From clay at lazarusid.com Sat Oct 4 21:17:09 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 21:17:09 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Czech Pilsner Message-ID: <48E81595.4050305@lazarusid.com> The Czech Pilsner I brewed a couple weekends ago was just transferred to secondary fermentation and is chilling happily at 42 degrees in my fridge (warmest I could make it). Yield was a lot lower than I was expecting, maybe 3 and a half gallons, edging towards 4. On the upside the flavor is good. I took a sample and it had a very pleasant taste, which is unusual for a beer just going to secondary fermentation. It has a more mellow hops profile than originally intended, probably because I'm not brewing with the freshest hops. For the next batch of beer I'll be ordering my hops from Northern Brewer, where they seem to be able to still get most varieties. Or driving over to Red Salamander, but he's a bit out of the way for me. Clay From c.e.tower at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 14:30:40 2008 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 13:30:40 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Brazilian Barbecue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48E907D0.6030001@gmail.com> I'm considering volunteering to organize the Brazilian barbecue, but, before I do, I want to make sure there are enough people interested in helping out with this. (Chuck Childs recommends a volunteer staff of thirty people, but Eduardo says nine should be enough.) I do not care to invest any of my money in this. It would be nice if this doesn't conflict with the Linux install-fest, since we will probably be providing most of the BBQ staff. Finally, if the ConCom is planning to have their own grill, will they allow us to have a competing event from which they get little or no money? Perhaps someone following the Penguicon mailing list can enlighten us as to how they are planning to use their grill. Speaking of the install-fest, we should decide now when we want to have it so we can get it on the Penguicon schedule and pre-empt anyone else who wants to use the computer lounge at the same time. We had a problem working around the Ubuntu packaging jam this year. Chick Clay Dowling wrote: > For those here not on the Penguicon mailing list, or who get snowed under > debates about licensing issues and other administrivia, I've got some more > dire news. > > Currently they are not planning to have Brazillian beef. Budget has been > allocated for the grill, but not for the beef, salt or charcoal. They are > making alternative plans for food. As we have seen in the past, their > idea of food alternatives is a lot of lunch meat and cheese. > > The chief holdup is a lack of somebody to organize it. Eduardo has been > pretty clear on not wanting to handle the behind the scenes organization. > He's a good chef, but not dumb enough to get himself tied up with that > much administration. > > We need somebody to act as the organizer. This will mean taking care of > the logistics of getting this going, and advocating with the ConCom to > make sure that we get what we need as far as space, resources and hotel > relations. I have no idea how involved this is. > > I'm already handling the room party, including beer, room rental and food. > I can't say I'm wanting to throw the barbeque onto that pile. I'm willing > to help in any way I can (including arranging funding). > > Clay From charles at bityard.net Sun Oct 5 16:45:46 2008 From: charles at bityard.net (Charles Ulrich) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 16:45:46 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Brazilian Barbecue In-Reply-To: <48E907D0.6030001@gmail.com> References: <48E907D0.6030001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8e690af80810051345w6ecccbbbya1febce580f4ba1@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > I'm considering volunteering to organize the Brazilian barbecue, but, > before I do, I want to make sure there are enough people interested in > helping out with this. I'd recommend joining the penguicon-general mailing list (which you can do yourself on the website, although it seems to be currently down) and sending an email to the conchair (Matt Arnold) so he can give you the thumbs up and get you on the penguicon-concom list. Keeping in touch with Chuck Child would also be wise as he knows the ins the outs but just doesn't have time to do the actual organizing this year. Being on the concom list is especially important because they'll be able to tell you exactly what's been done, what's left, and how much Penguicon budget can be allocated to the cookout. > (Chuck Childs recommends a volunteer staff of > thirty people, but Eduardo says nine should be enough.) Nine people is technically enough to run the BBQ, but remember that this year's cookout went for something like 8 hours and many of us (well, me at least) got exhausted after about 4 hours of grilling and cutting. A explicit schedule might not be necessary, but it would be good to have enough volunteers so that people can rotate in and out. When the topic came up on the concom mailing list that there might not be a cookout next year, nobody volunteered to organize it but lots and lots of people offered to help with the manual labor (including ESR, who did some grilling this year). > I do not care to invest any of my money in this. You shouldn't have to. There is an up-front cost of buying the beef and salt and possibly the grill rental. These can be negotiated with the conchair or whoever handles the budget. Everything else can be borrowed. I assume you have already seen Chuck's notes, but here's the link again for anyone else following along: http://www.penguicon.org/pipermail/penguicon-general/2008-September/005543.html > It would be nice if this doesn't > conflict with the Linux install-fest, since we will probably be > providing most of the BBQ staff. Finally, if the ConCom is planning to > have their own grill, will they allow us to have a competing event from > which they get little or no money? If nobody steps up to organize the cookout (nobody has yet), then Penguicon will have no cookout. If you were thinking of doing it independently of Penguicon, I doubt they would have a problem with it but realize that they have a lot more resources available than if we were to split it off and do it as a GLLUG project. > Perhaps someone following the > Penguicon mailing list can enlighten us as to how they are planning to > use their grill. I *think* the grill is already reserved and in the budget, but don't hold me to that. If the Brazillian Beef falls through, I believe they were going to use it for hamburgers and such for the consuite (but again, not sure about that). > Speaking of the install-fest, we should decide now when we want to have > it so we can get it on the Penguicon schedule and pre-empt anyone else > who wants to use the computer lounge at the same time. We had a problem > working around the Ubuntu packaging jam this year. I don't think we've heard from the organizer of the packaging jam about next year. If they want to do it again this year, we might suggest that they find a room to do a workshop since tying up the lounge for hours on end makes it hard for us to schedule our own things for the lounge. Charles From clay at lazarusid.com Mon Oct 6 15:13:13 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:13:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Brazilian Barbecue In-Reply-To: <48E907D0.6030001@gmail.com> References: <48E907D0.6030001@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm definitely in. Right now, the action on the Penguicon General list makes me think we probably won't need to come up with our own funding for this. I could be wrong though. In general, don't worry about getting enough people to work the event. Grillers are easy to get, even if we have to source them on the day. Good meat cutters are harder, and you should get those lined up. Stan's wife did a bang-up job last year, but it would be good to have an additional person or two in that role. Clay From charles at bityard.net Mon Oct 6 16:41:12 2008 From: charles at bityard.net (Charles Ulrich) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:41:12 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Brazilian Barbecue In-Reply-To: References: <48E907D0.6030001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8e690af80810061341s55196824x6b0cd3fd4a947e68@mail.gmail.com> I probably forgot to explicitly mention it in my previous message, but I'm willing to help as much as I can. That includes meat cutting, grilling, and whatever else needs to be done. Charles On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Clay Dowling wrote: > I'm definitely in. > > Right now, the action on the Penguicon General list makes me think we > probably won't need to come up with our own funding for this. I could be > wrong though. > > In general, don't worry about getting enough people to work the event. > Grillers are easy to get, even if we have to source them on the day. Good > meat cutters are harder, and you should get those lined up. Stan's wife > did a bang-up job last year, but it would be good to have an additional > person or two in that role. > > Clay > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From ranti.junus at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 15:02:59 2008 From: ranti.junus at gmail.com (Ranti Junus) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 15:02:59 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] kvm switch to share peripherals? Message-ID: <7b496ff80810071202m191d0c62t153de58611b84532@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, I have two PCs (debian and linuxmint/windows dual boot) and one laptop (windows) and I need your suggestions/advice on KVM switch that allows me to share monitor, keyboard, mouse, printer and hopefully also headset/audio. Printer share is more important; I can plug and unplug my headset easier than printer. My printer is HP PSC 1210 (usb, non-network). I prefer to keep using this printer because it works just fine for my purpose (I don't print pictures, and I scan stuff for archive purpose), although I won't rule out upgrading the printer if it makes more sense (or cheaper). Do you have any suggestion which product and where to get one? The ones I found so far (Best Buy, Staples) only share the usual peripherals (monitor, keyboard and mouse, with or without headset.) But none of them has option to share my printer. I failed to find any from Newegg and TigerDirect as well. Budget restriction: none (yet.) In other words, I'd like to see the options first. :-) Thanks in advance on any advice and/or suggestions. ranti. -- Bulk mail. Postage paid. From george at idealso.com Tue Oct 7 15:15:49 2008 From: george at idealso.com (Michael George) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 15:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] kvm switch to share peripherals? In-Reply-To: <7b496ff80810071202m191d0c62t153de58611b84532@mail.gmail.com> References: <7b496ff80810071202m191d0c62t153de58611b84532@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <346bd97d8b6c19c8dd2f2097f70a1f00.