From crazytales at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 13:40:18 2008 From: crazytales at gmail.com (Chris Chan) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:40:18 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] OT: WTB socket 478 motherboard and 2gb DDR Message-ID: <4467498d0809011040l1eef2661h736d46f8ae26e369@mail.gmail.com> The board has to have 800FSB support for a 2.8GHz P4, sSpec SL6WJ, and support for not halting on keyboard errors. I'm also looking for 2-4 1GB sticks of DDR400. If any of you has this, email me with a price and when you'll be able to go to the meeting. Even better if you're around Flint and can make it to the FLUG meeting - I'm not sure that I want to ask my parents to drive to Lansing, or if they'll be able to. -- Chris Chan AIM: crztales YIM: crazytales562 MSN: cchan562 at yahoo.co.uk From marr at copper.net Tue Sep 2 12:39:47 2008 From: marr at copper.net (Marr) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 12:39:47 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Status of FLUG Message-ID: <200809021239.47991.marr@copper.net> Sent this to Flint Linux User's Group , but it bounced back at me.... So, trying again, to GLLUG.... Hey all, I've been wondering what the status of FLUG is.... Are there meetings going on or planned? The website has been down for a long time now. Just curious.... Bill Marr From crazytales at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 13:26:15 2008 From: crazytales at gmail.com (Chris Chan) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:26:15 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Status of FLUG In-Reply-To: <200809021239.47991.marr@copper.net> References: <200809021239.47991.marr@copper.net> Message-ID: <4467498d0809021026y1d608360x413ec94e9b375bf0@mail.gmail.com> I'm curious about this too... Lansing is quite a long drive for me... I'd prefer to attend meetings somewhere closer for the sake of gas prices. Don't let it die for lack of interest! --Chris On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Marr wrote: > Sent this to Flint Linux User's Group , but it bounced > back at me.... So, trying again, to GLLUG.... > > Hey all, > > I've been wondering what the status of FLUG is.... Are there meetings going on > or planned? The website has been down for a long time now. > > Just curious.... > > Bill Marr > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From clay at lazarusid.com Tue Sep 2 13:44:14 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 12:44:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Status of FLUG In-Reply-To: <4467498d0809021026y1d608360x413ec94e9b375bf0@mail.gmail.com> References: <200809021239.47991.marr@copper.net> <4467498d0809021026y1d608360x413ec94e9b375bf0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I think we should try to meet again. Attendance was sparse in the extreme for several months, and ultimately I became to busy to try wrangling everybody together twice a month. Tonight is the first tuesday of the month, and I think we should try to meet at The Elbow Room in Flushing again. Who is up for being there tonight? I'll show if I get a response here. Clay On Tue, 2 Sep 2008, Chris Chan wrote: > I'm curious about this too... Lansing is quite a long drive for me... > I'd prefer to attend meetings somewhere closer for the sake of gas > prices. Don't let it die for lack of interest! > > --Chris > > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Marr wrote: >> Sent this to Flint Linux User's Group , but it bounced >> back at me.... So, trying again, to GLLUG.... >> >> Hey all, >> >> I've been wondering what the status of FLUG is.... Are there meetings going on >> or planned? The website has been down for a long time now. >> >> Just curious.... >> >> Bill Marr >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From c.e.tower at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 23:01:27 2008 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:01:27 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Meeting Location for September 4th In-Reply-To: References: <6681F662-4FBB-4AB7-BCBA-28F659304F46@cesconetto.com> <48671802.3080907@msu.edu> <4868EDDB.1040501@idealso.com> <48718665.6010205@gmail.com> <984d708a0807062007r6166a33dk9a557579e335d0c9@mail.gmail.com> <488D40FF.7070307@gmail.com> <880BAD2D-1978-4D86-A9AE-A6FCBA407981@cesconetto.com> <12df8d4f0807280841r6b77e705s5f1cab4e7aa2d71@mail.gmail.com> <488DF4FB.5020602@gmail.com> <12df8d4f0807281400i2dc76060pbe63085d88e79d80@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48BDFE07.9090201@gmail.com> Rick, will the meeting be at Ted-Dee's or will it be held somewhere else? Chick From clay at lazarusid.com Wed Sep 3 09:35:21 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 08:35:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Meeting Location for September 4th In-Reply-To: <48BDFE07.9090201@gmail.com> References: <6681F662-4FBB-4AB7-BCBA-28F659304F46@cesconetto.com> <48671802.3080907@msu.edu> <4868EDDB.1040501@idealso.com> <48718665.6010205@gmail.com> <984d708a0807062007r6166a33dk9a557579e335d0c9@mail.gmail.com> <488D40FF.7070307@gmail.com> <880BAD2D-1978-4D86-A9AE-A6FCBA407981@cesconetto.com> <12df8d4f0807280841r6b77e705s5f1cab4e7aa2d71@mail.gmail.com> <488DF4FB.5020602@gmail.com> <12df8d4f0807281400i2dc76060pbe63085d88e79d80@mail.gmail.com> <48BDFE07.9090201@gmail.com> Message-ID: We are a little short on the somewhere elses at the moment, so Ted-Dee's looks very good. Jeff no longer has office space on Grand River. Clay On Tue, 2 Sep 2008, Chick Tower wrote: > Rick, will the meeting be at Ted-Dee's or will it be held somewhere else? > > Chick > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From jeff at idealso.com Wed Sep 3 12:45:23 2008 From: jeff at idealso.com (Jeff Lawton) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:45:23 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Meeting Location for September 4th In-Reply-To: References: <6681F662-4FBB-4AB7-BCBA-28F659304F46@cesconetto.com> <48671802.3080907@msu.edu> <4868EDDB.1040501@idealso.com> <48718665.6010205@gmail.com> <984d708a0807062007r6166a33dk9a557579e335d0c9@mail.gmail.com> <488D40FF.7070307@gmail.com> <880BAD2D-1978-4D86-A9AE-A6FCBA407981@cesconetto.com> <12df8d4f0807280841r6b77e705s5f1cab4e7aa2d71@mail.gmail.com> <488DF4FB.5020602@gmail.com> <12df8d4f0807281400i2dc76060pbe63085d88e79d80@mail.gmail.com> <48BDFE07.9090201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48BEBF23.2080504@idealso.com> Yes, I have moved my office. I am sure we could still have meetings at the Grand River location. However, it has become pretty clear that having food available is desirable to most people. So for now we will hold regular meetings at Ted-Dees. Jeff Clay Dowling wrote: > We are a little short on the somewhere elses at the moment, so Ted-Dee's > looks very good. Jeff no longer has office space on Grand River. > > Clay > > On Tue, 2 Sep 2008, Chick Tower wrote: > > >> Rick, will the meeting be at Ted-Dee's or will it be held somewhere else? >> >> Chick >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> >> > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -- Jeff Lawton Ideal Solution, LLC 517-485-2650 ext 220 jeff at idealso.com http://www.idealso.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Karl From simple.solutions at comcast.net Thu Sep 4 15:41:42 2008 From: simple.solutions at comcast.net (Peter Christenson) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:41:42 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] dynamic DNS and self hosting Message-ID: <20080904194145.97D0971EDA5@mx.egr.msu.edu> Hi all, So with a large amount of help from my friend Skippy I have a working CentOS server up and running. Now I would like to be able to access it from the net for personal use. I have used no-ip.com under windows in the passed but have no Idea what to use here. Any and All suggestions, thoughts and general ramblings please. Please note that I have about 16.2 hours of experience with the command line, and YUM is my best friend right now, but I am up for the challenge of a walk through. :) Peter. From david at ramaboo.com Thu Sep 4 15:57:01 2008 From: david at ramaboo.com (David Singer) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:57:01 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] dynamic DNS and self hosting In-Reply-To: <20080904194145.97D0971EDA5@mx.egr.msu.edu> References: <20080904194145.97D0971EDA5@mx.egr.msu.edu> Message-ID: <80324a260809041257m5cbff454w22f87a9bc8df0d09@mail.gmail.com> if you have a wrt54g there are options to have it update dynamic dns services. David On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Peter Christenson < simple.solutions at comcast.net> wrote: > Hi all, > > So with a large amount of help from my friend Skippy I have a working > CentOS server up and running. Now I would like to be able to access it from > the net for personal use. I have used no-ip.com under windows in the > passed but have no Idea what to use here. > > Any and All suggestions, thoughts and general ramblings please. > > Please note that I have about 16.2 hours of experience with the command > line, and YUM is my best friend right now, but I am up for the challenge of > a walk through. :) > > > Peter. > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20080904/667888f4/attachment.html From rexykik at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 16:30:02 2008 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:30:02 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] dynamic DNS and self hosting In-Reply-To: <80324a260809041257m5cbff454w22f87a9bc8df0d09@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080904194145.97D0971EDA5@mx.egr.msu.edu> <80324a260809041257m5cbff454w22f87a9bc8df0d09@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <984d708a0809041330l455e8958jb1c6e29ae1d33d1d@mail.gmail.com> I've always had good luck with dd-wrt/open-wrt 's DNS updaters and dyndns.org. I would recommend dyndns.org over dynup.net, which is another provider I've used in the past. 2008/9/4 David Singer : > if you have a wrt54g there are options to have it update dynamic dns > services. > > David > > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Peter Christenson > wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> So with a large amount of help from my friend Skippy I have a working >> CentOS server up and running. Now I would like to be able to access it from >> the net for personal use. I have used no-ip.com under windows in the passed >> but have no Idea what to use here. >> >> Any and All suggestions, thoughts and general ramblings please. >> >> Please note that I have about 16.2 hours of experience with the command >> line, and YUM is my best friend right now, but I am up for the challenge of >> a walk through. :) >> >> >> Peter. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > From clay at lazarusid.com Thu Sep 4 16:50:35 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:50:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon Beer Brewing Message-ID: At the last meeting we talked about plans for the room party next year at Penguicon. Instead of buying beer it occurred to us that we could brew it, which would be completely in keeping with the open source conference idea. Last year we went through 15 gallons of beer. My brewing setup is capable of brewing 5 finished gallons at a time, which would mean three brewing sessions. I figure to make the brewing a group event (or events) at my house. The current beer plan: 1. Czech Pilsner - The original golden beer. Light in color, strong in flavor. The best commercial example is Czechvar, which many grocery stores are now carrying. Sapporo is also in this style. 2. Scottish Wee Heavy - similar to the beer we drank last year. Expect this stuff to wreck your head and your guts the next day if you drink unwisely. 3a. Schwarzbier - A dark german ale. My recipe is good with chocolate, and if we make this we should form a partnership with the chocolate/fudge people. 