From rick at divinesymphony.net Wed Apr 1 00:49:18 2009 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 00:49:18 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Storing other and none in a relational database In-Reply-To: <43604.72.52.190.38.1238544683.squirrel@host.bityard.net> References: <80324a260903311225v417decaaq6f5595df4aabaf4f@mail.gmail.com> <49138.72.52.190.38.1238543918.squirrel@host.bityard.net> <43604.72.52.190.38.1238544683.squirrel@host.bityard.net> Message-ID: I'd strongly recommend avoiding any JavaScript requirements, as it fundamentally breaks the HTML interface to your application. Any such hack/workaround needs to be server-side, or you are setting yourself up for a world of hurt. On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 8:11 PM, wrote: > > > > Either way, I recommend inserting the 'None' and 'Other' records > > immediately after the table is created so that you always know the > primary > > key value of those two records. > > I accidentally skipped over the part where you said you want None to > always be first and Other to always be last. Probably the only solution > there is to do some "manual" sorting in the code if it's an absolute > requirement. > > Charles > -- > http://bityard.net > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090401/22debd3c/attachment.html From c.e.tower at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 17:37:49 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 17:37:49 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Arch Linux - Request for Comment In-Reply-To: <12df8d4f0903271026p677b0281pe6c06fa5eebc0f86@mail.gmail.com> References: <12df8d4f0903271026p677b0281pe6c06fa5eebc0f86@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D3DEAD.1080202@gmail.com> Just in case it matters to your friend, Peter, Arch has just announced that it will be dropping i686 support sometime in the future to focus exclusively on x86-64 CPUs. They say it shouldn't matter much, since i686 is "old" hardware, and people can use the Arch Build System (ABS) to compile new software for i686 architectures. ABS is similar to FreeBSD's ports system; maybe it's even identical, just translated to Linux. Chick Peter Smith wrote: > A coworker, currently Debian but a Slackwarer in his heart, was > wondering if anyone had any personal experience with Arch Linux that > they'd like to relate. Just the general sorts of things; usability, > problems, activity, updatedness... From clay at lazarusid.com Wed Apr 1 20:50:54 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 20:50:54 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Beer in secondary Message-ID: <49D40BEE.6040807@lazarusid.com> After a whole lot of drama in getting CO2, the czech pilsner is in its keg, and the stout and the dunkelweizen are in secondary fermentation. That means that they're off the dead yeast and getting clearer rapidly. The dunkelweizen is considerably darker than the stout. And the czech pilsner is a glorious golden color. Clay From marshal at freedombi.com Wed Apr 1 22:03:26 2009 From: marshal at freedombi.com (Marshal Newrock) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 22:03:26 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Storing other and none in a relational database In-Reply-To: <80324a260903311225v417decaaq6f5595df4aabaf4f@mail.gmail.com> References: <80324a260903311225v417decaaq6f5595df4aabaf4f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090401220326.2ec47b7b@osiris> Auto-increment doesn't mean you can't manually put a value in the id column. I would add "0 - None" to each table. "Other" is more tricky if you want to control the sort order. If you're doing it strictly alphabetically (other than "none"), you could put "other" in lowercase. Some locales will ignore case when sorting, though. Alternatively, you could add a sort_order column. As far as your concerns about invalid foreign keys, it would only be invalid if you try to enter an id that doesn't exist in the referenced table. My suggestion would be to add "0 - None", which would make it easier to check for None, and to have a sort_order column. Marshal On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:25:16 -0400 David Singer wrote: > I have a bit of a problem with an application I am designing. I was > hopping someone on the list might have a brilliant idea for a work > around. > > *Overview > *My application lets users enter data in the form of drop down boxes > (html select). These are generated from a database table where the > value of each option is the primary key of the table and the value > displayed to the user is the name column. For example this is the > table of brands. > > brand_id name > 1 Apple > 2 Dell > 3 Gateway > 4 IBM > etc... > > This part is simple enough. The code reads the database and generates > the html markup to make the drop down select. The problem is I want > to add the option to select None or Other. I have tried a few > solutions but none seem to work well. > > *Option #1 > *I could add none and other to my brands table like this: > brand_id (pk) name > 1 Apple > 2 Dell > 3 Gateway > 4 IBM > 5 Other > 6 None > > The problem with this approach is I always want None (if present) > displayed first and Other (if present) displayed last. The only way I > can figure to do this is with some overly complex SQL or some post > database data reordering. More problematic though is with other > tables I am going to have different values for None and Other (the > primary key is an autonumber). These values need to be consistant so > that client side javascript can promt the user for additional > information if Other is selected. > > *Option #2 > *I could leave the table alone and add in None and Other before the > data is presented to the user. I could then use constants like None > = 2147483646 and Other = 2147483647 (values that will never > resonably be reached).This aproach makes client side scripting easier > however it also means storing invalid data as foriegn keys in my > table. It also seems unelagent somehow. For example my computers > table would look like this. > > computer_id (pk) brand_id (fk) name > 1 1 > Macbook 2 > 4 Thinkpad > 3 2147483647 Homemade > Computer > > (assuming the user selected other as a brand for #3). > > *Option #3 > *Store None and Other as negative numbers. This would still mean > invalid forigne keys but it has the added benifit that an additional > table could be created for other values like this: > > other_id name > 1 None > 2 Other > 3 Davids Workshop > > On the client side when someone selected other from a drop down list > javascript could be used to replace it with a text box and then > whatever the user entered could be added to the others table and > stored as a negative number in the computers table. That way any > negitive forign key would be redirected to the others table. its a > huge hack but i think ti would work though it would mean doing some > things in PHP rather than SQL so preformance would probebly be > limited (or very complex sql). > > Any other ideas? I don't really like any of these solutions they are > just what iv come up with so far. > > David -- Marshal Newrock 517-679-0699 x223 FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Now Sarah Hoyt is the Literature Guest of Honor. -- Chick From ozugo at yahoo.com Thu Apr 2 10:12:13 2009 From: ozugo at yahoo.com (ZuG) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 07:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GLLUG] Lansing GiveCamp Info In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <233496.27142.qm@web53906.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thought you might like to know -- On April 24-26, Lansing is staging a development GiveCamp >From the site: A GiveCamp is a weekend-long event where software developers, designers, and database administrators donate their time to create custom software for non-profit organizations. This custom software could be a new website for the nonprofit organization, a small data-collection application to keep track of members, or a application for the Red Cross that automatically emails a blood donor three months after they?ve donated blood to remind them that they are now eligible to donate again. The only limitation is that the project should be scoped to be able to be completed in a weekend. To volunteer or for more info, their website is at http://www.lansinggivecamp.org/ Hope to see you all there. From c.e.tower at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 13:28:52 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 13:28:52 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Arch Linux - Request for Comment] Message-ID: <49D4F5D4.5050708@gmail.com> Well, nevermind. It was apparently an April Fool's joke by the Arch developers. But Linux Today bit on it, too. Oddly enough, I was suspicious of almost every article on Slashdot yesterday. -- Chick -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Arch Linux - Request for Comment Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 17:37:49 -0400 From: Chick Tower Just in case it matters to your friend, Peter, Arch has just announced that it will be dropping i686 support sometime in the future to focus exclusively on x86-64 CPUs. They say it shouldn't matter much, since i686 is "old" hardware, and people can use the Arch Build System (ABS) to compile new software for i686 architectures. ABS is similar to FreeBSD's ports system; maybe it's even identical, just translated to Linux. From rexykik at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 14:44:57 2009 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 14:44:57 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Nanotechnology talk tonight Message-ID: <984d708a0904021144q2e8d15aeoc3059f89081179b3@mail.gmail.com> Just a reminder to those who may have missed it: our very own Frank Dolinar will be presenting on the state of nanotechnology tonight. If you didn't attend the last one a year or so ago, and don't anticipate attending penguincon, I highly recommend coming to see it. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Frank Dolinar Date: 2009/3/21 Subject: [GLLUG] Announcement / 2nd attempt To: GLLUG Just to let everyone know -- ??? At the meeting on Thursday, April 2, I'm giving an updated presentation on nanotechnology and how it's changing electronics & computers, tentatively titled "More, Moore; Faster, Faster!". ??? This will be a preliminary to / practice for my presentation at Penguicon. ??? I've had email confirmation that I'm on the program for Penguicon, but I still have not shown up on the list of speakers for the event. ??? I look forward to seeing everyone on April 2. -Frank P.S.? Rick, still can't get logged into the GLLUG site.? Please advise. -- *================================================================* * Frank Dolinar frank.dolinar at comcast.net * * nanoSteps, LLC www.nanosteps.net * * PO Box 886 517.351.1899 * * East Lansing, MI 48826-0886 * *----------------------------------------------------------------* * Dream big, aim high, shoot for the stars... * * and learn everything you can along the way. * *================================================================* _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user at egr.msu.edu http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From BSMITH at inghamisd.org Thu Apr 2 14:51:44 2009 From: BSMITH at inghamisd.org (Bryan Smith) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:51:44 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Cent OS Php Version Message-ID: <49D4D100.9620.0022.0@inghamisd.org> I'm running a couple of cent boxes. The PHP version seems to be at 5.1.x when updating from the cent repositories. Ideally I need to be at 5.2.x for all my stuff to work. Any Ideas? --Smitty From muteid10t at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 16:24:13 2009 From: muteid10t at gmail.com (Ron Blanchett) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 16:24:13 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Cent OS Php Version In-Reply-To: <49D4D100.9620.0022.0@inghamisd.org> References: <49D4D100.9620.0022.0@inghamisd.org> Message-ID: <52995d720904021324g43f27d79w439c1f3d1bd1928f@mail.gmail.com> do 'yum --enablerepo=centosplus search php' to see if the version of php you are looking for is in the centosplus repository. if it is then 'yum --enablerepo=centosplus install php'. Keep in mind that the centosplus repo will possible take you out of line with some/all centos packages, use the centosplus repo with care. All packages in the centosplus repo are community provided and supported. -Ron On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Bryan Smith wrote: > I'm running a couple of cent boxes. The PHP version seems to be at 5.1.x > when updating from the cent repositories. Ideally I need to be at 5.2.x for > all my stuff to work. Any Ideas? > > --Smitty > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090402/adcbba56/attachment.html From c.e.tower at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 00:03:13 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 00:03:13 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Call for Brazilian Beef Volunteers Message-ID: <49D58A81.1060508@gmail.com> It is time once again to solicit volunteers to help with the Brazilian beef cook-out at Penguicon. I hope people can be generous with their time, and I would like to have enough people that nobody has to spend all day with this. If you can help, please reply to me, not this list, at beef at penguicon.org, so I can keep all my volunteer responses in one place. The beef will be served from 4:00 p.m. until 8:00 p.m. on Saturday, May 2nd, but we'll need help well before and after those times. If there's something specific you want to do, feel free to let me know; we'll need people to slice the beef both before and after cooking it, people to cook the beef, people to wash utensils and cutting boards, people to fetch soft drinks and run errands, people to carry meat from the ConSuite to the grill (about thirty feet), and someone to take tickets. I plan to switch people among jobs as I can, so nobody gets stuck for long with something they detest, although there are some jobs that require specialized knowledge, such as slicing the beef into steaks before cooking it and actually cooking it. If you have any questions or suggestions, please feel free to let me know. I'm getting excited about this, now that it's a month away. -- Chick Tower Brazilian Beef Cook-out "Head Honcho" From clay at lazarusid.com Fri Apr 3 19:49:32 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 19:49:32 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Czech Pilsner Message-ID: <49D6A08C.4060003@lazarusid.com> I decided that the Czech Pilsner had spent enough time being carbonated and was ready for a sample today. I was right. This beer has the richness of flavor that ou expect from a home brew, and the lagering process gave it a clarity of flavor that is hard to get in a beer this heavily hopped. In short, this is really great beer. It probably won't appeal to every beer drinker, but the serious connoisseur will appreciate it. Clay From c.e.tower at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 23:04:37 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 