards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 15, 2008, at 9:31 PM, Michael George wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well, what I found is that there are a lot of networking >>>>>>>>> problems >>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> 10.5. Most of what I found had to do with extremely poor >>>>> performance >>>>>>>>> and continuously dropped connections. One post in particular >>>>> said >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> the Airport Extreme devices were no longer playing well with >>>>> Cicso >>>>>>>>> WAPs. >>>>>>>>> Whether the "cisco problem" extends into their Linksys >>>>>>>>> acquisitions, I >>>>>>>>> do not know. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My router is working fine, and I don't have any plans to >>>>>>>>> change >>>>> it. >>>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>>> I had a greater need for the Mini to work I might try >>>>>>>>> OpenWRT, or >>>>>>> even >>>>>>>>> go back to the Linksys Firmware for the WRT54G... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Given that the 10.4 systems and WinXP were no-effort >>>>>>>>> connections, >>>>> I >>>>>>> am >>>>>>>>> inclined to blame Apple and I am hoping that a future update >>>>> might >>>>>>>>> resolve the issue. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Karl Schuttler wrote: >>>>>>>>>> It might be worthwhile to see if the problem exists in >>>>>>>>>> OpenWRT, >>>>>>>>>> another linux firmware for the WRT line. OpenWRT isn't tough, >>>>>>>>>> especially if you've done any networking in linux, but it is >>>>> mostly >>>>>>>>>> command line (no web gui out of the box). It may be the >>>>>>>>>> easiest >>>>>>>>>> migration to make it work, if you find that others aren't >>>>> running >>>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>>> this issue. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Michael George >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, those bastards. This is not an isolated dd-wrt issue, >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>> happening to many people with the Airport Extreme devices >>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>> 10.5. >>>>>>>>>>> It was a problem at 10.5.1 (but not under 10.4) and still is >>>>> now. >>>>>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>>>>> aren't giving it attention because they made it work with >>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>> WAPs. >>>>>>>>>>> If it doesn't work with Ciscos, they don't seem to care. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have connected my iBook (10.4) with no hesitation. I have >>>>>>>>>>> connected >>>>>>>>>>> Windows XP with no problem. The software running in dd-wrt >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>> wide use and I'm sure if there were problems with it meeting >>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> standards of 802.11b/g, they would get fixed. However, >>>>>>>>>>> Apple >>>>>>>>>>> adopted an >>>>>>>>>>> unfinished (beta) spec (802.11n) and put it into production >>>>>>>>>>> hardware. >>>>>>>>>>> Internal to the computer, no less. When it isn't backwards >>>>>>>>>>> compatible >>>>>>>>>>> their best answer (not that they gave one) is "spend several >>>>>>>>>>> hundred $$ >>>>>>>>>>> and get one of *our* WAPs". >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If you think dd-wrt is such junk, then why don't you >>>>>>>>>>> download >>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> latest >>>>>>>>>>> linksys firmware and install it on your router? When you >>>>>>>>>>> do, >>>>>>> please >>>>>>>>>>> tell me if your problem goes away... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Those bastards? I blame your crappy Open Source driven >>>>>>>>>>>> router, >>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>> the same issue with my WRT54GL w/ DD-WRT is junk too... You >>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>> what u >>>>>>>>>>>> pay for... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 14, 2008, at 9:20 PM, Michael George wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, no go on either of these. I can set up an ad-hoc >>>>> network >>>>>>>>>>>>> with my >>>>>>>>>>>>> iBook and an original AirPort card (802.11b?), but it >>>>>>>>>>>>> keeps >>>>>>>>>>>>> getting >>>>>>>>>>>>> connection timeouts to the Linksys/dd-wrt WAP. I am not >>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>>> to spend >>>>>>>>>>>>> $300 for a Apple WAP to connect this thing. Those >>>>>>>>>>>>> bastards >>>>> make >>>>>>>>>>>>> incompatible hard/firmware and expect me to spend more $$ >>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>> them? No >>>>>>>>>>>>> way. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sean O'Malley wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesnt really seem to be a related issue, but the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> early >>>>> 2006 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> minis >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a firmware update for them. It is called >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Mac mini early 2006 SMC Firmware >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A more related fix would be: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=4993837 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alright, so we know that after updated to 10.5.2 people >>>>>>>>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>>> having >>>>>>>>>>>>>> trouble with Airport. I was one of them, and I figured it >>>>> out. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> what I did: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Navigate to Library\Preferences\SystemConfiguration >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Locate com.apple.airport.preferences.plist >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Drag it to trash >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Hit the spotlight, type in "Keychain Access" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a) Remove all passwords to every network >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *now I don't know if that's necessary, but I did it, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked* >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Restart Leopard >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. Connect to a network and you should be problem free >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> By deleting com.apple.airport.preferences.plist and >>>>> restarting >>>>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>>>> system, you are allowing Leopard to create the new 10.5.2 >>>>> file. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> My theory is, is that the two conflicted with each other >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> copied properly, and thats why some people had the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem >>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my guess is you just need to axe the password to the >>>>> airport. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That at least lets you start the config from scratch. :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sean >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> -M >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> There are 10 kinds of people in this world: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> -M >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There are 10 kinds of people in this world: >>>>>>>>>>> Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> -M >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There are 10 kinds of people in this world: >>>>>>>>> Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Michael George >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Michael George >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -Michael George >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -Michael George >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From karl.schuttler at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 22:32:45 2008 From: karl.schuttler at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 22:32:45 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] July 10th & 17th Meeting at Bells Pizza Message-ID: <984d708a0807071932y31b6afb8w253ba4c797ab9836@mail.gmail.com> The next two GLLUG meetings (10th and 17th) we will be meeting at Bell's pizza on Grand River Ave. in East Lansing, MI by the MSU campus. Google map available at http://tinyurl.com/66q5l2 From rexykik at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 22:42:55 2008 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 22:42:55 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Anyone with experience with Macs and AirPort Extreme? In-Reply-To: References: <60134.74.204.24.74.1213642984.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> <100a43e48c7a5bf5a03ddb7d5717b4be.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> Message-ID: <984d708a0807071942x3fbfa1edqecf0719189d7cc5@mail.gmail.com> Oke-doke, non-biased Apple employee. On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 10:24 PM, Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: > Again, you are setting yourself for failure. The WRT54GL is buggy, > even worse when used with DDWRT. > Give up and get a descent router. My recomendation is an Airport > Extreme, but if you'd like to save some cash, get a cheap Netgear N > router... > > On Jul 7, 2008, at 4:01 PM, Michael George wrote: > >> Well, for anyone who cares about this thread, the "fix" didn't. It >> helped >> a bit, but the connection would just drop without reason. We moved >> the >> computer to the other side of the room to hopefully get better >> reception, >> but it is still unreliable at best. >> >> We could sit there with a fill signal indicated and start browsing >> and the >> signal would drop to nothing and get dropped. It might not >> reconnect for >> hours, no matter what I did. Sometimes I'd come home from work and my >> wife would be mad that she couldn't get on all day and I'll wake it >> up and >> it'll have full strength signal and stay like that for hours. >> >> The iBook, on the other hand (with an original airport card) will >> connect >> readily from anywhere in the house and maintain that awesome >> signal. So >> it's not interference or a flakey WAP. The only thing it *could* be >> is >> that 802.11b is more reliable than the 802.11g. >> >> So, I've given up. Newegg has a special on Linksys WRT54GL routers >> (free >> shipping, $50, and a $10 rebate on top of that) so I'm just getting >> another one. I'll put that one in place to see if that might be the >> issue, but I doubt it is. After that test, I'll use one of them as >> the >> WAP and router and the other as a bridge. It's $10 more than trying >> an >> 802.11 USB key, but it also gives me a second router on hand in case >> the >> primary should fail and another unit to use for firmware updates. >> >> On Mon, June 16, 2008 3:03 pm, Michael George wrote: >>> Tried turning off the authentication. Didn't help. >>> >>> I found a fix, though! In reading and reading and reading, I saw a >>> reference to how some people "fixed" the problem by activating and >>> then >>> deactivating IPv6. I figured it was worth a try... and it did! >>> >>> On Mon, June 16, 2008 2:53 pm, Sean O'Malley wrote: >>>> My bad. I read what you said incorrectly about the intermittant >>>> connections. :) >>>> >>>> From what I just read it appears it is an authentication/ >>>> authorization >>>> issue and there are firmware upgrades from linksys.. dd-wrt probably >>>> hasnt >>>> fixed it yet. >>>> >>>> If you turn off auth on the router, it supposedly works. >>>> >>>> *shrugs* >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Michael George wrote: >>>> >>>>> The GL has more RAM than the current G's do, not less. >>>>> >>>>> I haven't had *any* problems at all with 10.4, only with 10.5. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, June 16, 2008 11:43 am, Sean O'Malley wrote: >>>>>> Im cheap I guess. I would try changing the firmware on the router >>>>> first. >>>>>> >>>>>> Weren't those the routers that had like 1/2 as much ram as the G >>>>> series >>>>>> and a few other shortcuts to drop the price? >>>>>> >>>>>> I am just thinking if you are trying to squeeze a gui and >>>>>> software on >>>>> a >>>>>> smaller space, you might actually drop a few things along the way >>>>> just >>>>> to >>>>>> squeeze it on. >>>>>> >>>>>> The fact it doesnt really work with 10.4 (it is flaky) and it >>>>>> doesnt >>>>> work >>>>>> at all with 10.5 and other people are just having flaky issues >>>>>> with >>>>> 10.5, >>>>>> leads me to think something else might be wrong. I would triple >>>>>> check >>>>> my >>>>>> configs and make sure im running the latest known to work >>>>>> version of >>>>> the >>>>>> firmware. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have also heard of numerous issues with dd-wrt and people have >>>>> switched >>>>>> to openwrt. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Michael George wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> That is actually what I'm leaning towards. I just hadn't looked >>>>> into >>>>>>> which ones were compatible with 10.5 yet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, June 16, 2008 7:33 am, Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: >>>>>>>> another solution is to use a USB wireless adapter, Blekin and >>>>> DLink >>>>>>>> both make Mac compatible a/b/g cards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 15, 2008, at 9:31 PM, Michael George wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well, what I found is that there are a lot of networking >>>>>>>>> problems >>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> 10.5. Most of what I found had to do with extremely poor >>>>> performance >>>>>>>>> and continuously dropped connections. One post in particular >>>>> said >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> the Airport Extreme devices were no longer playing well with >>>>> Cicso >>>>>>>>> WAPs. >>>>>>>>> Whether the "cisco problem" extends into their Linksys >>>>>>>>> acquisitions, I >>>>>>>>> do not know. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My router is working fine, and I don't have any plans to change >>>>> it. >>>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>>> I had a greater need for the Mini to work I might try >>>>>>>>> OpenWRT, or >>>>>>> even >>>>>>>>> go back to the Linksys Firmware for the WRT54G... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Given that the 10.4 systems and WinXP were no-effort >>>>>>>>> connections, >>>>> I >>>>>>> am >>>>>>>>> inclined to blame Apple and I am hoping that a future update >>>>> might >>>>>>>>> resolve the issue. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Karl Schuttler wrote: >>>>>>>>>> It might be worthwhile to see if the problem exists in >>>>>>>>>> OpenWRT, >>>>>>>>>> another linux firmware for the WRT line. OpenWRT isn't tough, >>>>>>>>>> especially if you've done any networking in linux, but it is >>>>> mostly >>>>>>>>>> command line (no web gui out of the box). It may be the >>>>>>>>>> easiest >>>>>>>>>> migration to make it work, if you find that others aren't >>>>> running >>>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>>> this issue. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Michael George >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, those bastards. This is not an isolated dd-wrt issue, >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>> happening to many people with the Airport Extreme devices >>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>> 10.5. >>>>>>>>>>> It was a problem at 10.5.1 (but not under 10.4) and still is >>>>> now. >>>>>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>>>>> aren't giving it attention because they made it work with >>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>> WAPs. >>>>>>>>>>> If it doesn't work with Ciscos, they don't seem to care. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have connected my iBook (10.4) with no hesitation. I have >>>>>>>>>>> connected >>>>>>>>>>> Windows XP with no problem. The software running in dd-wrt >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>> wide use and I'm sure if there were problems with it meeting >>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> standards of 802.11b/g, they would get fixed. However, Apple >>>>>>>>>>> adopted an >>>>>>>>>>> unfinished (beta) spec (802.11n) and put it into production >>>>>>>>>>> hardware. >>>>>>>>>>> Internal to the computer, no less. When it isn't backwards >>>>>>>>>>> compatible >>>>>>>>>>> their best answer (not that they gave one) is "spend several >>>>>>>>>>> hundred $$ >>>>>>>>>>> and get one of *our* WAPs". >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If you think dd-wrt is such junk, then why don't you download >>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> latest >>>>>>>>>>> linksys firmware and install it on your router? When you do, >>>>>>> please >>>>>>>>>>> tell me if your problem goes away... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Those bastards? I blame your crappy Open Source driven >>>>>>>>>>>> router, >>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>> the same issue with my WRT54GL w/ DD-WRT is junk too... You >>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>> what u >>>>>>>>>>>> pay for... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 14, 2008, at 9:20 PM, Michael George wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, no go on either of these. I can set up an ad-hoc >>>>> network >>>>>>>>>>>>> with my >>>>>>>>>>>>> iBook and an original AirPort card (802.11b?), but it keeps >>>>>>>>>>>>> getting >>>>>>>>>>>>> connection timeouts to the Linksys/dd-wrt WAP. I am not >>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>>> to spend >>>>>>>>>>>>> $300 for a Apple WAP to connect this thing. Those bastards >>>>> make >>>>>>>>>>>>> incompatible hard/firmware and expect me to spend more $$ >>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>> them? No >>>>>>>>>>>>> way. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sean O'Malley wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesnt really seem to be a related issue, but the early >>>>> 2006 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> minis >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a firmware update for them. It is called >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Mac mini early 2006 SMC Firmware >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A more related fix would be: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=4993837 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alright, so we know that after updated to 10.5.2 people >>>>>>>>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>>> having >>>>>>>>>>>>>> trouble with Airport. I was one of them, and I figured it >>>>> out. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> what I did: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Navigate to Library\Preferences\SystemConfiguration >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Locate com.apple.airport.preferences.plist >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Drag it to trash >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Hit the spotlight, type in "Keychain Access" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a) Remove all passwords to every network >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *now I don't know if that's necessary, but I did it, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked* >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Restart Leopard >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. Connect to a network and you should be problem free >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> By deleting com.apple.airport.preferences.plist and >>>>> restarting >>>>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>>>> system, you are allowing Leopard to create the new 10.5.2 >>>>> file. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> My theory is, is that the two conflicted with each other >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> copied properly, and thats why some people had the problem >>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my guess is you just need to axe the password to the >>>>> airport. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That at least lets you start the config from scratch. :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sean >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> -M >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> There are 10 kinds of people in this world: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> -M >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There are 10 kinds of people in this world: >>>>>>>>>>> Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> -M >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There are 10 kinds of people in this world: >>>>>>>>> Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Michael George >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Michael George >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -Michael George >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -Michael George >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From rick at divinesymphony.net Mon Jul 7 23:34:07 2008 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 23:34:07 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Anyone with experience with Macs and AirPort Extreme? In-Reply-To: References: <60134.74.204.24.74.1213642984.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> <100a43e48c7a5bf5a03ddb7d5717b4be.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> Message-ID: <4872E02F.6020801@divinesymphony.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: | Again, you are setting yourself for failure. The WRT54GL is buggy, | even worse when used with DDWRT. | Give up and get a descent router. My recomendation is an Airport | Extreme, but if you'd like to save some cash, get a cheap Netgear N | router... Overall, the WRT54GL is a pretty good router, and contains some pretty impressive features. Even if Apple is 100% to spec (doubtful), the fact that it works with everything else implies that only Apple is likely doing something different (whether technically allowed or not, the behavior would still be non-standard). I'd recommend you use OpenWRT instead of DDWRT though. Basically, OpenWRT is the original reference OSS firmware, and DDWRT is a clone. DDWRT has been under a lot of heat in the past for not releasing changes back to the community. Many people on this list, including myself and several from Ideal Solutions are running WRT54G(L) units with OpenWRT and we haven't been having issues with our machines. Feature-wise, any router Apple releases don't even come close to what you can do with an OpenWRT (the same is true of any mass-market router targeted at the home user). Typical OpenWRT routers have a feature set consistent with the $15k+ commercial routers, but they just can't handle the speed or volume of connections (neither of which typically matters to even a high-end home user). -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mandriva - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIcuArUMkt1ZRwL1MRArgEAJ9d2vo/DxIGIAq+cU4sxTfzdfbEigCfYvM/ /VQzM5B2ynLm6HuQ4ClftyY= =ffBV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rick at divinesymphony.net Mon Jul 7 23:36:22 2008 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 23:36:22 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Anyone with experience with Macs and AirPort Extreme? In-Reply-To: <984d708a0807071942x3fbfa1edqecf0719189d7cc5@mail.gmail.com> References: <60134.74.204.24.74.1213642984.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> <100a43e48c7a5bf5a03ddb7d5717b4be.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> <984d708a0807071942x3fbfa1edqecf0719189d7cc5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4872E0B6.2000900@divinesymphony.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 If you REALLY want to go back at Eduardo, just make sure to post when you swap your Apple System to an AMD based Linux one :). Bonus points if you mount it inside an Apple case. Karl Schuttler wrote: | Oke-doke, non-biased Apple employee. | | On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 10:24 PM, Eduardo Cesconetto | wrote: |> Again, you are setting yourself for failure. The WRT54GL is buggy, |> even worse when used with DDWRT. |> Give up and get a descent router. My recomendation is an Airport |> Extreme, but if you'd like to save some cash, get a cheap Netgear N |> router... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mandriva - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIcuC1UMkt1ZRwL1MRApBDAJ9R6vcsvrUayMbdhiJoxCsM13watgCdHLAJ aW42ilgNYLawah20CbFaA+U= =UwvC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From marr at copper.net Mon Jul 7 23:55:32 2008 From: marr at copper.net (Marr) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 23:55:32 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] OT: workgroup printers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200807072355.32800.marr@copper.net> On Thursday 03 July 2008 10:29am, Mark Szidik/mlc wrote: > Our venerable 2001 HP 4100 is ready to be retired, and I am wondering what > I should replace it with. > > The safe answer is a HP 3005x b&w laser. > > But I am wondering about the Xerox Phaser solid-ink color printers. Anyone > have experience with them? Are they as reliable as a HP laser over 7 > years? Hi Mark, It's been a long time (about 15 years) since I used a Phaser solid-ink color printer. Back then, they were still known by the "Tektronix" name (whose printer division was bought out by Xerox sometime around 2000). I used a "Phaser III PXi" model back then. I still have a few of the (multi-color) printed sheets. Things have undoubtedly improved somewhat since then, but what I recall was the long time (about 10-15 minutes, IIRC) it took (after 1st power-up) for the wax sticks to heat up and melt enough to be ready to print. If you leave the printer on all day, it's not an issue. There was also a lot of wax waste (in a little pull-out drawer in the back, IIRC) because the printer was very infrequently used and got turned on and off each time, wasting wax every time that happened. On the plus side, the color output is nice. In fact, back in 1993, I'd have said "outstanding", given the era (when color lasers didn't really exist, at least not at any comparable price point). A minor drawback is that the waxy output on the pages is somewhat easily scratched off -- I just did it with a fingernail, on one of the color sheets I still have. Unfortunately, I have no information on reliability. While it had beautiful color output, the printer was just not practical for anything but special uses and it didn't get used enough to justify its existence, so it eventually disappeared. For a high-volume output printer, I cannot imagine that it would be very practical, even today, even assuming that some of the shortcomings have been addressed. Cost-per-page was very high back then. But I think there was a time when Tektronix offered black wax blocks for free, to encourage solid-ink printer purchases/use. The idea was to get people to use the printers to print basic B&W text-based documents instead of using a laser. I cannot imagine that ever went over very well. Lasers just beat the pants off the solid-ink printers for basic text. I guess it depends on what you really want -- nice shiny, glossy, waxy color pages or a basic workhorse. I'm a little perplexed that you're even considering a solid-ink printer if any B&W laser is an alternative. To me, color output would be the only possible advantage of a solid-ink printer, but maybe that equation has changed in the last 15 years. :^) On Monday 07 July 2008 9:23pm, Richard Houser wrote: > I can't speak for long-term reliability, but the printouts were > definitely different. They looked very good, but were a bit shiny (I > think, been almost 4 years since I've seen it now). I heard from > co-workers that the dye, wax, or whatever else you want to call it had a > tendency to flake off under certain conditions. I would agree with all of that. Except that, in my case, I've had no flaking-off of the wax, even after 15 years. But those pages were not under harsh conditions in any form either -- i.e. normal humidity, no direct sunlight, etc. For the last 9+ years, I've used a Tektronix color laser (Phaser 740) and I like it far more than the solid-ink (i.e. wax) printer of the early- to mid-90s. The color is great and there's no way to scratch the page and damage the image or text. I've had to replace the clutch which feeds the paper, but other than that, it's worked fine (under light usage, admittedly). I really don't see any disadvantages to a color laser (assuming you even need color). And the price has come down remarkably in the last 10 years. HTH.... Bill Marr From rick at divinesymphony.net Tue Jul 8 00:05:33 2008 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 00:05:33 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] OT: workgroup printers In-Reply-To: <200807072355.32800.marr@copper.net> References: <200807072355.32800.marr@copper.net> Message-ID: <4872E78D.5060705@divinesymphony.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 | I really don't see any disadvantages to a color laser (assuming you even need | color). And the price has come down remarkably in the last 10 years. I can't believe I forgot to mention this, but inkjets are also a competitor now. The inkjet sitting next to me is rated at 37 pages a minute black, and 34 pages a minute color. I've only used it lightly, but aside from some minor paper feed problems in the bulk tray, it's worked fairly well. The model I have is an HP OfficeJet K550 w/ the duplexer, ethernet connection, and bulk tray (holds somewhere around 500-600 sheets between the two trays). I think I got a refurbished one for about $160ish almost 20 months ago. HP says the ink is less expensive than the color laserjets (separate carts for each color, and separate printheads, but I haven't looked at it). It's rated at something like 5k pages a month duty cycle and a full set of the large HP inks costs just under $100 online after shipping (~60mL black, 21mL each color). -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mandriva - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIcueMUMkt1ZRwL1MRAl9gAKCQhFlJMJzUHBeuqkBJk/e3a8N+JgCeLbFa HCLzvRKOgI3cN/QekFlghBA= =ZyRF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From george at idealso.com Tue Jul 8 08:18:26 2008 From: george at idealso.com (Michael George) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 08:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] Anyone with experience with Macs and AirPort Extreme? In-Reply-To: References: <60134.74.204.24.74.1213642984.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> <100a43e48c7a5bf5a03ddb7d5717b4be.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> Message-ID: <28eec9eda7d73da3f618827ca3870562.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> Nothing says interoperability like mandated homogeneous networks. On Mon, July 7, 2008 10:24 pm, Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: > Again, you are setting yourself for failure. The WRT54GL is buggy, > even worse when used with DDWRT. > Give up and get a descent router. My recomendation is an Airport > Extreme, but if you'd like to save some cash, get a cheap Netgear N > router... > > On Jul 7, 2008, at 4:01 PM, Michael George wrote: > >> Well, for anyone who cares about this thread, the "fix" didn't. It >> helped >> a bit, but the connection would just drop without reason. We moved >> the >> computer to the other side of the room to hopefully get better >> reception, >> but it is still unreliable at best. >> >> We could sit there with a fill signal indicated and start browsing >> and the >> signal would drop to nothing and get dropped. It might not >> reconnect for >> hours, no matter what I did. Sometimes I'd come home from work and my >> wife would be mad that she couldn't get on all day and I'll wake it >> up and >> it'll have full strength signal and stay like that for hours. >> >> The iBook, on the other hand (with an original airport card) will >> connect >> readily from anywhere in the house and maintain that awesome >> signal. So >> it's not interference or a flakey WAP. The only thing it *could* be >> is >> that 802.11b is more reliable than the 802.11g. >> >> So, I've given up. Newegg has a special on Linksys WRT54GL routers >> (free >> shipping, $50, and a $10 rebate on top of that) so I'm just getting >> another one. I'll put that one in place to see if that might be the >> issue, but I doubt it is. After that test, I'll use one of them as >> the >> WAP and router and the other as a bridge. It's $10 more than trying >> an >> 802.11 USB key, but it also gives me a second router on hand in case >> the >> primary should fail and another unit to use for firmware updates. >> >> On Mon, June 16, 2008 3:03 pm, Michael George wrote: >>> Tried turning off the authentication. Didn't help. >>> >>> I found a fix, though! In reading and reading and reading, I saw a >>> reference to how some people "fixed" the problem by activating and >>> then >>> deactivating IPv6. I figured it was worth a try... and it did! >>> >>> On Mon, June 16, 2008 2:53 pm, Sean O'Malley wrote: >>>> My bad. I read what you said incorrectly about the intermittant >>>> connections. :) >>>> >>>> From what I just read it appears it is an authentication/ >>>> authorization >>>> issue and there are firmware upgrades from linksys.. dd-wrt probably >>>> hasnt >>>> fixed it yet. >>>> >>>> If you turn off auth on the router, it supposedly works. >>>> >>>> *shrugs* >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Michael George wrote: >>>> >>>>> The GL has more RAM than the current G's do, not less. >>>>> >>>>> I haven't had *any* problems at all with 10.4, only with 10.5. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, June 16, 2008 11:43 am, Sean O'Malley wrote: >>>>>> Im cheap I guess. I would try changing the firmware on the router >>>>> first. >>>>>> >>>>>> Weren't those the routers that had like 1/2 as much ram as the G >>>>> series >>>>>> and a few other shortcuts to drop the price? >>>>>> >>>>>> I am just thinking if you are trying to squeeze a gui and >>>>>> software on >>>>> a >>>>>> smaller space, you might actually drop a few things along the way >>>>> just >>>>> to >>>>>> squeeze it on. >>>>>> >>>>>> The fact it doesnt really work with 10.4 (it is flaky) and it >>>>>> doesnt >>>>> work >>>>>> at all with 10.5 and other people are just having flaky issues >>>>>> with >>>>> 10.5, >>>>>> leads me to think something else might be wrong. I would triple >>>>>> check >>>>> my >>>>>> configs and make sure im running the latest known to work >>>>>> version of >>>>> the >>>>>> firmware. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have also heard of numerous issues with dd-wrt and people have >>>>> switched >>>>>> to openwrt. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Michael George wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> That is actually what I'm leaning towards. I just hadn't looked >>>>> into >>>>>>> which ones were compatible with 10.5 yet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, June 16, 2008 7:33 am, Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: >>>>>>>> another solution is to use a USB wireless adapter, Blekin and >>>>> DLink >>>>>>>> both make Mac compatible a/b/g cards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 15, 2008, at 9:31 PM, Michael George wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well, what I found is that there are a lot of networking >>>>>>>>> problems >>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> 10.5. Most of what I found had to do with extremely poor >>>>> performance >>>>>>>>> and continuously dropped connections. One post in particular >>>>> said >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> the Airport Extreme devices were no longer playing well with >>>>> Cicso >>>>>>>>> WAPs. >>>>>>>>> Whether the "cisco problem" extends into their Linksys >>>>>>>>> acquisitions, I >>>>>>>>> do not know. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My router is working fine, and I don't have any plans to change >>>>> it. >>>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>>> I had a greater need for the Mini to work I might try >>>>>>>>> OpenWRT, or >>>>>>> even >>>>>>>>> go back to the Linksys Firmware for the WRT54G... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Given that the 10.4 systems and WinXP were no-effort >>>>>>>>> connections, >>>>> I >>>>>>> am >>>>>>>>> inclined to blame Apple and I am hoping that a future update >>>>> might >>>>>>>>> resolve the issue. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Karl Schuttler wrote: >>>>>>>>>> It might be worthwhile to see if the problem exists in >>>>>>>>>> OpenWRT, >>>>>>>>>> another linux firmware for the WRT line. OpenWRT isn't tough, >>>>>>>>>> especially if you've done any networking in linux, but it is >>>>> mostly >>>>>>>>>> command line (no web gui out of the box). It may be the >>>>>>>>>> easiest >>>>>>>>>> migration to make it work, if you find that others aren't >>>>> running >>>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>>> this issue. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Michael George >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, those bastards. This is not an isolated dd-wrt issue, >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>> happening to many people with the Airport Extreme devices >>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>> 10.5. >>>>>>>>>>> It was a problem at 10.5.1 (but not under 10.4) and still is >>>>> now. >>>>>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>>>>> aren't giving it attention because they made it work with >>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>> WAPs. >>>>>>>>>>> If it doesn't work with Ciscos, they don't seem to care. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have connected my iBook (10.4) with no hesitation. I have >>>>>>>>>>> connected >>>>>>>>>>> Windows XP with no problem. The software running in dd-wrt >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>> wide use and I'm sure if there were problems with it meeting >>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> standards of 802.11b/g, they would get fixed. However, Apple >>>>>>>>>>> adopted an >>>>>>>>>>> unfinished (beta) spec (802.11n) and put it into production >>>>>>>>>>> hardware. >>>>>>>>>>> Internal to the computer, no less. When it isn't backwards >>>>>>>>>>> compatible >>>>>>>>>>> their best answer (not that they gave one) is "spend several >>>>>>>>>>> hundred $$ >>>>>>>>>>> and get one of *our* WAPs". >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If you think dd-wrt is such junk, then why don't you download >>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> latest >>>>>>>>>>> linksys firmware and install it on your router? When you do, >>>>>>> please >>>>>>>>>>> tell me if your problem goes away... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Those bastards? I blame your crappy Open Source driven >>>>>>>>>>>> router, >>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>> the same issue with my WRT54GL w/ DD-WRT is junk too... You >>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>> what u >>>>>>>>>>>> pay for... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 14, 2008, at 9:20 PM, Michael George wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, no go on either of these. I can set up an ad-hoc >>>>> network >>>>>>>>>>>>> with my >>>>>>>>>>>>> iBook and an original AirPort card (802.11b?), but it keeps >>>>>>>>>>>>> getting >>>>>>>>>>>>> connection timeouts to the Linksys/dd-wrt WAP. I am not >>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>>> to spend >>>>>>>>>>>>> $300 for a Apple WAP to connect this thing. Those bastards >>>>> make >>>>>>>>>>>>> incompatible hard/firmware and expect me to spend more $$ >>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>> them? No >>>>>>>>>>>>> way. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sean O'Malley wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesnt really seem to be a related issue, but the early >>>>> 2006 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> minis >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a firmware update for them. It is called >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Mac mini early 2006 SMC Firmware >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A more related fix would be: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=4993837 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alright, so we know that after updated to 10.5.2 people >>>>>>>>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>>> having >>>>>>>>>>>>>> trouble with Airport. I was one of them, and I figured it >>>>> out. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> what I did: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Navigate to Library\Preferences\SystemConfiguration >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Locate com.apple.airport.preferences.plist >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Drag it to trash >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Hit the spotlight, type in "Keychain Access" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a) Remove all passwords to every network >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *now I don't know if that's necessary, but I did it, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked* >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Restart Leopard >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. Connect to a network and you should be problem free >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> By deleting com.apple.airport.preferences.plist and >>>>> restarting >>>>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>>>> system, you are allowing Leopard to create the new 10.5.2 >>>>> file. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> My theory is, is that the two conflicted with each other >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> copied properly, and thats why some people had the problem >>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my guess is you just need to axe the password to the >>>>> airport. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That at least lets you start the config from scratch. :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sean >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> -M >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> There are 10 kinds of people in this world: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> -M >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There are 10 kinds of people in this world: >>>>>>>>>>> Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> -M >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There are 10 kinds of people in this world: >>>>>>>>> Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Michael George >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Michael George >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -Michael George >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -Michael George >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -Michael George From george at idealso.com Tue Jul 8 08:21:27 2008 From: george at idealso.com (Michael George) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 08:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] Anyone with experience with Macs and AirPort Extreme? In-Reply-To: <4872E02F.6020801@divinesymphony.net> References: <60134.74.204.24.74.1213642984.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> <100a43e48c7a5bf5a03ddb7d5717b4be.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> <4872E02F.6020801@divinesymphony.net> Message-ID: <29afbb4170c8f362a4ac6e50e7ea628b.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> Thanks for the recommendation of OpenWRT. Others have also made that suggestion. I am thinking now may be a good time to do it, since I'll have two of them and can leapfrog from one to the other. On Mon, July 7, 2008 11:34 pm, Richard Houser wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: > | Again, you are setting yourself for failure. The WRT54GL is buggy, > | even worse when used with DDWRT. > | Give up and get a descent router. My recomendation is an Airport > | Extreme, but if you'd like to save some cash, get a cheap Netgear N > | router... > > Overall, the WRT54GL is a pretty good router, and contains some pretty > impressive features. Even if Apple is 100% to spec (doubtful), the fact > that it works with everything else implies that only Apple is likely > doing something different (whether technically allowed or not, the > behavior would still be non-standard). > > I'd recommend you use OpenWRT instead of DDWRT though. Basically, > OpenWRT is the original reference OSS firmware, and DDWRT is a clone. > DDWRT has been under a lot of heat in the past for not releasing changes > back to the community. Many people on this list, including myself and > several from Ideal Solutions are running WRT54G(L) units with OpenWRT > and we haven't been having issues with our machines. > > Feature-wise, any router Apple releases don't even come close to what > you can do with an OpenWRT (the same is true of any mass-market router > targeted at the home user). Typical OpenWRT routers have a feature set > consistent with the $15k+ commercial routers, but they just can't handle > the speed or volume of connections (neither of which typically matters > to even a high-end home user). > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mandriva - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFIcuArUMkt1ZRwL1MRArgEAJ9d2vo/DxIGIAq+cU4sxTfzdfbEigCfYvM/ > /VQzM5B2ynLm6HuQ4ClftyY= > =ffBV > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -Michael George From george at idealso.com Tue Jul 8 09:11:06 2008 From: george at idealso.com (Michael George) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 09:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] OpenWRT reading recommendation Message-ID: <88e7d20efded1caa76ccc7ad758eeb4a.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> I should be getting my new Linksys WRT54GL tomorrow and my wife will be wanting it installed to get her system online ASAP. It looks from the OpenWRT site like one can install x-wrt, which is developed in conjunction with OpenWRT and which has a handy web interface for configuration. And it's only 0.1Mb bigger than openwrt. This has some appeal. Anyone have experience with x-wrt they'd like to share? If I go straight cli openwrt, what do y'all recommend for an overview document? I found this for installation on the WRT54GL: http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Hardware/Linksys/WRT54GL?highlight=%28OpenWrtDocs/Hardware%29 But that just gives step-by-step instructions for sample configuration, whereas I would like an overview of how the system works internally so I can understand what's going on. Is this an adequate page for that: http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/KamikazeConfiguration (which links to: http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/NetworkInterfaces) The manual (http://downloads.openwrt.org/kamikaze/docs/openwrt.html) seems to be a little thin... -Michael George From eduardo at cesconetto.com Tue Jul 8 11:25:25 2008 From: eduardo at cesconetto.com (Eduardo Cesconetto) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:25:25 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Anyone with experience with Macs and AirPort Extreme? In-Reply-To: <29afbb4170c8f362a4ac6e50e7ea628b.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> References: <60134.74.204.24.74.1213642984.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> <100a43e48c7a5bf5a03ddb7d5717b4be.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> <4872E02F.6020801@divinesymphony.net> <29afbb4170c8f362a4ac6e50e7ea628b.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> Message-ID: I am biased, no doubt. But I am also pissed with my WRT54GL, yes, it is full of functions, but if they worked it would be nice. I am for quality. If you like to spend your time trying to figure out why your network FAIL all the time, get the WRT54G, I rather spend that time being productive... You can get a Netgear RangeMax WNR834B for 50 bucks at TigerDirect, and be done with it. See Rick, no Apple!!!! http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3641947&Sku=N100-2079&SRCCODE=GOOGLEBASE&cm_mmc_o=TBBTkwCjCVyBpAgf%20mwzygtCjCVRqCjCVRq On Jul 8, 2008, at 8:21 AM, Michael George wrote: > Thanks for the recommendation of OpenWRT. Others have also made that > suggestion. I am thinking now may be a good time to do it, since I'll > have two of them and can leapfrog from one to the other. > > On Mon, July 7, 2008 11:34 pm, Richard Houser wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: >> | Again, you are setting yourself for failure. The WRT54GL is buggy, >> | even worse when used with DDWRT. >> | Give up and get a descent router. My recomendation is an Airport >> | Extreme, but if you'd like to save some cash, get a cheap Netgear N >> | router... >> >> Overall, the WRT54GL is a pretty good router, and contains some >> pretty >> impressive features. Even if Apple is 100% to spec (doubtful), the >> fact >> that it works with everything else implies that only Apple is likely >> doing something different (whether technically allowed or not, the >> behavior would still be non-standard). >> >> I'd recommend you use OpenWRT instead of DDWRT though. Basically, >> OpenWRT is the original reference OSS firmware, and DDWRT is a clone. >> DDWRT has been under a lot of heat in the past for not releasing >> changes >> back to the community. Many people on this list, including myself >> and >> several from Ideal Solutions are running WRT54G(L) units with OpenWRT >> and we haven't been having issues with our machines. >> >> Feature-wise, any router Apple releases don't even come close to what >> you can do with an OpenWRT (the same is true of any mass-market >> router >> targeted at the home user). Typical OpenWRT routers have a feature >> set >> consistent with the $15k+ commercial routers, but they just can't >> handle >> the speed or volume of connections (neither of which typically >> matters >> to even a high-end home user). >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mandriva - http://enigmail.mozdev.org >> >> iD8DBQFIcuArUMkt1ZRwL1MRArgEAJ9d2vo/DxIGIAq+cU4sxTfzdfbEigCfYvM/ >> /VQzM5B2ynLm6HuQ4ClftyY= >> =ffBV >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> > > > -Michael George > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From george at idealso.com Tue Jul 8 11:53:45 2008 From: george at idealso.com (Michael George) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] Anyone with experience with Macs and AirPort Extreme? In-Reply-To: References: <60134.74.204.24.74.1213642984.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> <100a43e48c7a5bf5a03ddb7d5717b4be.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> <4872E02F.6020801@divinesymphony.net> <29afbb4170c8f362a4ac6e50e7ea628b.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> Message-ID: Do you have dd-wrt on the wrt54gl? If so, why don't you put the Linksys firmware back onto it? If you have tried both, then maybe it's a hardware problem. Newegg has the 54gl rated quite high by customers, so maybe you have a fluke. On the other hand, if your "failures" are that you cannot reliably connect from Macs, then maybe the problem is the Macs, not the router. If I didn't have the old iBook to test, I would perhaps think the router was the problem, too. On Tue, July 8, 2008 11:25 am, Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: > I am biased, no doubt. But I am also pissed with my WRT54GL, yes, it > is full of functions, but if they worked it would be nice. I am for > quality. If you like to spend your time trying to figure out why your > network FAIL all the time, get the WRT54G, I rather spend that time > being productive... > > You can get a Netgear RangeMax WNR834B for 50 bucks at TigerDirect, > and be done with it. See Rick, no Apple!!!! > > http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3641947&Sku=N100-2079&SRCCODE=GOOGLEBASE&cm_mmc_o=TBBTkwCjCVyBpAgf%20mwzygtCjCVRqCjCVRq > > > > On Jul 8, 2008, at 8:21 AM, Michael George wrote: > >> Thanks for the recommendation of OpenWRT. Others have also made that >> suggestion. I am thinking now may be a good time to do it, since I'll >> have two of them and can leapfrog from one to the other. >> >> On Mon, July 7, 2008 11:34 pm, Richard Houser wrote: >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: >>> | Again, you are setting yourself for failure. The WRT54GL is buggy, >>> | even worse when used with DDWRT. >>> | Give up and get a descent router. My recomendation is an Airport >>> | Extreme, but if you'd like to save some cash, get a cheap Netgear N >>> | router... >>> >>> Overall, the WRT54GL is a pretty good router, and contains some >>> pretty >>> impressive features. Even if Apple is 100% to spec (doubtful), the >>> fact >>> that it works with everything else implies that only Apple is likely >>> doing something different (whether technically allowed or not, the >>> behavior would still be non-standard). >>> >>> I'd recommend you use OpenWRT instead of DDWRT though. Basically, >>> OpenWRT is the original reference OSS firmware, and DDWRT is a clone. >>> DDWRT has been under a lot of heat in the past for not releasing >>> changes >>> back to the community. Many people on this list, including myself >>> and >>> several from Ideal Solutions are running WRT54G(L) units with OpenWRT >>> and we haven't been having issues with our machines. >>> >>> Feature-wise, any router Apple releases don't even come close to what >>> you can do with an OpenWRT (the same is true of any mass-market >>> router >>> targeted at the home user). Typical OpenWRT routers have a feature >>> set >>> consistent with the $15k+ commercial routers, but they just can't >>> handle >>> the speed or volume of connections (neither of which typically >>> matters >>> to even a high-end home user). >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) >>> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mandriva - http://enigmail.mozdev.org >>> >>> iD8DBQFIcuArUMkt1ZRwL1MRArgEAJ9d2vo/DxIGIAq+cU4sxTfzdfbEigCfYvM/ >>> /VQzM5B2ynLm6HuQ4ClftyY= >>> =ffBV >>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> >> >> >> -Michael George >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -Michael George From eduardo at cesconetto.com Tue Jul 8 12:01:10 2008 From: eduardo at cesconetto.com (Eduardo Cesconetto) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 12:01:10 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Anyone with experience with Macs and AirPort Extreme? In-Reply-To: References: <60134.74.204.24.74.1213642984.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> <100a43e48c7a5bf5a03ddb7d5717b4be.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> <4872E02F.6020801@divinesymphony.net> <29afbb4170c8f362a4ac6e50e7ea628b.