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> What are the interfaces on the keyboard and mouse? PS/2 or USB? If they are USB, then StarTech (http://www.startech.com) might have something to suit you. On Tue, October 7, 2008 3:02 pm, Ranti Junus wrote: > Hi All, > > I have two PCs (debian and linuxmint/windows dual boot) and one laptop > (windows) and I need your suggestions/advice on KVM switch that allows > me to share monitor, keyboard, mouse, printer and hopefully also > headset/audio. Printer share is more important; I can plug and unplug > my headset easier than printer. My printer is HP PSC 1210 (usb, > non-network). I prefer to keep using this printer because it works > just fine for my purpose (I don't print pictures, and I scan stuff for > archive purpose), although I won't rule out upgrading the printer if > it makes more sense (or cheaper). > > Do you have any suggestion which product and where to get one? The > ones I found so far (Best Buy, Staples) only share the usual > peripherals (monitor, keyboard and mouse, with or without headset.) > But none of them has option to share my printer. I failed to find any > from Newegg and TigerDirect as well. > > Budget restriction: none (yet.) In other words, I'd like to see the > options first. :-) > > Thanks in advance on any advice and/or suggestions. > > > ranti. > > -- > Bulk mail. Postage paid. > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -Michael George From ranti.junus at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 15:34:25 2008 From: ranti.junus at gmail.com (Ranti Junus) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 15:34:25 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] kvm switch to share peripherals? In-Reply-To: <346bd97d8b6c19c8dd2f2097f70a1f00.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> References: <7b496ff80810071202m191d0c62t153de58611b84532@mail.gmail.com> <346bd97d8b6c19c8dd2f2097f70a1f00.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> Message-ID: <7b496ff80810071234h31f4c7b5g73179fc41f8c9bc1@mail.gmail.com> They are USB. Thanks for the pointer. I'll look into this. ranti. On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Michael George wrote: > What are the interfaces on the keyboard and mouse? PS/2 or USB? > > If they are USB, then StarTech (http://www.startech.com) might have > something to suit you. > > On Tue, October 7, 2008 3:02 pm, Ranti Junus wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> I have two PCs (debian and linuxmint/windows dual boot) and one laptop >> (windows) and I need your suggestions/advice on KVM switch that allows >> me to share monitor, keyboard, mouse, printer and hopefully also >> headset/audio. Printer share is more important; I can plug and unplug >> my headset easier than printer. My printer is HP PSC 1210 (usb, >> non-network). I prefer to keep using this printer because it works >> just fine for my purpose (I don't print pictures, and I scan stuff for >> archive purpose), although I won't rule out upgrading the printer if >> it makes more sense (or cheaper). >> >> Do you have any suggestion which product and where to get one? The >> ones I found so far (Best Buy, Staples) only share the usual >> peripherals (monitor, keyboard and mouse, with or without headset.) >> But none of them has option to share my printer. I failed to find any >> from Newegg and TigerDirect as well. >> >> Budget restriction: none (yet.) In other words, I'd like to see the >> options first. :-) >> >> Thanks in advance on any advice and/or suggestions. >> >> >> ranti. >> >> -- >> Bulk mail. Postage paid. >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> > > > -Michael George > -- Bulk mail. Postage paid. From charles at bityard.net Tue Oct 7 16:26:50 2008 From: charles at bityard.net (Charles Ulrich) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:26:50 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] kvm switch to share peripherals? In-Reply-To: <7b496ff80810071202m191d0c62t153de58611b84532@mail.gmail.com> References: <7b496ff80810071202m191d0c62t153de58611b84532@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8e690af80810071326h5f35cdffp2b9c440bc449d2b6@mail.gmail.com> Hi Ranti, The easiest solution might be something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817399021 You've probably already seen one of these in your search, but it can be used as long as you can get your keyboard and mouse going into one USB port and your printer in another. This way, your keyboard, mouse, printer, and video can all be switched between the two machines. If your keyboard and mouse are PS/2, just get a PS/2-to-USB adapter: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817399021 If either your keyboard or mouse is already USB, then you'll need a standard USB hub. This doesn't solve the problem of switching audio back and forth, but maybe an AV input selector with headphone output (plus the necessary cables) would work: http://www.amazon.com/Sima-SVS-14-Input-Manual-Selector/dp/B00005NCWK There's also a software KVM called synergy (http://synergy2.sf.net), but it's really only an option if each computer has its own monitor. Finally, have you considered disposing of one computer and running it's OS inside a virtual machine (VMWare, VirtualBox, etc) on the other? :) Charles On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Ranti Junus wrote: > Hi All, > > I have two PCs (debian and linuxmint/windows dual boot) and one laptop > (windows) and I need your suggestions/advice on KVM switch that allows > me to share monitor, keyboard, mouse, printer and hopefully also > headset/audio. Printer share is more important; I can plug and unplug > my headset easier than printer. My printer is HP PSC 1210 (usb, > non-network). I prefer to keep using this printer because it works > just fine for my purpose (I don't print pictures, and I scan stuff for > archive purpose), although I won't rule out upgrading the printer if > it makes more sense (or cheaper). > > Do you have any suggestion which product and where to get one? The > ones I found so far (Best Buy, Staples) only share the usual > peripherals (monitor, keyboard and mouse, with or without headset.) > But none of them has option to share my printer. I failed to find any > from Newegg and TigerDirect as well. > > Budget restriction: none (yet.) In other words, I'd like to see the > options first. :-) > > Thanks in advance on any advice and/or suggestions. > > > ranti. > > -- > Bulk mail. Postage paid. > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From dbosman at msu.edu Tue Oct 7 16:55:42 2008 From: dbosman at msu.edu (Don Bosman) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:55:42 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] kvm switch to share peripherals? In-Reply-To: <8e690af80810071326h5f35cdffp2b9c440bc449d2b6@mail.gmail.com> References: <7b496ff80810071202m191d0c62t153de58611b84532@mail.gmail.com> <8e690af80810071326h5f35cdffp2b9c440bc449d2b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48EBCCCE.8060801@msu.edu> I didn't hit reply to all earlier. I sent this to Ranti. When I did this same search in the Spring the only model CDW listed was $170. Now there are several models and a range of prices. You need a 4 port peripheral sharing KVM. Such as the following found at www.cdw.com by searching for kvm & usb $99.99 IOGEAR 4 Port USB & PS/2 KVM Switch wit Peripheral Sharing, Audio, & Cables $202.99 IOGEAR 4 Port USB DVI KVM With Audio/Peripheral Sharing/Cables 2 port models aren't much less expensive. Don Charles Ulrich wrote: > Hi Ranti, > > The easiest solution might be something like this: > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817399021 > > > From walkeri1 at msu.edu Tue Oct 7 17:57:38 2008 From: walkeri1 at msu.edu (Ian Walker) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 17:57:38 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] kvm switch to share peripherals? In-Reply-To: <48EBCCCE.8060801@msu.edu> References: <7b496ff80810071202m191d0c62t153de58611b84532@mail.gmail.com> <8e690af80810071326h5f35cdffp2b9c440bc449d2b6@mail.gmail.com> <48EBCCCE.8060801@msu.edu> Message-ID: I have this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817399032 and its been solid for me. Doesn't do sound, but for $20... Ian! walkeri1 at msu.edu http://www.linkedin.com/pub/8/b5b/577 On Oct 7, 2008, at 4:55 PM, Don Bosman wrote: > I didn't hit reply to all earlier. I sent this to Ranti. > When I did this same search in the Spring the only model CDW listed > was > $170. Now there are several models and a range of prices. > > You need a 4 port peripheral sharing KVM. > Such as the following found at www.cdw.com by searching for kvm & usb > > $99.99 IOGEAR 4 Port USB & PS/2 KVM Switch wit Peripheral Sharing, > Audio, & Cables > > > $202.99 IOGEAR 4 Port USB DVI KVM With Audio/Peripheral Sharing/Cables > > > 2 port models aren't much less expensive. > > Don > > > Charles Ulrich wrote: >> Hi Ranti, >> >> The easiest solution might be something like this: >> >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817399021 >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From ranti.junus at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 18:29:30 