23:04:37 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Czech Pilsner In-Reply-To: <49D6A08C.4060003@lazarusid.com> References: <49D6A08C.4060003@lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <49D6CE45.5000508@gmail.com> Just don't drink it all before the room party, dude. Chick Clay Dowling wrote: > I decided that the Czech Pilsner had spent enough time being carbonated > and was ready for a sample today. I was right. > > This beer has the richness of flavor that ou expect from a home brew, > and the lagering process gave it a clarity of flavor that is hard to get > in a beer this heavily hopped. In short, this is really great beer. It > probably won't appeal to every beer drinker, but the serious connoisseur > will appreciate it. > > Clay From rockylichen at yahoo.com Sat Apr 4 14:06:31 2009 From: rockylichen at yahoo.com (Rocky Lichen) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:06:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GLLUG] Fw: Storing other and none in a relational database Message-ID: <225636.19578.qm@web31815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 3/31/09, David Singer wrote: > From: David Singer > Subject: [GLLUG] Storing other and none in a relational database > To: "GLLUG" > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 12:25 PM > I have a bit of a problem with an > application I am designing. I was hopping someone on the > list might have a brilliant idea for a work around. > > Overview > My application lets users enter data in the form of > drop down boxes (html select). These are generated from a > database table where the value of each option is the primary > key of the table and the value displayed to the user is the > name column. For example this is the table of brands. > > > brand_id?????????? name > 1????????????????????? Apple > 2????????????????????? Dell > 3????????????????????? Gateway > 4????????????????????? IBM > etc... > > This part is simple enough. The code reads the database and > generates the html markup to make the drop down select. The > problem is I want to add the option to select None or Other. > I have tried a few solutions but none seem to work well. > > > Option #1 > I could add none and other to my brands table like > this: > brand_id (pk)???? name > > 1????????????????????? Apple > > 2????????????????????? Dell > > 3????????????????????? Gateway > > 4????????????????????? IBM > 5????????????????????? Other > 6????????????????????? None > > The problem with this approach is I always want None (if > present) displayed first and Other (if present) displayed > last. The only way I can figure to do this is with some > overly complex SQL or some post database data reordering. > More problematic though is with other tables I am going to > have different values for None and Other (the primary key is > an autonumber). These values need to be consistant so that > client side javascript can promt the user for additional > information if Other is selected. > > > Option #2 > I could leave the table alone and add in None and Other > before the data is presented to the user. I could then use > constants like None =? 2147483646 and Other = 2147483647 > (values that will never resonably be reached).This aproach > makes client side scripting easier however it also means > storing invalid data as foriegn keys in my table. It also > seems unelagent somehow. For example my computers table > would look like this. > > > computer_id (pk)?????????? brand_id > (fk)????????????? name > 1????????????????????????????????? > 1????????????????????????????? > Macbook > 2????????????????????????????????? > 4????????????????????????????? > Thinkpad > > 3????????????????????????????????? > 2147483647????????????? Homemade Computer > > (assuming the user selected other as a brand for #3). > > Option #3 > Store None and Other as negative numbers. This would > still mean invalid forigne keys but it has the added benifit > that an additional table could be created for other values > like this: > > > other_id???????????????? name > 1?????????????????????????? None > 2?????????????????????????? > Other > 3?????????????????????????? > Davids Workshop > > On the client side when someone selected other from a drop > down list javascript could be used to replace it with a text > box and then whatever the user entered could be added to the > others table and stored as a negative number in the > computers table. That way any negitive forign key would be > redirected to the others table. its a huge hack but i think > ti would work though it would mean doing some things in PHP > rather than SQL so preformance would probebly be limited (or > very complex sql). > > > Any other ideas? I don't really like any of these > solutions they are just what iv come up with so far. > > David > > If your database properly handles requests of the form "SELECT field1, field2 FROM mytable ORDER BY field3;" you could add a sort_order column to your brands table. Set it to default to some intermediate value, assign none a low value and other a high value. Now add "SORT ON sort_order" to the end of your drop down select and change only the ordering of what is returned. From c.e.tower at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 22:00:18 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 22:00:18 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon News Message-ID: <49D810B2.9050905@gmail.com> We heard at today's convention committee (concom) meeting that Monster, the energy drink company, will be a sponsor of the ConSuite, and have said they will provide Monster for free all weekend. The Monster Girls will also be visiting room parties with backpacks full of Monster to hand out. It was decided that the open-source energy drink that Bill Putt was going to make this year, Penguin Pee, should not be offered, since Monster was promised the exclusive energy drink sponsorship. One of the concom members, Dan Ramirez (dramirez1 at hfcc.net), is looking to share his room and its cost with someone. The cost is $85 to $100 dollars per night for rooms (he wasn't sure), and he would prefer just one roommate rather than several, as someone suggested. Here's his message: "I'm going to have one of the balconies overlooking the middle and I need someone to split the cost with me on Friday and Saturday. I'm a very clean person and it is a non-smoking room. Please e-mail me privately if any of you are interested in this." So if anyone wants to share a room near the computer lounge, the pool, and the ConSuite, let Dan (not me) know. -- Chick From charles at bityard.net Sun Apr 5 17:55:37 2009 From: charles at bityard.net (charles at bityard.net) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:55:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] Lounge Logistics Message-ID: <41464.72.52.190.38.1238968537.squirrel@host.bityard.net> Hi everyone, Jeff and I have been talking recently about the best way to get all of the terminals down to Penguicon this year. In years prior, we have loaded up the supervan floor to ceiling with monitors, terminals, and other equipment but this year, that may not be an option. These are the possibilities we're looking at: 1) Split up the load amongst multiple vehicles. Thursday night, in lieu of a GLLUG meeting, we would meet up somewhere in Lansing (or Jeff's place) and everyone would take what they could into their own car/truck/whatever. The hard part is figuring out how to get all the equipment back to Jeff since people tend to leave the con at different times on Sunday. (It's my understanding that he won't be around on Sunday to receive the equipment even if you bring it right to his house.) 2) Enlist someone else to drive the supervan down to the con and return it to Jeff afterward. 3) Use another vehicle. A large van, a pickup truck, or medium-size trailer would work splendidly (as long as it has shock absorbers and they are functional) and we'll even arrange a loading party in your honor. Other ideas are welcome and encouraged. We're geeks, we can generally figure these things out efficiently as long as no one starts an argument about which Linux distribution is best. Charles -- http://bityard.net From david at ramaboo.com Sun Apr 5 18:15:54 2009 From: david at ramaboo.com (David Singer) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 18:15:54 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Lounge Logistics In-Reply-To: <41464.72.52.190.38.1238968537.squirrel@host.bityard.net> References: <41464.72.52.190.38.1238968537.squirrel@host.bityard.net> Message-ID: <80324a260904051515n6b2e4d83s1f86bb8ddd72fb2d@mail.gmail.com> I can be at Jeff's house on Sunday to let people unload stuff into the garage if need be (I live in the same complex as Jeff). David On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 5:55 PM, wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Jeff and I have been talking recently about the best way to get all of the > terminals down to Penguicon this year. In years prior, we have loaded up > the supervan floor to ceiling with monitors, terminals, and other > equipment but this year, that may not be an option. These are the > possibilities we're looking at: > > 1) Split up the load amongst multiple vehicles. Thursday night, in lieu of > a GLLUG meeting, we would meet up somewhere in Lansing (or Jeff's place) > and everyone would take what they could into their own car/truck/whatever. > The hard part is figuring out how to get all the equipment back to Jeff > since people tend to leave the con at different times on Sunday. (It's my > understanding that he won't be around on Sunday to receive the equipment > even if you bring it right to his house.) > > 2) Enlist someone else to drive the supervan down to the con and return it > to Jeff afterward. > > 3) Use another vehicle. A large van, a pickup truck, or medium-size > trailer would work splendidly (as long as it has shock absorbers and they > are functional) and we'll even arrange a loading party in your honor. > > Other ideas are welcome and encouraged. We're geeks, we can generally > figure these things out efficiently as long as no one starts an argument > about which Linux distribution is best. > > Charles > -- > http://bityard.net > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090405/13a15758/attachment.html From rick at divinesymphony.net Mon Apr 6 01:11:20 2009 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 01:11:20 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Lounge Logistics In-Reply-To: <41464.72.52.190.38.1238968537.squirrel@host.bityard.net> References: <41464.72.52.190.38.1238968537.squirrel@host.bityard.net> Message-ID: I could certainly help load that Thursday, but I won't be able to fit much, if any additional, gear into my car. Should I be taking the two 19" CRT I've been holding since last year, or did we decided to go 15-17" only this round? On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 5:55 PM, wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Jeff and I have been talking recently about the best way to get all of the > terminals down to Penguicon this year. In years prior, we have loaded up > the supervan floor to ceiling with monitors, terminals, and other > equipment but this year, that may not be an option. These are the > possibilities we're looking at: > > 1) Split up the load amongst multiple vehicles. Thursday night, in lieu of > a GLLUG meeting, we would meet up somewhere in Lansing (or Jeff's place) > and everyone would take what they could into their own car/truck/whatever. > The hard part is figuring out how to get all the equipment back to Jeff > since people tend to leave the con at different times on Sunday. (It's my > understanding that he won't be around on Sunday to receive the equipment > even if you bring it right to his house.) > > 2) Enlist someone else to drive the supervan down to the con and return it > to Jeff afterward. > > 3) Use another vehicle. A large van, a pickup truck, or medium-size > trailer would work splendidly (as long as it has shock absorbers and they > are functional) and we'll even arrange a loading party in your honor. > > Other ideas are welcome and encouraged. We're geeks, we can generally > figure these things out efficiently as long as no one starts an argument > about which Linux distribution is best. > > Charles > -- > http://bityard.net > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090406/2965f0ba/attachment.html From clay at lazarusid.com Mon Apr 6 10:59:55 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 09:59:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Lounge Logistics In-Reply-To: <41464.72.52.190.38.1238968537.squirrel@host.bityard.net> References: <41464.72.52.190.38.1238968537.squirrel@host.bityard.net> Message-ID: I'll take what I can. That might be precious little though. I'll be loaded up with beer stuff. Clay On Sun, 5 Apr 2009, charles at bityard.net wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Jeff and I have been talking recently about the best way to get all of the > terminals down to Penguicon this year. In years prior, we have loaded up > the supervan floor to ceiling with monitors, terminals, and other > equipment but this year, that may not be an option. These are the > possibilities we're looking at: > > 1) Split up the load amongst multiple vehicles. Thursday night, in lieu of > a GLLUG meeting, we would meet up somewhere in Lansing (or Jeff's place) > and everyone would take what they could into their own car/truck/whatever. > The hard part is figuring out how to get all the equipment back to Jeff > since people tend to leave the con at different times on Sunday. (It's my > understanding that he won't be around on Sunday to receive the equipment > even if you bring it right to his house.) > > 2) Enlist someone else to drive the supervan down to the con and return it > to Jeff afterward. > > 3) Use another vehicle. A large van, a pickup truck, or medium-size > trailer would work splendidly (as long as it has shock absorbers and they > are functional) and we'll even arrange a loading party in your honor. > > Other ideas are welcome and encouraged. We're geeks, we can generally > figure these things out efficiently as long as no one starts an argument > about which Linux distribution is best. > > Charles > From eduardo at cesconetto.com Mon Apr 6 11:40:52 2009 From: eduardo at cesconetto.com (eduardo cesconetto) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 10:40:52 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] R.I.P. OpenMoko Message-ID: <9542B689-4963-476A-AF8D-D1D0028188D6@cesconetto.com> I am very sad, this was a great Open Source initiative, much better then the Android in my humble opinion. http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/06/openmoko-freerunner-canceled-staff-slashed/ ? Eduardo Cesconetto - eduardo at cesconetto.com - www.cesconetto.