3b. Heffewiezen - Similar to Schwarzbier, but light in color. There are a lot of variations in flavor, but my recipe is pretty mellow and eminently drinkable. A choice would have to be made between 3a and 3b (at least in theory). The pilsner needs to be brewed first, and soon, because it needs a few months in a refrigerator for proper secondary fermentation. I propose either the 13th or 20th of September for the first brewing party at my house. You do not need to know anything about brewing to participate, you'll learn as we go, and you'll be a better brew-monkey for the next session. If we can round up a couple of people and some equipment I'm not opposed to expanding the beer offering (e.g. we make both 3a and 3b) by brewing a couple of batches at each brew session. Post a note on the list or contact me via email if you're interested in helping out. Clay From marshal at freedombi.com Thu Sep 4 17:03:05 2008 From: marshal at freedombi.com (Marshal Newrock) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:03:05 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon Beer Brewing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080904170305.79613599@osiris> On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:50:35 -0500 (EST) Clay Dowling wrote: > 3a. Schwarzbier - A dark german ale. My recipe is good with > chocolate, and if we make this we should form a partnership with the > chocolate/fudge people. > > 3b. Heffewiezen - Similar to Schwarzbier, but light in color. There > are a lot of variations in flavor, but my recipe is pretty mellow and > eminently drinkable. > > A choice would have to be made between 3a and 3b (at least in theory). I vote 3a. May the Schwarzbier with you. -- Marshal Newrock FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Now I would like to be able to access it from the net for personal use. I have used no-ip.com under windows in the passed but have no Idea what to use here. > > Any and All suggestions, thoughts and general ramblings please. > > Please note that I have about 16.2 hours of experience with the command line, and YUM is my best friend right now, but I am up for the challenge of a walk through. :) > > > Peter. > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From charles at bityard.net Thu Sep 4 18:35:17 2008 From: charles at bityard.net (Charles Ulrich) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:35:17 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon Beer Brewing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8e690af80809041535r53d94203q5c62ff3f11f5a4a@mail.gmail.com> I'm for the chocolate beer. I can probably make it either day. Charles On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Clay Dowling wrote: > At the last meeting we talked about plans for the room party next year at > Penguicon. Instead of buying beer it occurred to us that we could brew > it, which would be completely in keeping with the open source conference > idea. > > Last year we went through 15 gallons of beer. My brewing setup is capable > of brewing 5 finished gallons at a time, which would mean three brewing > sessions. I figure to make the brewing a group event (or events) at my > house. > > The current beer plan: > > 1. Czech Pilsner - The original golden beer. Light in color, strong in > flavor. The best commercial example is Czechvar, which many grocery > stores are now carrying. Sapporo is also in this style. > > 2. Scottish Wee Heavy - similar to the beer we drank last year. Expect > this stuff to wreck your head and your guts the next day if you drink > unwisely. > > 3a. Schwarzbier - A dark german ale. My recipe is good with chocolate, > and if we make this we should form a partnership with the chocolate/fudge > people. > > 3b. Heffewiezen - Similar to Schwarzbier, but light in color. There are a > lot of variations in flavor, but my recipe is pretty mellow and eminently > drinkable. > > A choice would have to be made between 3a and 3b (at least in theory). > > The pilsner needs to be brewed first, and soon, because it needs a few > months in a refrigerator for proper secondary fermentation. > > I propose either the 13th or 20th of September for the first brewing party > at my house. You do not need to know anything about brewing to > participate, you'll learn as we go, and you'll be a better brew-monkey for > the next session. If we can round up a couple of people and some > equipment I'm not opposed to expanding the beer offering (e.g. we make > both 3a and 3b) by brewing a couple of batches at each brew session. > > > Post a note on the list or contact me via email if you're interested in > helping out. > > Clay > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From charles at bityard.net Thu Sep 4 18:40:15 2008 From: charles at bityard.net (Charles Ulrich) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:40:15 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Fwd: [penguicon-general] Linux Game highlights at Penguicon 7.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8e690af80809041540j2e5a84d8k338932012a017c92@mail.gmail.com> Thought I'd forward this over here because it might involve us and sounds like a decently cool idea. Charles ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rich Elswick Date: Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 5:29 PM Subject: [penguicon-general] Linux Game highlights at Penguicon 7.0 To: penguicon-general at penguicon.org Hi All, So I was chatting with Matt and he gave me the go ahead to discuss a couple proposals for the upcoming con. --- Item 1. I suggest we host an awards ceremony for Linux Games / Gaming. I will lead the charge on this one and I am looking for ideas and assistance in moving it forward. It would be similar to the following: http://www.pennyarcadeexpo.com/pax10.php Perhaps Call it the the Pen10 or Pen5 or some such. Pg13. It is basically and awards ceremony type deal for Linux games. We could have several catagories. In all cases it would be games released in the past year (perhaps in some categories, games that have had a major release in the past year.) Some ideas I had were: 1. Best overall Linux game. 2. Best Linux only playable / designed game. 3. Best Wine Game. 4. Best Open Source Game. 5. Best Indie Linux Game (aren't they all indies?) 6. Best Linux Game as voted on by the con attendees. This would be picked from submissions and 3-5 would be highlighted at the con via a kiosk or in the computer lounge. This award would probably be announced at the closing ceremonies, with voting closing about 1-2 hours prior. 7. Best Game Development Tool / script. (not sure this one applies to this per se, but it is a cool thought) *note I didn't exclude web games per se, but perhaps we either have a special catagory for that or just exclude them from their submissions. There are many advantages to doing something like what I am suggesting above and I believe they are fairly obvious. As of right now I would like to have 3-5 people assist with this, but beyond that I am leaving it open to suggestions for now. --- Item 2. I would like to run a small-ish game competition for the con, where perhaps a week or month or so in advance of the con, the rules are released. Then the option is open to all to submit a game until about a week before hand, when judges pick the finalists for the con. Perhaps the timing needs tweaked. Think something like Pyweek perhaps. Let me know what you all think. I believe we could possibly get some sponsors for this on board as well to donate prizes and such. Thanks, -- Rich Elswick http://www.moyaentertainment.com _______________________________________________ penguicon-general mailing list penguicon-general at penguicon.org http://penguicon.org/mailman/listinfo/penguicon-general From sjsayers93 at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 21:22:06 2008 From: sjsayers93 at gmail.com (Steven Sayers) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 21:22:06 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Fwd: [penguicon-general] Linux Game highlights at Penguicon 7.0 In-Reply-To: <8e690af80809041540j2e5a84d8k338932012a017c92@mail.gmail.com> References: <8e690af80809041540j2e5a84d8k338932012a017c92@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On a similar topic I've been working on my own game here for the last month or so. It's a collection of arcade games with a purpose. You play a character in space. An arcade game for example would be filtering water, where you must drop an unfiltered water cube in a plinko like physics environment and have it land on one of the correct scoring pads. There is about 1000 lines of code done thus far. It might fit into this event, or it may just be shameless promotion. In any event you can read up on it at http://code.google.com/p/tlc-spacegame/ On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:40 PM, Charles Ulrich wrote: > Thought I'd forward this over here because it might involve us and > sounds like a decently cool idea. > > Charles > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Rich Elswick > Date: Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 5:29 PM > Subject: [penguicon-general] Linux Game highlights at Penguicon 7.0 > To: penguicon-general at penguicon.org > > > Hi All, > > > So I was chatting with Matt and he gave me the go ahead to discuss a > couple proposals for the upcoming con. > > --- Item 1. > > I suggest we host an awards ceremony for Linux Games / Gaming. I will > lead the charge on this one and I am looking for ideas and assistance > in moving it forward. It would be similar to the following: > > http://www.pennyarcadeexpo.com/pax10.php > > Perhaps Call it the the Pen10 or Pen5 or some such. Pg13. It is > basically and awards ceremony type deal for Linux games. We could > have several catagories. In all cases it would be games released in > the past year (perhaps in some categories, games that have had a major > release in the past year.) Some ideas I had were: > > 1. Best overall Linux game. > 2. Best Linux only playable / designed game. > 3. Best Wine Game. > 4. Best Open Source Game. > 5. Best Indie Linux Game (aren't they all indies?) > 6. Best Linux Game as voted on by the con attendees. This would be > picked from submissions and 3-5 would be highlighted at the con via a > kiosk or in the computer lounge. This award would probably be > announced at the closing ceremonies, with voting closing about 1-2 > hours prior. > 7. Best Game Development Tool / script. (not sure this one applies to > this per se, but it is a cool thought) > > *note I didn't exclude web games per se, but perhaps we either have a > special catagory for that or just exclude them from their submissions. > > There are many advantages to doing something like what I am suggesting > above and I believe they are fairly obvious. As of right now I would > like to have 3-5 people assist with this, but beyond that I am leaving > it open to suggestions for now. > > --- Item 2. > > I would like to run a small-ish game competition for the con, where > perhaps a week or month or so in advance of the con, the rules are > released. Then the option is open to all to submit a game until about > a week before hand, when judges pick the finalists for the con. > Perhaps the timing needs tweaked. Think something like Pyweek > perhaps. > > Let me know what you all think. I believe we could possibly get some > sponsors for this on board as well to donate prizes and such. > > Thanks, > > -- > Rich Elswick > http://www.moyaentertainment.com > > > _______________________________________________ > penguicon-general mailing list > penguicon-general at penguicon.org > http://penguicon.org/mailman/listinfo/penguicon-general > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20080904/05903cb3/attachment.html From craigw at cctechservices.com Thu Sep 4 22:25:10 2008 From: craigw at cctechservices.com (Craig Weaver) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 22:25:10 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] dynamic DNS and self hosting In-Reply-To: <8e690af80809041532h5d1731f7tdc1732ac7e9c6a09@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080904194145.97D0971EDA5@mx.egr.msu.edu> <8e690af80809041532h5d1731f7tdc1732ac7e9c6a09@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: m0n0wall between your server and the internet and it does auto update to dyndns.org. that's what I use and love it. On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Charles Ulrich wrote: > If you're using your registrar's nameservers, they may have a dynamic > DNS feature you can utilize. (But chances are very good that you still > need some kind of script to keep the IP current.) > > Charles > > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Peter Christenson > wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > So with a large amount of help from my friend Skippy I have a working > CentOS server up and running. Now I would like to be able to access it from > the net for personal use. I have used no-ip.com under windows in the > passed but have no Idea what to use here. > > > > Any and All suggestions, thoughts and general ramblings please. > > > > Please note that I have about 16.2 hours of experience with the command > line, and YUM is my best friend right now, but I am up for the challenge of > a walk through. :) > > > > > > Peter. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > linux-user mailing list > > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20080904/5093bd31/attachment.html From bholcomb at liquidweb.com Thu Sep 4 22:28:42 2008 From: bholcomb at liquidweb.com (Ben Holcomb) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 22:28:42 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] dynamic DNS and self hosting In-Reply-To: <984d708a0809041330l455e8958jb1c6e29ae1d33d1d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080904194145.97D0971EDA5@mx.egr.msu.edu> <80324a260809041257m5cbff454w22f87a9bc8df0d09@mail.gmail.com> <984d708a0809041330l455e8958jb1c6e29ae1d33d1d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48C0995A.4070602@liquidweb.com> I would like to second the use of DynDNS.org. I've been using dyndns.org and ddclient successfully for probably half a decade now without a single problem. DynDNS is very redundant and full of win! Karl Schuttler wrote: > I've always had good luck with dd-wrt/open-wrt 's DNS updaters and > dyndns.org. I would recommend dyndns.org over dynup.net, which is > another provider I've used in the past. From zifferent at yahoo.com Fri Sep 5 09:12:07 2008 From: zifferent at yahoo.com (Dan DeSloover) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 09:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon Beer Brewing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3926.12.107.188.130.1220620327.squirrel@www.zifferent.net> As I was planning on doing a science of brewing panel, it might be neat to get together with you all to and we can all put this together. But forgive me because I need to clear up a couple things about your post. The Pilsner and the Schwartzbier are actually both lagers and hence need to be kept in refrigeration (beetween 55 and 60 degrees) for the PRIMARY fermentation, and the that usually takes about 3 weeks. Also depending on the yeast used and particularly in the Pilsner you'll want a short (three day) diacetyl rest (google it) to burn off diacetyl (cabbage-like off-flavor) before you secondary. Honestly, I've had great results doing my secondary in-bottle in the refrigerator after a couple-weeks of in-bottle conditioning, but a keg secondary (slowly lower down to just above 32 degrees, note: regular unmodified refrigerators will not do this) would work also. Perhaps you meant Altbeir instead of Schwarzbeir? That having been said there are easy and hard styles of brew to make. All of the ones on your list are more difficult with the possible exception of the wheat, although with the wheat flocculation can be problematic, and wheats are better very fresh because of the suspended yeast. Ales are easier and you could do something like an IPA, an Amber and Kolsh (a golden colored, clean flavored German ale, more like the Pilsner)? I apologize again for my forwardness, I've become something of a beer geek. Clay Dowling wrote: > At the last meeting we talked about plans for the room party next year at > Penguicon. Instead of buying beer it occurred to us that we could brew > it, which would be completely in keeping with the open source conference > idea. > > Last year we went through 15 gallons of beer. My brewing setup is capable > of brewing 5 finished gallons at a time, which would mean three brewing > sessions. I figure to make the brewing a group event (or events) at my > house. > > The current beer plan: > > 1. Czech Pilsner - The original golden beer. Light in color, strong in > flavor. The best commercial example is Czechvar, which many grocery > stores are now carrying. Sapporo is also in this style. > > 2. Scottish Wee Heavy - similar to the beer we drank last year. Expect > this stuff to wreck your head and your guts the next day if you drink > unwisely. > > 3a. Schwarzbier - A dark german ale. My recipe is good with chocolate, > and if we make this we should form a partnership with the chocolate/fudge > people. > > 3b. Heffewiezen - Similar to Schwarzbier, but light in color. There are a > lot of variations in flavor, but my recipe is pretty mellow and eminently > drinkable. > > A choice would have to be made between 3a and 3b (at least in theory). > > The pilsner needs to be brewed first, and soon, because it needs a few > months in a refrigerator for proper secondary fermentation. > > I propose either the 13th or 20th of September for the first brewing party > at my house. You do not need to know anything about brewing to > participate, you'll learn as we go, and you'll be a better brew-monkey for > the next session. If we can round up a couple of people and some > equipment I'm not opposed to expanding the beer offering (e.g. we make > both 3a and 3b) by brewing a couple of batches at each brew session. > > > Post a note on the list or contact me via email if you're interested in > helping out. > > Clay > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > ---- Dan DeSloover O Lord, grant that we may always be right, for Thou knowest we will never change our minds. From mortel at cyber-nos.com Fri Sep 5 09:41:57 2008 From: mortel at cyber-nos.com (Stanley C. Mortel) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 09:41:57 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon Beer Brewing Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.1.20080905094149.00c50e48@pop.cyber-nos.com> Sounds like we have a volunteer for the brewing party. ;-) Clay, what equipment do you need? At 09:12 AM 9/5/2008 -0400, you wrote: >As I was planning on doing a science of brewing panel, it might be neat to >get together with you all to and we can all put this together. > >But forgive me because I need to clear up a couple things about your post. > >The Pilsner and the Schwartzbier are actually both lagers and hence need >to be kept in refrigeration (beetween 55 and 60 degrees) for the PRIMARY >fermentation, and the that usually takes about 3 weeks. Also depending on >the yeast used and particularly in the Pilsner you'll want a short (three >day) diacetyl rest (google it) to burn off diacetyl (cabbage-like >off-flavor) before you secondary. Honestly, I've had great results doing >my secondary in-bottle in the refrigerator after a couple-weeks of >in-bottle conditioning, but a keg secondary (slowly lower down to just >above 32 degrees, note: regular unmodified refrigerators will not do this) >would work also. > >Perhaps you meant Altbeir instead of Schwarzbeir? > >That having been said there are easy and hard styles of brew to make. All >of the ones on your list are more difficult with the possible exception of >the wheat, although with the wheat flocculation can be problematic, and >wheats are better very fresh because of the suspended yeast. > >Ales are easier and you could do something like an IPA, an Amber and Kolsh >(a golden colored, clean flavored German ale, more like the Pilsner)? > >I apologize again for my forwardness, I've become something of a beer geek. > >Clay Dowling wrote: > > At the last meeting we talked about plans for the room party next year at > > Penguicon. Instead of buying beer it occurred to us that we could brew > > it, which would be completely in keeping with the open source conference > > idea. > > > > Last year we went through 15 gallons of beer. My brewing setup is capable > > of brewing 5 finished gallons at a time, which would mean three brewing > > sessions. I figure to make the brewing a group event (or events) at my > > house. > > > > The current beer plan: > > > > 1. Czech Pilsner - The original golden beer. Light in color, strong in > > flavor. The best commercial example is Czechvar, which many grocery > > stores are now carrying. Sapporo is also in this style. > > > > 2. Scottish Wee Heavy - similar to the beer we drank last year. Expect > > this stuff to wreck your head and your guts the next day if you drink > > unwisely. > > > > 3a. Schwarzbier - A dark german ale. My recipe is good with chocolate, > > and if we make this we should form a partnership with the chocolate/fudge > > people. > > > > 3b. Heffewiezen - Similar to Schwarzbier, but light in color. There are a > > lot of variations in flavor, but my recipe is pretty mellow and eminently > > drinkable. > > > > A choice would have to be made between 3a and 3b (at least in theory). > > > > The pilsner needs to be brewed first, and soon, because it needs a few > > months in a refrigerator for proper secondary fermentation. > > > > I propose either the 13th or 20th of September for the first brewing party > > at my house. You do not need to know anything about brewing to > > participate, you'll learn as we go, and you'll be a better brew-monkey for > > the next session. If we can round up a couple of people and some > > equipment I'm not opposed to expanding the beer offering (e.g. we make > > both 3a and 3b) by brewing a couple of batches at each brew session. > > > > > > Post a note on the list or contact me via email if you're interested in > > helping out. > > > > Clay > > _______________________________________________ > > linux-user mailing list > > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > > > >---- >Dan DeSloover >O Lord, grant that we may always be right, for Thou knowest we will >never change our minds. > >_______________________________________________ >linux-user mailing list >linux-user at egr.msu.edu >http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > **************************** Stan Mortel mortel at cyber-nos.com **************************** From clay at lazarusid.com Fri Sep 5 15:20:59 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:20:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon Beer Brewing In-Reply-To: <3926.12.107.188.130.1220620327.squirrel@www.zifferent.net> References: <3926.12.107.188.130.1220620327.squirrel@www.zifferent.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Sep 2008, Dan DeSloover wrote: > Perhaps you meant Altbeir instead of Schwarzbeir? Indeed, I did, and thank you for the correction. I wrote my post without reference to my brewing notebook, and I have sadly been out of it for about two years. > That having been said there are easy and hard styles of brew to make. All > of the ones on your list are more difficult with the possible exception of > the wheat, although with the wheat flocculation can be problematic, and > wheats are better very fresh because of the suspended yeast. I would definitely welcome your input, and if you wanted to come out to our brew sessions that would be great. I know just enough to be dangerous, so a more experienced hand to offer some guidance and catch the stupid mistakes would be good. > Ales are easier and you could do something like an IPA, an Amber and Kolsh > (a golden colored, clean flavored German ale, more like the Pilsner)? Kolsh might be workable. I have a problem brewing a beer I won't drink, and I won't drink an IPA. I find that chewing on the hops flowers directly has the same effect and takes considerably less effort. The Amber recipe that I use is very good, but we would be going head to head with the Rochester Red that the con serves, and I don't see any point in duplicating effort. Especially since mine probably won't be as good, owing to the inferior brewer. Clay From zifferent at yahoo.com Fri Sep 5 16:42:32 2008 From: zifferent at yahoo.com (Dan DeSloover) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon Beer Brewing In-Reply-To: References: <3926.12.107.188.130.1220620327.squirrel@www.zifferent.net> Message-ID: <1805.12.107.188.130.1220647352.squirrel@www.zifferent.net> Clay Dowling wrote: > On Fri, 5 Sep 2008, Dan DeSloover wrote: > > I would definitely welcome your input, and if you wanted to come out to > our brew sessions that would be great. I'd love to. I'll have to find some time. > I know just enough to be > dangerous, so a more experienced hand to offer some guidance and catch the > stupid mistakes would be good. I hope you are unaware that most of my knowledge is either book knowledge; stuff gleaned off of people that own a brew kit (I'm working on it), or from my own experimentation on the fermentation side of the equation. >> Ales are easier and you could do something like an IPA, an Amber and >> Kolsh >> (a golden colored, clean flavored German ale, more like the Pilsner)? > > Kolsh might be workable. I have a problem brewing a beer I won't drink, > and I won't drink an IPA. I find that chewing on the hops flowers > directly has the same effect and takes considerably less effort. > >The > Amber recipe that I use is very good, but we would be going head to head > with the Rochester Red that the con serves, and I don't see any point in > duplicating effort. Especially since mine probably won't be as good, > owing to the inferior brewer. One of my personal favorites is cider. And it's dead simple to make. A cider/mead put down in the next few months will be ready by May. > Clay > ---- Dan DeSloover O Lord, grant that we may always be right, for Thou knowest we will never change our minds. From rexykik at gmail.com Sat Sep 6 12:34:23 2008 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 12:34:23 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Free OSX 10.2 Jag In-Reply-To: <12df8d4f0809051641j37dbb692teaa179a3a0bd9cca@mail.gmail.com> References: <984d708a0809031556j4a8774fcx7ad0fde40709fbf@mail.gmail.com> <12df8d4f0809051641j37dbb692teaa179a3a0bd9cca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <984d708a0809060934r415402e5o4d788479cb72dd9b@mail.gmail.com> They got pitched; sorry. On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Peter Smith wrote: > S'what I get for not checking mail every day. I could use 2 copies for > experimentation, if you managed to decide to go back 'just in case'. > If not, c'est la vie. > From mlachniet at analysts.com Mon Sep 8 16:17:29 2008 From: mlachniet at analysts.com (Lachniet, Mark) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 16:17:29 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Recommendation for a good online MMORPG / Strategy game? In-Reply-To: <1805.12.107.188.130.1220647352.squirrel@www.zifferent.net> References: <3926.12.107.188.130.1220620327.squirrel@www.zifferent.net> <1805.12.107.188.130.1220647352.squirrel@www.zifferent.net> Message-ID: <877ACA86E1EAE648BF2D28ADEAA47987FE7948@dtwcoexchmbx2.seqnt.com> Does anyone have a suggestion for a good online RPG - something along the lines of a D&D type game, or like TradeWars, that is either free or low cost? It doesn't have to be super polished as long as there is a good community and the gameplay is good. I've looked at the new TradeWars port, but its not fully baked and I'd like more features. Either SF or fantasy Genre would be fine. I have some out of town friends I'd like to play with. Thanks, Mark Lachniet From msg at msu.edu Mon Sep 8 16:33:56 2008 From: msg at msu.edu (Mike) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:33:56 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Recommendation for a good online MMORPG / Strategy game? In-Reply-To: <877ACA86E1EAE648BF2D28ADEAA47987FE7948@dtwcoexchmbx2.seqnt.com> References: <3926.12.107.188.130.1220620327.squirrel@www.zifferent.net> <1805.12.107.188.130.1220647352.squirrel@www.zifferent.net> <877ACA86E1EAE648BF2D28ADEAA47987FE7948@dtwcoexchmbx2.seqnt.com> Message-ID: <48C58C34.9010108@msu.edu> Mark, I play a game called "Jedi Knight 3: Jedi Academy". And some people keep telling me that the MovieBattles2 mod for JK is very good. It's Internet multiplayer ... I don't know if its your kind of multiplayer game. Links: http://www.moviebattles.com/ -Mike Lachniet, Mark wrote: > Does anyone have a suggestion for a good online RPG - something along > the lines of a D&D type game, or like TradeWars, that is either free or > low cost? It doesn't have to be super polished as long as there is a > good community and the gameplay is good. I've looked at the new > TradeWars port, but its not fully baked and I'd like more features. > Either SF or fantasy Genre would be fine. I have some out of town > friends I'd like to play with. > > Thanks, > > Mark Lachniet From c.e.tower at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 16:51:52 