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> Message-ID: <6A29224A-5A67-459C-88F7-3873F55F1A23@cesconetto.com> On Jul 8, 2008, at 11:53 AM, Michael George wrote: > Do you have dd-wrt on the wrt54gl? If so, why don't you put the > Linksys > firmware back onto it? Tried with both firmware, they fail in different areas, the original has range issues, and DDWRT is looses simply have "hick-ups" and looses connection for less then a second, of course then killing my downloads.. > > > If you have tried both, then maybe it's a hardware problem. > Newegg has > the 54gl rated quite high by customers, so maybe you have a fluke. > > On the other hand, if your "failures" are that you cannot reliably > connect > from Macs, then maybe the problem is the Macs, not the router. If I > didn't have the old iBook to test, I would perhaps think the router > was > the problem, too. I had my neighbor's 2 PCs pinging and downloading stuff overnight from my router, same fail points. I then had the router RMA'd by Linksys, and the same issues persisted... I believe it all comes down to the N draft, N routers play well with any older protocols, but N cards don't like older routers... > > > On Tue, July 8, 2008 11:25 am, Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: >> I am biased, no doubt. But I am also pissed with my WRT54GL, yes, it >> is full of functions, but if they worked it would be nice. I am for >> quality. If you like to spend your time trying to figure out why your >> network FAIL all the time, get the WRT54G, I rather spend that time >> being productive... >> >> You can get a Netgear RangeMax WNR834B for 50 bucks at TigerDirect, >> and be done with it. See Rick, no Apple!!!! >> >> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3641947&Sku=N100-2079&SRCCODE=GOOGLEBASE&cm_mmc_o=TBBTkwCjCVyBpAgf%20mwzygtCjCVRqCjCVRq >> >> >> >> On Jul 8, 2008, at 8:21 AM, Michael George wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the recommendation of OpenWRT. Others have also made >>> that >>> suggestion. I am thinking now may be a good time to do it, since >>> I'll >>> have two of them and can leapfrog from one to the other. >>> >>> On Mon, July 7, 2008 11:34 pm, Richard Houser wrote: >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>> >>>> Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: >>>> | Again, you are setting yourself for failure. The WRT54GL is >>>> buggy, >>>> | even worse when used with DDWRT. >>>> | Give up and get a descent router. My recomendation is an Airport >>>> | Extreme, but if you'd like to save some cash, get a cheap >>>> Netgear N >>>> | router... >>>> >>>> Overall, the WRT54GL is a pretty good router, and contains some >>>> pretty >>>> impressive features. Even if Apple is 100% to spec (doubtful), the >>>> fact >>>> that it works with everything else implies that only Apple is >>>> likely >>>> doing something different (whether technically allowed or not, the >>>> behavior would still be non-standard). >>>> >>>> I'd recommend you use OpenWRT instead of DDWRT though. Basically, >>>> OpenWRT is the original reference OSS firmware, and DDWRT is a >>>> clone. >>>> DDWRT has been under a lot of heat in the past for not releasing >>>> changes >>>> back to the community. Many people on this list, including myself >>>> and >>>> several from Ideal Solutions are running WRT54G(L) units with >>>> OpenWRT >>>> and we haven't been having issues with our machines. >>>> >>>> Feature-wise, any router Apple releases don't even come close to >>>> what >>>> you can do with an OpenWRT (the same is true of any mass-market >>>> router >>>> targeted at the home user). Typical OpenWRT routers have a feature >>>> set >>>> consistent with the $15k+ commercial routers, but they just can't >>>> handle >>>> the speed or volume of connections (neither of which typically >>>> matters >>>> to even a high-end home user). >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) >>>> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mandriva - http://enigmail.mozdev.org >>>> >>>> iD8DBQFIcuArUMkt1ZRwL1MRArgEAJ9d2vo/DxIGIAq+cU4sxTfzdfbEigCfYvM/ >>>> /VQzM5B2ynLm6HuQ4ClftyY= >>>> =ffBV >>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> >>> >>> >>> -Michael George >>> _______________________________________________ >>> linux-user mailing list >>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> > > > -Michael George From george at idealso.com Tue Jul 8 12:54:44 2008 From: george at idealso.com (Michael George) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 12:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] Anyone with experience with Macs and AirPort Extreme? In-Reply-To: <6A29224A-5A67-459C-88F7-3873F55F1A23@cesconetto.com> References: <60134.74.204.24.74.1213642984.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> <100a43e48c7a5bf5a03ddb7d5717b4be.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> <4872E02F.6020801@divinesymphony.net> <29afbb4170c8f362a4ac6e50e7ea628b.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> <6A29224A-5A67-459C-88F7-3873F55F1A23@cesconetto.com> Message-ID: On Tue, July 8, 2008 12:01 pm, Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: > > On Jul 8, 2008, at 11:53 AM, Michael George wrote: > >> Do you have dd-wrt on the wrt54gl? If so, why don't you put the >> Linksys >> firmware back onto it? > Tried with both firmware, they fail in different areas, the original > has range issues, and DDWRT is looses simply have "hick-ups" and > looses connection for less then a second, of course then killing my > downloads.. >> >> >> If you have tried both, then maybe it's a hardware problem. >> Newegg has >> the 54gl rated quite high by customers, so maybe you have a fluke. >> >> On the other hand, if your "failures" are that you cannot reliably >> connect >> from Macs, then maybe the problem is the Macs, not the router. If I >> didn't have the old iBook to test, I would perhaps think the router >> was >> the problem, too. > I had my neighbor's 2 PCs pinging and downloading stuff overnight from > my router, same fail points. I then had the router RMA'd by Linksys, > and the same issues persisted... > > I believe it all comes down to the N draft, N routers play well with > any older protocols, but N cards don't like older routers... Have you had *anyone* connect to the router and use it with success? Does a wired connection work correctly? > >> >> >> On Tue, July 8, 2008 11:25 am, Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: >>> I am biased, no doubt. But I am also pissed with my WRT54GL, yes, it >>> is full of functions, but if they worked it would be nice. I am for >>> quality. If you like to spend your time trying to figure out why your >>> network FAIL all the time, get the WRT54G, I rather spend that time >>> being productive... >>> >>> You can get a Netgear RangeMax WNR834B for 50 bucks at TigerDirect, >>> and be done with it. See Rick, no Apple!!!! >>> >>> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3641947&Sku=N100-2079&SRCCODE=GOOGLEBASE&cm_mmc_o=TBBTkwCjCVyBpAgf%20mwzygtCjCVRqCjCVRq >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jul 8, 2008, at 8:21 AM, Michael George wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks for the recommendation of OpenWRT. Others have also made >>>> that >>>> suggestion. I am thinking now may be a good time to do it, since >>>> I'll >>>> have two of them and can leapfrog from one to the other. >>>> >>>> On Mon, July 7, 2008 11:34 pm, Richard Houser wrote: >>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>>> >>>>> Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: >>>>> | Again, you are setting yourself for failure. The WRT54GL is >>>>> buggy, >>>>> | even worse when used with DDWRT. >>>>> | Give up and get a descent router. My recomendation is an Airport >>>>> | Extreme, but if you'd like to save some cash, get a cheap >>>>> Netgear N >>>>> | router... >>>>> >>>>> Overall, the WRT54GL is a pretty good router, and contains some >>>>> pretty >>>>> impressive features. Even if Apple is 100% to spec (doubtful), the >>>>> fact >>>>> that it works with everything else implies that only Apple is >>>>> likely >>>>> doing something different (whether technically allowed or not, the >>>>> behavior would still be non-standard). >>>>> >>>>> I'd recommend you use OpenWRT instead of DDWRT though. Basically, >>>>> OpenWRT is the original reference OSS firmware, and DDWRT is a >>>>> clone. >>>>> DDWRT has been under a lot of heat in the past for not releasing >>>>> changes >>>>> back to the community. Many people on this list, including myself >>>>> and >>>>> several from Ideal Solutions are running WRT54G(L) units with >>>>> OpenWRT >>>>> and we haven't been having issues with our machines. >>>>> >>>>> Feature-wise, any router Apple releases don't even come close to >>>>> what >>>>> you can do with an OpenWRT (the same is true of any mass-market >>>>> router >>>>> targeted at the home user). Typical OpenWRT routers have a feature >>>>> set >>>>> consistent with the $15k+ commercial routers, but they just can't >>>>> handle >>>>> the speed or volume of connections (neither of which typically >>>>> matters >>>>> to even a high-end home user). >>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) >>>>> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mandriva - http://enigmail.mozdev.org >>>>> >>>>> iD8DBQFIcuArUMkt1ZRwL1MRArgEAJ9d2vo/DxIGIAq+cU4sxTfzdfbEigCfYvM/ >>>>> /VQzM5B2ynLm6HuQ4ClftyY= >>>>> =ffBV >>>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Michael George >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> linux-user mailing list >>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>> >> >> >> -Michael George > -Michael George From eduardo at cesconetto.com Tue Jul 8 14:58:56 2008 From: eduardo at cesconetto.com (Eduardo Cesconetto) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:58:56 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Anyone with experience with Macs and AirPort Extreme? In-Reply-To: References: <60134.74.204.24.74.1213642984.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> <100a43e48c7a5bf5a03ddb7d5717b4be.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> <4872E02F.6020801@divinesymphony.net> <29afbb4170c8f362a4ac6e50e7ea628b.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> <6A29224A-5A67-459C-88F7-3873F55F1A23@cesconetto.com> Message-ID: <5FE1014F-C2CD-44C3-BAD8-AFAA561A5BAA@cesconetto.com> No problem with wired using DDWRT, for example, my Netgear Skype Cordless phone connects to the router using cat 5 and never dropped a call or lost quality.. On Jul 8, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Michael George wrote: > On Tue, July 8, 2008 12:01 pm, Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: >> >> On Jul 8, 2008, at 11:53 AM, Michael George wrote: >> >>> Do you have dd-wrt on the wrt54gl? If so, why don't you put the >>> Linksys >>> firmware back onto it? >> Tried with both firmware, they fail in different areas, the original >> has range issues, and DDWRT is looses simply have "hick-ups" and >> looses connection for less then a second, of course then killing my >> downloads.. >>> >>> >>> If you have tried both, then maybe it's a hardware problem. >>> Newegg has >>> the 54gl rated quite high by customers, so maybe you have a fluke. >>> >>> On the other hand, if your "failures" are that you cannot reliably >>> connect >>> from Macs, then maybe the problem is the Macs, not the router. If I >>> didn't have the old iBook to test, I would perhaps think the router >>> was >>> the problem, too. >> I had my neighbor's 2 PCs pinging and downloading stuff overnight >> from >> my router, same fail points. I then had the router RMA'd by Linksys, >> and the same issues persisted... >> >> I believe it all comes down to the N draft, N routers play well with >> any older protocols, but N cards don't like older routers... > > Have you had *anyone* connect to the router and use it with > success? Does > a wired connection work correctly? > >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, July 8, 2008 11:25 am, Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: >>>> I am biased, no doubt. But I am also pissed with my WRT54GL, yes, >>>> it >>>> is full of functions, but if they worked it would be nice. I am for >>>> quality. If you like to spend your time trying to figure out why >>>> your >>>> network FAIL all the time, get the WRT54G, I rather spend that time >>>> being productive... >>>> >>>> You can get a Netgear RangeMax WNR834B for 50 bucks at TigerDirect, >>>> and be done with it. See Rick, no Apple!!!! >>>> >>>> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3641947&Sku=N100-2079&SRCCODE=GOOGLEBASE&cm_mmc_o=TBBTkwCjCVyBpAgf%20mwzygtCjCVRqCjCVRq >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jul 8, 2008, at 8:21 AM, Michael George wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks for the recommendation of OpenWRT. Others have also made >>>>> that >>>>> suggestion. I am thinking now may be a good time to do it, since >>>>> I'll >>>>> have two of them and can leapfrog from one to the other. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, July 7, 2008 11:34 pm, Richard Houser wrote: >>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>>>> >>>>>> Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: >>>>>> | Again, you are setting yourself for failure. The WRT54GL is >>>>>> buggy, >>>>>> | even worse when used with DDWRT. >>>>>> | Give up and get a descent router. My recomendation is an >>>>>> Airport >>>>>> | Extreme, but if you'd like to save some cash, get a cheap >>>>>> Netgear N >>>>>> | router... >>>>>> >>>>>> Overall, the WRT54GL is a pretty good router, and contains some >>>>>> pretty >>>>>> impressive features. Even if Apple is 100% to spec (doubtful), >>>>>> the >>>>>> fact >>>>>> that it works with everything else implies that only Apple is >>>>>> likely >>>>>> doing something different (whether technically allowed or not, >>>>>> the >>>>>> behavior would still be non-standard). >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd recommend you use OpenWRT instead of DDWRT though. >>>>>> Basically, >>>>>> OpenWRT is the original reference OSS firmware, and DDWRT is a >>>>>> clone. >>>>>> DDWRT has been under a lot of heat in the past for not releasing >>>>>> changes >>>>>> back to the community. Many people on this list, including >>>>>> myself >>>>>> and >>>>>> several from Ideal Solutions are running WRT54G(L) units with >>>>>> OpenWRT >>>>>> and we haven't been having issues with our machines. >>>>>> >>>>>> Feature-wise, any router Apple releases don't even come close to >>>>>> what >>>>>> you can do with an OpenWRT (the same is true of any mass-market >>>>>> router >>>>>> targeted at the home user). Typical OpenWRT routers have a >>>>>> feature >>>>>> set >>>>>> consistent with the $15k+ commercial routers, but they just can't >>>>>> handle >>>>>> the speed or volume of connections (neither of which typically >>>>>> matters >>>>>> to even a high-end home user). >>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>>>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) >>>>>> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mandriva - http://enigmail.mozdev.org >>>>>> >>>>>> iD8DBQFIcuArUMkt1ZRwL1MRArgEAJ9d2vo/DxIGIAq+cU4sxTfzdfbEigCfYvM/ >>>>>> /VQzM5B2ynLm6HuQ4ClftyY= >>>>>> =ffBV >>>>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Michael George >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>> >>> >>> >>> -Michael George >> > > > -Michael George From charles at bityard.net Tue Jul 8 16:36:47 2008 From: charles at bityard.net (charles at bityard.net) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 16:36:47 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] OpenWRT reading recommendation In-Reply-To: <88e7d20efded1caa76ccc7ad758eeb4a.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> References: <88e7d20efded1caa76ccc7ad758eeb4a.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> Message-ID: <8e690af80807081336jfd1b139v5f2ddba4d36b4380@mail.gmail.com> Unless you're planning on doing anything fancy, X-WRT is a good option. It's not as flashy as DD-WRT and can be a little confusion but it generally works well. It's what I use at home. My only complaint is that inbound port forwarding sometimes stops working and I have to reboot the router to get it to work again. Another downside with OpenWRT/X-WRT is that development on both moves at a snail's pace, so getting a bug fixed or a feature added takes quite a long time. Charles On 7/8/08, Michael George wrote: > I should be getting my new Linksys WRT54GL tomorrow and my wife will be > wanting it installed to get her system online ASAP. > > It looks from the OpenWRT site like one can install x-wrt, which is > developed in conjunction with OpenWRT and which has a handy web interface > for configuration. And it's only 0.1Mb bigger than openwrt. This has > some appeal. Anyone have experience with x-wrt they'd like to share? > > If I go straight cli openwrt, what do y'all recommend for an overview > document? I found this for installation on the WRT54GL: > http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Hardware/Linksys/WRT54GL?highlight=%28OpenWrtDocs/Hardware%29 > > But that just gives step-by-step instructions for sample configuration, > whereas I would like an overview of how the system works internally so I > can understand what's going on. Is this an adequate page for that: > http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/KamikazeConfiguration > (which links to: http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/NetworkInterfaces) > > The manual (http://downloads.openwrt.org/kamikaze/docs/openwrt.html) seems > to be a little thin... > > -Michael George > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From rick at divinesymphony.net Tue Jul 8 21:09:42 2008 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:09:42 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Anyone with experience with Macs and AirPort Extreme? In-Reply-To: <6A29224A-5A67-459C-88F7-3873F55F1A23@cesconetto.com> References: <60134.74.204.24.74.1213642984.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> <100a43e48c7a5bf5a03ddb7d5717b4be.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> <4872E02F.6020801@divinesymphony.net> <29afbb4170c8f362a4ac6e50e7ea628b.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> <6A29224A-5A67-459C-88F7-3873F55F1A23@cesconetto.com> Message-ID: <48740FD6.5040707@divinesymphony.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 | I believe it all comes down to the N draft, N routers play well with any | older protocols, but N cards don't like older routers... Unless you're well away from all other 2.4Ghz wireless traffic (ex. a house in a rural area -- I even have a slight overlap from my neighbors out here), I don't think 802.11N is going to be the slightest bit useful to you. Basically, it conflicts with everything in that band, as it wants to use the entire thing. By comparison, 802.11b or 802.11g use just under one third of the available range, so you'll tend to overlap with less access points. Have you tried forcing your cards into 802.11g mode? I didn't even think any of the shipping 802.11n stuff was a final spec, but rather slightly incompatible interpretations. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mandriva - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIdA/RUMkt1ZRwL1MRAuoyAKCCrzDACDP4PlVPMAq3GiPxR+wNAACgniVz igzG2cMgvKkexI1mW2tQAsY= =XOLz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rick at divinesymphony.net Tue Jul 8 21:12:53 2008 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:12:53 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] OpenWRT reading recommendation In-Reply-To: <88e7d20efded1caa76ccc7ad758eeb4a.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> References: <88e7d20efded1caa76ccc7ad758eeb4a.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> Message-ID: <48741095.1060005@divinesymphony.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I've only just started playing with Kamakazi (I have several running white russian), so I'm afraid I won't be much help. I always used SSH and vi for configuration, so I really can't help you with a GUI selection. If you do have problems with understanding the current version, you could always drop back a version as well. Michael George wrote: | I should be getting my new Linksys WRT54GL tomorrow and my wife will be | wanting it installed to get her system online ASAP. | | It looks from the OpenWRT site like one can install x-wrt, which is | developed in conjunction with OpenWRT and which has a handy web interface | for configuration. And it's only 0.1Mb bigger than openwrt. This has | some appeal. Anyone have experience with x-wrt they'd like to share? | | If I go straight cli openwrt, what do y'all recommend for an overview | document? I found this for installation on the WRT54GL: | http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Hardware/Linksys/WRT54GL?highlight=%28OpenWrtDocs/Hardware%29 | | But that just gives step-by-step instructions for sample configuration, | whereas I would like an overview of how the system works internally so I | can understand what's going on. Is this an adequate page for that: | http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/KamikazeConfiguration | (which links to: http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/NetworkInterfaces) | | The manual (http://downloads.openwrt.org/kamikaze/docs/openwrt.html) seems | to be a little thin... | | -Michael George | _______________________________________________ | linux-user mailing list | linux-user at egr.msu.edu | http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mandriva - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIdBCUUMkt1ZRwL1MRAsGwAJ9ja/kFP/EWmMtRykvOEqbeB1JyBgCeMA8b fWhssn6fUWIxnUQWIxwQOIU= =U4CC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From radema39 at msu.edu Wed Jul 9 08:39:37 2008 From: radema39 at msu.edu (Marcus Rademacher) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 08:39:37 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] GCC compile issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We're having an issue with Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4. It has GCC v3.4.6-9, as distributed by Red Hat. It is a 64-bit machine, but we'd like to be able to compile 32-bit applications from there as well. When the -m32 option is used, we get the following error: /usr/bin/ld: crt1.o: No such file: No such file or directorycollect2: ld returned 1 exit status I'm not sure if the crt1.o file is missing or just a 64-bit version, and 32-bit version is needed. Regardless, does anyone know how to deal with this? We also have an RHEL 5 box with GCC v4.1.2 installed, and we can compile as 32-bit just fine. Those binaries don't work on older linux machines. We are supporting distros running GCC 3.4, so compilingon RHEL 5 isn't an option. Thanks for any help you can give, Marcus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When the -m32 option is > used, we get the following error: > > /usr/bin/ld: crt1.o: No such file: No such file or directorycollect2: > ld returned 1 exit status > > I'm not sure if the crt1.o file is missing or just a 64-bit version, and > 32-bit version is needed. Regardless, does anyone know how to deal with > this? > > We also have an RHEL 5 box with GCC v4.1.2 installed, and we can compile as > 32-bit just fine. Those binaries don't work on older linux machines. We are > supporting distros running GCC 3.4, so compilingon RHEL 5 isn't an option. > > Thanks for any help you can give, > Marcus > -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user at egr.msu.edu http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From tad001 at sunn.net Wed Jul 9 14:52:14 2008 From: tad001 at sunn.net (Thomas Driscoll) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:52:14 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] SSH problem In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.1.20080703133314.00be19f8@pop.cyber-nos.com> References: <5.2.1.1.1.20080703133314.00be19f8@pop.cyber-nos.com> Message-ID: <20080709185213.GA4893@sunn.net> I kinda have the same problem at work. I connect thru a SonicWall firewall and it can cause my connections to be dropped if I do know keep a consistent stream between the client and host computers. I have read there are some SSH setting you can tweak a bit. But honestly, I favor using screen and just reconnect if I get disconnected. The initial connection "could" be caused by DNS is either one of these (client or host) on no RFC designed non-routed address spaces? If so you could add entries to your /etc/hosts file to help deal with this. On Thu, Jul 03, 2008 at 01:42:09PM -0400, Stanley C. Mortel wrote: > I'm having some trouble shelling into a remote server. Sometimes it just > won't connect, and when it does, if I don't keep up some activity, it seems > to lose the connection. I'll go to type something on the command line and > nothing happens. I have to close the terminal window and reconnect. When > I do that, it looks like I'm in another session, since the up arrow brings > back a different command history. I've looked at the logs but nothing is > there. Even when I set the logging level higher. When I'm on-site there > does not seem to be a problem. If I do X forwarding and have some > graphical program open, I don't seem to lose the connection. > > I'm sort of at a loss here. I checked the remote firewalls (there are two > on that end), but didn't find anything that suggested they were terminating > a connection, or even that there was a setting to control such a thing. I > uninstalled and reinstalled openssh client and server, and openssl. Is it > possible that their ISP is doing something funny? There have been some > intermittent issues with slow network response there, that I'm still > troubleshooting, but again, when I'm there I don't lose the connection. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks in advance. > > Stan > > **************************** > Stan Mortel > mortel at cyber-nos.com > **************************** > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -- Thomas Driscoll e-mail: tad001 at sunn.net phone:(517)944-2041 Do not speak ill of the dead. by: The Seven Sages From tad001 at sunn.net Wed Jul 9 15:00:40 2008 From: tad001 at sunn.net (Thomas Driscoll) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:00:40 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Binding interfaces to eachother In-Reply-To: <984d708a0807030749k686b7f34j8ebf4579e2418e10@mail.gmail.com> References: <984d708a0807030749k686b7f34j8ebf4579e2418e10@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080709190040.GB4893@sunn.net> Bridging would cause the 2 interfaces to basically become invisible (at least in my experience). Etherchannels would cause the 2 interfaces to act as one give you basically each ethernet speed there again but that is only between 2 devices. VLANing would isolate the 2 interfaces. What you would most likely do is place a small switch at your computer and use a cross-over cable between the 2 switches then plug your computer and IP phone into the small local switch. I highly recommend you use a cross-over cable between the 2 switches as I have seen many strange problems when I have let switches work out that wiring scheme on their own. On Thu, Jul 03, 2008 at 10:49:46AM -0400, Karl Schuttler wrote: > I have a IP phone that requires that i run an extra cable to my > switch. I remember at Penguincon we were trying to use some > application to bind the wireless interface on a laptop to its ethernet > port so we could feed the network from the wireless; does anyone > remember the name of that application? (for some reason i feel that it > has 'fire' in the name). My motherboard has two ethernet > interfaces...does it seem likely that i could just bind the second, > unused one, to my first one so that I don't have to have a second > ethernet cable running across my room and instead just plug the ip > phone into my second interface? > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -- Thomas Driscoll e-mail: tad001 at sunn.net phone:(517)944-2041 Do not speak ill of the dead. by: The Seven Sages From rexykik at gmail.com Wed Jul 9 15:30:27 2008 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:30:27 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Binding interfaces to eachother In-Reply-To: <20080709190040.GB4893@sunn.net> References: <984d708a0807030749k686b7f34j8ebf4579e2418e10@mail.gmail.com> <20080709190040.GB4893@sunn.net> Message-ID: <984d708a0807091230u51ea6878yb65c944395c978e9@mail.gmail.com> I got it working how i wanted, but thanks : ) On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Thomas Driscoll wrote: > Bridging would cause the 2 interfaces to basically become invisible (at least in my experience). Etherchannels would cause the 2 interfaces to act as one give you basically each ethernet speed there again but that is only between 2 devices. VLANing would isolate the 2 interfaces. > > What you would most likely do is place a small switch at your computer and use a cross-over cable between the 2 switches then plug your computer and IP phone into the small local switch. I highly recommend you use a cross-over cable between the 2 switches as I have seen many strange problems when I have let switches work out that wiring scheme on their own. > > > On Thu, Jul 03, 2008 at 10:49:46AM -0400, Karl Schuttler wrote: >> I have a IP phone that requires that i run an extra cable to my >> switch. I remember at Penguincon we were trying to use some >> application to bind the wireless interface on a laptop to its ethernet >> port so we could feed the network from the wireless; does anyone >> remember the name of that application? (for some reason i feel that it >> has 'fire' in the name). My motherboard has two ethernet >> interfaces...does it seem likely that i could just bind the second, >> unused one, to my first one so that I don't have to have a second >> ethernet cable running across my room and instead just plug the ip >> phone into my second interface? >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > -- > Thomas Driscoll > e-mail: tad001 at sunn.net > phone:(517)944-2041 > > > Do not speak ill of the dead. > > by: The Seven Sages > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From c.e.tower at gmail.com Wed Jul 9 16:45:01 2008 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:45:01 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Starting Pidgin In-Reply-To: <48719917.9030009@gmail.com> References: <549C4D03-6961-4E42-96B4-7F79FFF927DB@cesconetto.com> <4866950E.1020502@lazarusid.com> <48669AA9.80508@gmail.com> <5CA02BF3-B66D-43FA-AE2A-1C7906AA9120@cesconetto.com> <4867057B.6050002@msu.edu> <6681F662-4FBB-4AB7-BCBA-28F659304F46@cesconetto.com> <48671802.3080907@msu.edu> <4868EDDB.1040501@idealso.com> <48718665.6010205@gmail.com> <984d708a0807062007r6166a33dk9a557579e335d0c9@mail.gmail.com> <48718E74.80905@gmail.com> <48719917.9030009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4875234D.4010005@gmail.com> When I switched from using GAIM to using Pidgin, it seemed Pidgin wouldn't work properly for me. I use a script to start the applications I use when connecting to the Internet (kppp, Firefox, and AIM client). I would connect to the Internet (via dial-up) and then enter my password in Pidgin, but Pidgin would immediately say it couldn't find login.oscar.aol.com, the AIM login server. GAIM used to have no problem with this procedure. I have since discovered that, if I wait to start Pidgin until after I'm on the Internet (rather than wait to _log in_ with Pidgin until after I'm connected), it works. This indicates it's not a DNS issue (in the normal sense, at least). So now I have a two-minute delay in my script to allow me to connect to the Internet before Pidgin is run. I suspect that Pidgin is trying to find the AIM login server as soon as it starts, before I'm connected, so it might not be a problem for anyone whose PC is always connected. I might be able to work around this by adding an entry to my hosts file for the server, but my delay works fine, and who knows how often the IP address might change, or if there's a pool of servers that answer login requests? I just would like to know if anyone else ran into this problem, and, if so, how you fixed it. Perhaps a command-line parameter for Pidgin? A setting in Pidgin that I couldn't find or didn't understand? Chick From swimmerooo at yahoo.com Thu Jul 10 09:05:10 2008 From: swimmerooo at yahoo.com (Ryan) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 06:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GLLUG] Starting Pidgin Message-ID: <891915.2735.qm@web55502.mail.re4.yahoo.com> I ran into a similar problem. From home, Pidgin could not locate login.oscar.aol.com (or whatever the address is). It would take about 40 minutes before Pidgin would be able to log in, or I would go for a full day without access. Finally, I changed the port from 5190 to 80. Haven't had any troubles since. And I have a cable modem connection. Hope that helps. Ryan ----- Original Message ---- From: Chick Tower To: GLLUG Group Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2008 4:45:01 PM Subject: [GLLUG] Starting Pidgin When I switched from using GAIM to using Pidgin, it seemed Pidgin wouldn't work properly for me. I use a script to start the applications I use when connecting to the Internet (kppp, Firefox, and AIM client). I would connect to the Internet (via dial-up) and then enter my password in Pidgin, but Pidgin would immediately say it couldn't find login.oscar.aol.com, the AIM login server. GAIM used to have no problem with this procedure. I have since discovered that, if I wait to start Pidgin until after I'm on the Internet (rather than wait to _log in_ with Pidgin until after I'm connected), it works. This indicates it's not a DNS issue (in the normal sense, at least). So now I have a two-minute delay in my script to allow me to connect to the Internet before Pidgin is run. I suspect that Pidgin is trying to find the AIM login server as soon as it starts, before I'm connected, so it might not be a problem for anyone whose PC is always connected. I might be able to work around this by adding an entry to my hosts file for the server, but my delay works fine, and who knows how often the IP address might change, or if there's a pool of servers that answer login requests? I just would like to know if anyone else ran into this problem, and, if so, how you fixed it. Perhaps a command-line parameter for Pidgin? A setting in Pidgin that I couldn't find or didn't understand? Chick _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user at egr.msu.edu http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20080710/ef64fef3/attachment.html From rsmith1916 at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 09:53:56 2008 From: rsmith1916 at gmail.com (Ross Smith) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:53:56 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Starting Pidgin In-Reply-To: <891915.2735.qm@web55502.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <891915.2735.qm@web55502.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: 2008/7/10 Ryan : > I ran into a similar problem. From home, Pidgin could not locate > login.oscar.aol.com (or whatever the address is). It would take about 40 > minutes before Pidgin would be able to log in, or I would go for a full day > without access. Finally, I changed the port from 5190 to 80. Haven't had any > troubles since. And I have a cable modem connection. Hope that helps. > > Ryan > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Chick Tower > To: GLLUG Group > Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2008 4:45:01 PM > Subject: [GLLUG] Starting Pidgin > > When I switched from using GAIM to using Pidgin, it seemed Pidgin > wouldn't work properly for me. I use a script to start the applications > I use when connecting to the Internet (kppp, Firefox, and AIM client). > I would connect to the Internet (via dial-up) and then enter my password > in Pidgin, but Pidgin would immediately say it couldn't find > login.oscar.aol.com, the AIM login server. GAIM used to have no problem > with this procedure. I have since discovered that, if I wait to start > Pidgin until after I'm on the Internet (rather than wait to _log in_ > with Pidgin until after I'm connected), it works. This indicates it's > not a DNS issue (in the normal sense, at least). So now I have a > two-minute delay in my script to allow me to connect to the Internet > before Pidgin is run. I suspect that Pidgin is trying to find the AIM > login server as soon as it starts, before I'm connected, so it might not > be a problem for anyone whose PC is always connected. I might be able > to work around this by adding an entry to my hosts file for the server, > but my delay works fine, and who knows how often the IP address might > change, or if there's a pool of servers that answer login requests? > > I just would like to know if anyone else ran into this problem, and, if > so, how you fixed it. Perhaps a command-line parameter for Pidgin? A > setting in Pidgin that I couldn't find or didn't understand? > > Chick > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > Just a note; regarding security, I've found the plugin OTR (Off The Record) quite useful. I believe it comes in a package named pidgin-otr. Depending on your distro, more likely than not it's an easy install. I recommend it, works quite well and uses fingerprints. -- Ross -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20080710/2ee521f8/attachment.html From radema39 at msu.edu Thu Jul 10 12:37:09 2008 From: radema39 at msu.edu (Marcus Rademacher) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:37:09 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] GCC compile issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, that seems to have fixed the issue. Marcus 2008/7/9 Sean O'Malley : > You need the 32-bit compatibility rpms installed. > > I think the packages you need are (you might need more): > glibc-xxx.i686.rpm > glibc-devel-xxxx.i386.rpm > > Notice the i686 and i386 rather then the x86_64 or ia64 for the 64-bit > stuff. Yes you install them both. > > They should be included on the install media or they are available with > the update, etc. > > glibc-devel-xxx.i386.rpm should take care of the crt1 error. > > Sean > > > On Wed, 9 Jul 2008, Marcus Rademacher wrote: > > > We're having an issue with Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4. It has GCC > v3.4.6-9, > > as distributed by Red Hat. It is a 64-bit machine, but we'd like to be > able > > to compile 32-bit applications from there as well. When the -m32 option > is > > used, we get the following error: > > > > /usr/bin/ld: crt1.o: No such file: No such file or directorycollect2: > > ld returned 1 exit status > > > > I'm not sure if the crt1.o file is missing or just a 64-bit version, and > > 32-bit version is needed. Regardless, does anyone know how to deal with > > this? > > > > We also have an RHEL 5 box with GCC v4.1.2 installed, and we can compile > as > > 32-bit just fine. Those binaries don't work on older linux machines. We > are > > supporting distros running GCC 3.4, so compilingon RHEL 5 isn't an > option. > > > > Thanks for any help you can give, > > Marcus > > > > _______________________________________________ > > linux-user mailing list > > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20080710/ffc32292/attachment.html From exfed at hotmail.com Thu Jul 10 13:02:24 2008 From: exfed at hotmail.com (Ex Fed) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:02:24 +0000 Subject: [GLLUG] Multiple DNS implementations vulnerable to cache poisoning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Did everybody see this? Vulnerability Note VU#800113 Multiple DNS implementations vulnerable to cache poisoning http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/800113 _________________________________________________________________ It?s a talkathon ? but it?s not just talk. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20080710/2306f260/attachment.html From rexykik at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 13:27:38 2008 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:27:38 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Multiple DNS implementations vulnerable to cache poisoning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <984d708a0807101027n88d05des568767286c54c011@mail.gmail.com> Now I can! Thanks for the great font : ) Should help out Chick. 2008/7/10 Ex Fed : > Did everybody see this? > > Vulnerability Note VU#800113 > > Multiple DNS implementations vulnerable to cache poisoning > > http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/800113 > > > > ________________________________ > It's a talkathon ? but it's not just talk. Check out the i'm Talkathon. > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > From eduardo at cesconetto.com Thu Jul 10 11:12:53 2008 From: eduardo at cesconetto.com (Eduardo Cesconetto) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:12:53 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Rsvp Message-ID: <995A6D19-DC64-4D8B-8394-CB0D543297AC@cesconetto.com> I am trying to give Bells an idea of how many people will be there tonight for the meeting, so rsvp if possible before 6pm Sent from my iPod From marshal at freedombi.com Thu Jul 10 16:39:00 2008 From: marshal at freedombi.com (Marshal Newrock) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:39:00 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] PATA hard drive needed Message-ID: <20080710163900.2b68626c@archie> If anyone has a spare PATA hard drive that reads as at least 203.9GB, please let me know. 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Additional experience with software development or Cisco routers a definite plus. Must have excellent problematic debugging skills and strong written and verbal communication skills. Michael P. Flaga, Director of Systems Transaction Network Services, Inc. 3101 Technology Blvd., Ste. C. Lansing, MI 48910-8356 mflaga at tnsi.com This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information of Transaction Network Services. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20080710/b3171bfb/attachment.html From c.e.tower at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 21:52:13 2008 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:52:13 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Multiple DNS implementations vulnerable to cache poisoning In-Reply-To: <984d708a0807101027n88d05des568767286c54c011@mail.gmail.com> References: <984d708a0807101027n88d05des568767286c54c011@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4876BCCD.1030306@gmail.com> Naw, that's just the fuzzy monitor in St. Louis. The one here is nice and sharp. Chick Karl Schuttler wrote: > Now I can! > > Thanks for the great font : ) Should help out Chick. From ranti.junus at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 10:44:19 2008 From: ranti.junus at gmail.com (Ranti Junus) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:44:19 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Fwd: MSU Job - New programmer position Message-ID: <7b496ff80807110744j47e790c9gcb2a1913591a8f6c@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, Of possible interest... Feel free to forward this to anybody you think would be interested in this position. -----Original Message----- The Language Learning Center has an opening for a full-time web programmer. This is a new, exciting opportunity to use cutting-edge technology to new learning applications. This programmer will create language-learning applications for the web, Second Life, mobile phones, and other new technologies, and so requires a wide range of skills, as well as a strong interest in learning new technologies. The full posting is listed here, and is available to both internal and external candidates. https://jobs.msu.edu/applicants/jsp/shared/frameset/Frameset.jsp?time=121564 8595189 Please encourage anyone that you know to consider applying. If anyone has any questions about the position, please feel free to contact me directly. Dennie Dennie Hoopingarner, Ph.D. ??? Director, Language Learning Center Associate Director for Technology Implementation, CLEAR Michigan State University http://clear.msu.edu/dennie -- Bulk mail. Postage paid. From c.e.tower at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 23:02:21 2008 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:02:21 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Rsvp In-Reply-To: <995A6D19-DC64-4D8B-8394-CB0D543297AC@cesconetto.com> References: <995A6D19-DC64-4D8B-8394-CB0D543297AC@cesconetto.com> Message-ID: <4876CD3D.8080704@gmail.com> If I recall correctly, six people had voted for Bell's the last time I checked the poll. Five people showed up at this week's meeting. I would think that, before voting for a place for GLLUG meetings, one would at least have been to the place, to check out whatever is important to one for a meeting site. I did verify that the wireless access works, but there's only one place (with multiple outlets) to plug in electrical equipment, so if someone else is sitting there, we're screwed. There are a lot of food choices besides pizza. Bell's wasn't even close to being crowded, so there was plenty of room for us and plenty of parking, but that might or might not change during the regular school year. It is open until 4:00 a.m., in case we have longer presentations. Chick Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: > I am trying to give Bells an idea of how many people will be there > tonight for the meeting, so rsvp if possible before 6pm From rexykik at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 13:23:50 2008 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:23:50 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Rsvp In-Reply-To: <4876CD3D.8080704@gmail.com> References: <995A6D19-DC64-4D8B-8394-CB0D543297AC@cesconetto.com> <4876CD3D.8080704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <984d708a0807111023w2d02d849j4db7d400d0e6835f@mail.gmail.com> I'm your sixth; I've been there many times throughout my life and feel like I know the place pretty well. Shame about the power thing, but I wouldn't feel too bad asking if we could plug in a power strip. On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:02 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > If I recall correctly, six people had voted for Bell's the last time I > checked the poll. Five people showed up at this week's meeting. I > would think that, before voting for a place for GLLUG meetings, one > would at least have been to the place, to check out whatever is > important to one for a meeting site. I did verify that the wireless > access works, but there's only one place (with multiple outlets) to plug > in electrical equipment, so if someone else is sitting there, we're > screwed. There are a lot of food choices besides pizza. Bell's wasn't > even close to being crowded, so there was plenty of room for us and > plenty of parking, but that might or might not change during the regular > school year. It is open until 4:00 a.m., in case we have longer > presentations. > > Chick > > > Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: >> I am trying to give Bells an idea of how many people will be there >> tonight for the meeting, so rsvp if possible before 6pm > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From davefff at comcast.net Fri Jul 11 15:44:36 2008 From: davefff at comcast.net (Dave) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:44:36 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] VFW Post 701 now wired Message-ID: <4877B824.8080902@comcast.net> Hello, Just to let you all know that the VFW Post #701 at the Corner of Michigan and Rosemary is now wired. It's open most of the time, and they have a great deal of room with extra room available. Not a member of this post, but a Vet that visits it often like on Fridays when they do Karaokie. Sometimes they have food, and always have brew. Dave -- Dave Felzke KB2MVF From eduardo at cesconetto.com Fri Jul 11 23:01:03 2008 From: eduardo at cesconetto.com (Eduardo Cesconetto) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:01:03 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] VFW Post 701 now wired In-Reply-To: <4877B824.8080902@comcast.net> References: <4877B824.8080902@comcast.net> Message-ID: Parking? On Jul 11, 2008, at 3:44 PM, Dave wrote: > Hello, > > Just to let you all know that the VFW Post #701 at the Corner of > Michigan and Rosemary is now wired. > > It's open most of the time, and they have a great deal of room with > extra room available. > > Not a member of this post, but a Vet that visits it often like on > Fridays when they do Karaokie. > > Sometimes they have food, and always have brew. > > Dave > > -- > Dave Felzke KB2MVF > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From psmith.gllug at gmail.com Sat Jul 12 04:39:00 2008 From: psmith.gllug at gmail.com (Peter Smith) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 04:39:00 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] [Fwd: [Penguicon-Concom] OT- Rocky Horror Showing - St. Johns] Message-ID: <48786DA4.6090204@gmail.com> I thought I'd cross post this over here, in case anyone was interested. I'll be doing my best to hit each showing that's left; I actually just read about it in one of the free papers at the Thursday night meeting, but...this extra bit of info just makes it time .....TO DO THE TIME WARP AGAIN..... -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Penguicon-Concom] OT- Rocky Horror Showing - St. Johns Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:09:34 -0400 From: Alice Smith-Goeke As some of you may know, my father is part owner of a small movie theater in St. Johns. To say the least, it is not at all profitable and if we don't turn it around soon, it will be closing. The next fews weekends the theatre will be showing the Rocky Horror Picture Show, in an attempt to get more people to the theater and be able to keep it open. I know that many of you are fans of Rocky Horror and never get to see it on the big screen any more, so here is your chance. * The Rocky Horror Picture Show ***5 NIGHTS ONLY*** July 5th, July 11th, July 12th, July 18th & July 19th All Shows Start at 11:30 PM Patrons are encouraged to dress up as their favorite characters.* St. John's Cinema 1043 S. US-27, St. Johns, Michigan 48879 (In the South Point Mall) Phone: 989-224-2097 http://www.smalltowncinema.com/ Sincerely, Alice Smith-Goeke -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20080712/77ee27fd/attachment.html From rsmith1916 at gmail.com Sat Jul 12 13:35:40 2008 From: rsmith1916 at gmail.com (Ross Smith) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:35:40 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] VFW Post 701 now wired In-Reply-To: <4877B824.8080902@comcast.net> References: <4877B824.8080902@comcast.net> Message-ID: Nice! I have family who are members of that post. I was just there on July 4th to have my kids on their float. Nice place, one difference I noticed about the VFW's up here and in Texas. Up here they have a full bar... which is kind of odd because of all places I would expect a full bar in Texas. -- Ross On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Dave wrote: > Hello, > > Just to let you all know that the VFW Post #701 at the Corner of > Michigan and Rosemary is now wired. > > It's open most of the time, and they have a great deal of room with > extra room available. > > Not a member of this post, but a Vet that visits it often like on > Fridays when they do Karaokie. > > Sometimes they have food, and always have brew. > > Dave > > -- > Dave Felzke KB2MVF > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Which, although as I remember that isn't the worse neighborhood in town, when I had a girlfriend years ago who used to stay off Rosemary, I remember being told to keep the car in a well lit area at night. -- Ross On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: > Parking? > > On Jul 11, 2008, at 3:44 PM, Dave wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > Just to let you all know that the VFW Post #701 at the Corner of > > Michigan and Rosemary is now wired. > > > > It's open most of the time, and they have a great deal of room with > > extra room available. > > > > Not a member of this post, but a Vet that visits it often like on > > Fridays when they do Karaokie. > > > > Sometimes they have food, and always have brew. > > > > Dave > > > > -- > > Dave Felzke KB2MVF > > > > _______________________________________________ > > linux-user mailing list > > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The experiment was a resounding success, and BarCamps in Toronto, Amsterdam, and New York City soon followed. BarCamp Grand Rapids continues this proud tradition, for the third year running. Calvin College is generously donating classroom space, including a space for a "campout" Friday night. Gordon Food Service, Subway, and Biggby Coffee will be providing food for the event, and SageTech will be hosting a get-together after the conference on Friday night sessions. Elevator Up has also pitched in to help keep to conference free for all attendees. From charles at bityard.net Mon Jul 14 13:25:53 2008 From: charles at bityard.net (Charles Ulrich) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:25:53 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] BarCamp Grand Rapids 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8e690af80807141025t5315aa6ax225831a9d8cc912c@mail.gmail.com> Is there a URL for this? Do you have to register? How many people show up to his? Sounds like it could be fun. Maybe we could organize a GLLUG field trip over there on Saturday the 16th? Charles On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Casey DuBois wrote: > Subject: BarCamp Grand Rapids 3 > > BarCamp Grand Rapids, inspired by the Silicon Valley event that rocked > the emerging technology world with its audacity and success, will take > place on August 15-16 at Calvin College. > > The original Palo Alto BarCamp was born out of frustration with the > stifling atmosphere of most conferences. In a bold move, the founders > decided to hold an "unconference" and let the attendees decide the > schedule and topics to be presented. The organizers provided only a > venue, a blank schedule board, and some overhead projectors: attendees > were responsible for creating all the content, giving all the > presentations, and having all the fun. The experiment was a resounding > success, and BarCamps in Toronto, Amsterdam, and New York City soon > followed. BarCamp Grand Rapids continues this proud tradition, for the > third year running. > > Calvin College is generously donating classroom space, including a > space for a "campout" Friday night. Gordon Food Service, Subway, and > Biggby Coffee will be providing food for the event, and SageTech will > be hosting a get-together after the conference on Friday night > sessions. Elevator Up has also pitched in to help keep to conference > free for all attendees. > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From casey at grlug.org Mon Jul 14 14:15:49 2008 From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:15:49 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] BarCamp Grand Rapids 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry for the double post, I forgot to include the URL for information and registration. For the latest information and registration, see http://barcampgr.org BarCamp Grand Rapids 3 BarCamp Grand Rapids, inspired by the Silicon Valley event that rocked the emerging technology world with its audacity and success, will take place on August 15-16 at Calvin College. The original Palo Alto BarCamp was born out of frustration with the stifling atmosphere of most conferences. In a bold move, the founders decided to hold an "unconference" and let the attendees decide the schedule and topics to be presented. The organizers provided only a venue, a blank schedule board, and some overhead projectors: attendees were responsible for creating all the content, giving all the presentations, and having all the fun. The experiment was a resounding success, and BarCamps in Toronto, Amsterdam, and New York City soon followed. BarCamp Grand Rapids continues this proud tradition, for the third year running. Calvin College is generously donating classroom space, including a space for a "campout" Friday night. Gordon Food Service, Subway, and Biggby Coffee will be providing food for the event, and SageTech will be hosting a get-together after the conference on Friday night sessions. Elevator Up has also pitched in to help keep to conference free for all attendees. From sjsayers93 at gmail.com Mon Jul 14 17:08:21 