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090406/dacec7b0/attachment.html From clay at lazarusid.com Tue Apr 7 14:19:57 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 13:19:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Scrapbooking with Free Software Message-ID: In a discussion on another forum, one person mentioned that one of the reasons she never even considered Linux was because her existing machine had really great scrapbooking software that she used all the time. So I decided to see how well Linux would work for that, especially The Gimp. My first pass is at http://dowling.lazarusid.com/node/245 That took about 20 minutes, most of which was spent getting source images, especially the background. You can see I'm not exactly the scrapbooking genious. Probably has something to do with owning dangling genitalia. But it was really easy, something I could show pretty much anybody competent to hold a mouse. I'll be showing my wife and my sister, the two scapbookers that I know. This might make a good presentation to introduce outsiders to free software. I'm pretty sure I could assemble a CD that would be easy for folks to install on their Windows machine, and include a bunch of free background textures and pictures and maybe even fonts. With a little work, I could probably even produce some basic templates for folks, but you can see that my design skills don't recommend me for that task. Clay From charles at bityard.net Wed Apr 8 17:45:04 2009 From: charles at bityard.net (charles at bityard.net) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 17:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon Trailering Message-ID: <53777.72.52.190.38.1239227104.squirrel@host.bityard.net> Hi all, Chick and I have been tossing around the idea of renting a trailer to transport all the computery and grill-type stuff down to Penguicon. We're looking at either a 12-foot 2-axle enclosed trailer or a 8-foot single-axle trailer but we don't yet have anything to tow it with. If you'll be heading down to Penguicon in a towing-capable vehicle (or have access to one and would be willing to drive it down), please get in touch. We'll need you to be available the Thursday night before Penguicon to pick up the trailer from the rental place and drive it over to Williamston so we can load it up with the lounge/BBQ goodies. If gas money is a concern, we can possibly work something out. Thanks! Charles -- http://bityard.net From david at ramaboo.com Wed Apr 8 18:00:51 2009 From: david at ramaboo.com (David Singer) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 18:00:51 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Appetizer Party Message-ID: <80324a260904081500m52bfcb14hbe57e12bea538410@mail.gmail.com> I just won a free appetizer party from Lansing Claddagh Irish Pub in the Eastwood town center mall (left a bussiness card in there bowl after a post GLLUG outing). Its good for 20 people and includes all you can eat Appetizers. I was wonder what people thought about moving GLLUG to the Irish Pub on either the 16th or 23rd of this month for an appetizer party from 6:30pm to 8:30ish (people can problbly stay longer if they want). It includes several appatizers meat/photot cabbage thing, artichoke dipp, and onion rings of some kind. Beer is availible but extra. The rule is we have to start before 7:00pm so it would mean skipping the library. Please let me know if your interested so I can get an idea of numbers, and what day would work best. -David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090408/1dc9ad99/attachment.html From clay at lazarusid.com Thu Apr 9 09:56:29 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 08:56:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Appetizer Party In-Reply-To: <80324a260904081500m52bfcb14hbe57e12bea538410@mail.gmail.com> References: <80324a260904081500m52bfcb14hbe57e12bea538410@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I love the idea, and propose it for the 16th. I think that on the 23rd we may be pretty busy nailing down final details for Penguicon. Clay On Wed, 8 Apr 2009, David Singer wrote: > I just won a free appetizer party from Lansing Claddagh Irish Pub in the > Eastwood town center mall (left a bussiness card in there bowl after a post > GLLUG outing). Its good for 20 people and includes all you can eat > Appetizers. > > I was wonder what people thought about moving GLLUG to the Irish Pub on > either the 16th or 23rd of this month for an appetizer party from 6:30pm to > 8:30ish (people can problbly stay longer if they want). It includes several > appatizers meat/photot cabbage thing, artichoke dipp, and onion rings of > some kind. Beer is availible but extra. The rule is we have to start before > 7:00pm so it would mean skipping the library. > > Please let me know if your interested so I can get an idea of numbers, and > what day would work best. > > -David > From clay at lazarusid.com Thu Apr 9 10:00:43 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:00:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Beer Update Message-ID: I just ordered the last of the beer equipment for Penguicon. No hand pumps for us: we'll have a completely gas powered beer distribution system. Just open the tap, fill the glass and you're good to go. I'll be building some kind of minimalist bar structure to manage all of this gear. Something that knocks down so that it's easy to fit in my trunk. Also, the dunkelweizen went into the keg last night. That keg is much more full than the czech pilsner. For some reason I was thinking that it would be mellower than the stout, but if it is it isn't by much. The little taste I had suggests that it's got a fair bit of bite, but we'll see in a few days once it's fully carbonated. Clay From marshal at freedombi.com Thu Apr 9 10:50:39 2009 From: marshal at freedombi.com (Marshal Newrock) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 10:50:39 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Appetizer Party In-Reply-To: <80324a260904081500m52bfcb14hbe57e12bea538410@mail.gmail.com> References: <80324a260904081500m52bfcb14hbe57e12bea538410@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090409105039.32288191@osiris> I think I would pass on that. I've already been to one such sales pitch. - Marshal On Wed, 8 Apr 2009 18:00:51 -0400 David Singer wrote: > I just won a free appetizer party from Lansing Claddagh Irish Pub in > the Eastwood town center mall (left a bussiness card in there bowl > after a post GLLUG outing). Its good for 20 people and includes all > you can eat Appetizers. > > I was wonder what people thought about moving GLLUG to the Irish Pub > on either the 16th or 23rd of this month for an appetizer party from > 6:30pm to 8:30ish (people can problbly stay longer if they want). It > includes several appatizers meat/photot cabbage thing, artichoke > dipp, and onion rings of some kind. Beer is availible but extra. The > rule is we have to start before 7:00pm so it would mean skipping the > library. > > Please let me know if your interested so I can get an idea of > numbers, and what day would work best. > > -David -- Marshal Newrock 517-679-0699 x223 FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090409/15e21e4b/attachment.bin From eduardo at cesconetto.com Thu Apr 9 11:52:55 2009 From: eduardo at cesconetto.com (eduardo at cesconetto.com) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 12:52:55 -0300 (BRT) Subject: [GLLUG] Appetizer Party In-Reply-To: References: <80324a260904081500m52bfcb14hbe57e12bea538410@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <50602.17.233.76.175.1239292375.squirrel@cesconetto.com> Please mail me appetizers to Houston!!! > I love the idea, and propose it for the 16th. I think that on the 23rd we > may be pretty busy nailing down final details for Penguicon. > > Clay > > On Wed, 8 Apr 2009, David Singer wrote: > >> I just won a free appetizer party from Lansing Claddagh Irish Pub in the >> Eastwood town center mall (left a bussiness card in there bowl after a >> post >> GLLUG outing). Its good for 20 people and includes all you can eat >> Appetizers. >> >> I was wonder what people thought about moving GLLUG to the Irish Pub on >> either the 16th or 23rd of this month for an appetizer party from 6:30pm >> to >> 8:30ish (people can problbly stay longer if they want). It includes >> several >> appatizers meat/photot cabbage thing, artichoke dipp, and onion rings of >> some kind. Beer is availible but extra. The rule is we have to start >> before >> 7:00pm so it would mean skipping the library. >> >> Please let me know if your interested so I can get an idea of numbers, >> and >> what day would work best. >> >> -David >> > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From c.e.tower at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 11:55:08 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 11:55:08 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Appetizer Party In-Reply-To: <20090409105039.32288191@osiris> References: <80324a260904081500m52bfcb14hbe57e12bea538410@mail.gmail.com> <20090409105039.32288191@osiris> Message-ID: <49DE1A5C.3090602@gmail.com> What do you think they'll try to get you to buy? A time-share? Amway products? Chick Marshal Newrock wrote: > I think I would pass on that. I've already been to one such sales > pitch. > > - Marshal From marshal at freedombi.com Thu Apr 9 12:05:17 2009 From: marshal at freedombi.com (Marshal Newrock) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 12:05:17 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Appetizer Party In-Reply-To: <49DE1A5C.3090602@gmail.com> References: <80324a260904081500m52bfcb14hbe57e12bea538410@mail.gmail.com> <20090409105039.32288191@osiris> <49DE1A5C.3090602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090409120517.74517808@osiris> Well, last time it was for financial advisors. - Marshal On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 11:55:08 -0400 Chick Tower wrote: > What do you think they'll try to get you to buy? A time-share? > Amway products? > > Chick > > > Marshal Newrock wrote: > > I think I would pass on that. I've already been to one such sales > > pitch. > > > > - Marshal -- Marshal Newrock 517-679-0699 x223 FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090409/2a28d305/attachment.bin From frank.dolinar at comcast.net Thu Apr 9 12:16:21 2009 From: frank.dolinar at comcast.net (frank.dolinar at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 16:16:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [GLLUG] Appetizer Party In-Reply-To: <20090409120517.74517808@osiris> Message-ID: <251859791.5848121239293781209.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> My two cents... If this get together is actually an opportunity for Claddagh to try to sell us something other than beer, then it's false advertising or bait-n-switch. In either case, we don't have to listen to the pitch and can actively ignore it. If that bothers the people who didn't tell us it was a sales pitch, it's their problem, not ours. We can still show up have a beer and some appetizers. And if they insist that we must listen to the pitch or not get fed, we can collectively take our business elsewhere. Voting with one's feet usually gets the offending party's attention. Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marshal Newrock" To: linux-user at egr.msu.edu Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 12:05:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Appetizer Party Well, last time it was for financial advisors. - Marshal On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 11:55:08 -0400 Chick Tower wrote: > What do you think they'll try to get you to buy? A time-share? > Amway products? > > Chick > > > Marshal Newrock wrote: > > I think I would pass on that. I've already been to one such sales > > pitch. > > > > - Marshal -- Marshal Newrock 517-679-0699 x223 FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user at egr.msu.edu http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090409/7a4e784c/attachment.html From eduardo at cesconetto.com Thu Apr 9 12:31:19 2009 From: eduardo at cesconetto.com (eduardo at cesconetto.com) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 13:31:19 -0300 (BRT) Subject: [GLLUG] Appetizer Party In-Reply-To: <251859791.5848121239293781209.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mai l.comcast.net> References: <251859791.5848121239293781209.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <50709.17.233.76.175.1239294679.squirrel@cesconetto.com> I'm with Frank, there is always that "free will" thing... > My two cents... > If this get together is actually an opportunity for Claddagh to try to > sell us something other than beer, then it's false advertising or > bait-n-switch. In either case, we don't have to listen to the pitch and > can actively ignore it. If that bothers the people who didn't tell us it > was a sales pitch, it's their problem, not ours. We can still show up have > a beer and some appetizers. > And if they insist that we must listen to the pitch or not get fed, we can > collectively take our business elsewhere. Voting with one's feet usually > gets the offending party's attention. > > Frank > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marshal Newrock" > To: linux-user at egr.msu.edu > Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 12:05:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Appetizer Party > > Well, last time it was for financial advisors. - Marshal On Thu, 09 Apr > 2009 11:55:08 -0400 Chick Tower wrote: > What do you think they'll try to > get you to buy? A time-share? > Amway products? > > Chick > > > Marshal > Newrock wrote: > > I think I would pass on that. I've already been to one > such sales > > pitch. > > > > - Marshal -- Marshal Newrock 517-679-0699 > x223 FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com > _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From charles at bityard.net Thu Apr 9 12:52:31 2009 From: charles at bityard.net (Charles) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 12:52:31 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Appetizer Party In-Reply-To: <251859791.5848121239293781209.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <251859791.5848121239293781209.