2008 From: ranti.junus at gmail.com (Ranti Junus) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 18:29:30 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] kvm switch to share peripherals? In-Reply-To: <7b496ff80810071202m191d0c62t153de58611b84532@mail.gmail.com> References: <7b496ff80810071202m191d0c62t153de58611b84532@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7b496ff80810071529g5d83636cq423a93107ec503f8@mail.gmail.com> Thank you all, for your suggestions so far. If you have more suggestion, please do not hesitate to share them here. Charles, thanks for the virtualization idea. I'll explore that possibility to eliminate the dual boot option. I'd still like to keep the debian box by itself, tho'. :-) thanks, ranti. On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Ranti Junus wrote: > Hi All, > > I have two PCs (debian and linuxmint/windows dual boot) and one laptop > (windows) and I need your suggestions/advice on KVM switch that allows > me to share monitor, keyboard, mouse, printer and hopefully also > headset/audio. Printer share is more important; I can plug and unplug > my headset easier than printer. My printer is HP PSC 1210 (usb, > non-network). I prefer to keep using this printer because it works > just fine for my purpose (I don't print pictures, and I scan stuff for > archive purpose), although I won't rule out upgrading the printer if > it makes more sense (or cheaper). > > Do you have any suggestion which product and where to get one? The > ones I found so far (Best Buy, Staples) only share the usual > peripherals (monitor, keyboard and mouse, with or without headset.) > But none of them has option to share my printer. I failed to find any > from Newegg and TigerDirect as well. > > Budget restriction: none (yet.) In other words, I'd like to see the > options first. :-) > > Thanks in advance on any advice and/or suggestions. > > > ranti. -- Bulk mail. Postage paid. From zifferent at yahoo.com Tue Oct 7 18:50:24 2008 From: zifferent at yahoo.com (Dan DeSloover) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 18:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] kvm switch to share peripherals? In-Reply-To: <7b496ff80810071529g5d83636cq423a93107ec503f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <7b496ff80810071202m191d0c62t153de58611b84532@mail.gmail.com> <7b496ff80810071529g5d83636cq423a93107ec503f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <37097.127.0.0.1.1223419824.squirrel@www.zifferent.net> How bout a regular KVM (with audio) and share the printer via network? Ranti Junus wrote: > Thank you all, for your suggestions so far. If you have more > suggestion, please do not hesitate to share them here. > > Charles, thanks for the virtualization idea. I'll explore that > possibility to eliminate the dual boot option. I'd still like to keep > the debian box by itself, tho'. :-) > > > thanks, > ranti. > > On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Ranti Junus wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> I have two PCs (debian and linuxmint/windows dual boot) and one laptop >> (windows) and I need your suggestions/advice on KVM switch that allows >> me to share monitor, keyboard, mouse, printer and hopefully also >> headset/audio. Printer share is more important; I can plug and unplug >> my headset easier than printer. My printer is HP PSC 1210 (usb, >> non-network). I prefer to keep using this printer because it works >> just fine for my purpose (I don't print pictures, and I scan stuff for >> archive purpose), although I won't rule out upgrading the printer if >> it makes more sense (or cheaper). >> >> Do you have any suggestion which product and where to get one? The >> ones I found so far (Best Buy, Staples) only share the usual >> peripherals (monitor, keyboard and mouse, with or without headset.) >> But none of them has option to share my printer. I failed to find any >> from Newegg and TigerDirect as well. >> >> Budget restriction: none (yet.) In other words, I'd like to see the >> options first. :-) >> >> Thanks in advance on any advice and/or suggestions. >> >> >> ranti. > > > > -- > Bulk mail. Postage paid. > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > ---- Dan DeSloover dand at zifferent.net From c.e.tower at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 16:38:08 2008 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:38:08 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] [Fwd: Brazilian Beef] Message-ID: <48EFBD30.3090403@gmail.com> I signed up last night. I guess I just beat the buzzer. -- Chick -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Brazilian Beef Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:45:24 -0400 From: Matt Arnold To: Chick Tower CC: Penguicon Concom Discussion List Chick, Thank you so much for volunteering to organize the cookout. This weekend someone stepped forward and offered to pay the whole $2,000 up front and be reimbursed after the convention, and we have several volunteers to handle the flippers. If that were an arch of stone blocks, you would be the keystone at the top that keeps it standing up. Also this weekend Audrey Geiger and Rachel Weisenfeld said they were considering volunteering to be the organizers, and that they would get back to me about it. However, you were the first to confirm.... From eduardo at cesconetto.com Fri Oct 10 17:47:47 2008 From: eduardo at cesconetto.com (eduardo at cesconetto.com) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:47:47 -0300 (BRT) Subject: [GLLUG] [Fwd: Brazilian Beef] In-Reply-To: <48EFBD30.3090403@gmail.com> References: <48EFBD30.3090403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54352.17.232.41.72.1223675267.squirrel@cesconetto.com> nice! > I signed up last night. I guess I just beat the buzzer. > -- > > Chick > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Brazilian Beef > Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:45:24 -0400 > From: Matt Arnold > To: Chick Tower > CC: Penguicon Concom Discussion List > > Chick, > > Thank you so much for volunteering to organize the cookout. This > weekend someone stepped forward and offered to pay the whole $2,000 up > front and be reimbursed after the convention, and we have several > volunteers to handle the flippers. If that were an arch of stone > blocks, you would be the keystone at the top that keeps it standing > up. > > Also this weekend Audrey Geiger and Rachel Weisenfeld said they were > considering volunteering to be the organizers, and that they would get > back to me about it. However, you were the first to confirm.... > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From c.e.tower at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 00:28:43 2008 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:28:43 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon Projects In-Reply-To: References: <48CEBE83.5000606@gmail.com> <8e690af80809151441i4577a43cmcc728f4ce21c20a8@mail.gmail.com> <48D7D510.3080803@gmail.com> <12df8d4f0809230700j7e04f374y271a8dd94232910d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48F02B7B.4030100@gmail.com> Here are some cool ideas for people looking to get involved in new Penguicon projects. Go to http://penguicon.info/ and click on Back Burner in the upper left column. Chick From c.e.tower at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 14:30:59 2008 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:30:59 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] This Year's Brazilian Beef In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48F0F0E3.2020700@gmail.com> Since I'm organizing the Brazilian beef cook-out for next year's Penguicon, I would like some feedback from those who worked on it last year. I didn't work on the grill, so I don't know how it went from that perspective. Feel free to reply to me alone, rather than the whole mailing list, if you prefer. Do you have any ideas for improving the cook-out? What bothered you the most out there? Do you think we would need two complete shifts, or just a few extra people to spell everyone occasionally? What would you think about having the cook-out a little later in the day, more like dinner-time? This year we're going to share the grill with the Con Suite, but there shouldn't be any overlap; they'll use it Friday night and maybe part of Saturday, then it's ours. Someone suggested slicing the meat before Penguicon. Would that save any time or effort? I assume the meat came wrapped in plastic packages, like a Butterball turkey, but please correct me if I'm wrong. Someone else suggested having something to serve with the meat, like a starch such as potatoes, rice, or bread. Bread seems like the least trouble. Did anyone ask for any side dishes this year? I know I got more meat than I wanted, and I went through the line like everyone else. I didn't even try to use any of my connections with the grillers to get extra meat. Whatever ideas you have for improving the cook-out, or making the life of the grillers any easier, please let me know. Chick From clay at lazarusid.com Sat Oct 11 19:54:07 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:54:07 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] This Year's Brazilian Beef In-Reply-To: <48F0F0E3.2020700@gmail.com> References: <48F0F0E3.2020700@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48F13C9F.7010406@lazarusid.com> A couple people to spell the grillers would be good. I think that last year by the end of the day Eduardo was about as cooked as the beef. I don't think cutting much beef ahead of time is a good idea. Keeping it sealed eliminates a lot of worries about contamination. The best thing might be to make sure we have additional people available to cut. Stan's wife bore the brunt of it last year, and she was excellent at it. But getting a couple more people trained up by Eduardo would be a good idea. Organizationally, we probably want to make sure people can't park right next to the grill. There was a truck there last year, and I know we managed to set the alarm off. I can't imagine the owner was too appreciative. Also, grillers should come prepared with the following: * Hat * Sun screen for the back of the neck * Shorts * Gold bond powder or talcum powder. It's gonna be hot, you're gonna sweat. -- Knock Down Desk: From unpacking to fully assembled in 10 minutes http://www.knockdowndesk.