2008 From: sjsayers93 at gmail.com (Steven Sayers) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:08:21 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Rsvp In-Reply-To: <487B892A.3090001@gmail.com> References: <995A6D19-DC64-4D8B-8394-CB0D543297AC@cesconetto.com> <4876CD3D.8080704@gmail.com> <984d708a0807111023w2d02d849j4db7d400d0e6835f@mail.gmail.com> <487B892A.3090001@gmail.com> Message-ID: That's perfect, I suppose you will be there at around 6 this Thursday then? On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > I go right by there, Steven, so if nobody else comes forward, I can take > you there this Thursday. I can even bring you back to there, or somewhere > else, say on Saginaw, so your parents don't have to drive so far to pick you > up. > > Chick > > > > Steven Sayers wrote: > >> I won't be able to attend the Bell's pizza meetings unless I can get a >> carpool from ACD >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20080714/4865d088/attachment.html From rexykik at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 13:04:37 2008 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:04:37 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Auto-Ndiswrapper Message-ID: <984d708a0807161004k352cf7bbw9536b6d917636e4f@mail.gmail.com> https://launchpad.net/auto-ndiswrapprer This program automatically looks at what Wi-Fi card you have, it disables any wireless driver currently installed, fetches the correct Windows driver from the Internet and installs it with NDISwrapper. I'm not sure that it is completely stable, but it made the front page in Digg and looks like it is pretty cool. I'd test it, but my wireless card works : ) From jeff at idealso.com Thu Jul 17 09:43:16 2008 From: jeff at idealso.com (Jeff Lawton) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:43:16 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] OT: .22 handguns In-Reply-To: <984d708a0807031102y6d224b39i7e1418a9db628d1b@mail.gmail.com> References: <984d708a0807031102y6d224b39i7e1418a9db628d1b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <487F4C74.7090206@idealso.com> I posed this question to a friend of mine who is a NRA trainer, gunsmith, ... He recommended the SigMosquito due to how similar it is to larger caliber guns and so you would develop good habits right of the bat. http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=30&productid=184 I am told that Jay's has them for under $300 Jeff Lawton Ideal Solution, LLC 517-485-2650 ext 220 jeff at idealso.com http://www.idealso.com Karl Schuttler wrote: > I know some of you have a collection of firearms; I've recently been > contemplating a purchase of a .22 handgun. People seem to say that the > Ruger Mark II's are the way to go. If you happen to own a .22 handgun, > MkII or otherwise, I would very much like to give it a shot. If you > have prior experience with these weapons and have an opinion on a good > model (bargain ammo compatible) I would like to hear what you have to > say. > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From george at idealso.com Thu Jul 17 09:49:38 2008 From: george at idealso.com (Michael George) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] OT: .22 handguns In-Reply-To: <487F4C74.7090206@idealso.com> References: <984d708a0807031102y6d224b39i7e1418a9db628d1b@mail.gmail.com> <487F4C74.7090206@idealso.com> Message-ID: Slick. It might not have the accuracy of a bull-bbl MkIII, but if you're lookin' go get some good cheap training for larger caliber auto-loaders, then this would be a decent option. 'Course, if you learn on a .44mag and can get good with that, everything else will seem easy... ;-) On Thu, July 17, 2008 9:43 am, Jeff Lawton wrote: > I posed this question to a friend of mine who is a NRA trainer, > gunsmith, ... He recommended the SigMosquito due to how similar it is > to larger caliber guns and so you would develop good habits right of the > bat. > > http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=30&productid=184 > > I am told that Jay's has them for under $300 > > Jeff Lawton > Ideal Solution, LLC > 517-485-2650 ext 220 > jeff at idealso.com > http://www.idealso.com > > > > > > Karl Schuttler wrote: >> I know some of you have a collection of firearms; I've recently been >> contemplating a purchase of a .22 handgun. People seem to say that the >> Ruger Mark II's are the way to go. If you happen to own a .22 handgun, >> MkII or otherwise, I would very much like to give it a shot. If you >> have prior experience with these weapons and have an opinion on a good >> model (bargain ammo compatible) I would like to hear what you have to >> say. >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -Michael George From kwiatk27 at msu.edu Mon Jul 21 15:31:07 2008 From: kwiatk27 at msu.edu (Nicholas Kwiatkowski) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:31:07 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Michigan FlexCamp comes to Lansing! Message-ID: <00a901c8eb68$52c70540$f8550fc0$@edu> Sorry for the spam to the list, but I'd figure it might intrigue at least some of you since many of you are in the web field J If you would like to help spread the word, I would appreciate it as well J On July 30th and 31st, the Michigan Flex Users Group will be hosting in Lansing, Michigan. This two day event is designed to get you up to speed with the latest RIA technologies, such as Flex, Flash and AIR. The Michigan FlexCamp will host speakers from Adobe, Michigan State University, Digital Primates, and many others. The Camp is a hands-on, interactive, conference that is designed for Flex and AIR beginners, and will take you through your first applications using the technology. Adobe Flex is an open source framework that can be used to develop Rich Internet Applications that you can deploy quickly and easily to just about any application server, including Java, PHP, .NET, ColdFusion or Ruby. Adobe AIR is a cross-platform (Windows, Mac, Linux) that helps web developers deliver their Flash, Flex, PDF or AJAX application to the desktop, breaking free from the confines of the browser. Registration and more information is available at http://camp.TheFlexGroup.org. $25 for a single day pass, $40 for both days. Thank you for any help you can provide! -Nick Kwiatkowski Michigan Flex User's Group Manager -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Chick From emilio.esposito at gmail.com Tue Jul 22 13:17:39 2008 From: emilio.esposito at gmail.com (Emilio Xavier Esposito) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:17:39 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] triple-booting a Mac with OSX, RedHat (specifically ScientificLinux), and Windows XP Message-ID: Hi I'm interested in making my Intel Mac a triple-booting machine with OSX, RedHat (specifically ScientificLinux), and Windows XP. I've done some Googling and found the how-to: http://tinyurl.com/6s8b4h ( http://blog.geeklimit.com/2008/07/02/triple-boot-macbook-pro-osx-leopard-vista-64-bit-and-ubuntu-804-64-bit/ ). The instructions appear to be up-to-date and very straightforward. Does anyone have any experience with this type of setup? What differences (between Ubuntu and ScientificLinux) can I expect when I have to backup the MBR? Are there better methods or instructions available? Would I be better off using Parallels or VMWare Fusion instead of triple-booting? Any other advice is appreciated. Thank you for your time Emilio From bbartilson at comcast.net Tue Jul 22 13:59:09 2008 From: bbartilson at comcast.net (Bill Bartilson) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:59:09 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] triple-booting a Mac with OSX, RedHat (specifically ScientificLinux), and Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3715A12F-8860-4CEA-BF5B-58243B279DC7@comcast.net> I guess that depends on what the purpose of the machine is. If you do your main work in OSX, and need access to platform specific software on Linux and Windows (like I do), then Fusion is a great solution. I've had very good luck with it. If you want to use the same machine as 3 different machines (such as an OSX partition for productivity and Windows partition for games) then it probably makes more sense to boot into each OS separately. If you like working in Red Hat, I dunno why you'd need the OSX partition in the first place. *nix is *nix from the administrator's side of things. OSX has fewer and more expensive software offerings than either Linux or Windows. In short - If you're interested in learning more about Linux, and want to install it to 'play with', it's best to simply install it standalone without any other OS. Making yourself 'live with' something as opposed to being a reboot (or a virtual machine) away from the 'comfort' of some other OS is the best way to learn. I only say that because triple booting, and not picking a main 'working' OS would be a nightmare for me, even if it was only trying to keep the email clients synched to any degree. Try linux by itself for a month, and see how it goes. Does that help? -B On Jul 22, 2008, at 1:17 PM, Emilio Xavier Esposito wrote: > Would I be better off using Parallels or VMWare Fusion instead of > triple-booting? From charles at bityard.net Tue Jul 22 14:17:57 2008 From: charles at bityard.net (charles at bityard.net) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:17:57 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] triple-booting a Mac with OSX, RedHat (specifically ScientificLinux), and Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8e690af80807221117m2b36ad98of1c2b6c36156f1be@mail.gmail.com> On 7/22/08, Emilio Xavier Esposito wrote: > Hi > I'm interested in making my Intel Mac a triple-booting machine with > OSX, RedHat (specifically ScientificLinux), and Windows XP. I've done > some Googling and found the how-to: http://tinyurl.com/6s8b4h ( > http://blog.geeklimit.com/2008/07/02/triple-boot-macbook-pro-osx-leopard-vista-64-bit-and-ubuntu-804-64-bit/ > ). The instructions appear to be up-to-date and very straightforward. > > Does anyone have any experience with this type of setup? > > What differences (between Ubuntu and ScientificLinux) can I expect > when I have to backup the MBR? > > Are there better methods or instructions available? > > Would I be better off using Parallels or VMWare Fusion instead of > triple-booting? It depends on how you plan to use them. If you triple-boot, the OS that boots has full control of the hardware at all times. This is important for some things, but not necessary if you just need to run desktop apps. The biggest downsides to triple-booting would be the setup procedure and management of the MBR. If one OS decides to overwrite the MBR (especially Windows), it's an inconvenience to rebuild it again. I've always recommended using one physical disk per OS when dual or triple booting because it removes some of the potential confusion and makes it less likely that one OS will interfere with another. With Parallels or VMWare, the OS installation is obviously a lot more straight-forward and the whole setup is far less fragile. The downside is that you lose some speed and the guest OS doesn't have direct access to the hardware. On the bright side, I've read that Parallels and VMWare both have a way to run Windows apps right on the OSX desktop, almost as if they were native applications. This is probably the best way to go if you only need to run standard desktop applications like Office. Charles From davefff at comcast.net Thu Jul 24 01:54:58 2008 From: davefff at comcast.net (Dave) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:54:58 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] RootsMagic Genealogy program on LINUX??? Message-ID: <48881932.4040406@comcast.net> Hello, Well, still not quite on LINUX yet even thought my Son installed Ubuntu 8.04 for me and it worked until we decided to see if WINE would allow me to use Rootsmagic 1.0 with patch to 1.4. It seemed like it was doing something, then Ouch! Don't have time to mention the ten hour ordeal of getting Windows back after the Boot crash mess, and now have my second Linux database inside the Compuker but not hooked up so as to allow me the use of something. Anyhow, maybe someone will be able to evaluate the following which if possible would allow me to go to LINUX without needing to go thru another Dual Boot / WINE mess... According to my Son Codeweavers is at a cost and the new WINE is to be able to preform as well??? Sounds good but didn't happen. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXCopy from RM Message Board belowXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Vince post Feb 12 2006, 08:47 AM Post #14 Unregistered QUOTE(Phillip @ Nov 23 2005, 01:11 AM) * RM version 2 works very well via Crossover Office version 5. Phillip I have installed RootsMagic 3 with Version 5 of Codeweavers Professional. It works great. So all of you Die Hard Linux Fans, make or stay with Linux BCuz RM works. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX AGAIN, I use the computer about 80 to 90% for Genealogy research, and if this Rootsmagic Program worked on Linux, I'd be 100% LINUX rather than still being stuck with Bill Gates nonsense. Need your input and opinions and comments on this. I have tried the GRAMPS Linux Genealogy program in Version 1.0 that was very linited. Version 2.0 with patches is much better, but nothing like the excellent Rootsmagic program. Also again, too old to learn Python. Dave -- Dave Felzke KB2MVF From frank.dolinar at comcast.net Thu Jul 24 15:11:45 2008 From: frank.dolinar at comcast.net (frank.dolinar at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:11:45 +0000 Subject: [GLLUG] Yet another Subversion question Message-ID: <072420081911.25329.4888D3F10001BB1A000062F122007504389D0E020704010BD205020E9D00@comcast.net> Hi, everyone, Since mid-day yesterday, when I've tried to update my copy of the software from the repository, I keep getting a message saying that one of the folders in the software directory is locked. This makes no sense to me. But sense or no it is interfering with my ability to get things done. I've gone back into the properties of that folder and the top level folder for the solution and removed the read-only status in the checkbox on the properties dialog. I've copied the top level folder and all of its myriad contents to a separate disk and then deleted it from the current drive, recreated a folder and attempted to download the entire contents of the repository for this software as a new checkout. Same problem. Any suggestions? thanks, Frank From rsmith1916 at gmail.com Fri Jul 25 09:47:45 2008 From: rsmith1916 at gmail.com (Ross Smith) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:47:45 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Virtualization Message-ID: I set up a dual Xeon server with virtualization under Linux (openSUSE) yesterday. When given the option, I chose full over para virtualization. My question is, has anyone seen any significant performance difference between full and para virtualization? -- Ross -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The NFS server has no firewall on at this time, and I attempted to connect with the firewall off on the Windows machine as well. The Windows machine is set to use NFS through TCP and with a soft mount. I am able to connect to another nfs partition, with the following in the exports file: "/share/MD0_DATA/Main" 10.0.0.0/24(ro,async,no_root_squash). I tried using the same options for both, but that didn't fix my issue. I also tried removing the hosts.deny and hosts.allow files. I then changed the exports file to /mnt/nfs/ *(rw,sync,root_squash). I was still not able to access it. In this state, the other Linux machines were still able to mount the drive. So I'm now at a loss of what to try next. I feel like I've removed any issue on the server configuration side, but I suppose I could be wrong. I don't know what I can change on the client (windows box) side, however. If anyone has had experience with Windows SFU, I'd appreciate any help they can give. 