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <49DE27CF.4020506@bityard.net> Whether or not it's a pitch depends on who's operating the business card bowl. Sometimes the bowl is sponsored by someone looking to sell something and launch a pitch at you. In this case, they usually buy the whole meal and schedule it around lunchtime when the recipients are in a more "attentive" mood. Other times, the restaurant itself sets up the bowl to attract new customers (and perhaps in this case, give away cheap appetizers to sell expensive beer). If David was contacted by an employee of the Claddagh, it's likely the latter. Charles frank.dolinar at comcast.net wrote: > My two cents... > If this get together is actually an opportunity for Claddagh to try > to sell us something other than beer, then it's false advertising or > bait-n-switch. In either case, we don't have to listen to the pitch and > can actively ignore it. If that bothers the people who didn't tell us > it was a sales pitch, it's their problem, not ours. We can still show > up have a beer and some appetizers. > And if they insist that we must listen to the pitch or not get fed, > we can collectively take our business elsewhere. Voting with one's feet > usually gets the offending party's attention. > > Frank > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marshal Newrock" > To: linux-user at egr.msu.edu > Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 12:05:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Appetizer Party > > Well, last time it was for financial advisors. - Marshal On Thu, 09 Apr > 2009 11:55:08 -0400 Chick Tower wrote: > What do you think they'll try > to get you to buy? A time-share? > Amway products? > > Chick > > > > Marshal Newrock wrote: > > I think I would pass on that. I've already > been to one such sales > > pitch. > > > > - Marshal -- Marshal Newrock > 517-679-0699 x223 FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com > _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -- http://bityard.net From clay at lazarusid.com Thu Apr 9 13:44:31 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 12:44:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Appetizer Party In-Reply-To: <49DE1A5C.3090602@gmail.com> References: <80324a260904081500m52bfcb14hbe57e12bea538410@mail.gmail.com> <20090409105039.32288191@osiris> <49DE1A5C.3090602@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Apr 2009, Chick Tower wrote: > What do you think they'll try to get you to buy? A time-share? Amway > products? If it will make people feel better, I'll get my wife to come and pitch Mary Kay products. Clay From clay at lazarusid.com Thu Apr 9 13:47:54 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 12:47:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Appetizer Party In-Reply-To: <20090409120517.74517808@osiris> References: <80324a260904081500m52bfcb14hbe57e12bea538410@mail.gmail.com> <20090409105039.32288191@osiris> <49DE1A5C.3090602@gmail.com> <20090409120517.74517808@osiris> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Apr 2009, Marshal Newrock wrote: > Well, last time it was for financial advisors. Oh hell, I should get my wife to come then. That's what she does for a living. In any event, financial advisors are especially fun to heckel. Being married to one, I know where the weak spots are. And sometimes, I know their sales pitches better than they do, if they've gotten lax in their practice. From tigner at msu.edu Thu Apr 9 13:47:33 2009 From: tigner at msu.edu (tigner) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 13:47:33 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Appetizer Party In-Reply-To: References: <80324a260904081500m52bfcb14hbe57e12bea538410@mail.gmail.com> <20090409105039.32288191@osiris> <49DE1A5C.3090602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1239299253.2643.1.camel@eshop1.pa.msu.edu> I think this falls under TANSTAAFL. and he ducks under all the sharp edged things thrown at hm :) Barry A. Tigner Electronics Shop manager Physics and Astronomy department Michigan State University tigner at msu.edu 517-884-5538 On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 12:44 -0500, Clay Dowling wrote: > On Thu, 9 Apr 2009, Chick Tower wrote: > > > What do you think they'll try to get you to buy? A time-share? Amway > > products? > > If it will make people feel better, I'll get my wife to come and pitch > Mary Kay products. > > Clay > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tigner Electronics Shop manager Physics and Astronomy department Michigan State University tigner at msu.edu 517-884-5538 On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 12:44 -0500, Clay Dowling wrote: On Thu, 9 Apr 2009, Chick Tower wrote: > What do you think they'll try to get you to buy? A time-share? Amway > products? If it will make people feel better, I'll get my wife to come and pitch Mary Kay products. Clay _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user at egr.msu.edu http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user at egr.msu.edu http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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David On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:05 PM, wrote: > ..uh.. that would be why we'd be buying the beer. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tigner" > To: "Clay Dowling" > Cc: linux-user at egr.msu.edu > Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 1:47:33 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Appetizer Party > > I think this falls under TANSTAAFL. > > and he ducks under all the sharp edged things thrown at hm :) > > Barry A. Tigner > Electronics Shop manager > Physics and Astronomy department > Michigan State University > tigner at msu.edu > 517-884-5538 > > On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 12:44 -0500, Clay Dowling wrote: > > On Thu, 9 Apr 2009, Chick Tower wrote: > > > What do you think they'll try to get you to buy? A time-share? Amway > > products? > > If it will make people feel better, I'll get my wife to come and pitch > Mary Kay products. > > Clay > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing listlinux-user at egr.msu.eduhttp://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > > _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090409/94751a3e/attachment.html From rick at divinesymphony.net Thu Apr 9 18:25:16 2009 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 18:25:16 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] R.I.P. OpenMoko In-Reply-To: <9542B689-4963-476A-AF8D-D1D0028188D6@cesconetto.com> References: <9542B689-4963-476A-AF8D-D1D0028188D6@cesconetto.com> Message-ID: I read the whole story elsewhere. Despite the media, what I read was that OpenMoko claims only the GTA3 phone is canceled until the GTA2 software stack is complete. I'm not convinced that it's conclusive at this point. On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 11:40 AM, eduardo cesconetto wrote: > I am very sad, this was a great Open Source initiative, much better then > the Android in my humble opinion. > > http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/06/openmoko-freerunner-canceled-staff-slashed/ > > ? Eduardo Cesconetto - eduardo at cesconetto.com - www.cesconetto.com > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I would have made it in last week, but I had to run up to > Toronto Thursday to lend moral support to a cousin having an ovary > removed for a biopsy, and I just wasn't making it back to Lansing for > 6pm. :) You're a week behind the news, Peter. Meet us at the bar at 6:30 on Thursday. Bring beer money, but the food is provided. Clay -- Knock Down Desk: From unpacking to fully assembled in 10 minutes http://www.knockdowndesk.com From c.e.tower at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 19:41:09 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:41:09 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Firefox Seg Fault] Message-ID: <49E3CD95.7040405@gmail.com> Could I get some assistance? When I try to do some on-line banking, Firefox 3.0.8 just disappears after a while. When I ran it from a terminal and tried it, it said /usr/lib/firefox-3.0.8/run-mozilla.sh had a segmentation fault at line 131, or perhaps whatever "$prog" ${1+"$@"} is had the seg fault. It happens consistently. It happens whether I put in my real username or gibberish. I probably used Firefox 3.0.7 the last time I logged on at the bank. If those of you using Firefox 3.0.8 could try logging in and report the results, I would appreciate it. The website is https://www4.bankofamerica.com/index.jsp?page_msg=lasalle and you can try it with any made-up username. No password is needed on that page, just a username and a state. It seems to try to load another page, then Firefox disappears for me. If you get a page where you can enter a password, or an error message saying the state and username combo is unknown, you got further than I can. If you could let me know how it goes for you, I would appreciate it. I was able to get Konqueror to work and completed my banking, although it crashed a few times before being successful, so maybe the bank changed something that causes the problem for us lucky users of "alternative" operating systems. That's what I hope to determine. Thanks for your help. -- Chick -- Chick From b.w.barker at smokejive.net Mon Apr 13 23:06:52 2009 From: b.w.barker at smokejive.net (Brent Barker) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 23:06:52 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Firefox Seg Fault] In-Reply-To: <49E3CD95.7040405@gmail.com> References: <49E3CD95.7040405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a8ddab90904132006h4809b500ueced854679401fe2@mail.gmail.com> I tried user 012345 and state Michigan, went through fine. I temporarily allowed bankofamerica with noscript, and I'm running Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.0.8) Gecko/2009033112 Gentoo Firefox/3.0.8 --Brent On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > Could I get some assistance? ?When I try to do some on-line banking, > Firefox 3.0.8 just disappears after a while. ?When I ran it from a > terminal and tried it, it said /usr/lib/firefox-3.0.8/run-mozilla.sh had > a segmentation fault at line 131, or perhaps whatever "$prog" ${1+"$@"} > is had the seg fault. ?It happens consistently. ?It happens whether I > put in my real username or gibberish. ?I probably used Firefox 3.0.7 the > last time I logged on at the bank. ?If those of you using Firefox 3.0.8 > could try logging in and report the results, I would appreciate it. > > The website is > > https://www4.bankofamerica.com/index.jsp?page_msg=lasalle > > and you can try it with any made-up username. ?No password is needed on > that page, just a username and a state. ?It seems to try to load another > page, then Firefox disappears for me. ?If you get a page where you can > enter a password, or an error message saying the state and username > combo is unknown, you got further than I can. > > If you could let me know how it goes for you, I would appreciate it. ?I > was able to get Konqueror to work and completed my banking, although it > crashed a few times before being successful, so maybe the bank changed > something that causes the problem for us lucky users of "alternative" > operating systems. ?That's what I hope to determine. ?Thanks for your help. > -- > > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Chick > > > > -- > > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Chick > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From david at ramaboo.com Mon Apr 13 23:16:46 2009 From: david at ramaboo.com (David Singer) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 23:16:46 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Firefox Seg Fault] In-Reply-To: <49E3CD95.7040405@gmail.com> References: <49E3CD95.7040405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <80324a260904132016y560cc292tc10504fe9ccc0187@mail.gmail.com> I have a Bank of America account and i log in every day with FF 3.0.8 under Ubuntu 8.04. On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > Could I get some assistance? When I try to do some on-line banking, > Firefox 3.0.8 just disappears after a while. When I ran it from a > terminal and tried it, it said /usr/lib/firefox-3.0.8/run-mozilla.sh had > a segmentation fault at line 131, or perhaps whatever "$prog" ${1+"$@"} > is had the seg fault. It happens consistently. It happens whether I > put in my real username or gibberish. I probably used Firefox 3.0.7 the > last time I logged on at the bank. If those of you using Firefox 3.0.8 > could try logging in and report the results, I would appreciate it. > > The website is > > https://www4.bankofamerica.com/index.jsp?page_msg=lasalle > > and you can try it with any made-up username. No password is needed on > that page, just a username and a state. It seems to try to load another > page, then Firefox disappears for me. If you get a page where you can > enter a password, or an error message saying the state and username > combo is unknown, you got further than I can. > > If you could let me know how it goes for you, I would appreciate it. I > was able to get Konqueror to work and completed my banking, although it > crashed a few times before being successful, so maybe the bank changed > something that causes the problem for us lucky users of "alternative" > operating systems. That's what I hope to determine. Thanks for your help. > -- > > Chick > > > > -- > > Chick > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I > temporarily allowed bankofamerica with noscript, and I'm running > > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.0.8) Gecko/2009033112 > Gentoo Firefox/3.0.8 > > --Brent From psmith.gllug at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 07:51:31 2009 From: psmith.gllug at gmail.com (Peter Smith) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 07:51:31 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon Newshttps://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&ik=2df1002609&view=tl&search=inbox&fs=1&start=0#drafts/120740ceaa3733df Message-ID: <12df8d4f0904140451i5e5c0331w854eedc646242e26@mail.gmail.com> I was going to save my meeting report for AFTER the April 9th GLLUG meeting, but since I'm missed that one with about a day's notice, I started up this post, and then, well, life happens Apparently there's some students from ITT Tech who were looking to volunteer in some fashion that would make use of their technical skills. Matt sent a query out my way to see if we could use them in the Lounge; things were busy last week, no time to chatter at anyone since I didn't get there till 7 and had to leave at 9, but I did tell him that we'd more than likely gladly take them on to help out during the Con...that we had setup and breakdown covered pretty well...but that their technical skills probably wouldn't be tested very well. :) I also told him that we were still waiting for a solid Event Schedule before we finished our internal volunteer schedule. That didn't seem to be grokked very well, as a somewhat odd message came out with the volunteer info to this list yesterday, expressing confusion over how things are going with our volunteer work. I assume we're not going to see any sort of Drupal module to do volunteer signup, so Charles is back to his tried and true manual methods. :) Poked the treasurer girl with the list of people at the meeting, and got cheques written for everyone's refund from last year. About half the people here got back to me with amounts, and everyone seemed to be at the $35 level, so, that's what I fetched for everyone. At the door registration is $50, and I'll find out if they'll take their own cheques back as part of it for anyone who hasn't registered yet, and didn't sign up for this year's reg with their wuffies from last year; if you're in that boat, give me a shout so I can make sure to check at the last ConCom meeting before the convention itself (the weekend before). I'll open up another thread about the timetable for the Con itself; I know there's a bit of chatter about the convoy, but timing is a bit worse than last year for access, and a bit tighter, so it all deserves a thread. -- Peter Smith psmith.gllug at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Just copy them onto the USB hard drive and share. From c.e.tower at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 23:35:24 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 23:35:24 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Appetizer Party April 16th In-Reply-To: <80324a260904131725m45864d81t2ccf66c39fad9f69@mail.gmail.com> References: <80324a260904131725m45864d81t2ccf66c39fad9f69@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49E555FC.8040907@gmail.com> Should we ask for the Singer party, or what? Chick David Singer wrote: > I confirmed our reservation for April 16th at the Iris Pub in the > Eastwood town center. 