2008 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:51:52 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Recommendation for a good online MMORPG / Strategy game? In-Reply-To: <877ACA86E1EAE648BF2D28ADEAA47987FE7948@dtwcoexchmbx2.seqnt.com> References: <3926.12.107.188.130.1220620327.squirrel@www.zifferent.net> <1805.12.107.188.130.1220647352.squirrel@www.zifferent.net> <877ACA86E1EAE648BF2D28ADEAA47987FE7948@dtwcoexchmbx2.seqnt.com> Message-ID: <48C59068.20900@gmail.com> Must be something here to suit you. http://clusty.com/search?query=free%20mmo&tb=homepage&v%3Asources=Web Chick Lachniet, Mark wrote: > Does anyone have a suggestion for a good online RPG - something along > the lines of a D&D type game, or like TradeWars, that is either free or > low cost? From szumlins at mac.com Mon Sep 8 17:10:15 2008 From: szumlins at mac.com (Mike Szumlinski) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 17:10:15 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Recommendation for a good online MMORPG / Strategy game? In-Reply-To: <48C59068.20900@gmail.com> References: <3926.12.107.188.130.1220620327.squirrel@www.zifferent.net> <1805.12.107.188.130.1220647352.squirrel@www.zifferent.net> <877ACA86E1EAE648BF2D28ADEAA47987FE7948@dtwcoexchmbx2.seqnt.com> <48C59068.20900@gmail.com> Message-ID: http://www.brainchef.com Braaaiiiinnnsss On Sep 8, 2008, at 4:51 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > Must be something here to suit you. > > http://clusty.com/search?query=free%20mmo&tb=homepage&v%3Asources=Web > > Chick > > > Lachniet, Mark wrote: >> Does anyone have a suggestion for a good online RPG - something along >> the lines of a D&D type game, or like TradeWars, that is either >> free or >> low cost? > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From mortel at cyber-nos.com Wed Sep 10 09:29:21 2008 From: mortel at cyber-nos.com (Stanley C. Mortel) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:29:21 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Hacker video Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.1.20080910092823.00c1b418@pop.cyber-nos.com> Interesting to watch. About the teenagers who hacked into the network at Andrews Air Force Base. http://vimeo.com/1179948?pg=embed&sec=1179948 **************************** Stan Mortel mortel at cyber-nos.com **************************** From clay at lazarusid.com Thu Sep 11 15:05:20 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:05:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Brewing Day Message-ID: I've declared September 20th brewing day for the first batch of GLLUG beer. Meet at my house sometime after 11 in the morning. I'll start setting equipment up around then, and we'll probably start the actual brew around 12. Figure it to take about 4 hours by the time we're done. There will be something for food, probably chili or mac and cheese (home made, no funny orange powder). And we brew rain or shine. Weather just affects whether we do it in my garage or by my shed. Anybody wanting to drink beer should bring their own, as this beer won't be ready until sometime around the new year. Address: 5390 River Ridge Drive Flushing, MI 48433 Phone: 810-869-4390 Clay From mlachniet at analysts.com Fri Sep 12 08:47:43 2008 From: mlachniet at analysts.com (Lachniet, Mark) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:47:43 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Recommendation for a good online MMORPG / Strategy game? In-Reply-To: <48C59068.20900@gmail.com> References: <3926.12.107.188.130.1220620327.squirrel@www.zifferent.net> <1805.12.107.188.130.1220647352.squirrel@www.zifferent.net> <877ACA86E1EAE648BF2D28ADEAA47987FE7948@dtwcoexchmbx2.seqnt.com> <48C59068.20900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <877ACA86E1EAE648BF2D28ADEAA47987FE7D06@dtwcoexchmbx2.seqnt.com> Thanks for the suggestions! -----Original Message----- From: Chick Tower [mailto:c.e.tower at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 4:52 PM To: Lachniet, Mark Cc: linux-user at egr.msu.edu Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Recommendation for a good online MMORPG / Strategy game? Must be something here to suit you. http://clusty.com/search?query=free%20mmo&tb=homepage&v%3Asources=Web Chick Lachniet, Mark wrote: > Does anyone have a suggestion for a good online RPG - something along > the lines of a D&D type game, or like TradeWars, that is either free > or low cost? From c.e.tower at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 15:58:59 2008 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:58:59 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] New Weekly Meeting Site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48CEBE83.5000606@gmail.com> Arrangements have been made to hold our weekly meetings in the third-floor conference room of the downtown Lansing branch of the public library, beginning September 18th. The library is located at the corner of Capitol and Kalamazoo, and Capitol Avenue is one-way southbound there. You may find directions to the library at its website, http://www.cadl.org. The conference room is directly to the left of the elevator when you get off. Because the rest of the floor is administrative offices, we will not have access to bathrooms without going downstairs to the second floor or the basement. It is very important the room be vacated not later than 8:45 p.m., since the library closes at 9:00 p.m. The first person there for the meeting should ask at the Information Desk on the first floor for someone to unlock the room for us. Chick From charles at bityard.net Mon Sep 15 17:41:14 2008 From: charles at bityard.net (Charles Ulrich) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:41:14 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] New Weekly Meeting Site In-Reply-To: <48CEBE83.5000606@gmail.com> References: <48CEBE83.5000606@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8e690af80809151441i4577a43cmcc728f4ce21c20a8@mail.gmail.com> Very cool! On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > Arrangements have been made to hold our weekly meetings in the > third-floor conference room of the downtown Lansing branch of the public > library, beginning September 18th. The library is located at the corner > of Capitol and Kalamazoo, and Capitol Avenue is one-way southbound > there. You may find directions to the library at its website, > http://www.cadl.org. > > The conference room is directly to the left of the elevator when you get > off. Because the rest of the floor is administrative offices, we will > not have access to bathrooms without going downstairs to the second > floor or the basement. It is very important the room be vacated not > later than 8:45 p.m., since the library closes at 9:00 p.m. > > The first person there for the meeting should ask at the Information > Desk on the first floor for someone to unlock the room for us. > > > Chick > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From c.e.tower at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 22:36:40 2008 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:36:40 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] New Weekly Meeting Site In-Reply-To: <8e690af80809151441i4577a43cmcc728f4ce21c20a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <48CEBE83.5000606@gmail.com> <8e690af80809151441i4577a43cmcc728f4ce21c20a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48CF1BB8.4000404@gmail.com> Perhaps we should wait until we see the room before making hasty judgments. :) Chick Charles Ulrich wrote: > Very cool! > > On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Chick Tower wrote: >> Arrangements have been made to hold our weekly meetings in the >> third-floor conference room of the downtown Lansing branch of the public >> library, beginning September 18th.... From george at idealso.com Tue Sep 16 08:09:53 2008 From: george at idealso.com (Michael George) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] Sparrow Health System Message-ID: <860f7cae58679f206e00fcd6b0065e05.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> I noticed a job posting for "UNIX Administrator - Senior" that's looking for *nix admin experience as well as DB management and C/C++ programming experience. It looks like an interesting job and I'm wondering if anyone here knows, first or second (or more) hand what it's like to work for Sparrow. Thanks! -Michael From sjsayers93 at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 07:07:28 2008 From: sjsayers93 at gmail.com (Steven Sayers) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:07:28 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] New Weekly Meeting Site In-Reply-To: <48CF1BB8.4000404@gmail.com> References: <48CEBE83.5000606@gmail.com> <8e690af80809151441i4577a43cmcc728f4ce21c20a8@mail.gmail.com> <48CF1BB8.4000404@gmail.com> Message-ID: So is this effective tomorrow or where is this weeks meeting spot? On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 10:36 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > Perhaps we should wait until we see the room before making hasty > judgments. :) > > Chick > > > Charles Ulrich wrote: > > Very cool! > > > > On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Chick Tower > wrote: > >> Arrangements have been made to hold our weekly meetings in the > >> third-floor conference room of the downtown Lansing branch of the public > >> library, beginning September 18th.... > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20080917/a8b4993c/attachment.html From clay at lazarusid.com Wed Sep 17 08:23:24 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:23:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] New Weekly Meeting Site In-Reply-To: References: <48CEBE83.5000606@gmail.com> <8e690af80809151441i4577a43cmcc728f4ce21c20a8@mail.gmail.com> <48CF1BB8.4000404@gmail.com> Message-ID: Tomorrow we will be meeting at the library. Clay On Wed, 17 Sep 2008, Steven Sayers wrote: > So is this effective tomorrow or where is this weeks meeting spot? > > On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 10:36 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > >> Perhaps we should wait until we see the room before making hasty >> judgments. :) >> >> Chick >> >> >> Charles Ulrich wrote: >>> Very cool! >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Chick Tower >> wrote: >>>> Arrangements have been made to hold our weekly meetings in the >>>> third-floor conference room of the downtown Lansing branch of the public >>>> library, beginning September 18th.... >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> > From clay at lazarusid.com Wed Sep 17 08:24:56 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:24:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Brewing Day Message-ID: How many people are coming for Beer Brewing Day? I'd like a rough count so I know how much food to have prepared. Clay From mlachniet at analysts.com Wed Sep 17 12:00:11 2008 From: mlachniet at analysts.com (Lachniet, Mark) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:00:11 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Brewing Day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <877ACA86E1EAE648BF2D28ADEAA47987FE810C@dtwcoexchmbx2.seqnt.com> I won't be able to attend, but I think its a great idea. Open source and Beer are in my top 5 all time favorite things in life. Lets not discuss the other 3. I'd be willing to pitch in a 6-pack or two of home-made IPA or Pilsner for the brewfest attendees if someone wants to swing by my house and grab them. Anything to support the cause. Mark Lachniet -----Original Message----- From: linux-user-bounces at egr.msu.edu [mailto:linux-user-bounces at egr.msu.edu] On Behalf Of Clay Dowling Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 8:25 AM To: linux-user at egr.msu.edu Subject: [GLLUG] Brewing Day How many people are coming for Beer Brewing Day? I'd like a rough count so I know how much food to have prepared. Clay _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user at egr.msu.edu http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From c.e.tower at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 23:53:15 2008 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:53:15 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] New Weekly Meeting Site In-Reply-To: <8e690af80809151441i4577a43cmcc728f4ce21c20a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <48CEBE83.5000606@gmail.com> <8e690af80809151441i4577a43cmcc728f4ce21c20a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D1D0AB.8080802@gmail.com> I forgot to mention that you should plan to eat either before or after Thursday's meeting, because the library only allows "light refreshments" in the conference room, whatever that means. I'm sure pizza and sandwiches don't qualify, though. Chick From currentlyunnameddj at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 01:17:29 2008 From: currentlyunnameddj at gmail.com (Ariel Lonchar) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:17:29 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] New Weekly Meeting Site In-Reply-To: <48D1D0AB.8080802@gmail.com> References: <48CEBE83.5000606@gmail.com> <8e690af80809151441i4577a43cmcc728f4ce21c20a8@mail.gmail.com> <48D1D0AB.8080802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <93f068b10809172217v756e10b8tdad3d33d89157efb@mail.gmail.com> Just a note, from someone who gets stuck wandering that area often, what with working at our new meeting place and all: If you want a lot of choices for food, you need to eat beforehand. Mediteran closes at 8:30pm, everything except for the bars/Chinese place/and I think the Burrito place close around 4-5pm. Had to get dinner on Monday at 6pm, so learned as I walked to closed restaurant after closed restaurant. The