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This year, the first 300 teams to register are the ones who will get the SFD schwag packs. http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/ Chick From eduardo at cesconetto.com Mon Jul 28 10:40:52 2008 From: eduardo at cesconetto.com (Eduardo Cesconetto) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:40:52 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Sofware Freedom Day In-Reply-To: <488D40FF.7070307@gmail.com> References: <549C4D03-6961-4E42-96B4-7F79FFF927DB@cesconetto.com> <4866950E.1020502@lazarusid.com> <48669AA9.80508@gmail.com> <5CA02BF3-B66D-43FA-AE2A-1C7906AA9120@cesconetto.com> <4867057B.6050002@msu.edu> <6681F662-4FBB-4AB7-BCBA-28F659304F46@cesconetto.com> <48671802.3080907@msu.edu> <4868EDDB.1040501@idealso.com> <48718665.6010205@gmail.com> <984d708a0807062007r6166a33dk9a557579e335d0c9@mail.gmail.com> <488D40FF.7070307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880BAD2D-1978-4D86-A9AE-A6FCBA407981@cesconetto.com> I am sure we can have the same spot, if we all want that, but if MSU is available, I am all for it! On Jul 27, 2008, at 11:46 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > It's coming soon, September 20th, so unless we want it to end up > like it > did last year we need to start coming up with ideas and making plans. > This year, the first 300 teams to register are the ones who will get > the > SFD schwag packs. > > http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/ > > Chick > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From psmith.gllug at gmail.com Mon Jul 28 11:41:21 2008 From: psmith.gllug at gmail.com (Peter Smith) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:41:21 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Sofware Freedom Day In-Reply-To: <880BAD2D-1978-4D86-A9AE-A6FCBA407981@cesconetto.com> References: <5CA02BF3-B66D-43FA-AE2A-1C7906AA9120@cesconetto.com> <4867057B.6050002@msu.edu> <6681F662-4FBB-4AB7-BCBA-28F659304F46@cesconetto.com> <48671802.3080907@msu.edu> <4868EDDB.1040501@idealso.com> <48718665.6010205@gmail.com> <984d708a0807062007r6166a33dk9a557579e335d0c9@mail.gmail.com> <488D40FF.7070307@gmail.com> <880BAD2D-1978-4D86-A9AE-A6FCBA407981@cesconetto.com> Message-ID: <12df8d4f0807280841r6b77e705s5f1cab4e7aa2d71@mail.gmail.com> Heck, I almost signed us up about a month ago, but then I noticed we actually have done things in the past for it, so I backed away. :) I think it should be the main agenda item this week, and next, for Thursday night. -- Peter Smith psmith.gllug at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It was too hard to find, which I'm sure is why so few people showed up. :) Seriously, I thought we informally decided amongst ourselves to not go back there again. I'm not even convinced that a seminar or lecture or demonstration is the way to go, unless we can piggy-back on a related convention or lecture or something else going on that day. Perhaps we should peruse the SFD website and see what last year's winning teams did. Perhaps we would be more successful giving away Linux CDs at a popular event, or at a mall, or someplace else with a lot of people. Chick Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: > I am sure we can have the same spot, if we all want that, but if MSU is > available, I am all for it! From c.e.tower at gmail.com Mon Jul 28 12:20:07 2008 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:20:07 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Sofware Freedom Day In-Reply-To: <12df8d4f0807280841r6b77e705s5f1cab4e7aa2d71@mail.gmail.com> References: <5CA02BF3-B66D-43FA-AE2A-1C7906AA9120@cesconetto.com> <4867057B.6050002@msu.edu> <6681F662-4FBB-4AB7-BCBA-28F659304F46@cesconetto.com> <48671802.3080907@msu.edu> <4868EDDB.1040501@idealso.com> <48718665.6010205@gmail.com> <984d708a0807062007r6166a33dk9a557579e335d0c9@mail.gmail.com> <488D40FF.7070307@gmail.com> <880BAD2D-1978-4D86-A9AE-A6FCBA407981@cesconetto.com> <12df8d4f0807280841r6b77e705s5f1cab4e7aa2d71@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <488DF1B7.3040608@gmail.com> If you want to register us, Peter, I say go for it. I don't think we registered last year, but maybe we did. We found out about it too late to register and get the free stuff they offered. I agree about discussing it at the meetings, although I won't be at this week's meeting. Where are they being held, by the way? I haven't seen anything about meeting sites, or about much else on the mailing list, this last week. Chick Peter Smith wrote: > Heck, I almost signed us up about a month ago, but then I noticed we > actually have done > things in the past for it, so I backed away. :) > > I think it should be the main agenda item this week, and next, for Thursday > night. From c.e.tower at gmail.com Mon Jul 28 12:34:03 2008 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:34:03 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Sofware Freedom Day In-Reply-To: <12df8d4f0807280841r6b77e705s5f1cab4e7aa2d71@mail.gmail.com> References: <5CA02BF3-B66D-43FA-AE2A-1C7906AA9120@cesconetto.com> <4867057B.6050002@msu.edu> <6681F662-4FBB-4AB7-BCBA-28F659304F46@cesconetto.com> <48671802.3080907@msu.edu> <4868EDDB.1040501@idealso.com> <48718665.6010205@gmail.com> <984d708a0807062007r6166a33dk9a557579e335d0c9@mail.gmail.com> <488D40FF.7070307@gmail.com> <880BAD2D-1978-4D86-A9AE-A6FCBA407981@cesconetto.com> <12df8d4f0807280841r6b77e705s5f1cab4e7aa2d71@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <488DF4FB.5020602@gmail.com> I have an idea. Instead of a meeting/seminar/install-fest open to the general public, how about we target our presentation(s) to an audience interested in learning about free software? Examples would be members of a large high school (faculty, students, and parents) or even a school district. Perhaps some of the colleges at MSU, or even the MSU library system. (Ranti?) I don't mean sitting the student body down in the auditorium and doing a big presentation, but seeing if any of these groups have interested members willing to come on a Saturday and listen to us, and maybe help them install Linux. In other words, let's find an interested audience, rather than throw it open and see who comes. Chick Peter Smith wrote: > I think it should be the main agenda item this week, and next, for Thursday > night. From clay at lazarusid.com Mon Jul 28 14:17:38 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:17:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Sofware Freedom Day In-Reply-To: <488DEC08.7040304@gmail.com> References: <549C4D03-6961-4E42-96B4-7F79FFF927DB@cesconetto.com> <4866950E.1020502@lazarusid.com> <48669AA9.80508@gmail.com> <5CA02BF3-B66D-43FA-AE2A-1C7906AA9120@cesconetto.com> <4867057B.6050002@msu.edu> <6681F662-4FBB-4AB7-BCBA-28F659304F46@cesconetto.com> <48671802.3080907@msu.edu> <4868EDDB.1040501@idealso.com> <48718665.6010205@gmail.com> <984d708a0807062007r6166a33dk9a557579e335d0c9@mail.gmail.com> <488D40FF.7070307@gmail.com> <880BAD2D-1978-4D86-A9AE-A6FCBA407981@cesconetto.com> <488DEC08.7040304@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Jul 2008, Chick Tower wrote: > Seriously, I thought we informally decided amongst ourselves to not go > back there again. I'm not even convinced that a seminar or lecture or > demonstration is the way to go, unless we can piggy-back on a related Davenport was a disaster, and I really think we shouldn't go there again. The mall would be ideal, if we could talk to somebody who would let us set up a table in the center or something. I think just handing out open CDs would be our best bet--cds full of open source windows software. We can have some Ubuntu disks to hand out as well, but we should give them something they can use with minimal disruption to how they're already working. Clay From athpell at gmail.com Mon Jul 28 14:19:59 2008 From: athpell at gmail.com (Athanasius Pelletier) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:19:59 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] ssh to administer another computer over the internet Message-ID: I am at my parents' house and I want to be able to update and troubleshoot their computer from my own back in Michigan. Somebody told me how to do this a while back but I don't remember how. I know I need their ip address and set the router to leave port 22 open (do they call that telnet?) what else do I need to do? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20080728/cb54cdb0/attachment.html From clay at lazarusid.com Mon Jul 28 14:28:59 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:28:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] ssh to administer another computer over the internet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You'll also need to make sure that they have an ssh server on their computer. Is this a windows machine or Linux? You told me once but I don't remember. Clay On Mon, 28 Jul 2008, Athanasius Pelletier wrote: > I am at my parents' house and I want to be able to update and troubleshoot > their computer from my own back in Michigan. Somebody told me how to do > this a while back but I don't remember how. I know I need their ip address > and set the router to leave port 22 open (do they call that telnet?) what > else do I need to do? > From charles at bityard.net Mon Jul 28 15:01:43 2008 From: charles at bityard.net (Charles Ulrich) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:01:43 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Sofware Freedom Day In-Reply-To: References: <6681F662-4FBB-4AB7-BCBA-28F659304F46@cesconetto.com> <48671802.3080907@msu.edu> <4868EDDB.1040501@idealso.com> <48718665.6010205@gmail.com> <984d708a0807062007r6166a33dk9a557579e335d0c9@mail.gmail.com> <488D40FF.7070307@gmail.com> <880BAD2D-1978-4D86-A9AE-A6FCBA407981@cesconetto.com> <488DEC08.7040304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8e690af80807281201ge8e9d09n9ad42c1e6b925220@mail.gmail.com> The main reason that Davenport didn't work out last time was because of all the construction in the area at the time. Normally it's quite easy to get to: just take Cedar to Kalamazoo. But I do agree that there's probably a better venue in the area. I like Chick's idea of finding a target audience instead of hoping they find us. Charles On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Clay Dowling wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jul 2008, Chick Tower wrote: > >> Seriously, I thought we informally decided amongst ourselves to not go >> back there again. I'm not even convinced that a seminar or lecture or >> demonstration is the way to go, unless we can piggy-back on a related > > Davenport was a disaster, and I really think we shouldn't go there again. > The mall would be ideal, if we could talk to somebody who would let us set > up a table in the center or something. I think just handing out open CDs > would be our best bet--cds full of open source windows software. We can > have some Ubuntu disks to hand out as well, but we should give them > something they can use with minimal disruption to how they're already > working. > > Clay > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From rexykik at gmail.com Mon Jul 28 15:59:40 2008 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:59:40 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] ssh to administer another computer over the internet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <984d708a0807281259m60fdc60fx842d430e8d1e37a4@mail.gmail.com> You might consider going to dyndns.org or dynup.net and setting up a domain name so that you don't need to type in an IP address for them every time. On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Clay Dowling wrote: > You'll also need to make sure that they have an ssh server on their > computer. Is this a windows machine or Linux? You told me once but I > don't remember. > > Clay > > On Mon, 28 Jul 2008, Athanasius Pelletier wrote: > >> I am at my parents' house and I want to be able to update and troubleshoot >> their computer from my own back in Michigan. Somebody told me how to do >> this a while back but I don't remember how. I know I need their ip address >> and set the router to leave port 22 open (do they call that telnet?) what >> else do I need to do? >> > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From psmith.gllug at gmail.com Mon Jul 28 16:27:24 2008 From: psmith.gllug at gmail.com (Peter Smith) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:27:24 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Sofware Freedom Day In-Reply-To: <488DF1B7.3040608@gmail.com> References: <6681F662-4FBB-4AB7-BCBA-28F659304F46@cesconetto.com> <48671802.3080907@msu.edu> <4868EDDB.1040501@idealso.com> <48718665.6010205@gmail.com> <984d708a0807062007r6166a33dk9a557579e335d0c9@mail.gmail.com> <488D40FF.7070307@gmail.com> <880BAD2D-1978-4D86-A9AE-A6FCBA407981@cesconetto.com> <12df8d4f0807280841r6b77e705s5f1cab4e7aa2d71@mail.gmail.com> <488DF1B7.3040608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <12df8d4f0807281327i432ce17fl8f3c0d9c330b2538@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > If you want to register us, Peter, I say go for it. I don't think we > registered last year, but maybe we did. We found out about it too late to > register and get the free stuff they offered. Well, we've still got a page intact at http://softwarefreedomday.org/teams/northamerica/MI/Lansing, and that should probably be reused. Was that our only participation in SFD, last year? I seem to remember finding a bit more when I was grubbing around before, but it's Monday, I could be mistaken. :) -- Peter Smith psmith.gllug at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20080728/966db510/attachment.html From psmith.gllug at gmail.com Mon Jul 28 17:00:48 2008 From: psmith.gllug at gmail.com (Peter Smith) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:00:48 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Sofware Freedom Day In-Reply-To: <488DF4FB.5020602@gmail.com> References: <6681F662-4FBB-4AB7-BCBA-28F659304F46@cesconetto.com> <48671802.3080907@msu.edu> <4868EDDB.1040501@idealso.com> <48718665.6010205@gmail.com> <984d708a0807062007r6166a33dk9a557579e335d0c9@mail.gmail.com> <488D40FF.7070307@gmail.com> <880BAD2D-1978-4D86-A9AE-A6FCBA407981@cesconetto.com> <12df8d4f0807280841r6b77e705s5f1cab4e7aa2d71@mail.gmail.com> <488DF4FB.5020602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <12df8d4f0807281400i2dc76060pbe63085d88e79d80@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > > I have an idea. Instead of a meeting/seminar/install-fest open to the general public, how about we target our presentation(s) to an audience interested in learning about free software? And in conjunction with that...things happening that weekend in Lansing. All, some, or none of this might be relevant to us, but it gives a backdrop for ideas to tie into other things happening...if only for which people NOT to bother to try and target. Old Town BluesFest - September 19 & 20, 2008 Michigan State Spartans vs. Notre Dame Fighting Irish 10th Annual Michigan Remembers Run (MRR) Saturday, 1:30 pm rally - The 10th Annual Michigan Remembers Run (MRR) honors and remembers military POW/MIA personnel from all U.S. Wars, and the families who await return of their loved one's. The run begins from staging sites throughout Michigan on Saturday morning. The groups then ride to Lansing. Participants should arrive at the Capitol steps by 1:00 p.m. Cruisin the Gut Car Show, 3-10 PM - Cruisin' the Gut features classic autos displayed along Washington Avenue starting at 4 pm on each cruise date. At 8 pm classic cars will begin to cruise the downtown area just like they did in the 1960's Spectators can expect as many as 100 cars during good weather cruises. -- Peter Smith psmith.gllug at gmail.com From clay at lazarusid.com Tue Jul 29 09:57:21 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:57:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Sofware Freedom Day In-Reply-To: <12df8d4f0807281400i2dc76060pbe63085d88e79d80@mail.gmail.com> References: <6681F662-4FBB-4AB7-BCBA-28F659304F46@cesconetto.com> <48671802.3080907@msu.edu> <4868EDDB.1040501@idealso.com> <48718665.6010205@gmail.com> <984d708a0807062007r6166a33dk9a557579e335d0c9@mail.gmail.com> <488D40FF.7070307@gmail.com> <880BAD2D-1978-4D86-A9AE-A6FCBA407981@cesconetto.com> <12df8d4f0807280841r6b77e705s5f1cab4e7aa2d71@mail.gmail.com> <488DF4FB.5020602@gmail.com> <12df8d4f0807281400i2dc76060pbe63085d88e79d80@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Jul 2008, Peter Smith wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > > Michigan State Spartans vs. Notre Dame Fighting Irish 20, 2008. Time, 3:30 PM. > That rules out MSU right there. Anybody have suggestions on finding an audience? How about teaming up with someplace like Best Buy? Show people how to stretch their computer dollar with free software, so instead of having to buy a smaller computer and drop a bundle on an office suite, they can buy a bigger computer, get an office suite, graphics tools and desktop publishing. Again, without forcing them off of windows. That also makes a good venue for things like showing off what can be done by the really adventureous via Linux. Things like a Mythbox, or video editing with kdenlive. I'm perfectly happy to show off kdenlive if we can get a machine in with the horsepower. Clay From ALEE at courts.mi.gov Thu Jul 31 14:19:11 2008 From: ALEE at courts.mi.gov (Andy Lee) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:19:11 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Off-Topic: Job opportunity Message-ID: <4891C9DA.2BB3.00ED.0@courts.mi.gov> My wife has accepted a position out of state, so we will be re-locating before the end of the year. The Michigan Court of Appeals has posted to hire a replacement for my spot as Systems Manager, in hopes of getting someone in before I leave to facilitate a smoother transition. This position's main responsibility is leading a team of developers and administrators in development of software to automate court operations statewide. Primary software development is ASP.Net (C#) with SQL Server on the back end. There are existing systems being maintained in Legacy ASP and JSP, with the JSP running on JBoss on Linux. The legacy systems all connect to a replicated Oracle 10g system running on Linux. We use NetWare for file and print. This is a very heterogenous environment, and requires a broad base of knowledge, and ability for quick learning and problem solving. If you are interested in applying for this position, please see the attached posting for further details. -- Andy Lee Systems Manager Michigan Court of Appeals -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Systems Manager.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 84317 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20080731/c9bbd05f/attachment-0001.pdf From jfick at mphi.org Thu Jul 31 14:48:01 2008 From: jfick at mphi.org (Jim Fick) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:48:01 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Tonights Meeting Message-ID: Where will tonight's meeting be held at? James Fick MIT Security Manager 2501 Jolly Road, Suite 180 Okemos, MI 48864 (517)324-8304 Fax (517)324-7364 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20080731/f0bc9ab0/attachment.html From rexykik at gmail.com Thu Jul 31 15:15:43 2008 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:15:43 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Tonights Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <984d708a0807311215p6ebb34b5y8444e486dda6d7a8@mail.gmail.com> Tonight the meeting is at Idealso/ACD.net at 1800 N Grand River ave. 2008/7/31 Jim Fick : > Where will tonight's meeting be held at? > > > > > > > > > > James Fick > > MIT Security Manager > > 2501 Jolly Road, Suite 180 > > Okemos, MI 48864 > > (517)324-8304 > > Fax (517)324-7364 > > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > From tyzilm7 at msualum.com Thu Jul 31 15:46:36 2008 From: tyzilm7 at msualum.com (Gary Baron) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:46:36 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Tonight's meeting Message-ID: <1217533597.8973.7.camel@linux-umt2> Do you happen to know where tonights meeting is? Gary Baron From rexykik at gmail.com Thu Jul 31 16:09:24 2008 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:09:24 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Tonight's Meeting - Normal Location Message-ID: <984d708a0807311309j60dcc518re3708980ea03ae95@mail.gmail.com> Tonight the meeting is at Idealso/ACD.net at 1800 N Grand River ave. Check the website for a friendly map. From psmith.gllug at gmail.com Thu Jul 31 16:44:46 2008 From: psmith.gllug at gmail.com (Peter Smith) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:44:46 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Tonight's Meeting - Normal Location In-Reply-To: <984d708a0807311309j60dcc518re3708980ea03ae95@mail.gmail.com> References: <984d708a0807311309j60dcc518re3708980ea03ae95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <12df8d4f0807311344w3c8f3d8fg380ac01a9b01f4f1@mail.gmail.com> 'snot all that much of a 'Normal' location for Me! I've *still* never been there. And listening to horror stories of people sitting around outside in their cars for hours on end doesn't make me really want to rush crossState to make it there, either. :) Course, my other excuse is that I need Auto Insurance, Today...hrm, Richard, are you out there? :) -- Peter Smith psmith.gllug at gmail.com