6:30 - 8:30pm (though I am sure we can stay longer > if people want to).... From mortel at cyber-nos.com Wed Apr 15 15:46:41 2009 From: mortel at cyber-nos.com (Stanley C. Mortel) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:46:41 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon Camp Unix Message-ID: <49E639A1.6060404@cyber-nos.com> This may have been discussed before and I missed it, but Craig Maloney has part 2 of Camp Unix scheduled to be held in the Computer Lounge May 1st at 6:00. Has there been adequate communication and coordination on this? You know, will the terminals be adequate for what is to be done? Anything needed to be added to the server? Do we need to put up signs reserving the lab for his participants so the terminals are not all in use? etc. etc. Stan From rick at divinesymphony.net Wed Apr 15 23:04:12 2009 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:04:12 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon Camp Unix In-Reply-To: <49E639A1.6060404@cyber-nos.com> References: <49E639A1.6060404@cyber-nos.com> Message-ID: Without diving into those details just yet, are we even sure to have the lounge running by 6:00? If I recall, we weren't officially allowed to start setting up at the Hilton before 3:00 last year, and we had trouble getting the server running the year prior. Once the terminal server is up and going, I'd like a few configuration changes too, please: 1.) I'd like to have GnuPG available via a shell on the terminals (most all distros do that default nowdays, type "gpg" to confirm) 2.) The CAcert.org root available in the browser (many distros do that by default) 3.) The ability to print to a (non-default) CUPS server that I can provide. On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Stanley C. Mortel wrote: > This may have been discussed before and I missed it, but Craig Maloney > has part 2 of Camp Unix scheduled to be held in the Computer Lounge May > 1st at 6:00. Has there been adequate communication and coordination on > this? You know, will the terminals be adequate for what is to be done? > Anything needed to be added to the server? Do we need to put up signs > reserving the lab for his participants so the terminals are not all in > use? etc. etc. > > Stan > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090415/075364d1/attachment.html From rick at divinesymphony.net Wed Apr 15 23:06:56 2009 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:06:56 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Appetizer Party April 16th In-Reply-To: <80324a260904131725m45864d81t2ccf66c39fad9f69@mail.gmail.com> References: <80324a260904131725m45864d81t2ccf66c39fad9f69@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I just realized that this is DURING the normal meeting, not after it. Does that mean we're supposed to go to the Pub instead of CADL? On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 8:25 PM, David Singer wrote: > I confirmed our reservation for April 16th at the Iris Pub in the Eastwood > town center. 6:30 - 8:30pm (though I am sure we can stay longer if people > want to). > > > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Claddagh+Irish+Pub+Lansing&sll=40.033924,-86.285248&sspn=0.439518,0.878906&ie=UTF8&ll=42.774109,-84.53001&spn=0.055695,0.109863&z=13&iwloc=A > > There will be free appetizers for everyone. Irish meat/potatoes, artichoke > dip, and onion rings. Bring a few dollars for beer! > > -David > p.s. I confirmed with the manager there will be no sales pitch :) > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <984d708a0904160613n4bbf64ffqc17adb0f830b1d32@mail.gmail.com> You need to modify your WII to play burned discs. This can be done through software (see WII homebrew channel), or you need to buy a modchip (if you have a first gen wii). On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Chris Baty wrote: > Hi ?guys, > I love linux but I love ?my WII too. The disc for my favorite games, WII > Sports, just went bad. ?Drat. ?I ?was wondering if it's possible to make a > backup WII disc using linux? ?I've tried inserting a WII disc and my > systems ?don't even see it. ? Does any one know a hack? > Thanks. > Chris > -- > *** ?Sent from linux-users at lugwash.org ?*** ?http://www.lugwash.org > to unsubscribe: `echo "unsubscribe" | mail linux-users-request at lugwash.org` > From karl.schuttler at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 09:16:22 2009 From: karl.schuttler at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 09:16:22 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] [WLUG] [OT] Backup WII Discs?? In-Reply-To: <984d708a0904160613n4bbf64ffqc17adb0f830b1d32@mail.gmail.com> References: <984d708a0904160613n4bbf64ffqc17adb0f830b1d32@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <984d708a0904160616w1a24daf0p61f9fedfd8933298@mail.gmail.com> http://www.scribd.com/doc/7834327/Nintendo-Wii-Installing-Homebrew-and-Playing-Backed-Up-Games On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Karl Schuttler wrote: > You need to modify your WII to play burned discs. This can be done > through software (see WII homebrew channel), or you need to buy a > modchip (if you have a first gen wii). > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Chris Baty wrote: >> Hi ?guys, >> I love linux but I love ?my WII too. The disc for my favorite games, WII >> Sports, just went bad. ?Drat. ?I ?was wondering if it's possible to make a >> backup WII disc using linux? ?I've tried inserting a WII disc and my >> systems ?don't even see it. ? Does any one know a hack? >> Thanks. >> Chris >> -- >> *** ?Sent from linux-users at lugwash.org ?*** ?http://www.lugwash.org >> to unsubscribe: `echo "unsubscribe" | mail linux-users-request at lugwash.org` >> > From karl.schuttler at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 15:28:20 2009 From: karl.schuttler at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:28:20 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Frank was right: flexible cell phone Message-ID: <984d708a0904161228l56274731rd442a144e91084e1@mail.gmail.com> http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/04/16/kyocera-unveils-kinetic-flexible-oled-cell-phone/ From psmith.gllug at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 19:26:23 2009 From: psmith.gllug at gmail.com (Peter Smith) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:26:23 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Fwd: [ubuntu-us-mi] [ANNOUNCEMENT]: Jaunty Release Party - April 25th In-Reply-To: <20090417150815.GO4825@alexandria> References: <20090417150815.GO4825@alexandria> Message-ID: <12df8d4f0904171626l12650613r311fdd82d188b166@mail.gmail.com> Thought I'd bounce this to us...has someone 'ordered' any freebies of the new distro to hand out? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Greg Grossmeier Date: Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:08 AM Subject: [ubuntu-us-mi] [ANNOUNCEMENT]: Jaunty Release Party - April 25th To: Michigan Ubuntu Local Community Team This is your one-week warning for the Jaunty Release Party that will happen on April 25th! Be sure to come on out and celebrate the next great release of Ubuntu and meet new friends. And, of course, feel free to bring your friends; we're a very welcoming bunch. The details: Location: Corner Brewery in Ypsilanti [0] Time: 7pm - ??? Swag: Greg will be bringing some case badges and Ubuntu stickers for those who want them. If you need a ride, send an email to the list, I bet someone could help out. Hope to see you there! [0] http://neotech.net/ABC/index.php?site=cornerbrewery -- ubuntu-us-mi mailing list ubuntu-us-mi at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-mi -- Peter Smith psmith.gllug at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: Last diagnostic run time.doc Type: application/msword Size: 99840 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090418/2750d397/attachment-0001.doc From dg at js.com.gt Sun Apr 19 11:56:41 2009 From: dg at js.com.gt (Douglas L. Gordillo) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 11:56:41 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Web site access error & related diagnostics In-Reply-To: <49EA3F61.50903@comcast.net> References: <49EA3F61.50903@comcast.net> Message-ID: <49EB49B9.1010101@js.com.gt> Hi Frank, The MS diagnostic tool only uses connections to Microsoft to diagnose, I would think that the problem is a DNS server problem or a network problem, it would be great to have a traceroute or a nslookup result. Anyway that is the most common problem I've seen in my client networks. Douglas L. Gordillo Frank Dolinar wrote: > To everyone I talked with on Thursday and anyone else who's interested... > > My friend John was trying to access a page on my website and was > unable to do so. > Based on what he was doing, the fact that I can reach my website and > this specific page from any machine, OS, & browser that I've tried, I > don't know what his problem is. > (I've tried several machines, at home and at work, variously using > WinXP Pro SP2, Mac OS X 10.4, and Ubuntu Linux 8.04 as operating > systems and IE 6 / 7, FireFox 3.0.8, Opera 9.64 , and Safari 4.528 as > browsers. I have IE and FireFox on my XP machine at work; IE, > FireFox, Opera, and Safari on my XP machine at home, Firefox & Safari > on my MacBook, and Firefox on my Ubuntu computer at home. Had no > problem with any configuration.) > > He provided an output from a diagnostic run. If anyone identifies > some sort of smoking gun in the diagnostic data, or if you try the URL > and are unable to get in and can provide some illumination of this or > possible other problems, I'd appreciate hearing whatever you have to > offer. > > I also notice in the diagnostic data he provided that I see a lot of > references to www.microsoft.com in the text, but no reference to > www.nanosteps.net (i.e. my website). > The only thing I can think is that he's running a version of Vista and > it's blocking his access. > Is this a whitelisting problem of some sort? If so, does anyone know > how to fix it? > > As usual, any help will be much appreciated. > > Thanks, > Frank > > P.S. John's email text to me is shown below: > > --------------------------------------------- > I tried to log into http://www.nanosteps.net/~DiabologicNew.html and got a message that I could not connect to the page. I'm attaching the diagnostics. > > --------------------------------------------- > > -- > *================================================================* > * Frank Dolinar frank.dolinar at comcast.net * > * nanoSteps, LLC www.nanosteps.net * > * PO Box 886 517.351.1899 * > * East Lansing, MI 48826-0886 * > *----------------------------------------------------------------* > * Dream big, aim high, shoot for the stars... * > * and learn everything you can along the way. * > *================================================================* > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From karl.schuttler at gmail.com Sun Apr 19 12:49:04 2009 From: karl.schuttler at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 12:49:04 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] [WLUG] Re:its back, Icons and tool bars changed size. In-Reply-To: References: <838659.97741.qm@web38202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <984d708a0904190949w474b06b1peb15fba2f736bb51@mail.gmail.com> Or you could just stick a $1 fan in there to blow on the card's heatsink On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Hans Kokx wrote: > Hi Gordon, > > I've had this problem myself. ?The fan on the video card quits turning, and > the video card overheats. ?You'll get strange distortions, and perhaps > blocks of color. (In my case, I had blocks of yellow). ?Unfortunately, once > you''ve gotten to this point, there's nothing you can do but replace the > card. ?I'm not sure what Dell's warranty is like nowadays, but perhaps it's > under warranty, being only 18 months old? > > Hans > > On Apr 19, 2009, at 11:24 AM, gordonwebb1 at yahoo.com wrote: > >> Hello Jeff >> >> Thank you for taking the time to teach me. ?I am overwhelmed with all >> their is to learn about computers. >> >> If the first blue "DELL" screen has fuzzy vertical lines the system will >> not boot up to the log in screen. ?The screen just goes black. >> >> The worst thing I did was I forced the computer off by holding the button >> down when it was at about 95% of its long check last December. ?I am >> confused did this hurt my operating system, the video card, or both? >> >> The bottom of the video card had a small fan that was NOT running. >> >> This Dell inspiron 530 is only about 18 months old no one has messed with >> the hardware. >> >> After the problem happened again I looked at the video card (its the card >> with a ribbon cable coming from the monitor's connector?)and the fans. Both >> 3" black fans were running. However the bottom of the video card had a small >> fan that was not running. The capacitors all looked new. ?Cards and cables >> appeared to be pluged in correctly. >> >> I was able to run the memory test with memtest. ?When it reache 100% after >> about 20 mins I hit esc to reboot. >> >> Should I replace the vidio card with the dead fan? >> >> >> Gordon Webb >> >> --- On Sat, 4/18/09, Jeff Hanson wrote: >> >> From: Jeff Hanson >> Subject: Re: [WLUG] Re:its back, Icons and tool bars changed size. >> To: "gordon webb" >> Cc: >> linux-users at lugwash.org >> Date: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 9:23 PM >> >> On 4/17/09, gordon webb wrote: >>> >>> Hello >>> >>> >>> Previous post for this problem can be seen at: >>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1101351 >> >> Read it. >> >>> What happened to my start up, and the screen's display? >>> >> >> Wrong screen resolution. ?If set manually it's in /etc/X11/xorg.conf >> but usually it's automatic. >> >>> I am using a Ubuntu 7:10 for an operating system. >> >> It's obsolete when Jaunty (9.04) is released in a week. ?No more >> updates will be available! >> >>> The Icons on the desk top >>> are larger then they were. When I open the yahoo screen the >>> display and >> >> tool >>> >>> bars are larger then they were. Even by using ctrl+- >>> leaves the text looking >>> fuzzy. >> >> Screen resolution is determined by X.org (the graphics system) by >> communicating with the video card through the driver to find out what >> resolutions/frequencies it can handle. ?It also communicates to the >> monitor (through the video driver and video card) using the "Display >> Data Channel" which is a communication channel that is a couple of >> wires inside the video cable: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_Data_Channel >> >> It compares what the monitor can handle with what the card can handle >> and uses the best mode available. ?If the driver is not communicating >> to the video card (wrong/broken driver), or the video card can't >> connect to the monitor DDC (bad cable for instance), or the monitor is >> lying about its >> capabilities (some do) then