Chinese place by Ted-Dee's is open until 10, and I do vouch for the quality of the food. It's not that expensive, either. The Triple Garlic platter is enough for two-three people (beef, chicken and shrimp, with LOTS of vegetables) (if you eat like I do. If you eat like Marshal, then it's enough for just yourself). Mediteran is tasty and moderately priced. Their desserts are to die for. Doesn't seem to be set for group outings, but I only saw the front of it at lunchtime, so I don't know for sure. I had their spinach and cheese pie, the bean soup, and a slice of key lime pie. Decker Coffee is good for pumpkin lattes. Haven't had anything else of theirs, but considering I have a half hour of free time before I am scheduled to start every single day I work (gorram bus system), I'll probably be frequenting it, since it's not enough time to hop a bus to Gone Wired. The Daily Bagel makes a mean corned beef and swiss on rye. Got it before going to work a week ago, for a snack on my break. They close early though. Haven't tried any of the bars, but that's because I'd be tempted for a liquid lunch/dinner, and that tends to be frowned upon... Hope this helps! ~A~ On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > I forgot to mention that you should plan to eat either before or after > Thursday's meeting, because the library only allows "light refreshments" > in the conference room, whatever that means. I'm sure pizza and > sandwiches don't qualify, though. > > Chick > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20080918/b6904e1f/attachment.html From picasso at madflower.com Thu Sep 18 11:10:54 2008 From: picasso at madflower.com (Sean O'Malley) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] New Weekly Meeting Site In-Reply-To: <48D1D0AB.8080802@gmail.com> Message-ID: They must mean bud light, miller light, amstel light... :) On Wed, 17 Sep 2008, Chick Tower wrote: > I forgot to mention that you should plan to eat either before or after > Thursday's meeting, because the library only allows "light refreshments" > in the conference room, whatever that means. I'm sure pizza and > sandwiches don't qualify, though. > > Chick > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From msg at msu.edu Thu Sep 18 11:40:05 2008 From: msg at msu.edu (Mike) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:40:05 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] New Weekly Meeting Site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48D27655.9020901@msu.edu> When they were referring to heavy stuff, they probably meant Cappuccino, Espresso macchiato, and Pure Concentrated Ginseng Tea. :) Sean O'Malley wrote: > They must mean bud light, miller light, amstel light... > :) > > On Wed, 17 Sep 2008, Chick Tower wrote: > >> I forgot to mention that you should plan to eat either before or after >> Thursday's meeting, because the library only allows "light refreshments" >> in the conference room, whatever that means. I'm sure pizza and >> sandwiches don't qualify, though. >> >> Chick >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From picasso at madflower.com Thu Sep 18 18:38:10 2008 From: picasso at madflower.com (Sean O'Malley) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] c++ help sanitizing In-Reply-To: <48D27655.9020901@msu.edu> Message-ID: This is probably offtopic but.. Is there a library in c++ that will sanitize a string for use with an system()/exec() call to the windows command prompt so it can be passed as a string without being interpreted by the command shell thing. Im not wishing to reinvent the wheel with this. ie where string = \"^"&&!|>2aA ./mybatfile.bat "%string%" Fails miserably. Sean From clay at lazarusid.com Fri Sep 19 15:23:53 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:23:53 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] c++ help sanitizing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48D3FC49.5080106@lazarusid.com> Sean O'Malley wrote: > This is probably offtopic but.. > Is there a library in c++ that will sanitize a string for use with an > system()/exec() call to the windows command prompt so it can be passed as > a string without being interpreted by the command shell thing. Im not > wishing to reinvent the wheel with this. system() is a troublesome function and will probably cause you trouble. Try instead some things from the exec() family of functions, which recognize discrete parameters. Or WinExec, since you look like you're on that platform. Clay From msg at msu.edu Fri Sep 19 15:49:27 2008 From: msg at msu.edu (Mike) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:49:27 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] c++ help sanitizing In-Reply-To: <48D3FC49.5080106@lazarusid.com> References: <48D3FC49.5080106@lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <48D40247.2030508@msu.edu> I think the system() function is a standard C (ISO 89, 99) function that always uses the shell, (cmd.exe, bash, ). I'd think it'd be better to use CreateProcess() or something, that doesn't use the shell at all. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms682425.aspx Don't use WinExec(). It's only for 16-bit apps, so it's kinda deprecated. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms687393(VS.85).aspx I may be wrong, but... how about sanitizing each argument that goes into the command? If a path has a space in it, it usually needs to be quoted to be an argument--that may apply to the EXE to run too. If a path doesn't point to a valid file or directory, that's a problem. If it's on Windows, maybe backslashes are needed. On Linux... forward slashes. Clay Dowling wrote: > Sean O'Malley wrote: >> This is probably offtopic but.. >> Is there a library in c++ that will sanitize a string for use with an >> system()/exec() call to the windows command prompt so it can be passed as >> a string without being interpreted by the command shell thing. Im not >> wishing to reinvent the wheel with this. > > system() is a troublesome function and will probably cause you trouble. > Try instead some things from the exec() family of functions, which > recognize discrete parameters. Or WinExec, since you look like you're > on that platform. > > Clay > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From clay at lazarusid.com Fri Sep 19 16:06:17 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:06:17 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Brewing Day Directions Message-ID: <48D40639.4020208@lazarusid.com> Right now it looks like just Charles is coming to help brew. Anybody else interested, pop a note to the list. Directions to Clay's House, from Lansing: 69 East to Exit 23 for M-13/Saginaw. M-13 8 miles north (right turn as you come off the ramp) to Henderson Road (big green sign on the left). Turn right immediately after the Henderson Road sign. The actual road you turn onto will be called Coldwater Road, but if you went the other way it would be called Henderson (welcome to the joys of the county line). Follow Coldwater east for about five miles, until just before it ends. Turn Right onto Maura Drive (into the subdivision). Take an immediate left onto River Ridge drive. Follow River Ridge around to #5390, on the east side of the street (probably your left). For those who like maps: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=5390+River+Ridge+Drive,+Flushing+MI&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.197878,73.300781&ie=UTF8&z=16&iwloc=addr If you get yourself lost and need my to guide you in, you can call 810-869-4390 Clay From clay at lazarusid.com Fri Sep 19 16:11:33 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:11:33 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] c++ help sanitizing In-Reply-To: <48D40247.2030508@msu.edu> References: <48D3FC49.5080106@lazarusid.com> <48D40247.2030508@msu.edu> Message-ID: <48D40775.6050907@lazarusid.com> Mike wrote: > I think the system() function is a standard C (ISO 89, 99) function that > always uses the shell, (cmd.exe, bash, ). > > I'd think it'd be better to use CreateProcess() or something, that > doesn't use the shell at all. > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms682425.aspx You're right, I meant CreateProcess. msdn is definitely the right place to look for code examples. Okay, I'm off to buy beer ingredients. Clay From clay at lazarusid.com Fri Sep 19 23:16:11 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 23:16:11 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Brewing Day Time Message-ID: <48D46AFB.7010002@lazarusid.com> Brewing is currently planned to start around 11 am. You'll probably want to be here around then. That should have us done brewing around 4, which would include pitching the yeast (final step). Clay From clay at lazarusid.com Sun Sep 21 09:28:53 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:28:53 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Czech Pilsner brewing Message-ID: <48D64C15.6020502@lazarusid.com> Nobody was able to make it yesterday to brew the pilsner, so after I fixed myself a fantastic lunch I started, about two hours later than I had planned. I had some new equipment in this brew that I hadn't used before, and that made for some learning. It was the first all-grain batch that I had brewed on the propane burner, and I ran out of fuel just as I had the water hot enough to start the mash. So I had to make a run to buy more propane. For future reference, it takes about 2/3 of a tank of propane. I had also forgotten that there is a major hops shortage right now, so at the home brew stores it's catch as catch can for hops. There was no Saaz or Perle hops to be had. I had stocks of these that were vacuum sealed and in the freezer for the last year, but I would have felt better about things if I had been able to brew with fresh stock. In the end though the beer smelled right, with that characteristic sharp flavor of pilsner that comes from saaz hops. The beer is currently merrily bubbling away in the primary fermentation in my basement. Normally a lager should start fermentation under refrigeration, but the only yeast readily available to me (i.e. without driving an hour and a half in each direction to get it) was a generic dry lager yeast, and these strains want to do their primary fermentation at 60 degrees to build up the colony. My basement is perfect for that. Next saturday I'll transfer the beer to secondary fermentation in my beer fridge, where it will work at the proper temperatures for lagering. Clay -- Knock Down Desk: From unpacking to fully assembled in 10 minutes http://www.knockdowndesk.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Charles 2008/9/21 Clay Dowling : > Nobody was able to make it yesterday to brew the pilsner, so after I fixed > myself a fantastic lunch I started, about two hours later than I had > planned. > > I had some new equipment in this brew that I hadn't used before, and that > made for some learning. It was the first all-grain batch that I had brewed > on the propane burner, and I ran out of fuel just as I had the water hot > enough to start the mash. So I had to make a run to buy more propane. For > future reference, it takes about 2/3 of a tank of propane. > > I had also forgotten that there is a major hops shortage right now, so at > the home brew stores it's catch as catch can for hops. There was no Saaz or > Perle hops to be had. I had stocks of these that were vacuum sealed and in > the freezer for the last year, but I would have felt better about things if > I had been able to brew with fresh stock. In the end though the beer > smelled right, with that characteristic sharp flavor of pilsner that comes > from saaz hops. > > The beer is currently merrily bubbling away in the primary fermentation in > my basement. Normally a lager should start fermentation under > refrigeration, but the only yeast readily available to me (i.e. without > driving an hour and a half in each direction to get it) was a generic dry > lager yeast, and these strains want to do their primary fermentation at 60 > degrees to build up the colony. My basement is perfect for that. > > Next saturday I'll transfer the beer to secondary fermentation in my beer > fridge, where it will work at the proper temperatures for lagering. > > Clay > > -- > Knock Down Desk: From unpacking to fully assembled in 10 minutes > http://www.knockdowndesk.com > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > From c.e.tower at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 13:25:36 2008 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:25:36 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] New Weekly Meeting Site In-Reply-To: <8e690af80809151441i4577a43cmcc728f4ce21c20a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <48CEBE83.5000606@gmail.com> <8e690af80809151441i4577a43cmcc728f4ce21c20a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D7D510.3080803@gmail.com> Well, the room is nice enough, and quiet, and should be able to hold everyone. I had trouble connecting to the wireless network, though. I tried doing it the way I've done in the past at the library and at Ted-Dee's, but DNS wouldn't work for me. I got an IP address, I saw no errors from the commands I issued, but I had no DNS, and I don't know any IPs I could ping as a test. I took a different, though similar, laptop to the library on Sunday and connected just fine on the second floor, so maybe it's a problem with the third floor. (I guess it could be a sudden problem with a laptop or wireless card that worked fine the last time I used them.) The head librarian did say that another group had network problems in that conference room, but she thought the users determined it was a problem with their application and not the network. If anyone else takes a laptop up there, please let us know if you are able to connect successfully to the CADL