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Some _idiot_ Firefox developer decided each window tab should grab focus whenever a cookie acceptance dialog is displayed. (A Bugzilla note says it even grabs focus from other applications!) Thus, whenever one is trying to read a page while loading other pages in background tabs, the focus switches to the querying tab that was in the background, supposedly so users won't be confused about which tab is querying them. This just makes me want to scream! Not only that, but it appears in Bugzilla, despite many complaints from users, the "feature" will not be fixed because that's the way it's supposed to work. If I can't find a plugin to fix this, I'm going back to version 2.0.0.16 until they get version 3 right, if ever. If they don't, I guess it's goodbye Firefox for me. Chick > For those of you who have tried the Firefox 3 versions, how do you like > it compared to the versions 2.xx? I'm not interested in test results > showing the new version is faster, unless you conducted the tests > yourself, or if it feels faster. Does it have new features you like? > > I'm not just trying to start a conversation. I'm asking before I commit > to the new version if it's worth it, and whether or not you can go back. From c.e.tower at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 16:52:02 2008 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:52:02 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] October 23rd Meeting In-Reply-To: <48F13C9F.7010406@lazarusid.com> References: <48F0F0E3.2020700@gmail.com> <48F13C9F.7010406@lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <48F3B4F2.2030104@gmail.com> Looks like we'll have to make other arrangements, even if it's just grabbing a table as Kathy suggests. Chick --- On Mon, 10/13/08, Johnson,Kathy wrote: > From: Johnson,Kathy > Subject: Meeting here > To: cetower76 at yahoo.com > Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 8:07 AM > Charles: > > It appears that on Oct. 23rd I will not have a meeting > room here for > your group. Too many other groups and programs going on. > Hope you can make other arrangements for that night. > > How many are coming to yur group usually? If it is a > small group you > might be able to just take a table someplace in the back of > 2nd foor or > in the lobby. > > Kathy > > Kathy Johnson, Head Librarian > Downtown Lansing Library > Capital Area District Library > 401 S. Capitol Ave. > P.O. Box 40719 > Lansing, MI 48901-7919 From c.e.tower at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 22:55:08 2008 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:55:08 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Computer Lounge Staffing In-Reply-To: <48023871.9010700@gmail.com> References: <48023871.9010700@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48F40A0C.4060808@gmail.com> Now that I'm heading up the Brazilian barbecue for the next Penguicon, it's possible I won't be able to handle the scheduling of staff for the computer lounge. I'll still try to do it, because it's not very hard, but my other duties may prevent me from finishing it. So I would like all of you to consider taking over that task. You have several months to think about it. Maybe someone can figure out how to have an open-source scheduling process, where everyone just decides for themselves what time to be in the lounge and it all just works. Chick From eduardo at cesconetto.com Tue Oct 14 09:03:10 2008 From: eduardo at cesconetto.com (eduardo cesconetto) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:03:10 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Computer Lounge Staffing In-Reply-To: <48F40A0C.4060808@gmail.com> References: <48023871.9010700@gmail.com> <48F40A0C.4060808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4FD76E7B-FB28-4770-A1A1-7F8BD60AA4DB@cesconetto.com> why not use a drupal scheduling module at gllug.org? We can then "fill up" the open spots ourselves... Eduardo Cesconetto | eduardo at cesconetto.com | (517) 507-5966 On Oct 13, 2008, at 10:55 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > Now that I'm heading up the Brazilian barbecue for the next Penguicon, > it's possible I won't be able to handle the scheduling of staff for > the > computer lounge. I'll still try to do it, because it's not very hard, > but my other duties may prevent me from finishing it. So I would like > all of you to consider taking over that task. You have several months > to think about it. Maybe someone can figure out how to have an > open-source scheduling process, where everyone just decides for > themselves what time to be in the lounge and it all just works. > > Chick > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From c.e.tower at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 12:17:24 2008 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:17:24 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Computer Lounge Staffing In-Reply-To: <4FD76E7B-FB28-4770-A1A1-7F8BD60AA4DB@cesconetto.com> References: <48023871.9010700@gmail.com> <48F40A0C.4060808@gmail.com> <4FD76E7B-FB28-4770-A1A1-7F8BD60AA4DB@cesconetto.com> Message-ID: <48F4C614.60409@gmail.com> We could try that, Eduardo. Some people would have to volunteer for the shifts in the middle of the night, though, as well as the afternoon shifts. Chick eduardo cesconetto wrote: > why not use a drupal scheduling module at gllug.org? We can then "fill > up" the open spots ourselves... From david at ramaboo.com Tue Oct 14 20:30:09 2008 From: david at ramaboo.com (David Singer) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:30:09 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] WTB: LCD Monitor 1920x1200 Message-ID: <80324a260810141730i62b66795jffa212e1cae5ffc2@mail.gmail.com> If you have one and want to sell it let me know... Must be 1920x1200. I am just looking for something inexpensive to tide me over until the price of LED backbit LCD's comes down (3-6 months). David From rick at divinesymphony.net Tue Oct 14 22:59:11 2008 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:59:11 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] WTB: LCD Monitor 1920x1200 In-Reply-To: <80324a260810141730i62b66795jffa212e1cae5ffc2@mail.gmail.com> References: <80324a260810141730i62b66795jffa212e1cae5ffc2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Disclaimer: I don't have any LCDs to spare. Standard resolution for a good standard aspect LCD would be 1600x1200. Does it really have to be a widescreen? Back when I had been shopping for LCD panels, I found that most of the affordable widescreen models were slow, small, missing the standard DVI connector, or low resolution. Those limitations didn't hold true for standard aspect ratio displays, and something like a larger 20 or 21" standard aspect screen was a LOT more affordable than a smaller 22" widescreen. On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 8:30 PM, David Singer wrote: > If you have one and want to sell it let me know... Must be 1920x1200. > I am just looking for something inexpensive to tide me over until the > price of LED backbit LCD's comes down (3-6 months). > > David > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > Rick, if we decide to do this, please set it up for half-hour time-periods > beginning on the quarter and three-quarter hour, if Drupal will allow that. > That way, people have time to get to a presentation or to return from one, > since almost all of them begin and end on the hour or half-hour. > > Chick > > > > eduardo cesconetto wrote: > >> why not use a drupal scheduling module at gllug.org? We can then "fill >> up" the open spots ourselves... >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20081014/ba721cbe/attachment.html From david at ramaboo.com Wed Oct 15 00:05:39 2008 From: david at ramaboo.com (David Singer) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:05:39 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] WTB: LCD Monitor 1920x1200 In-Reply-To: <1088C590-903D-4002-9E56-77553FAF9BE7@mac.com> References: <80324a260810141730i62b66795jffa212e1cae5ffc2@mail.gmail.com> <1088C590-903D-4002-9E56-77553FAF9BE7@mac.com> Message-ID: <80324a260810142105u7da973e4r33a1e453431906e7@mail.gmail.com> Never mind on the monitor I just found that you can get 30% off any buy-it-now auction on ebay see: http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?sduid=241282&t=846962 so I just went ahead and bought a Dell 2408wfp for $358 (after rebate - including shipping). It does not have the led backlight like the newer $800+ stuff but its better than my crt. Speaking of which anyone want a 1600x1200 viewsonic 21" crt (missing one button on the front) in 3-5 days :) -David On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 11:40 PM, Mike Szumlinski wrote: > Ironically enough, I ordered a Samsung from Buy.com today for $350 shipped. > Can't complain about the price. > > http://www.buy.com/prod/samsung-2433bw-24-widescreen-lcd-monitor-20-000-1-dc-5ms-1920-x-1200/q/loc/101/209316329.html > > -Mike > > On Oct 14, 2008, at 10:59 PM, Richard Houser wrote: > >> Disclaimer: I don't have any LCDs to spare. >> >> Standard resolution for a good standard aspect LCD would be 1600x1200. >> Does it really have to be a widescreen? Back when I had been shopping for >> LCD panels, I found that most of the affordable widescreen models were slow, >> small, missing the standard DVI connector, or low resolution. Those >> limitations didn't hold true for standard aspect ratio displays, and >> something like a larger 20 or 21" standard aspect screen was a LOT more >> affordable than a smaller 22" widescreen. >> >> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 8:30 PM, David Singer wrote: >> If you have one and want to sell it let me know... Must be 1920x1200. >> I am just looking for something inexpensive to tide me over until the >> price of LED backbit LCD's comes down (3-6 months). >> >> David >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > From szumlins at mac.com Tue Oct 14 23:41:49 2008 From: szumlins at mac.com (Mike