X.org can end up with a >> poor quality display. >> >>> >>> This started after loging on once in December, it was going through the >>> long >>> check. At about 95% I hit the escape key. Nothing seemed to change >>> so I pushed >>> the computers off button. On restarting the computer it >>> came up with a box >>> saying a graphics card was not found of un >>> recognizable. At that time the pre >>> login screens, wallpaper, photos and >>> other documents look normal. >>> >> >> Did it power itself off or did you hold the button down to force it >> off? ?The latter is very naughty and will mess up most operating >> systems (Windows, OS X, Linux) depending on how the drive was >> formatted. >> >>> Then I went to the terminal and typed in code: >>> >>> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg >>> >>> At that time the above code did the trick. ?Things >> >> worked fine. >> >> Good job! >> >>> >>> Now even after typing in the above code the screen's size is still >>> diffrent. >>> Also, when trying to turn the computer on boot up takes a longer time. >>> >> >> Sounds like hardware fault. ?Check the cable and restart the system. >> Also check the video card. ?Make sure it's all the way inserted into >> its slot and the fan is working (if it has one). ?Some video cards >> require a separate power connection. ?They will work without it but at >> slow speed/low resolution. >> >>> >>> So I went back to the post mentioned above to reread the responces. >>> When I >>> came to the responce by Therion "Do you see drivers LISTED in >>> that menu >>> though? If you do you should be able to click on them to >>> activate one. ?I >>> activated "NVIDIA". ?Some times the system still takes 2 or 3 trys to >>> boot >>> corectly when turning >> >> on the computer. The screens >>> >>> size is still diffrent. >>> When trying to change the screens resolution to >>> 1024 X 768 no resolutions >>> higher then 640 x 480 are advalible for >>> selection. >> >> Really sounds like a hardware problem if the system doesn't want to >> boot. ?Check cables and fans. ?Look for bad capacitors on the >> motherboard: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague >> >> Test the memory with memtest. ?If you hit ESC when the Grub boot menu >> prompt is shown at boot you can select it from the boot list. ?Let it >> complete one complete pass. >> >>> >>> Thank you for any sugestions on what to do or check next. >> >> -- >> *** ?Sent from linux-users at lugwash.org ?*** ?http://www.lugwash.org >> to unsubscribe: `echo "unsubscribe" | mail >> linux-users-request at lugwash.org` >> -- >> *** ?Sent from linux-users at lugwash.org ?*** ?http://www.lugwash.org >> to unsubscribe: `echo "unsubscribe" | mail >> linux-users-request at lugwash.org` > > -- > *** ?Sent from linux-users at lugwash.org ?*** ?http://www.lugwash.org > to unsubscribe: `echo "unsubscribe" | mail linux-users-request at lugwash.org` > From karl.schuttler at gmail.com Sun Apr 19 12:50:26 2009 From: karl.schuttler at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 12:50:26 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] [WLUG] Re:its back, Icons and tool bars changed size. In-Reply-To: <984d708a0904190949w474b06b1peb15fba2f736bb51@mail.gmail.com> References: <838659.97741.qm@web38202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <984d708a0904190949w474b06b1peb15fba2f736bb51@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <984d708a0904190950w18263b37n64170b2062256863@mail.gmail.com> Sorry guys, wrong LUG. On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Karl Schuttler wrote: > Or you could just stick a $1 fan in there to blow on the card's heatsink > > On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Hans Kokx wrote: >> Hi Gordon, >> >> I've had this problem myself. ?The fan on the video card quits turning, and >> the video card overheats. ?You'll get strange distortions, and perhaps >> blocks of color. (In my case, I had blocks of yellow). ?Unfortunately, once >> you''ve gotten to this point, there's nothing you can do but replace the >> card. ?I'm not sure what Dell's warranty is like nowadays, but perhaps it's >> under warranty, being only 18 months old? >> >> Hans >> >> On Apr 19, 2009, at 11:24 AM, gordonwebb1 at yahoo.com wrote: >> >>> Hello Jeff >>> >>> Thank you for taking the time to teach me. ?I am overwhelmed with all >>> their is to learn about computers. >>> >>> If the first blue "DELL" screen has fuzzy vertical lines the system will >>> not boot up to the log in screen. ?The screen just goes black. >>> >>> The worst thing I did was I forced the computer off by holding the button >>> down when it was at about 95% of its long check last December. ?I am >>> confused did this hurt my operating system, the video card, or both? >>> >>> The bottom of the video card had a small fan that was NOT running. >>> >>> This Dell inspiron 530 is only about 18 months old no one has messed with >>> the hardware. >>> >>> After the problem happened again I looked at the video card (its the card >>> with a ribbon cable coming from the monitor's connector?)and the fans. Both >>> 3" black fans were running. However the bottom of the video card had a small >>> fan that was not running. The capacitors all looked new. ?Cards and cables >>> appeared to be pluged in correctly. >>> >>> I was able to run the memory test with memtest. ?When it reache 100% after >>> about 20 mins I hit esc to reboot. >>> >>> Should I replace the vidio card with the dead fan? >>> >>> >>> Gordon Webb >>> >>> --- On Sat, 4/18/09, Jeff Hanson wrote: >>> >>> From: Jeff Hanson >>> Subject: Re: [WLUG] Re:its back, Icons and tool bars changed size. >>> To: "gordon webb" >>> Cc: >>> linux-users at lugwash.org >>> Date: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 9:23 PM >>> >>> On 4/17/09, gordon webb wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello >>>> >>>> >>>> Previous post for this problem can be seen at: >>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1101351 >>> >>> Read it. >>> >>>> What happened to my start up, and the screen's display? >>>> >>> >>> Wrong screen resolution. ?If set manually it's in /etc/X11/xorg.conf >>> but usually it's automatic. >>> >>>> I am using a Ubuntu 7:10 for an operating system. >>> >>> It's obsolete when Jaunty (9.04) is released in a week. ?No more >>> updates will be available! >>> >>>> The Icons on the desk top >>>> are larger then they were. When I open the yahoo screen the >>>> display and >>> >>> tool >>>> >>>> bars are larger then they were. Even by using ctrl+- >>>> leaves the text looking >>>> fuzzy. >>> >>> Screen resolution is determined by X.org (the graphics system) by >>> communicating with the video card through the driver to find out what >>> resolutions/frequencies it can handle. ?It also communicates to the >>> monitor (through the video driver and video card) using the "Display >>> Data Channel" which is a communication channel that is a couple of >>> wires inside the video cable: >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_Data_Channel >>> >>> It compares what the monitor can handle with what the card can handle >>> and uses the best mode available. ?If the driver is not communicating >>> to the video card (wrong/broken driver), or the video card can't >>> connect to the monitor DDC (bad cable for instance), or the monitor is >>> lying about its >>> capabilities (some do) then X.org can end up with a >>> poor quality display. >>> >>>> >>>> This started after loging on once in December, it was going through the >>>> long >>>> check. At about 95% I hit the escape key. Nothing seemed to change >>>> so I pushed >>>> the computers off button. On restarting the computer it >>>> came up with a box >>>> saying a graphics card was not found of un >>>> recognizable. At that time the pre >>>> login screens, wallpaper, photos and >>>> other documents look normal. >>>> >>> >>> Did it power itself off or did you hold the button down to force it >>> off? ?The latter is very naughty and will mess up most operating >>> systems (Windows, OS X, Linux) depending on how the drive was >>> formatted. >>> >>>> Then I went to the terminal and typed in code: >>>> >>>> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg >>>> >>>> At that time the above code did the trick. ?Things >>> >>> worked fine. >>> >>> Good job! >>> >>>> >>>> Now even after typing in the above code the screen's size is still >>>> diffrent. >>>> Also, when trying to turn the computer on boot up takes a longer time. >>>> >>> >>> Sounds like hardware fault. ?Check the cable and restart the system. >>> Also check the video card. ?Make sure it's all the way inserted into >>> its slot and the fan is working (if it has one). ?Some video cards >>> require a separate power connection. ?They will work without it but at >>> slow speed/low resolution. >>> >>>> >>>> So I went back to the post mentioned above to reread the responces. >>>> When I >>>> came to the responce by Therion "Do you see drivers LISTED in >>>> that menu >>>> though? If you do you should be able to click on them to >>>> activate one. ?I >>>> activated "NVIDIA". ?Some times the system still takes 2 or 3 trys to >>>> boot >>>> corectly when turning >>> >>> on the computer. The screens >>>> >>>> size is still diffrent. >>>> When trying to change the screens resolution to >>>> 1024 X 768 no resolutions >>>> higher then 640 x 480 are advalible for >>>> selection. >>> >>> Really sounds like a hardware problem if the system doesn't want to >>> boot. ?Check cables and fans. ?Look for bad capacitors on the >>> motherboard: >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague >>> >>> Test the memory with memtest. ?If you hit ESC when the Grub boot menu >>> prompt is shown at boot you can select it from the boot list. ?Let it >>> complete one complete pass. >>> >>>> >>>> Thank you for any sugestions on what to do or check next. >>> >>> -- >>> *** ?Sent from linux-users at lugwash.org ?*** ?http://www.lugwash.org >>> to unsubscribe: `echo "unsubscribe" | mail >>> linux-users-request at lugwash.org` >>> -- >>> *** ?Sent from linux-users at lugwash.org ?*** ?http://www.lugwash.org >>> to unsubscribe: `echo "unsubscribe" | mail >>> linux-users-request at lugwash.org` >> >> -- >> *** ?Sent from linux-users at lugwash.org ?*** ?http://www.lugwash.org >> to unsubscribe: `echo "unsubscribe" | mail linux-users-request at lugwash.org` >> > From rick at divinesymphony.net Sun Apr 19 15:01:49 2009 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:01:49 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Web site access error & related diagnostics In-Reply-To: <49EB49B9.1010101@js.com.gt> References: <49EA3F61.50903@comcast.net> <49EB49B9.1010101@js.com.gt> Message-ID: I agree. I suspect a traceroute output will be the most useful information you could get here. It could also be a client-side firewall or SSL problem as well. If the traceroute doesn't show a general IP level error, I'd suggest repeating the connection attempt with any non-MS firewall disabled (ex. Norton Internet Security, etc.). I suggest you also get the client-IP (from one of the what's my IP sites) and cross-reference server logs to see if you're seeing any traffic on the website. On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Douglas L. Gordillo wrote: > Hi Frank, > > The MS diagnostic tool only uses connections to Microsoft to diagnose, I > would think that the problem is a DNS server problem or a network > problem, it would be great to have a traceroute or a nslookup result. > Anyway that is the most common problem I've seen in my client networks. > > Douglas L. Gordillo > > > > Frank Dolinar wrote: > > To everyone I talked with on Thursday and anyone else who's interested... > > > > My friend John was trying to access a page on my website and was > > unable to do so. > > Based on what he was doing, the fact that I can reach my website and > > this specific page from any machine, OS, & browser that I've tried, I > > don't know what his problem is. > > (I've tried several machines, at home and at work, variously using > > WinXP Pro SP2, Mac OS X 10.4, and Ubuntu Linux 8.04 as operating > > systems and IE 6 / 7, FireFox 3.0.8, Opera 9.64 , and Safari 4.528 as > > browsers. I have IE and FireFox on my XP machine at work; IE, > > FireFox, Opera, and Safari on my XP machine at home, Firefox & Safari > > on my MacBook, and Firefox on my Ubuntu computer at home. Had no > > problem with any configuration.) > > > > He provided an output from a diagnostic run. If anyone identifies > > some sort of smoking gun in the diagnostic data, or if you try the URL > > and are unable to get in and can provide some illumination of this or > > possible other problems, I'd appreciate hearing whatever you have to > > offer. > > > > I also notice in the diagnostic data he provided that I see a lot of > > references to www.microsoft.com in the text, but no reference to > > www.nanosteps.net (i.e. my website). > > The only thing I can think is that he's running a version of Vista and > > it's blocking his access. > > Is this a whitelisting problem of some sort? If so, does anyone know > > how to fix it? > > > > As usual, any help will be much appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Frank > > > > P.S. John's email text to me is shown below: > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > I tried to log into http://www.nanosteps.net/~DiabologicNew.htmland got a message that I could not connect to the page. I'm attaching the > diagnostics. > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > -- > > *================================================================* > > * Frank Dolinar frank.dolinar at comcast.net * > > * nanoSteps, LLC www.nanosteps.net * > > * PO Box 886 517.351.1899 * > > * East Lansing, MI 48826-0886 * > > *----------------------------------------------------------------* > > * Dream big, aim high, shoot for the stars... * > > * and learn everything you can along the way. * > > *================================================================* > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > linux-user mailing list > > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090419/b1573595/attachment-0001.html From rick at divinesymphony.net Sun Apr 19 15:06:36 2009 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:06:36 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] [WLUG] Re:its back, Icons and tool bars changed size. In-Reply-To: <984d708a0904190949w474b06b1peb15fba2f736bb51@mail.gmail.com> References: <838659.97741.qm@web38202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <984d708a0904190949w474b06b1peb15fba2f736bb51@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: If it's a high-end card (like a Geforce 6800 or something), you can replace the fan and heatsink combo for about $20-$30. Otherwise, I'd suggest picking up a new low-end Geforce (something like a 6200 or 7200 for $20-$25) that doesn't need a fan. Those little video card fans add a lot of noise to a system and nearly always fail before the hardware is obsolete. I started making my video card purchases specifically to avoid fans (even on my 7950). On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Karl Schuttler wrote: > Or you could just stick a $1 fan in there to blow on the card's heatsink > > On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Hans Kokx > wrote: > > Hi Gordon, > > > > I've had this problem myself. The fan on the video card quits turning, > and > > the video card overheats. You'll get strange distortions, and perhaps > > blocks of color. (In my case, I had blocks of yellow). Unfortunately, > once > > you''ve gotten to this point, there's nothing you can do but replace the > > card. I'm not sure what Dell's warranty is like nowadays, but perhaps > it's > > under warranty, being only 18 months old? > > > > Hans > > > > On Apr 19, 2009, at 11:24 AM, gordonwebb1 at yahoo.com wrote: > > > >> Hello Jeff > >> > >> Thank you for taking the time to teach me. I am overwhelmed with all > >> their is to learn about computers. > >> > >> If the first blue "DELL" screen has fuzzy vertical lines the system will > >> not boot up to the log in screen. The screen just goes black. > >> > >> The worst thing I did was I forced the computer off by holding the > button > >> down when it was at about 95% of its long check last December. I am > >> confused did this hurt my operating system, the video card, or both? > >> > >> The bottom of the video card had a small fan that was NOT running. > >> > >> This Dell inspiron 530 is only about 18 months old no one has messed > with > >> the hardware. > >> > >> After the problem happened again I looked at the video card (its the > card > >> with a ribbon cable coming from the monitor's connector?)and the fans. > Both > >> 3" black fans were running. However the bottom of the video card had a > small > >> fan that was not running. The capacitors all looked new. Cards and > cables > >> appeared to be pluged in correctly. > >> > >> I was able to run the memory test with memtest. When it reache 100% > after > >> about 20 mins I hit esc to reboot. > >> > >> Should I replace the vidio card with the dead fan? > >> > >> > >> Gordon Webb > >> > >> --- On Sat, 4/18/09, Jeff Hanson wrote: > >> > >> From: Jeff Hanson > >> Subject: Re: [WLUG] Re:its back, Icons and tool bars changed size. > >> To: "gordon webb" > >> Cc: > >> linux-users at lugwash.org > >> Date: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 9:23 PM > >> > >> On 4/17/09, gordon webb wrote: > >>> > >>> Hello > >>> > >>> > >>> Previous post for this problem can be seen at: > >>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1101351 > >> > >> Read it. > >> > >>> What happened to my start up, and the screen's display? > >>> > >> > >> Wrong screen resolution. If set manually it's in /etc/X11/xorg.conf > >> but usually it's automatic. > >> > >>> I am using a Ubuntu 7:10 for an operating system. > >> > >> It's obsolete when Jaunty (9.04) is released in a week. No more > >> updates will be available! > >> > >>> The Icons on the desk top > >>> are larger then they were. When I open the yahoo screen the > >>> display and > >> > >> tool > >>> > >>> bars are larger then they were. Even by using ctrl+- > >>> leaves the text looking > >>> fuzzy. > >> > >> Screen resolution is determined by X.org (the graphics system) by > >> communicating with the video card through the driver to find out what > >> resolutions/frequencies it can handle. It also communicates to the > >> monitor (through the video driver and video card) using the "Display > >> Data Channel" which is a communication channel that is a couple of > >> wires inside the video cable: > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_Data_Channel > >> > >> It compares what the monitor can handle with what the card can handle > >> and uses the best mode available. If the driver is not communicating > >> to the video card (wrong/broken driver), or the video card can't > >> connect to the monitor DDC (bad cable for instance), or the monitor is > >> lying about its > >> capabilities (some do) then X.org can end up with a > >> poor quality display. > >> > >>> > >>> This started after loging on once in December, it was going through the > >>> long > >>> check. At about 95% I hit the escape key. Nothing seemed to change > >>> so I pushed > >>> the computers off button. On restarting the computer it > >>> came up with a box > >>> saying a graphics card was not found of un > >>> recognizable. At that time the pre > >>> login screens, wallpaper, photos and > >>> other documents look normal. > >>> > >> > >> Did it power itself off or did you hold the button down to force it > >> off? The latter is very naughty and will mess up most operating > >> systems (Windows, OS X, Linux) depending on how the drive was > >> formatted. > >> > >>> Then I went to the terminal and typed in code: > >>> > >>> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg > >>> > >>> At that time the above code did the trick. Things > >> > >> worked fine. > >> > >> Good job! > >> > >>> > >>> Now even after typing in the above code the screen's size is still > >>> diffrent. > >>> Also, when trying to turn the computer on boot up takes a longer time. > >>> > >> > >> Sounds like hardware fault. Check the cable and restart the system. > >> Also check the video card. Make sure it's all the way inserted into > >> its slot and the fan is working (if it has one). Some video cards > >> require a separate power connection. They will work without it but at > >> slow speed/low resolution. > >> > >>> > >>> So I went back to the post mentioned above to reread the responces. > >>> When I > >>> came to the responce by Therion "Do you see drivers LISTED in > >>> that menu > >>> though? If you do you should be able to click on them to > >>> activate one. I > >>> activated "NVIDIA". Some times the system still takes 2 or 3 trys to > >>> boot > >>> corectly when turning > >> > >> on the computer. The screens > >>> > >>> size is still diffrent. > >>> When trying to change the screens resolution to > >>> 1024 X 768 no resolutions > >>> higher then 640 x 480 are advalible for > >>> selection. > >> > >> Really sounds like a hardware problem if the system doesn't want to > >> boot. Check cables and fans. Look for bad capacitors on the > >> motherboard: > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague > >> > >> Test the memory with memtest. If you hit ESC when the Grub boot menu > >> prompt is shown at boot you can select it from the boot list. Let it > >> complete one complete pass. > >> > >>> > >>> Thank you for any sugestions on what to do or check next. > >> > >> -- > >> *** Sent from linux-users at lugwash.org *** http://www.lugwash.org > >> to unsubscribe: `echo "unsubscribe" | mail > >> linux-users-request at lugwash.org` > >> -- > >> *** Sent from linux-users at lugwash.org *** http://www.lugwash.org > >> to unsubscribe: `echo "unsubscribe" | mail > >> linux-users-request at lugwash.org` > > > > -- > > *** Sent from linux-users at lugwash.org *** http://www.lugwash.org > > to unsubscribe: `echo "unsubscribe" | mail > linux-users-request at lugwash.org` > > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090419/47a7cc41/attachment.html From psmith.gllug at gmail.com Sun Apr 19 15:15:08 2009 From: psmith.gllug at gmail.com (Peter Smith) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:15:08 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Web site access error & related diagnostics In-Reply-To: <49EA3F61.50903@comcast.net> References: <49EA3F61.50903@comcast.net> Message-ID: <12df8d4f0904191215j4bf7007jc60e37008c98499e@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Frank Dolinar wrote: > > He provided an output from a diagnostic run. If anyone identifies some > sort of smoking gun in the diagnostic data, or if you try the URL and are > unable to get in and can provide some illumination of this or possible other > problems, I'd appreciate hearing whatever you have to offer. > > Well, yeah to what's gone before. Other tools are better. But there IS info to be had, and guesses to be made, from just this... 1. For the record, no, I don't have any problems with the URL or the site. 2. IE is set up to 'automatically detect proxy'. Turn that off if he's never using a proxy. Can do nothing but confuse things. Just uncheck everything on that 'LAN settings' screen in Internet Options. 3. First try, it returns Error 12007 // Hostname www.microsoft.com could not be resolved (Error code 0x2afc). Could be either gateway or DNS issueand then autorepairs and finds MS fine. Did he try to get out again? If you search on >> 0x2afc error << it's a maze, but many of the 'serious' problems go through a lot more steps with that MS tool than just a simple IP renewal. I'm guessing that there's a misconfiguration somewhere on his lease time. -- Peter Smith psmith.gllug at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090419/aa83fe8b/attachment.html From david at ramaboo.com Sun Apr 19 16:10:08 2009 From: david at ramaboo.com (David Singer) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:10:08 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Web site access error & related diagnostics In-Reply-To: <49EA3F61.50903@comcast.net> References: <49EA3F61.50903@comcast.net> Message-ID: <80324a260904191310q71ee688ftcdaa822c57e41e3d@mail.gmail.com> The site does NOT work for me :( You have a few DNS errors http://www.intodns.com/nanosteps.net but nothing major. You should sign up for http://www.montastic.com/ the issue may be intermittant downtime and unrelated to any browser config. for the record I am running Ubuntu 8.04 FF 3.0.8 root at sniffles:~# tracert 69.93.1.56 traceroute to 69.93.1.56 (69.93.1.56), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 AP01 (192.168.43.2) 0.811 ms 1.660 ms 1.898 ms 2 c-208-53-106-1.chrlmi.cablespeed.com (208.53.106.1) 65.149 ms 81.437 ms 81.447 ms 3 c-24-56-220-113.chrlmi.cablespeed.com (24.56.220.113) 81.444 ms 81.460 ms 81.940 ms 4 65.42.25.25 (65.42.25.25) 83.176 ms 83.545 ms * 5 * * * 6 * * * 7 * * * 8 * * * 9 * ae-6.ebr1.Chicago2.Level3.net (4.69.140.190) 21.798 ms 27.807 ms 10 * * * 11 * * * 12 * * * 13 * * * 14 * * ae-24-79.car4.Dallas1.Level3.net (4.68.19.70) 56.512 ms 15 THE-PLANET.car4.Dallas1.Level3.net (4.71.122.2) 72.155 ms 74.019 ms 80.414 ms 16 te7-2.dsr01.dllstx3.theplanet.com (70.87.253.10) 90.982 ms 97.117 ms 97.344 ms 17 76.fd.5746.static.theplanet.com (70.87.253.118) 98.313 ms 98.898 ms 99.389 ms 18 72.fe.5746.static.theplanet.com (70.87.254.114) 102.014 ms 102.308 ms 102.552 ms 19 38.1.5d45.static.theplanet.com (69.93.1.56) 113.991 ms 114.123 ms 114.384 ms root at sniffles:~# -David On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Frank Dolinar wrote: > To everyone I talked with on Thursday and anyone else who's interested... > > My friend John was trying to access a page on my website and was unable to > do so. > Based on what he was doing, the fact that I can reach my website and this > specific page from any machine, OS, & browser that I've tried, I don't know > what his problem is. > (I've tried several machines, at home and at work, variously using WinXP > Pro SP2, Mac OS X 10.4, and Ubuntu Linux 8.04 as operating systems and IE 6 > / 7, FireFox 3.0.8, Opera 9.64 , and Safari 4.528 as browsers. I have IE > and FireFox on my XP machine at work; IE, FireFox, Opera, and Safari on my > XP machine at home, Firefox & Safari on my MacBook, and Firefox on my Ubuntu > computer at home. Had no problem with any configuration.) > > He provided an output from a diagnostic run. If anyone identifies some > sort of smoking gun in the diagnostic data, or if you try the URL and are > unable to get in and can provide some illumination of this or possible other > problems, I'd appreciate hearing whatever you have to offer. > > I also notice in the diagnostic data he provided that I see a lot of > references to www.microsoft.com in the text, but no reference to > www.nanosteps.net (i.e. my website). > The only thing I can think is that he's running a version of Vista and it's > blocking his access. > Is this a whitelisting problem of some sort? If so, does anyone know how > to fix it? > > As usual, any help will be much appreciated. > > Thanks, > Frank > > P.S. John's email text to me is shown below: > > --------------------------------------------- > > I tried to log into http://www.nanosteps.net/~DiabologicNew.html and got a message that I could not connect to the page. I'm attaching the diagnostics. > > --------------------------------------------- > > -- > *================================================================* > * Frank Dolinar frank.dolinar at comcast.net * > * nanoSteps, LLC www.nanosteps.net * > * PO Box 886 517.351.1899 * > * East Lansing, MI 48826-0886 * > *----------------------------------------------------------------* > * Dream big, aim high, shoot for the stars... * > * and learn everything you can along the way. * > *================================================================* > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090419/ee729a4f/attachment-0001.html From dg at js.com.gt Sun Apr 19 17:25:16 2009 From: dg at js.com.gt (Douglas L. Gordillo) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:25:16 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Web site access error & related diagnostics In-Reply-To: <80324a260904191310q71ee688ftcdaa822c57e41e3d@mail.gmail.com> References: <49EA3F61.50903@comcast.net> <80324a260904191310q71ee688ftcdaa822c57e41e3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49EB96BC.2090302@js.com.gt> Hi, I think that the dns resolution might be the problem, name server lookup here gets me the following ip for the domain nanosteps.net (69.93.1.52). Question for David, I see that your trace route was to the address 69.93.1.56, is this the address you got from the nslookup? if so, I think that would create the problem. Here are some trace routes from my home network (suse) and from Guatemala (Win server 2000), both accessed the site without any issues. >From Guatemala: C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>tracert www.nanosteps.net Tracing route to nanosteps.net [69.93.1.52] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.0.1 2 30 ms 99 ms 99 ms 192.168.1.254 3 16 ms 15 ms 18 ms 10.17.176.1 4 17 ms 17 ms 17 ms 10.192.2.101 5 19 ms 20 ms 18 ms 10.192.2.101 6 67 ms 68 ms 67 ms ge-3-4-nmi-edge04.nwnnetwork.net [63.245.68.41] 7 66 ms 68 ms 66 ms 63.245.5.96 8 67 ms 69 ms 65 ms 63.245.5.117 9 109 ms 109 ms 109 ms xe-8-0-0.edge2.Miami1.Level3.net [4.59.84.5] 10 109 ms 107 ms 107 ms ae-31-51.ebr1.Miami1.Level3.net [4.69.138.94] 11 98 ms 103 ms 107 ms ae-2.ebr1.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.69.140.133] 12 113 ms 107 ms 107 ms ae-61-61.csw1.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.69.136.122] 13 100 ms 101 ms 101 ms ae-14-69.car4.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.68.19.6] 14 102 ms 101 ms 101 ms THE-PLANET.car4.