wireless network. Since there might not be many library visitors on the third floor trying to connect to their wireless network, they may not know that they have a problem. On a side note, the library seems to have three access points with the same name, CADL Wireless. At least, CADL Wireless shows up three times when I issue the command "iwlist ath0 scan." Does anyone know of a way to specify which of the three I want to connect to using iwconfig? Would "iwconfig ath0 ap {AP number}" do this? Chick Charles Ulrich wrote: > Very cool! > > On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Chick Tower wrote: >> Arrangements have been made to hold our weekly meetings in the >> third-floor conference room of the downtown Lansing branch of the public >> library From psmith.gllug at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 10:00:25 2008 From: psmith.gllug at gmail.com (Peter Smith) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 10:00:25 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] New Weekly Meeting Site In-Reply-To: <48D7D510.3080803@gmail.com> References: <48CEBE83.5000606@gmail.com> <8e690af80809151441i4577a43cmcc728f4ce21c20a8@mail.gmail.com> <48D7D510.3080803@gmail.com> Message-ID: <12df8d4f0809230700j7e04f374y271a8dd94232910d@mail.gmail.com> Did someone make a call to Ted-Dee's and express our gratitude and ongoing lack of attendance there? I meant to ask BEFORE last Thursday, but chaos reigns around here. -- Peter Smith psmith.gllug at gmail.com From emilio.esposito at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 10:29:01 2008 From: emilio.esposito at gmail.com (Emilio Xavier Esposito) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 10:29:01 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] web hosting companies Message-ID: Hi I'm currently looking for a web hosting company for my company's website. Currently my pages are static and there are several files (~100MB each) for people to download. Right now my needs are not very much, but I might need more storage and bandwidth at a later time. I'm mostly concerned with uptime and reliability without having to pay a lot of money. I remember a discussion on this topic a while back on the list but cannot find the related thread. A quick google search for companies turns up several, but I'm looking at all of my options before making a decision. Thank you for you time and advice Emilio From george at idealso.com Tue Sep 23 10:41:49 2008 From: george at idealso.com (Michael George) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 10:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] web hosting companies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You could check with freedombi.com... They are local and very active with GLLUG and Penguicon and all that. On Tue, September 23, 2008 10:29 am, Emilio Xavier Esposito wrote: > Hi > I'm currently looking for a web hosting company for my company's > website. Currently my pages are static and there are several files > (~100MB each) for people to download. Right now my needs are not very > much, but I might need more storage and bandwidth at a later time. > I'm mostly concerned with uptime and reliability without having to pay > a lot of money. > > I remember a discussion on this topic a while back on the list but > cannot find the related thread. A quick google search for companies > turns up several, but I'm looking at all of my options before making a > decision. > > Thank you for you time and advice > Emilio > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -Michael George From clay at lazarusid.com Tue Sep 23 11:34:21 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 10:34:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] web hosting companies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Come to one of our meetings and you can meet a couple of people who sell hosting. Marshal Newrock can tell you about Freedombi's services. I can also sell you hosting on servers just as reliable as Marshal's, depending on what your needs are. Clay On Tue, 23 Sep 2008, Emilio Xavier Esposito wrote: > Hi > I'm currently looking for a web hosting company for my company's > website. Currently my pages are static and there are several files > (~100MB each) for people to download. Right now my needs are not very > much, but I might need more storage and bandwidth at a later time. > I'm mostly concerned with uptime and reliability without having to pay > a lot of money. > > I remember a discussion on this topic a while back on the list but > cannot find the related thread. A quick google search for companies > turns up several, but I'm looking at all of my options before making a > decision. > > Thank you for you time and advice > Emilio > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From marshal at freedombi.com Tue Sep 23 11:35:44 2008 From: marshal at freedombi.com (Marshal Newrock) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:35:44 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] web hosting companies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080923113544.33082c85@osiris> I would agree with this. :) Feel free to email or call me, and we can talk about what you need. - Marshal Newrock On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 10:41:49 -0400 (EDT) "Michael George" wrote: > You could check with freedombi.com... They are local and very active > with GLLUG and Penguicon and all that. > > On Tue, September 23, 2008 10:29 am, Emilio Xavier Esposito wrote: > > Hi > > I'm currently looking for a web hosting company for my company's > > website. Currently my pages are static and there are several files > > (~100MB each) for people to download. Right now my needs are not > > very much, but I might need more storage and bandwidth at a later > > time. I'm mostly concerned with uptime and reliability without > > having to pay a lot of money. > > > > I remember a discussion on this topic a while back on the list but > > cannot find the related thread. A quick google search for companies > > turns up several, but I'm looking at all of my options before > > making a decision. -- Marshal Newrock 517-679-0699 x223 FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And for the record, I approached Ted about this, he did not raise the issue with us. Clay On Tue, 23 Sep 2008, Peter Smith wrote: > Did someone make a call to Ted-Dee's and express our gratitude and > ongoing lack of attendance there? I meant to ask BEFORE last Thursday, > but chaos reigns around here. > > From nathan at 7hartleys.org Tue Sep 23 10:51:57 2008 From: nathan at 7hartleys.org (Nathan Hartley) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 10:51:57 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] web hosting companies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1f9ec30f0809230751l7711fe0byf2807607449b1ecd@mail.gmail.com> The cheapest I have found is http://www.nomonthlyfees.com/ . I have had a site with them for years; it works, the price is right, but it is similar to buying a computer at Walmart. If you know what you are getting yourself into, the bargain might be worth it. On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Emilio Xavier Esposito wrote: > Hi > I'm currently looking for a web hosting company for my company's > website. Currently my pages are static and there are several files > (~100MB each) for people to download. Right now my needs are not very > much, but I might need more storage and bandwidth at a later time. > I'm mostly concerned with uptime and reliability without having to pay > a lot of money. > > I remember a discussion on this topic a while back on the list but > cannot find the related thread. A quick google search for companies > turns up several, but I'm looking at all of my options before making a > decision. > > Thank you for you time and advice > Emilio > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From b.w.barker at smokejive.net Tue Sep 23 12:44:11 2008 From: b.w.barker at smokejive.net (Brent Barker) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:44:11 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] web hosting companies In-Reply-To: <1f9ec30f0809230751l7711fe0byf2807607449b1ecd@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f9ec30f0809230751l7711fe0byf2807607449b1ecd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a8ddab90809230944u306bea22vcc5ed0adf43cf8e2@mail.gmail.com> I'm using www.nearlyfreespeech.net right now, and it is really nice. Per-megabyte-day storage fees, per-gigabyte bandwidth fees. supports php, mysql, ssh access. 1 cent per day for the mysql, otherwise no flat fees. -brent On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Nathan Hartley wrote: > The cheapest I have found is http://www.nomonthlyfees.com/ . I have > had a site with them for years; it works, the price is right, but it > is similar to buying a computer at Walmart. If you know what you are > getting yourself into, the bargain might be worth it. > > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Emilio Xavier Esposito > wrote: >> Hi >> I'm currently looking for a web hosting company for my company's >> website. Currently my pages are static and there are several files >> (~100MB each) for people to download. Right now my needs are not very >> much, but I might need more storage and bandwidth at a later time. >> I'm mostly concerned with uptime and reliability without having to pay >> a lot of money. >> >> I remember a discussion on this topic a while back on the list but >> cannot find the related thread. A quick google search for companies >> turns up several, but I'm looking at all of my options before making a >> decision. >> >> Thank you for you time and advice >> Emilio >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From msg at msu.edu Tue Sep 23 13:43:51 2008 From: msg at msu.edu (Mike) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:43:51 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] web hosting companies In-Reply-To: <3a8ddab90809230944u306bea22vcc5ed0adf43cf8e2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f9ec30f0809230751l7711fe0byf2807607449b1ecd@mail.gmail.com> <3a8ddab90809230944u306bea22vcc5ed0adf43cf8e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D92AD7.1050402@msu.edu> freehostia.com. I haven't had a lot of inexperience with them. But an account can be free, and the server is up a lot. Brent Barker wrote: > I'm using www.nearlyfreespeech.net right now, and it is really nice. > Per-megabyte-day storage fees, per-gigabyte bandwidth fees. supports > php, mysql, ssh access. 1 cent per day for the mysql, otherwise no > flat fees. > > -brent > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Nathan Hartley wrote: >> The cheapest I have found is http://www.nomonthlyfees.com/ . I have >> had a site with them for years; it works, the price is right, but it >> is similar to buying a computer at Walmart. If you know what you are >> getting yourself into, the bargain might be worth it. >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Emilio Xavier Esposito >> wrote: >>> Hi >>> I'm currently looking for a web hosting company for my company's >>> website. Currently my pages are static and there are several files >>> (~100MB each) for people to download. Right now my needs are not very >>> much, but I might need more storage and bandwidth at a later time. >>> I'm mostly concerned with uptime and reliability without having to pay >>> a lot of money. >>> >>> I remember a discussion on this topic a while back on the list but >>> cannot find the related thread. A quick google search for companies >>> turns up several, but I'm looking at all of my options before making a >>> decision. >>> >>> Thank you for you time and advice >>> Emilio >>> _______________________________________________ >>> linux-user mailing list >>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From george at idealso.com Tue Sep 23 13:50:02 2008 From: george at idealso.com (Michael George) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] web hosting companies In-Reply-To: <48D92AD7.1050402@msu.edu> References: <1f9ec30f0809230751l7711fe0byf2807607449b1ecd@mail.gmail.com> <3a8ddab90809230944u306bea22vcc5ed0adf43cf8e2@mail.gmail.com> <48D92AD7.1050402@msu.edu> Message-ID: <3b81eed5fe55be048092380c9026ca41.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> "the server is up a lot" -- That phrase doesn't fill me with lots-o-confidence... On Tue, September 23, 2008 1:43 pm, Mike wrote: > freehostia.com. I haven't had a lot of inexperience with them. But an > account can be free, and the server is up a lot. > > Brent Barker wrote: >> I'm using www.nearlyfreespeech.net right now, and it is really nice. >> Per-megabyte-day storage fees, per-gigabyte bandwidth fees. supports >> php, mysql, ssh access. 1 cent per day for the mysql, otherwise no >> flat fees. >> >> -brent >> >> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Nathan Hartley >> wrote: >>> The cheapest I have found is http://www.nomonthlyfees.com/ . I have >>> had a site with them for years; it works, the price is right, but it >>> is similar to buying a computer at Walmart. If you know what you are >>> getting yourself into, the bargain might be worth it. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Emilio Xavier Esposito >>> wrote: >>>> Hi >>>> I'm currently looking for a web hosting company for my company's >>>> website. Currently my pages are static and there are several files >>>> (~100MB each) for people to download. Right now my needs are not very >>>> much, but I might need more storage and bandwidth at a later time. >>>> I'm mostly concerned with uptime and reliability without having to pay >>>> a lot of money. >>>> >>>> I remember a discussion on this topic a while back on the list but >>>> cannot find the related thread. A quick google search for companies >>>> turns up several, but I'm looking at all of my options before making a >>>> decision. >>>> >>>> Thank you for you time and advice >>>> Emilio >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> linux-user mailing list >>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> linux-user mailing list >>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -Michael George From david at ramaboo.com Tue Sep 23 15:42:52 2008 From: david at ramaboo.com (David Singer) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:42:52 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] web hosting companies In-Reply-To: <3b81eed5fe55be048092380c9026ca41.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> References: <1f9ec30f0809230751l7711fe0byf2807607449b1ecd@mail.gmail.com> <3a8ddab90809230944u306bea22vcc5ed0adf43cf8e2@mail.gmail.com> <48D92AD7.1050402@msu.edu> <3b81eed5fe55be048092380c9026ca41.squirrel@hq.idealso.com> Message-ID: <80324a260809231242x5d8bb7f8sdad40989736017df@mail.gmail.com> I have several accounts with freedombi.com. If your distributing large files its often best to have 2 hosting accounts. One that gives you the features needed to run your web site (probably not a lot if your using static files) and one thats designed specifically for content distribution like Amazon S3 or Akamai, etc. That way if you get a spike in traffic your web sever isen't overwhelmed because 95% of your bandwidth is though a CDN. -David On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Michael George wrote: > "the server is up a lot" -- That phrase doesn't fill me with > lots-o-confidence... > > On Tue, September 23, 2008 1:43 pm, Mike wrote: >> freehostia.com. I haven't had a lot of inexperience with them. But an >> account can be free, and the server is up a lot. >> >> Brent Barker wrote: >>> I'm using www.nearlyfreespeech.net right now, and it is really nice. >>> Per-megabyte-day storage fees, per-gigabyte bandwidth fees. supports >>> php, mysql, ssh access. 1 cent per day for the mysql, otherwise no >>> flat fees. >>> >>> -brent >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Nathan Hartley >>> wrote: >>>> The cheapest I have found is http://www.nomonthlyfees.com/ . I have >>>> had a site with them for years; it works, the price is right, but it >>>> is similar to buying a computer at Walmart. If you know what you are >>>> getting yourself into, the bargain might be worth it. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Emilio Xavier Esposito >>>> wrote: >>>>> Hi >>>>> I'm currently looking for a web hosting company for my company's >>>>> website. Currently my pages are static and there are several files >>>>> (~100MB each) for people to download. Right now my needs are not very >>>>> much, but I might need more storage and bandwidth at a later time. >>>>> I'm mostly concerned with uptime and reliability without having to pay >>>>> a lot of money. >>>>> >>>>> I remember a discussion on this topic a while back on the list but >>>>> cannot find the related thread. A quick google search for companies >>>>> turns up several, but I'm looking at all of my options before making a >>>>> decision. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you for you time and advice >>>>> Emilio >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> linux-user mailing list >>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> linux-user mailing list >>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> > > > -Michael George > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From eduardo at cesconetto.com Tue Sep 23 23:09:11 2008 From: eduardo at cesconetto.com (Eduardo Cesconetto) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:09:11 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] web hosting companies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1B31EAC0-2CA3-4FA5-8697-211455B6870E@cesconetto.com> I have a hosting business as well, CPanel based, cheap and good, my servers are located in Houston (ThePlanet) and they all survived Ike flawlessly. However, if you want a local datacenter, I would go either wit FreedomBI or Liquidweb FreedomBI is small and more "caring", I can vouch for their talent, but sometimes they sleep on support and uptime. Liquidweb is rock solid on support, but not as "warm and welcoming, almost personal" as FreedomBI. I can provide very cheap caned solutions with 99.998% uptime on all my customers for the last year... ? Eduardo Cesconetto | eduardo at cesconetto.com | (517)507-5966 On Sep 23, 2008, at 10:29 AM, Emilio Xavier Esposito wrote: > Hi > I'm currently looking for a web hosting company for my company's > website. Currently my pages are static and there are several files > (~100MB each) for people to download. Right now my needs are not very > much, but I might need more storage and bandwidth at a later time. > I'm mostly concerned with uptime and reliability without having to pay > a lot of money. > > I remember a discussion on this topic a while back on the list but > cannot find the related thread. A quick google search for companies > turns up several, but I'm looking at all of my options before making a > decision. > > Thank you for you time and advice > Emilio > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From psmith.gllug at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 13:16:16 2008 From: psmith.gllug at gmail.com (Peter Smith) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:16:16 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] New Weekly Meeting Site In-Reply-To: References: <48CEBE83.5000606@gmail.com> <8e690af80809151441i4577a43cmcc728f4ce21c20a8@mail.gmail.com> <48D7D510.3080803@gmail.com> <12df8d4f0809230700j7e04f374y271a8dd94232910d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <12df8d4f0809241016m469b662ib06d7aad6133480b@mail.gmail.com> Kule; I assumed as much, since we did have a Ted-free discussion about such things the last time I was able to make it to a meeting. I just wanted to be sure. :) -- Peter Smith psmith.gllug at gmail.com From c.e.tower at gmail.com Sun Sep 28 19:51:39 2008 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:51:39 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Firefox 3 vs. 2 In-Reply-To: <12df8d4f0809241016m469b662ib06d7aad6133480b@mail.gmail.com> References: <48CEBE83.5000606@gmail.com> <8e690af80809151441i4577a43cmcc728f4ce21c20a8@mail.gmail.com> <48D7D510.3080803@gmail.com> <12df8d4f0809230700j7e04f374y271a8dd94232910d@mail.gmail.com> <12df8d4f0809241016m469b662ib06d7aad6133480b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E0188B.7010003@gmail.com> For those of you who have tried the Firefox 3 versions, how do you like it compared to the versions 2.xx? I'm not interested in test results showing the new version is faster, unless you conducted the tests yourself, or if it feels faster. Does it have new features you like? I'm not just trying to start a conversation. I'm asking before I commit to the new version if it's worth it, and whether or not you can go back. Chick From david at ramaboo.com Sun Sep 28 20:57:35 2008 From: david at ramaboo.com (David Singer) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:57:35 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Firefox 3 vs. 2 In-Reply-To: <48E0188B.7010003@gmail.com> References: <48CEBE83.5000606@gmail.com> <8e690af80809151441i4577a43cmcc728f4ce21c20a8@mail.gmail.com> <48D7D510.3080803@gmail.com> <12df8d4f0809230700j7e04f374y271a8dd94232910d@mail.gmail.com> <12df8d4f0809241016m469b662ib06d7aad6133480b@mail.gmail.com> <48E0188B.7010003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <80324a260809281757x761f22c1j88a42a6934fef0b9@mail.gmail.com> its faster by every measurable standard iv seen. its also more stable from my experience.. but the biggest gain is memory management. it does not leak like ff2 nearly as much. Under linux you can run both versions with very few problems (though not at the same time). i do it all the time to test websites first with 3 then with 2. So far other than plugin compatibility (which is much better now) i see no reason to use ff2 other than to test websites. David On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > For those of you who have tried the Firefox 3 versions, how do you like > it compared to the versions 2.xx? I'm not interested in test results > showing the new version is faster, unless you conducted the tests > yourself, or if it feels faster. Does it have new features you like? > > I'm not just trying to start a conversation. I'm asking before I commit > to the new version if it's worth it, and whether or not you can go back. > > Chick > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From david at ramaboo.com Sun Sep 28 21:07:57 2008 From: david at ramaboo.com (David Singer) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:07:57 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Firefox 3 vs. 2 In-Reply-To: <48E0188B.7010003@gmail.com> References: <48CEBE83.5000606@gmail.com> <8e690af80809151441i4577a43cmcc728f4ce21c20a8@mail.gmail.com> <48D7D510.3080803@gmail.com> <12df8d4f0809230700j7e04f374y271a8dd94232910d@mail.gmail.com> <12df8d4f0809241016m469b662ib06d7aad6133480b@mail.gmail.com> <48E0188B.7010003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <80324a260809281807v2f3080e9l6a58bb712088e3fe@mail.gmail.com> http://developer.mozilla.org/devnews/index.php/2008/07/01/firefox-20015-security-and-stability-update-now-available-for-download/ FF2 support ends mid December 2008. so even if you want to stick with FF2 your time to do so is running out. David On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > For those of you who have tried the Firefox 3 versions, how do you like > it compared to the versions 2.xx? I'm not interested in test results > showing the new version is faster, unless you conducted the tests > yourself, or if it feels faster. Does it have new features you like? > > I'm not just trying to start a conversation. I'm asking before I commit > to the new version if it's worth it, and whether or not you can go back. > > Chick > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From charles at bityard.net Sun Sep 28 22:02:16 2008 From: charles at bityard.net (Charles Ulrich) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 22:02:16 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Firefox 3 vs. 2 In-Reply-To: <48E0188B.7010003@gmail.com> References: <48CEBE83.5000606@gmail.com> <8e690af80809151441i4577a43cmcc728f4ce21c20a8@mail.gmail.com> <48D7D510.3080803@gmail.com> <12df8d4f0809230700j7e04f374y271a8dd94232910d@mail.gmail.com> <12df8d4f0809241016m469b662ib06d7aad6133480b@mail.gmail.com> <48E0188B.7010003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8e690af80809281902x187a62d5ucdae2503be7eb3df@mail.gmail.com> FF3 is indeed much faster than FF2. I ran a beta version on my old Intel Celery laptop with great success, on which FF2 was marginal. Features are mostly the same. One thing I like about FF3 is the so-called Awesome Bar which is really handy once you get used to it. If you need speed, though, Konqueror is the fastest browser on Linux, bar none. (As well as Windows and Mac soon, I hope). Charles On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > For those of you who have tried the Firefox 3 versions, how do you like > it compared to the versions 2.xx? I'm not interested in test results > showing the new version is faster, unless you conducted the tests > yourself, or if it feels faster. Does it have new features you like? > > I'm not just trying to start a conversation. I'm asking before I commit > to the new version if it's worth it, and whether or not you can go back. > > Chick > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From c.e.tower at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 00:07:42 2008 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 23:07:42 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Firefox 3 vs. 2 In-Reply-To: <8e690af80809281902x187a62d5ucdae2503be7eb3df@mail.gmail.com> References: <48CEBE83.5000606@gmail.com> <8e690af80809151441i4577a43cmcc728f4ce21c20a8@mail.gmail.com> <48D7D510.3080803@gmail.com> <12df8d4f0809230700j7e04f374y271a8dd94232910d@mail.gmail.com> <12df8d4f0809241016m469b662ib06d7aad6133480b@mail.gmail.com> <48E0188B.7010003@gmail.com> <8e690af80809281902x187a62d5ucdae2503be7eb3df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E0548E.5080901@gmail.com> I assume you were not considering command-line browsers, but what about Dillo, Kazehekase, Netsurf, and the really-obscure Chimera2? Besides, I've never found Konqueror to be all that fast the few times I've used it as a web browser. I'm satisfied with the speed of Firefox on my desktop PCs. Where I've been looking for fast browsers is on my Pentium2-class laptops with 64MB or 128MB of RAM. Or, lately, for my blazing 2,400 bps connection due to a loud buzzing on my phone line. I doubt a fast browser will make up for that, though. Chick Charles Ulrich wrote: > If you need speed, though, Konqueror is the fastest browser on Linux, > bar none. (As well as Windows and Mac soon, I hope). From sjsayers93 at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 07:23:29 2008 From: sjsayers93 at gmail.com (Steven Sayers) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:23:29 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Firefox 3 vs. 2 In-Reply-To: <48E0548E.5080901@gmail.com> References: <48CEBE83.5000606@gmail.com> <8e690af80809151441i4577a43cmcc728f4ce21c20a8@mail.gmail.com> <48D7D510.3080803@gmail.com> <12df8d4f0809230700j7e04f374y271a8dd94232910d@mail.gmail.com> <12df8d4f0809241016m469b662ib06d7aad6133480b@mail.gmail.com> <48E0188B.7010003@gmail.com> <8e690af80809281902x187a62d5ucdae2503be7eb3df@mail.gmail.com> <48E0548E.5080901@gmail.com> Message-ID: My favorite part of FF3 is the new URL search tool that catalogs all your history and lets you search by site title and not URL. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Chick Tower wrote: > I assume you were not considering command-line browsers, but what about > Dillo, Kazehekase, Netsurf, and the really-obscure Chimera2? Besides, > I've never found Konqueror to be all that fast the few times I've used > it as a web browser. > > I'm satisfied with the speed of Firefox on my desktop PCs. Where I've > been looking for fast browsers is on my Pentium2-class laptops with 64MB > or 128MB of RAM. Or, lately, for my blazing 2,400 bps connection due to > a loud buzzing on my phone line. I doubt a fast browser will make up > for that, though. > > Chick > > > Charles Ulrich wrote: > > If you need speed, though, Konqueror is the fastest browser on Linux, > > bar none. (As well as Windows and Mac soon, I hope). > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20080929/f16bdec1/attachment.html From mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Mon Sep 29 08:00:09 2008 From: mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us (Mike Rambo) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:00:09 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Firefox 3 vs. 2 In-Reply-To: <8e690af80809281902x187a62d5ucdae2503be7eb3df@mail.gmail.com> References: <48CEBE83.5000606@gmail.com> <8e690af80809151441i4577a43cmcc728f4ce21c20a8@mail.gmail.com> <48D7D510.3080803@gmail.com> <12df8d4f0809230700j7e04f374y271a8dd94232910d@mail.gmail.com> <12df8d4f0809241016m469b662ib06d7aad6133480b@mail.gmail.com> <48E0188B.7010003@gmail.com> <8e690af80809281902x187a62d5ucdae2503be7eb3df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080929080009.51e6d2ed@mrambo.imcdomain.local> On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 22:02:16 -0400 "Charles Ulrich" wrote: > FF3 is indeed much faster than FF2. I ran a beta version on my old > Intel Celery laptop with great success, on which FF2 was marginal. > Features are mostly the same. One thing I like about FF3 is the > so-called Awesome Bar which is really handy once you get used to it. > It's interesting how different peoples tastes are. The "awesome bar" is the single biggest thing I _dislike_ about ff3. I find it quite ugly and tremendously annoying. ff3 does indeed seem to be faster than ff2 but the behavior of the address bar would be enough to keep me from using it at all. Fortunately the appearance and the majority of the behavior can be returned to that of ff2 through plugins and configurations. To bad those hoops have to be jumped through at all. > If you need speed, though, Konqueror is the fastest browser on Linux, > bar none. (As well as Windows and Mac soon, I hope). > Well, second fastest (graphical browser) IMO. I find Opera to be the hands down speed winner. It has long been my main browser though I also use Konqueror and FF2 daily. I'm becoming much more open to a replacement however since Opera has botched up the address bar function very similar to FF3 but without a similar ability to almost completely roll it back to the old behavior. I might look at Konq as a replacement (since it _is_ pretty fast) if I hadn't had so many poor page rendering experiences in the past. In addition, when I've been testing urls found in our squid logs for proxies I've also found it _very_ easy to crash konqueror too. -- Mike Rambo "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt From clay at lazarusid.com Mon Sep 29 15:51:15 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:51:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Brazillian Barbeque Message-ID: For those here not on the Penguicon mailing list, or who get snowed under debates about licensing issues and other administrivia, I've got some more dire news. Currently they are not planning to have Brazillian beef. Budget has been allocated for the grill, but not for the beef, salt or charcoal. They are making alternative plans for food. As we have seen in the past, their idea of food alternatives is a lot of lunch meat and cheese. The chief holdup is a lack of somebody to organize it. Eduardo has been pretty clear on not wanting to handle the behind the scenes organization. He's a good chef, but not dumb enough to get himself tied up with that much administration. We need somebody to act as the organizer. This will mean taking care of the logistics of getting this going, and advocating with the ConCom to make sure that we get what we need as far as space, resources and hotel relations. I have no idea how involved this is. I'm already handling the room party, including beer, room rental and food. I can't say I'm wanting to throw the barbeque onto that pile. I'm willing to help in any way I can (including arranging funding). Clay From clay at lazarusid.com Tue Sep 30 13:15:42 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:15:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] No Beef! Message-ID: I think that in my prior message I failed to strike the proper tone of panic. Folks, if we don't come up with somebody to run the Brazillian Barbeque, there won't be one. Do we have anybody? Beuhler? Clay From c.e.tower at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 15:00:09 2008 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:00:09 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] No Beef! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48E27739.2060709@gmail.com> How soon do we need a volunteer, Clay? Does anyone know how much it has cost for the beef in years past? Would we be able to use the grill the concom has already planned for, or would we need our own grill? Chick Clay Dowling wrote: > I think that in my prior message I failed to strike the proper tone of > panic. > > Folks, if we don't come up with somebody to run the Brazillian Barbeque, > there won't be one. Do we have anybody? > > Beuhler? > > Clay From clay at lazarusid.com Tue Sep 30 15:05:00 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:05:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] No Beef! In-Reply-To: <48E27739.2060709@gmail.com> References: <48E27739.2060709@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Sep 2008, Chick Tower wrote: > How soon do we need a volunteer, Clay? Does anyone know how much it has cost > for the beef in years past? Would we be able to use the grill the concom has > already planned for, or would we need our own grill? I don't know. Chuck Child is the man to ask, he headed this up last year. You can get in touch with him via the Penguicon.info site. At this point, I'm not that worried about the money side of it. First we have to get this on the schedule, then we can worry about the money. It's definitely a lot of money, I believe a couple thousand all told. We can make that happen. If nothing else we sell shares in the operation, with the certainty that we'll be able to turn a profit unless a tornado blows the whole operation away. I don't think we'll have a problem getting budget allocations for this. Penguicon understands that this is popular. But we need somebody to step up. Clay From charles at bityard.net Tue Sep 30 16:18:38 2008 From: charles at bityard.net (Charles Ulrich) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:18:38 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] No Beef! In-Reply-To: <48E27739.2060709@gmail.com> References: <48E27739.2060709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8e690af80809301318s6dc6a5dcl152a3464b86691fd@mail.gmail.com> Much of this information can be found on the penguicon-general mailing list archive: http://penguicon.org/pipermail/penguicon-general/2008-September/thread.html The following email is Chuck Child's extremely detailed notes from before and after last year's grilling festivities: http://penguicon.org/pipermail/penguicon-general/2008-September/005543.html Charles On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > How soon do we need a volunteer, Clay? Does anyone know how much it has > cost for the beef in years past? Would we be able to use the grill the > concom has already planned for, or would we need our own grill? > > Chick > > > Clay Dowling wrote: >> I think that in my prior message I failed to strike the proper tone of >> panic. >> >> Folks, if we don't come up with somebody to run the Brazillian Barbeque, >> there won't be one. Do we have anybody? >> >> Beuhler? >> >> Clay > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From eduardo at cesconetto.com Tue Sep 30 20:53:18 2008 From: eduardo at cesconetto.com (Eduardo Cesconetto) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:53:18 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] No Beef! In-Reply-To: <8e690af80809301318s6dc6a5dcl152a3464b86691fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <48E27739.2060709@gmail.com> <8e690af80809301318s6dc6a5dcl152a3464b86691fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48554AC9-DBC1-48E3-81A0-27DD08566C68@cesconetto.com> My 2 cents: It has been discussed in the past that the BBQ is a great opportunity for us (GLLUG) to fundraise. I say we go for it, but if we organize, we keep the profits. I can cook and lead the volunteer hands at the time of the BBQ, I can even help us find a sponsor, but we'll need somebody else to be "the organizer". ? Eduardo Cesconetto | eduardo at cesconetto.com | (517)507-5966 On Sep 30, 2008, at 4:18 PM, Charles Ulrich wrote: > Much of this information can be found on the penguicon-general mailing > list archive: > > http://penguicon.org/pipermail/penguicon-general/2008-September/thread.html > > The following email is Chuck Child's extremely detailed notes from > before and after last year's grilling festivities: > > http://penguicon.org/pipermail/penguicon-general/2008-September/005543.html > > Charles > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Chick Tower > wrote: >> How soon do we need a volunteer, Clay? Does anyone know how much >> it has >> cost for the beef in years past? Would we be able to use the grill >> the >> concom has already planned for, or would we need our own grill? >> >> Chick >> >> >> Clay Dowling wrote: >>> I think that in my prior message I failed to strike the proper >>> tone of >>> panic. >>> >>> Folks, if we don't come up with somebody to run the Brazillian >>> Barbeque, >>> there won't be one. Do we have anybody? >>> >>> Beuhler? >>> >>> Clay >> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From clay at lazarusid.com Tue Sep 30 21:20:27 2008 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:20:27 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] No Beef! In-Reply-To: <48554AC9-DBC1-48E3-81A0-27DD08566C68@cesconetto.com> References: <48E27739.2060709@gmail.com> <8e690af80809301318s6dc6a5dcl152a3464b86691fd@mail.gmail.com> <48554AC9-DBC1-48E3-81A0-27DD08566C68@cesconetto.com> Message-ID: <48E2D05B.4070807@lazarusid.com> Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: > It has been discussed in the past that the BBQ is a great opportunity > for us (GLLUG) to fundraise. I say we go for it, but if we organize, > we keep the profits. I can cook and lead the volunteer hands at the > time of the BBQ, I can even help us find a sponsor, but we'll need > somebody else to be "the organizer". I'm completely on board with this. We would probably need to offer a tithe to Penguicon for use of the space and promotional considerations (e.g. them taking the money at registration). Otherwise we have to deal with money out at the grill, which means another person involved as a volunteer. And a small problem securing the money in a bad neighborhood (welcome to Romulus). Then again, the money would be right next to several people with large knives.... So do we have an organizing volunteer? Clay -- Knock Down Desk: From unpacking to fully assembled in 10 minutes http://www.knockdowndesk.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: clay.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 316 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20080930/e5b59779/attachment.vcf From eduardo at cesconetto.com Tue Sep 30 22:08:20 2008 From: eduardo at cesconetto.com (Eduardo Cesconetto) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:08:20 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Ohio Linux Fest Message-ID: <49378B6F-3187-46DE-BF87-377D1B8770F9@cesconetto.com> Ohio LinuxFest 2008 Free and Open Source Software Conference and Expo Columbus, Ohio | October 10-11, 2008 Anybody thinking of going? From c.e.tower at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 23:10:01 2008 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:10:01 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Ohio Linux Fest In-Reply-To: <49378B6F-3187-46DE-BF87-377D1B8770F9@cesconetto.com> References: <49378B6F-3187-46DE-BF87-377D1B8770F9@cesconetto.com> Message-ID: <48E2EA09.2030105@gmail.com> Here's the link to it, for more information. http://www.ohiolinux.org/ Chick Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: > Ohio LinuxFest 2008 > Free and Open Source Software Conference and Expo > Columbus, Ohio | October 10-11, 2008 > > > Anybody thinking of going? From c.e.tower at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 23:34:48 2008 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:34:48 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Ohio Linux Fest In-Reply-To: <49378B6F-3187-46DE-BF87-377D1B8770F9@cesconetto.com> References: <49378B6F-3187-46DE-BF87-377D1B8770F9@cesconetto.com> Message-ID: <48E2EFD8.3040404@gmail.com> I am tempted to go, but I would have to figure out what to do with my dog. What did you guys do last year, in regards to departure times and lodging (if any)? Chick Eduardo Cesconetto wrote: > Ohio LinuxFest 2008 > Free and Open Source Software Conference and Expo > Columbus, Ohio | October 10-11, 2008 > > > Anybody thinking of going?