Szumlinski) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:41:49 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Web proxy with tracking/login? Message-ID: <7DD3885E-D2CA-4F62-897C-B9527B3966E8@mac.com> I figured I would ask here since there is a lot of OSS use. Does anyone have any recommendations for a web proxy that allows for login based tracking? I have a customer looking to track where their employees have been during the day, but since it is such a small shop a lot of the appliance based commercial proxies are overkill on both price and features. Anyone know of anything out there or can make any recommendations? -Mike From szumlins at mac.com Tue Oct 14 23:40:02 2008 From: szumlins at mac.com (Mike Szumlinski) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:40:02 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] WTB: LCD Monitor 1920x1200 In-Reply-To: References: <80324a260810141730i62b66795jffa212e1cae5ffc2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1088C590-903D-4002-9E56-77553FAF9BE7@mac.com> Ironically enough, I ordered a Samsung from Buy.com today for $350 shipped. Can't complain about the price. http://www.buy.com/prod/samsung-2433bw-24-widescreen-lcd-monitor-20-000-1-dc-5ms-1920-x-1200/q/loc/101/209316329.html -Mike On Oct 14, 2008, at 10:59 PM, Richard Houser wrote: > Disclaimer: I don't have any LCDs to spare. > > Standard resolution for a good standard aspect LCD would be > 1600x1200. Does it really have to be a widescreen? Back when I had > been shopping for LCD panels, I found that most of the affordable > widescreen models were slow, small, missing the standard DVI > connector, or low resolution. Those limitations didn't hold true > for standard aspect ratio displays, and something like a larger 20 > or 21" standard aspect screen was a LOT more affordable than a > smaller 22" widescreen. > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 8:30 PM, David Singer > wrote: > If you have one and want to sell it let me know... Must be 1920x1200. > I am just looking for something inexpensive to tide me over until the > price of LED backbit LCD's comes down (3-6 months). > > David > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Wed Oct 15 08:23:59 2008 From: mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us (Mike Rambo) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:23:59 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Web proxy with tracking/login? In-Reply-To: <7DD3885E-D2CA-4F62-897C-B9527B3966E8@mac.com> References: <7DD3885E-D2CA-4F62-897C-B9527B3966E8@mac.com> Message-ID: <20081015082359.6d4f588d@mrambo.imcdomain.local> On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:41:49 -0400 Mike Szumlinski wrote: > I figured I would ask here since there is a lot of OSS use. Does > anyone have any recommendations for a web proxy that allows for > login based tracking? I have a customer looking to track where > their employees have been during the day, but since it is such a > small shop a lot of the appliance based commercial proxies are > overkill on both price and features. > > Anyone know of anything out there or can make any recommendations? > Squid logs pretty much everything. Literally every access. Sarg does a great job of pulling that log data into reports that are (I think) exactly what you've asked for. -- Mike Rambo "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt From mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Wed Oct 15 08:29:22 2008 From: mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us (Mike Rambo) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:29:22 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Web proxy with tracking/login? In-Reply-To: <20081015082359.6d4f588d@mrambo.imcdomain.local> References: <7DD3885E-D2CA-4F62-897C-B9527B3966E8@mac.com> <20081015082359.6d4f588d@mrambo.imcdomain.local> Message-ID: <20081015082922.785535ee@mrambo.imcdomain.local> On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:23:59 -0400 Mike Rambo wrote: > On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:41:49 -0400 > Mike Szumlinski wrote: > > > I figured I would ask here since there is a lot of OSS use. Does > > anyone have any recommendations for a web proxy that allows for > > login based tracking? I have a customer looking to track where > > their employees have been during the day, but since it is such a > > small shop a lot of the appliance based commercial proxies are > > overkill on both price and features. > > > > Anyone know of anything out there or can make any recommendations? > > > > Squid logs pretty much everything. Literally every access. Sarg does a > great job of pulling that log data into reports that are (I think) > exactly what you've asked for. > > BTW, since I forgot to explicitly mention it previously, squid does support login based browsing with several authentication methods available. I've never seen a sarg report from a proxy with authentication in use but with the volume of data I know squid logs and the volume of data in the sarg reporting it is entirely possible it will have what you need. I *know* it has every access by IP and/or machine name. -- Mike Rambo "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt From jeffh at smallevolution.com Wed Oct 15 08:57:38 2008 From: jeffh at smallevolution.com (Jeff Hengesbach) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] [Fwd: Re: Web proxy with tracking/login?] Message-ID: <4042.12.150.45.142.1224075458.squirrel@www.smallevolution.com> Missed the list on this one - looks like Mike R beat me too the punch ;). ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Web proxy with tracking/login? From: "Jeff Hengesbach" Date: Wed, October 15, 2008 8:44 am To: "Mike Szumlinski" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Squid + Webalizer would be a good start. Squid can be setup to require authentication, and webalizer can give you static reports on: most visited urls, highest KB urls, Users (by highest URL count, not KB's though), & more. I've used this at work for several years including squidguard thrown in for filtering. I took to dumping my squid logs into a database where I could perform more advance queries than what webalizer provides. A few 'cautions'. Visiting a single web page can generate _lots_ of url hits as images, banners, and other content are pulled from all across the web to generate one page. That said interpreting proxy logs is voluminous process unless you're looking for a relatively specific url, download, etc. Trying to glean how much time an user spends online from logs can be indicative, but not definitive. Many web pages if left open, even minimized, very often reload content automatically. I've found the use of logs most useful for the following situations. 1) Locating bandwidth hogs(streaming, downlaods, etc), 2) Proof of very specific URL access, 3) Having a good overall count of bandwidth used for surfing. 4) Legal just-in-case situations. Using squidguard has been a huge positive. It has all but eliminated spyware issues. My 2 cents. Jeff > I figured I would ask here since there is a lot of OSS use. Does > anyone have any recommendations for a web proxy that allows for login > based tracking? I have a customer looking to track where their > employees have been during the day, but since it is such a small shop > a lot of the appliance based commercial proxies are overkill on both > price and features. > > Anyone know of anything out there or can make any recommendations? > > -Mike > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > From c.e.tower at gmail.com Fri Oct 17 19:41:21 2008 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:41:21 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Meeting, October 23rd In-Reply-To: <4FD76E7B-FB28-4770-A1A1-7F8BD60AA4DB@cesconetto.com> References: <48023871.9010700@gmail.com> <48F40A0C.4060808@gmail.com> <4FD76E7B-FB28-4770-A1A1-7F8BD60AA4DB@cesconetto.com> Message-ID: <48F922A1.6000702@gmail.com> It appears we can have the meeting in the third floor conference room as usual. Chick --- On Fri, 10/17/08, Johnson,Kathy wrote: > From: Johnson,Kathy > Subject: Meeting here next Thursday. > To: cetower76 at yahoo.com > Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 2:42 PM > Charles: > > As I suspected the workshop that conflicted with your > meeting here next week has been cancelled. > > So you all are free to use that 3rd floor conference room > on the 23rd. > > Kathy From msg at msu.edu Sat Oct 18 13:08:57 2008 From: msg at msu.edu (Mike) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 13:08:57 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] [Fwd: Re: [Firmware] dietlibc for uclibc] Message-ID: <48FA1829.7000905@msu.edu> Below is an interesting email from Rob Landley, a nice fellow who works on "Firmware Linux" (http://landley.net/code/firmware/). Just included it 'cause it was interesting. :) -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Firmware] dietlibc for uclibc Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:52:03 -0500 From: Rob Landley To: firmware at them.com References: <5c179c7f0810161439j6fc0959fjce72385130632f78 at mail.gmail.com> On Thursday 16 October 2008 16:39:09 Johannes Klarenbeek wrote: > he all, > > found this amazing libc package a few days ago, thought of you and > maybe it would be fun to try it out. it would certainly add to the > size of firmwarelinux! For a moment, I thought you were talking about klibc, which has been on my todo list to poke at for a while... http://kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/klibc/ But I haven't gotten around to it. For one thing, it's not even trying to be a full glibc replacement the way uClibc is. > http://www.fefe.de/dietlibc/ I've been aware of dietlibc for years. I'm also aware why uClibc is much more widely used. Here's an irc session from the uClibc developers back on September 16, 2003: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23uclibc/20030916.html.gz > 02:13.16 #mjn3# felix complains that i don't report dietlibc bugs. so, i > point out that his "fixed" fputc can write to stdin. so he adds CANREAD > and CANWRITE flags and checks for them in fgetc and fputc, but _not_ in > fread or fwrite > 02:14.54 #kergoth# sounds like you're fighting an uphill > battle with these people > 02:15.36 #mjn3# the dietlibc philosophy seems to > be "if it links and it looks like it runs, then it is good enough" > 02:18.21 # mjn3# i spent 20 minutes browsing their stdio code yesterday and > spotted 5 or 6 definite bugs and 4 or 5 other questionable things i didn't > feel like taking time to investigate > 02:19.37 #mjn3# on the plus side though, i made > me check the C99 standard and realize that stdio output behavior when feof > is true changed between c89 and c99 > 02:20.09 #mjn3# and while i was > looking, i found a site with all the C standard defect reports > 02:20.24 # mjn3# so it was 20 minutes well spent > 02:30.14 #mjn3# kergoth: the uphill battle i'm fighting is with ulrich > drepper. i swear, i don't know how to make things any clearer unless i > pull out a box of crayons and start drawing cartoons to illustrate the > problems > 03:14.54 #mjn3# sigh... dietlibc's ftell is only 2 lines long, but > contains 2 bugs > 03:15.18 #bug1# hehe > 03:17.24 #mjn3# but it sure is small... Possibly it's gotten less thoroughly buggy over the past few years, but if so I hadn't heard about the project's change in direction. uClibc strives to be small _and_ correct. klibc strives to be small and simple over everything else, and sacrifices lots of features to do it. Dietlibc kind of gets caught in the middle, doing neither well. Rob _______________________________________________ Firmware mailing list Firmware at them.com http://www2.them.com:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/firmware From c.e.tower at gmail.com Sat Oct 18 23:34:19 2008 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 23:34:19 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon Info In-Reply-To: <8e690af80810152010j7ce57084w4364fce7bb900dfb@mail.gmail.com> References: <48023871.9010700@gmail.com> <48F40A0C.4060808@gmail.com> <8e690af80810152010j7ce57084w4364fce7bb900dfb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48FAAABB.3000604@gmail.com> I attended my first Penguicon convention committee meeting today. They're trying to get ThinkGeek to buy a table in the dealer's room. If ThinkGeek is there, we might not be able to sell Linux buttons in the computer lounge. I'll check on this with the dealer coordinator. They said the computer lounge is going to be in the pit of the hotel atrium, so it sounds like it will be in an open area. I could be wrong, though; I got so wrapped up in the Brazilian beef discussions after the meeting that I forgot to ask to see what our area looks like. The marketing organizer would like to advertise in Michigan college and university student newspapers. He would like to know their advertising rates. I know we have at least one college student who subscribes to this. For all of our students, could you let me know what student newspapers you can get copy of? I can send you the contact info for Jer Lance so you can send on the advertising rates. Penguicon will have a table at Gamers for Giving (http://www.gamersoutreach.org/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=17&Itemid=32), and Matt Arnold (the Penguicon committe chairman for 2009) would like some help. If someone is going to be there (Karl?), he would appreciate someone sitting in for a while so he could get a break. If you want to help, let me know and I'll give you his address. It looks like we'll begin serving Brazilian beef around 4:00 p.m. on Saturday at the convention. If any of you have questions, comments, or suggestions for the Brazilian beef cook-out next year, feel free to let me know. I only ask that you send them to me at beef at penguicon.org, so I can keep everything in one place. Chick From mortel at cyber-nos.com Tue Oct 21 13:09:51 2008 From: mortel at cyber-nos.com (Stanley C. Mortel) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:09:51 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] TCP stack issue Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.1.20081021130908.00c5d210@pop.cyber-nos.com> F.Y.I. Interesting for sure. > --Denial-of-Service Vulnerability Found in TCP Stack >(October 2, 2008) >Swedish researchers have uncovered flaws in the TCP stack that could be >exploited to create denial-of-service conditions. The attack can be >carried out in less than five minutes and exploits the way resources >are allocated after a successful three-way handshake. The problem >was discovered while the researchers were testing a scanning tool. >More information about the issue is expected to be presented at the >T2'08 Information Security Conference later this month in Helsinki. >http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/831 >http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10056759-83.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1009_3-0-20 >http://www.heise-online.co.uk/security/Speculation-surrounds-DoS-vulnerability-in-the-TCP-protocol--/news/111651 **************************** Stan Mortel mortel at cyber-nos.com **************************** From clay at lazarusid.com Tue Oct 21 13:45:21 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:45:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] TCP stack issue In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.1.20081021130908.00c5d210@pop.cyber-nos.com> References: <5.2.1.1.1.20081021130908.00c5d210@pop.cyber-nos.com> Message-ID: Did the article mention -which- TCP/IP stack had the flaw? Linux, Windows and BSD all use a different stack. Similar, but divergent enough that one has different flaws than the others. Clay On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Stanley C. Mortel wrote: > F.Y.I. Interesting for sure. > >> --Denial-of-Service Vulnerability Found in TCP Stack >> (October 2, 2008) >> Swedish researchers have uncovered flaws in the TCP stack that could be >> exploited to create denial-of-service conditions. The attack can be >> carried out in less than five minutes and exploits the way resources >> are allocated after a successful three-way handshake. The problem >> was discovered while the researchers were testing a scanning tool. >> More information about the issue is expected to be presented at the >> T2'08 Information Security Conference later this month in Helsinki. >> http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/831 >> http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10056759-83.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1009_3-0-20 >> http://www.heise-online.co.uk/security/Speculation-surrounds-DoS-vulnerability-in-the-TCP-protocol--/news/111651 > > > > **************************** > Stan Mortel > mortel at cyber-nos.com > **************************** > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From george at idealso.com Thu Oct 23 21:17:42 2008 From: george at idealso.com (Michael George) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:17:42 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Memtest86+ Message-ID: <49012236.6090204@idealso.com> I have a question for you hardware-diddlers out there. I bought 1GB of PC133 SDRAM for a Mac. I got Crucial and it was highly rated (by a whopping 4 people) on newegg.com. I put it into an ASUS A7V system to test it. I have a 256MB PC133 DIMM that works fine and tests fine with Memtest86+. However, when I put either of the 512MB DIMMs into the system and run the test, it will fail on test #8. It seems a rather odd coincidence for both of them to fail the same test, but the 256 passes just fine. I'm running Memtest86 on one of the DIMMs in a different slot on the mobo to see if that might have something to do with it, but it seems unlikely as the 256 tested just fine. Is there perhaps some idiosyncrasy of which I may not be aware that could be causing this? I don't want to RMA this RAM only to find that the test was flawed, not the memory... Thanks! -- -M There are 10 kinds of people in this world: Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. From andres at msu.edu Thu Oct 23 21:27:40 2008 From: andres at msu.edu (STeve Andre') Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:27:40 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Memtest86+ In-Reply-To: <49012236.6090204@idealso.com> References: <49012236.6090204@idealso.com> Message-ID: <200810232127.41283.andres@msu.edu> On Thursday 23 October 2008 21:17:42 Michael George wrote: > I have a question for you hardware-diddlers out there. I bought 1GB of > PC133 SDRAM for a Mac. I got Crucial and it was highly rated (by a > whopping 4 people) on newegg.com. > > I put it into an ASUS A7V system to test it. I have a 256MB PC133 DIMM > that works fine and tests fine with Memtest86+. However, when I put > either of the 512MB DIMMs into the system and run the test, it will fail > on test #8. It seems a rather odd coincidence for both of them to fail > the same test, but the 256 passes just fine. > > I'm running Memtest86 on one of the DIMMs in a different slot on the > mobo to see if that might have something to do with it, but it seems > unlikely as the 256 tested just fine. > > Is there perhaps some idiosyncrasy of which I may not be aware that > could be causing this? I don't want to RMA this RAM only to find that > the test was flawed, not the memory... > > Thanks! Most likely the mac memory is a little bit different than memory for that asus motherboard. Memtest runs, but fails at a certan point leading me to believe some subtle difference like cas or ras rates are just enough different that memtest is able to find a problem. I'd stuff the memory in the Mac and do stuff and see what happens. If you are really curious about this, I'd get the specs for the memory you have now, and what they say is needed for the assus board, and check every spec. Even then, there might be something a little different. The only time I've had a problem with Crucial is getting memory for a mac laptop. I'm not sure what Apple is doing.. But put it in the mac and see what happens. --STeve Andre' From mortel at cyber-nos.com Thu Oct 23 23:49:26 2008 From: mortel at cyber-nos.com (Stanley C. Mortel) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:49:26 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Memtest86+ In-Reply-To: <49012236.6090204@idealso.com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.1.20081023234719.00c06d68@pop.cyber-nos.com> Years ago I had a somewhat similar problem. I was able to test the RAM in an identical PC and things went fine. Turned out it was a bad memory bus on the motherboard. Didn't show up until the amount of RAM was increased. Just a thought. Stan At 09:17 PM 10/23/2008 -0400, you wrote: >I have a question for you hardware-diddlers out there. I bought 1GB of >PC133 SDRAM for a Mac. I got Crucial and it was highly rated (by a >whopping 4 people) on newegg.com. > >I put it into an ASUS A7V system to test it. I have a 256MB PC133 DIMM >that works fine and tests fine with Memtest86+. However, when I put >either of the 512MB DIMMs into the system and run the test, it will fail >on test #8. It seems a rather odd coincidence for both of them to fail >the same test, but the 256 passes just fine. > >I'm running Memtest86 on one of the DIMMs in a different slot on the >mobo to see if that might have something to do with it, but it seems >unlikely as the 256 tested just fine. > >Is there perhaps some idiosyncrasy of which I may not be aware that >could be causing this? I don't want to RMA this RAM only to find that >the test was flawed, not the memory... > >Thanks! **************************** Stan Mortel mortel at cyber-nos.com **************************** From rick at divinesymphony.net Thu Oct 23 23:56:50 2008 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:56:50 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] TCP stack issue In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.1.20081021130908.00c5d210@pop.cyber-nos.com> References: <5.2.1.1.1.20081021130908.00c5d210@pop.cyber-nos.com> Message-ID: Definitely interesting, but statistically, this should be irrelevant for anyone on a new BSD or Linux kernel (ex. Mandriva 2009 is a 2.6.27 series kernel). Typical turnarounds are typically in the hours range for such things, and most OSS has had fairly comprehensive hardening against TCP attacks (such as syn flood counter-measures, random sequence ids, etc.). I'd recommend checking you distro's update repos for a kernel update or reading the kernel changelogs for more info. On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Stanley C. Mortel wrote: > F.Y.I. Interesting for sure. > > > --Denial-of-Service Vulnerability Found in TCP Stack > >(October 2, 2008) > >Swedish researchers have uncovered flaws in the TCP stack that could be > >exploited to create denial-of-service conditions. The attack can be > >carried out in less than five minutes and exploits the way resources > >are allocated after a successful three-way handshake. The problem > >was discovered while the researchers were testing a scanning tool. > >More information about the issue is expected to be presented at the > >T2'08 Information Security Conference later this month in Helsinki. > >http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/831 > > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10056759-83.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1009_3-0-20 > > > http://www.heise-online.co.uk/security/Speculation-surrounds-DoS-vulnerability-in-the-TCP-protocol--/news/111651 > > > > **************************** > Stan Mortel > mortel at cyber-nos.com > **************************** > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20081023/99049191/attachment.html From rick at divinesymphony.net Fri Oct 24 00:24:05 2008 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:24:05 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Memtest86+ In-Reply-To: <49012236.6090204@idealso.com> References: <49012236.6090204@idealso.com> Message-ID: Motherboards and memory can in some cases be a very tricky combination and some boards are known to be particularly finiky with different types of memory. Can you look up the memory timings, voltage, etc for your chips, look up what the BIOS is set to use, and post that all here? The fact that you were able to boot up at all says that the board probably should support the memory, but that doesn't necessarily mean the speed settings encoded on the DIMM are correct (all but one of mine since the 32-bit Athlon XP days have been set incorrectly, when comparing against the manufacturer provided settings). Also, if I'm remembering correctly, #8 was an extremely long test, correct? If your DIMMs have cooling problems, it might just take that long to start showing the problem. Can you do something like warm it up inside, move it someplace with a cold air intake (ex. in a garage during the day right now), and run it with the case off? Do these chips have heat spreaders attached? As long as you keep it warm, and don't shock it with freezing temperatures right off the bat, the cold won't harm your hardware at all -- just leave it off for a few hours after moving it indoors). Also, have you tested your power supply with a real tester (ie. not just "it boots" and runs)? Low voltage on the mainboard could be resulting in low voltages internal to your mobo, which can make things start to get flaky, etc. You'd be surprised how often a PS is out of spec on a typical machine, and it shows up in the strangest ways. Got a little ATX tester ( http://www.ultraproducts.com/product_details.php?cPath=53&pPath=242&productID=24 )? You're welcome to bring the PS in to the meeting on Thursday and use my tester (might not attend, so let me know if you are coming!), or I'll sell it outright for $5 (I want a more expensive one that supports the features on the newer SLI supplies). The one I linked will work for any 20-pin ATX, and I think it should also do the same set of tests on a 24-pin model since those are backwards compatible with 20-pin motherboards (up to you to check). Everyone that ever deals with mid-to low range hardware needs easy access to something like this, and I'd still recommend it even if your machines all use higher end supplies (I strongly recommend the Antec Earthwatts series!!!). On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Michael George wrote: > I have a question for you hardware-diddlers out there. I bought 1GB of > PC133 SDRAM for a Mac. I got Crucial and it was highly rated (by a > whopping 4 people) on newegg.com. > > I put it into an ASUS A7V system to test it. I have a 256MB PC133 DIMM > that works fine and tests fine with Memtest86+. However, when I put > either of the 512MB DIMMs into the system and run the test, it will fail > on test #8. It seems a rather odd coincidence for both of them to fail > the same test, but the 256 passes just fine. > > I'm running Memtest86 on one of the DIMMs in a different slot on the > mobo to see if that might have something to do with it, but it seems > unlikely as the 256 tested just fine. > > Is there perhaps some idiosyncrasy of which I may not be aware that > could be causing this? I don't want to RMA this RAM only to find that > the test was flawed, not the memory... > > Thanks! > > -- > -M > > There are 10 kinds of people in this world: > Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20081024/bdabb444/attachment.html From brierjon at msu.edu Fri Oct 24 11:43:40 2008 From: brierjon at msu.edu (Jonathan Brier) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:43:40 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Need help on testing and development. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey all you Linux fans. I am looking for anyone who can do web development or knows of those who would be willing to help with web development or application development of the website to become the public face for BOINC (http://boinc.berkeley.edu). This site is www.gridrepublic.org. I am volunteering as PR and Marketing person for them and before we can launch into full public view with marketing, advertising, and PR we need help to complete the site. The site is currently being developed by volunteers and is down currently as we add new features. I have contacted you before about BOINC. If you don't know what that is look here: http://www.boinc-wiki.info/Main_Page Currently I have NVIDIA interested in helping us and Dell is starting to look into this. If anyone knows of any local businesses or persons that would be willing to help support our efforts in any way let me know. If you have contacts for companies that would be great too. GridRepublic is a registered nonprofit. I am looking for anyone who would be willing and interested in testing it on Linux, Windows, or Macs. This program is cross platform compatible. If anyone would be interested in partnering with GridRepublic or would like to join me in the efforts to raise more awareness and bring more computing power helping to cure cancer, AIDS, and doing research in areas of nanotechnology, physics, astronomy, biology, medicine, mathematics, etc. Most projects release their findings to the public. The Large Hadron Collider even used a program to help make sure the beam was controlled correctly. Please let me know and I hope you can help me make connections. Jonathan Brier From mortel at cyber-nos.com Mon Oct 27 16:18:44 2008 From: mortel at cyber-nos.com (Stanley C. Mortel) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:18:44 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Wired keyboard EME sniffing Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.1.20081027161703.00c30040@pop.cyber-nos.com> I think I'll just go back to paper and pencil !!!!! > --Researchers Read Electromagnetic Emanations From Wired Keyboards >(October 20 & 22, 2008) >Swiss researchers have demonstrated that keystrokes from wired keyboards >can be read remotely from distances of up to 20 meters. The keyboards >emit electromagnetic waves. The researchers at Security and >Cryptography Laboratory at Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne have >described four different methods of eavesdropping on keystrokes on wired >keyboards. >http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10072967-83.html?tag=mncol;title >http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/20/keyboard_sniffing_attack/ > >************************************************************************* **************************** Stan Mortel mortel at cyber-nos.com **************************** From clay at lazarusid.com Mon Oct 27 16:44:34 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:44:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Wired keyboard EME sniffing In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.1.20081027161703.00c30040@pop.cyber-nos.com> References: <5.2.1.1.1.20081027161703.00c30040@pop.cyber-nos.com> Message-ID: Just remember to put your paper on a heavy bare metal sheet before writing. Picking up your notes off of a blotter or the lower pages on a pad of paper is kind of trivial. Clay On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Stanley C. Mortel wrote: > I think I'll just go back to paper and pencil !!!!! > >> --Researchers Read Electromagnetic Emanations From Wired Keyboards >> (October 20 & 22, 2008) >> Swiss researchers have demonstrated that keystrokes from wired keyboards >> can be read remotely from distances of up to 20 meters. The keyboards >> emit electromagnetic waves. The researchers at Security and >> Cryptography Laboratory at Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne have >> described four different methods of eavesdropping on keystrokes on wired >> keyboards. >> http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10072967-83.html?tag=mncol;title >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/20/keyboard_sniffing_attack/ >> >> ************************************************************************* > > > > **************************** > Stan Mortel > mortel at cyber-nos.com > **************************** > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From rick at divinesymphony.net Tue Oct 28 00:09:51 2008 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:09:51 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Wired keyboard EME sniffing In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.1.20081027161703.00c30040@pop.cyber-nos.com> References: <5.2.1.1.1.20081027161703.00c30040@pop.cyber-nos.com> Message-ID: Things like this just really make me want to build a Faraday cage around the server room I put in... tin foil just isn't good enough anymore. Seriously though, this could be trivially defeated with a fancy keyboard that could use a one-time pad synchronized to a teathered computer, right? Without having RTFA, I assume the scancodes are being read while sent over the unshielded cables? On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Stanley C. Mortel wrote: > I think I'll just go back to paper and pencil !!!!! > > > --Researchers Read Electromagnetic Emanations From Wired Keyboards > >(October 20 & 22, 2008) > >Swiss researchers have demonstrated that keystrokes from wired keyboards > >can be read remotely from distances of up to 20 meters. The keyboards > >emit electromagnetic waves. The researchers at Security and > >Cryptography Laboratory at Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne have > >described four different methods of eavesdropping on keystrokes on wired > >keyboards. > >http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10072967-83.html?tag=mncol;title > >http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/20/keyboard_sniffing_attack/ > > > >************************************************************************* > > > > **************************** > Stan Mortel > mortel at cyber-nos.com > **************************** > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20081028/3099b042/attachment.html From js3462 at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 08:28:05 2008 From: js3462 at gmail.com (Joe Smith) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:28:05 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Free Codeweavers Crossover today only Message-ID: CodeWeavers is giving away their crossover product for Mac and Linux today only. Their site is getting hammered so be patient. http://www.codeweavers.com/ Joe Smith Network Manager DeWitt Public Schools -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20081028/4b61287a/attachment.html From szumlins at mac.com Tue Oct 28 08:40:44 2008 From: szumlins at mac.com (Mike Szumlinski) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:40:44 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Free Codeweavers Crossover today only In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I actually paid $40 for it about 8 months ago for Mac. It works really well for certain things, not so well for others. What is nice is that they have a pretty in depth compatibility matrix on their site. Definitely worth checking out, especially for free. -Mike On Oct 28, 2008, at 8:28 AM, Joe Smith wrote: > CodeWeavers is giving away their crossover product for Mac and Linux > today only. Their site is getting hammered so be patient. > > http://www.codeweavers.com/ > > Joe Smith > Network Manager > DeWitt Public Schools > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From eric.john.miller at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 08:53:17 2008 From: eric.john.miller at gmail.com (Eric Miller) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:53:17 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Free Codeweavers Crossover today only In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49070B3D.1090109@gmail.com> Just requested the key. At least I think I did, the servers are really getting hammered. They are offering a free upgrade to the Pro version if you are a current customer. Eric Miller Mike Szumlinski wrote: > I actually paid $40 for it about 8 months ago for Mac. > > It works really well for certain things, not so well for others. > What is nice is that they have a pretty in depth compatibility matrix > on their site. > > Definitely worth checking out, especially for free. > > -Mike > From picasso at madflower.com Tue Oct 28 09:00:30 2008 From: picasso at madflower.com (Sean O'Malley) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] Free Codeweavers Crossover today only In-Reply-To: <49070B3D.1090109@gmail.com> Message-ID: They have fully unlocked builds: from http://down.codeweavers.com/ "Full Version Downloads For today only, we are putting up fully unlocked builds." http://media.codeweavers.com/pub/crossover/lameduck/crossover-pro-7.1.0.dmg http://media.codeweavers.com/pub/crossover/lameduck/crossover-games-7.1.1.dmg http://media.codeweavers.com/pub/crossover/lameduck/install-crossover-pro-7.1.0.sh http://media.codeweavers.com/pub/crossover/lameduck/install-crossover-games-7.1.2.sh On Tue, 28 Oct 2008, Eric Miller wrote: > Just requested the key. At least I think I did, the servers are really > getting hammered. They are offering a free upgrade to the Pro version if > you are a current customer. > > Eric Miller > > Mike Szumlinski wrote: > > I actually paid $40 for it about 8 months ago for Mac. > > > > It works really well for certain things, not so well for others. > > What is nice is that they have a pretty in depth compatibility matrix > > on their site. > > > > Definitely worth checking out, especially for free. > > > > -Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From eric.john.miller at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 10:17:06 2008 From: eric.john.miller at gmail.com (Eric Miller) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:17:06 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Free Codeweavers Crossover today only In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49071EE2.6030208@gmail.com> So, are you saying "unlocked" builds do not need registered keys? If that's so, I wonder why they want you to download and register keys? I'm a bit confused. Eric Sean O'Malley wrote: > They have fully unlocked builds: from http://down.codeweavers.com/ > "Full Version Downloads > For today only, we are putting up fully unlocked builds." > > http://media.codeweavers.com/pub/crossover/lameduck/crossover-pro-7.1.0.dmg > http://media.codeweavers.com/pub/crossover/lameduck/crossover-games-7.1.1.dmg > http://media.codeweavers.com/pub/crossover/lameduck/install-crossover-pro-7.1.0.sh > http://media.codeweavers.com/pub/crossover/lameduck/install-crossover-games-7.1.2.sh > > > On Tue, 28 Oct 2008, Eric Miller wrote: > >> Just requested the key. At least I think I did, the servers are really >> getting hammered. They are offering a free upgrade to the Pro version if >> you are a current customer. >> >> Eric Miller >> >> Mike Szumlinski wrote: >>> I actually paid $40 for it about 8 months ago for Mac. >>> >>> It works really well for certain things, not so well for others. >>> What is nice is that they have a pretty in depth compatibility matrix >>> on their site. >>> >>> Definitely worth checking out, especially for free. >>> >>> -Mike >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> > > From mortel at cyber-nos.com Thu Oct 30 15:19:14 2008 From: mortel at cyber-nos.com (Stanley C. Mortel) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:19:14 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] tonight Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.1.20081030151841.00c1af98@pop.cyber-nos.com> I've not yet been to the new meeting place. Where is it? I assume we are meeting tonight. **************************** Stan Mortel mortel at cyber-nos.com **************************** From marshal at freedombi.com Thu Oct 30 15:38:19 2008 From: marshal at freedombi.com (Marshal Newrock) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:38:19 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] tonight In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.1.20081030151841.00c1af98@pop.cyber-nos.com> References: <5.2.1.1.1.20081030151841.00c1af98@pop.cyber-nos.com> Message-ID: <20081030153819.7640ae3c@osiris> It's at the main branch of the Lansing Library, at Capital and Kalamazoo, on the third floor. Marshal On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:19:14 -0400 "Stanley C. Mortel" wrote: > I've not yet been to the new meeting place. Where is it? I assume > we are meeting tonight. > > **************************** > Stan Mortel > mortel at cyber-nos.com > **************************** > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -- Marshal Newrock 517-679-0699 x223 FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20081030/aac1e2de/attachment.bin