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.71.122.2] 15 101 ms 100 ms 101 ms te7-2.dsr02.dllstx3.theplanet.com [70.87.253.26] 16 101 ms 101 ms 101 ms te1-3.dsr02.dllstx2.theplanet.com [70.87.253.122] 17 100 ms 100 ms 100 ms 76.fe.5746.static.theplanet.com [70.87.254.118] 18 101 ms 100 ms 100 ms server.vipreseller3.net [69.93.1.52] Trace complete. >From Lansing: linux-ngaq:/home/douglas # traceroute www.nanosteps.net traceroute to www.nanosteps.net (69.93.1.52), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets using UDP 1 172.16.1.1 (172.16.1.1) 1.002 ms 0.943 ms 0.956 ms 2 69-89-100-1.dhcp.acd.net (69.89.100.1) 14.872 ms 10.820 ms 14.900 ms 3 207-179-120-5.static.acd.net (207.179.120.5) 13.914 ms 14.200 ms 14.014 ms 4 69-63-234-162.static.acd.net (69.63.234.162) 19.122 ms 19.598 ms 18.282 ms 5 sl-gw38-chi-1-0-2.sprintlink.net (144.223.75.153) 34.561 ms 27.230 ms 35.668 ms 6 sl-crs2-chi-0-15-5-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.2.159) 35.564 ms 35.578 ms 30.466 ms 7 sl-st30-chi-0-2-3-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.19.182) 33.223 ms sl-st30-chi-0-12-5-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.19.236) 31.020 ms 33.237 ms 8 144.232.19.246 (144.232.19.246) 29.792 ms 27.919 ms 31.012 ms 9 The-Planet.GigabitEthernet7-3.ar2.DAL2.gblx.net (64.208.170.198) 55.393 ms 52.982 ms 48.035 ms 10 te7-2.dsr01.dllstx3.theplanet.com (70.87.253.10) 46.899 ms te7-2.dsr02.dllstx3.theplanet.com (70.87.253.26) 47.065 ms te9-2.dsr02.dllstx3.theplanet.com (70.87.253.30) 50.015 ms 11 te1-3.dsr02.dllstx2.theplanet.com (70.87.253.122) 50.862 ms 51.181 ms 45.229 ms 12 76.fe.5746.static.theplanet.com (70.87.254.118) 48.816 ms 72.fe.5746.static.theplanet.com (70.87.254.114) 53.183 ms 52.887 ms 13 server.vipreseller3.net (69.93.1.52) 52.906 ms 51.184 ms 51.003 ms Douglas Gordillo David Singer wrote: > The site does NOT work for me :( > > You have a few DNS errors http://www.intodns.com/nanosteps.net but > nothing major. > > > You should sign up for http://www.montastic.com/ the issue may be > intermittant downtime and unrelated to any browser config. for the > record I am running Ubuntu 8.04 FF 3.0.8 > > root at sniffles:~# tracert 69.93.1.56 > traceroute to 69.93.1.56 (69.93.1.56), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets > 1 AP01 (192.168.43.2) 0.811 ms 1.660 ms 1.898 ms > 2 c-208-53-106-1.chrlmi.cablespeed.com > (208.53.106.1) 65.149 > ms 81.437 ms 81.447 ms > 3 c-24-56-220-113.chrlmi.cablespeed.com > (24.56.220.113) 81.444 > ms 81.460 ms 81.940 ms > 4 65.42.25.25 (65.42.25.25) 83.176 ms 83.545 ms * > 5 * * * > 6 * * * > 7 * * * > 8 * * * > 9 * ae-6.ebr1.Chicago2.Level3.net > (4.69.140.190) 21.798 ms > 27.807 ms > 10 * * * > 11 * * * > 12 * * * > 13 * * * > 14 * * ae-24-79.car4.Dallas1.Level3.net > (4.68.19.70) 56.512 ms > 15 THE-PLANET.car4.Dallas1.Level3.net > (4.71.122.2) 72.155 ms > 74.019 ms 80.414 ms > 16 te7-2.dsr01.dllstx3.theplanet.com > (70.87.253.10) 90.982 ms > 97.117 ms 97.344 ms > 17 76.fd.5746.static.theplanet.com > (70.87.253.118) 98.313 ms > 98.898 ms 99.389 ms > 18 72.fe.5746.static.theplanet.com > (70.87.254.114) 102.014 ms > 102.308 ms 102.552 ms > 19 38.1.5d45.static.theplanet.com > (69.93.1.56) 113.991 ms > 114.123 ms 114.384 ms > root at sniffles:~# > > -David > > On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Frank Dolinar > > wrote: > > To everyone I talked with on Thursday and anyone else who's > interested... > > My friend John was trying to access a page on my website and was > unable to do so. > Based on what he was doing, the fact that I can reach my website > and this specific page from any machine, OS, & browser that I've > tried, I don't know what his problem is. > (I've tried several machines, at home and at work, variously using > WinXP Pro SP2, Mac OS X 10.4, and Ubuntu Linux 8.04 as operating > systems and IE 6 / 7, FireFox 3.0.8, Opera 9.64 , and Safari 4.528 > as browsers. I have IE and FireFox on my XP machine at work; IE, > FireFox, Opera, and Safari on my XP machine at home, Firefox & > Safari on my MacBook, and Firefox on my Ubuntu computer at home. > Had no problem with any configuration.) > > He provided an output from a diagnostic run. If anyone identifies > some sort of smoking gun in the diagnostic data, or if you try the > URL and are unable to get in and can provide some illumination of > this or possible other problems, I'd appreciate hearing whatever > you have to offer. > > I also notice in the diagnostic data he provided that I see a lot > of references to www.microsoft.com in > the text, but no reference to www.nanosteps.net > (i.e. my website). > The only thing I can think is that he's running a version of Vista > and it's blocking his access. > Is this a whitelisting problem of some sort? If so, does anyone > know how to fix it? > > As usual, any help will be much appreciated. > > Thanks, > Frank > > P.S. John's email text to me is shown below: > > --------------------------------------------- > > I tried to log into http://www.nanosteps.net/~DiabologicNew.html and got a message that I could not connect to the page. I'm attaching the diagnostics. > > > --------------------------------------------- > > -- > *================================================================* > * Frank Dolinar frank.dolinar at comcast.net * > * nanoSteps, LLC www.nanosteps.net * > * PO Box 886 517.351.1899 * > * East Lansing, MI 48826-0886 * > *----------------------------------------------------------------* > * Dream big, aim high, shoot for the stars... * > * and learn everything you can along the way. * > *================================================================* > > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From david at ramaboo.com Sun Apr 19 17:52:56 2009 From: david at ramaboo.com (David Singer) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:52:56 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Web site access error & related diagnostics - FOUND PROBLEM Message-ID: <80324a260904191452h72dc2f0t76617141d4e59c4f@mail.gmail.com> First off sniffles (208.53.106.220) is my home computer, nibbles(207.179.127.36 - 207.179.127.46) is my VPS computer hosted by freedombi.com: As you can see from the results bellow the problem appears to be with your second DNS (ns2) server blocking access from some IP addresses. david at sniffles:~$ nslookup nanosteps.net ns1.cesconetto.com Server:??? ??? ns1.cesconetto.com Address:??? 69.93.1.55#53 Name:??? nanosteps.net Address: 69.93.1.52 david at sniffles:~$ nslookup nanosteps.net ns2.cesconetto.com nslookup: couldn't get address for 'ns2.cesconetto.com': not found david at sniffles:~$ root at nibbles:~# nslookup nanosteps.net ns1.cesconetto.com Server:??? ??? ns1.cesconetto.com Address:??? 69.93.1.55#53 Name:??? nanosteps.net Address: 69.93.1.52 root at nibbles:~# nslookup nanosteps.net ns2.cesconetto.com Server:??? ??? ns2.cesconetto.com Address:??? 69.93.1.56#53 Name:??? nanosteps.net Address: 69.93.1.52 root at nibbles:~# david at sniffles:~$ ping ns2.cesconetto.com TIMEOUT david at sniffles:~$ ping ns1.cesconetto.com PING ns1.cesconetto.com (69.93.1.55) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 37.1.5d45.static.theplanet.com (69.93.1.55): icmp_seq=1 ttl=48 time=69.5 ms --- ns1.cesconetto.com ping statistics --- 2 packets transmitted, 1 received, 50% packet loss, time 1000ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 69.514/69.514/69.514/0.000 ms david at sniffles:~$ root at nibbles:~# ping ns1.cesconetto.com PING ns1.cesconetto.com (69.93.1.55) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 37.1.5d45.static.theplanet.com (69.93.1.55): icmp_seq=1 ttl=52 time=36.3 ms --- ns1.cesconetto.com ping statistics --- 1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 36.340/36.340/36.340/0.000 ms root at nibbles:~# ping ns2.cesconetto.com PING ns2.cesconetto.com (69.93.1.56) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 38.1.5d45.static.theplanet.com (69.93.1.56): icmp_seq=1 ttl=52 time=36.3 ms 64 bytes from 38.1.5d45.static.theplanet.com (69.93.1.56): icmp_seq=2 ttl=52 time=36.4 ms --- ns2.cesconetto.com ping statistics --- 2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1003ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 36.327/36.383/36.440/0.198 ms root at nibbles:~# root at sniffles:~# nslookup nanosteps.net ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached root at sniffles:~# however intodns gives me 69.93.1.52 and my VPS box says david at nibbles:~$ ping nanosteps.net PING nanosteps.net (69.93.1.52) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from server.vipreseller3.net (69.93.1.52): icmp_seq=1 ttl=52 time=36.4 ms 64 bytes from server.vipreseller3.net (69.93.1.52): icmp_seq=2 ttl=52 time=36.2 ms --- nanosteps.net ping statistics --- 2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 999ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 36.266/36.380/36.494/0.114 ms david at nibbles:~$ nslookup nanosteps.net Server:??? ??? 207.179.93.132 Address:??? 207.179.93.132#53 Non-authoritative answer: Name:??? nanosteps.net Address: 69.93.1.52 root at nibbles:~# tracert nanosteps.net traceroute to nanosteps.net (69.93.1.52), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets ?1? ramaboo.com (207.179.127.33)? 0.386 ms? 0.339 ms? 0.349 ms ?2? 207.179.93.129 (207.179.93.129)? 1.977 ms? 2.324 ms? 2.916 ms ?3? 69-63-234-133.static.acd.net (69.63.234.133)? 1.496 ms? 1.333 ms? 1.327 ms ?4? 12.124.15.165 (12.124.15.165)? 4.297 ms? 4.140 ms? 3.979 ms ?5? cr82.dtrmi.ip.att.net (12.122.102.94)? 36.738 ms? 36.576 ms? 36.141 ms ?6? cr1.cl2oh.ip.att.net (12.123.139.153)? 35.821 ms? 35.686 ms? 35.653 ms ?7? cr2.nsvtn.ip.att.net (12.122.28.73)? 35.716 ms? 35.817 ms? 35.879 ms ?8? cr2.dlstx.ip.att.net (12.122.28.66)? 36.719 ms? 36.552 ms? 36.335 ms ?9? gar10.dlstx.ip.att.net (12.122.138.121)? 35.339 ms? 35.879 ms? 35.693 ms 10? 12.87.41.150 (12.87.41.150)? 35.720 ms? 35.558 ms? 35.592 ms 11? 76.fd.5746.static.theplanet.com (70.87.253.118)? 36.007 ms? 36.100 ms? 36.162 ms 12? 72.fe.5746.static.theplanet.com (70.87.254.114)? 36.973 ms? 37.662 ms? 37.665 ms 13? server.vipreseller3.net (69.93.1.52)? 37.270 ms? 36.094 ms? 35.901 ms root at nibbles:~# I am not sure where i got 69.93.1.56 from before since i closed that terminal. David On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Douglas L. Gordillo wrote: > > Hi, > > I think that the dns resolution might be the problem, name server lookup > here gets me the following ip for the domain nanosteps.net (69.93.1.52). > > Question for David, I see that your trace route was to the address > 69.93.1.56, is this the address you got from the nslookup? if so, I > think that would create the problem. > > Here are some trace routes from my home network (suse) and from > Guatemala (Win server 2000), both accessed the site without any issues. > > >From Guatemala: > C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>tracert www.nanosteps.net > > Tracing route to nanosteps.net [69.93.1.52] > over a maximum of 30 hops: > > ?1 ? ? 1 ms ? ? 1 ms ? ? 1 ms ?192.168.0.1 > ?2 ? ?30 ms ? ?99 ms ? ?99 ms ?192.168.1.254 > ?3 ? ?16 ms ? ?15 ms ? ?18 ms ?10.17.176.1 > ?4 ? ?17 ms ? ?17 ms ? ?17 ms ?10.192.2.101 > ?5 ? ?19 ms ? ?20 ms ? ?18 ms ?10.192.2.101 > ?6 ? ?67 ms ? ?68 ms ? ?67 ms ?ge-3-4-nmi-edge04.nwnnetwork.net > [63.245.68.41] > > ?7 ? ?66 ms ? ?68 ms ? ?66 ms ?63.245.5.96 > ?8 ? ?67 ms ? ?69 ms ? ?65 ms ?63.245.5.117 > ?9 ? 109 ms ? 109 ms ? 109 ms ?xe-8-0-0.edge2.Miami1.Level3.net > [4.59.84.5] > ?10 ? 109 ms ? 107 ms ? 107 ms ?ae-31-51.ebr1.Miami1.Level3.net > [4.69.138.94] > ?11 ? ?98 ms ? 103 ms ? 107 ms ?ae-2.ebr1.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.69.140.133] > ?12 ? 113 ms ? 107 ms ? 107 ms ?ae-61-61.csw1.Dallas1.Level3.net > [4.69.136.122] > > ?13 ? 100 ms ? 101 ms ? 101 ms ?ae-14-69.car4.Dallas1.Level3.net > [4.68.19.6] > ?14 ? 102 ms ? 101 ms ? 101 ms ?THE-PLANET.car4.Dallas1.Level3.net > [4.71.122.2] > > ?15 ? 101 ms ? 100 ms ? 101 ms ?te7-2.dsr02.dllstx3.theplanet.com > [70.87.253.26] > > ?16 ? 101 ms ? 101 ms ? 101 ms ?te1-3.dsr02.dllstx2.theplanet.com > [70.87.253.122] > ?17 ? 100 ms ? 100 ms ? 100 ms ?76.fe.5746.static.theplanet.com > [70.87.254.118] > > ?18 ? 101 ms ? 100 ms ? 100 ms ?server.vipreseller3.net [69.93.1.52] > > Trace complete. > > >From Lansing: > linux-ngaq:/home/douglas # traceroute www.nanosteps.net > traceroute to www.nanosteps.net (69.93.1.52), 30 hops max, 40 byte > packets using UDP > ?1 ?172.16.1.1 (172.16.1.1) ?1.002 ms ? 0.943 ms ? 0.956 ms > ?2 ?69-89-100-1.dhcp.acd.net (69.89.100.1) ?14.872 ms ? 10.820 ms > 14.900 ms > ?3 ?207-179-120-5.static.acd.net (207.179.120.5) ?13.914 ms ? 14.200 > ms ? 14.014 ms > ?4 ?69-63-234-162.static.acd.net (69.63.234.162) ?19.122 ms ? 19.598 > ms ? 18.282 ms > ?5 ?sl-gw38-chi-1-0-2.sprintlink.net (144.223.75.153) ?34.561 ms > 27.230 ms ? 35.668 ms > ?6 ?sl-crs2-chi-0-15-5-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.2.159) ?35.564 ms > 35.578 ms ? 30.466 ms > ?7 ?sl-st30-chi-0-2-3-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.19.182) ?33.223 ms > sl-st30-chi-0-12-5-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.19.236) ?31.020 ms ? 33.237 ms > ?8 ?144.232.19.246 (144.232.19.246) ?29.792 ms ? 27.919 ms ? 31.012 ms > ?9 ?The-Planet.GigabitEthernet7-3.ar2.DAL2.gblx.net (64.208.170.198) > 55.393 ms ? 52.982 ms ? 48.035 ms > 10 ?te7-2.dsr01.dllstx3.theplanet.com (70.87.253.10) ?46.899 ms > te7-2.dsr02.dllstx3.theplanet.com (70.87.253.26) ?47.065 ms > te9-2.dsr02.dllstx3.theplanet.com (70.87.253.30) ?50.015 ms > 11 ?te1-3.dsr02.dllstx2.theplanet.com (70.87.253.122) ?50.862 ms > 51.181 ms ? 45.229 ms > 12 ?76.fe.5746.static.theplanet.com (70.87.254.118) ?48.816 ms > 72.fe.5746.static.theplanet.com (70.87.254.114) ?53.183 ms ? 52.887 ms > 13 ?server.vipreseller3.net (69.93.1.52) ?52.906 ms ? 51.184 ms ? 51.003 ms > > > Douglas Gordillo > > David Singer wrote: > > The site does NOT work for me :( > > > > You have a few DNS errors http://www.intodns.com/nanosteps.net but > > nothing major. > > > > > > You should sign up for http://www.montastic.com/ the issue may be > > intermittant downtime and unrelated to any browser config. for the > > record I am running Ubuntu 8.04 FF 3.0.8 > > > > root at sniffles:~# tracert 69.93.1.56 > > traceroute to 69.93.1.56 (69.93.1.56), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets > > ?1 ?AP01 (192.168.43.2) ?0.811 ms ?1.660 ms ?1.898 ms > > ?2 ?c-208-53-106-1.chrlmi.cablespeed.com > > (208.53.106.1) ?65.149 > > ms ?81.437 ms ?81.447 ms > > ?3 ?c-24-56-220-113.chrlmi.cablespeed.com > > (24.56.220.113) ?81.444 > > ms ?81.460 ms ?81.940 ms > > ?4 ?65.42.25.25 (65.42.25.25) ?83.176 ms ?83.545 ms * > > ?5 ?* * * > > ?6 ?* * * > > ?7 ?* * * > > ?8 ?* * * > > ?9 ?* ae-6.ebr1.Chicago2.Level3.net > > (4.69.140.190) ?21.798 ms > > 27.807 ms > > 10 ?* * * > > 11 ?* * * > > 12 ?* * * > > 13 ?* * * > > 14 ?* * ae-24-79.car4.Dallas1.Level3.net > > (4.68.19.70) ?56.512 ms > > 15 ?THE-PLANET.car4.Dallas1.Level3.net > > (4.71.122.2) ?72.155 ms > > 74.019 ms ?80.414 ms > > 16 ?te7-2.dsr01.dllstx3.theplanet.com > > (70.87.253.10) ?90.982 ms > > 97.117 ms ?97.344 ms > > 17 ?76.fd.5746.static.theplanet.com > > (70.87.253.118) ?98.313 ms > > 98.898 ms ?99.389 ms > > 18 ?72.fe.5746.static.theplanet.com > > (70.87.254.114) ?102.014 ms > > 102.308 ms ?102.552 ms > > 19 ?38.1.5d45.static.theplanet.com > > (69.93.1.56) ?113.991 ms > > 114.123 ms ?114.384 ms > > root at sniffles:~# > > > > -David > > > > On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Frank Dolinar > > > wrote: > > > > ? ? To everyone I talked with on Thursday and anyone else who's > > ? ? interested... > > > > ? ? My friend John was trying to access a page on my website and was > > ? ? unable to do so. > > ? ? Based on what he was doing, the fact that I can reach my website > > ? ? and this specific page from any machine, OS, & browser that I've > > ? ? tried, I don't know what his problem is. > > ? ? (I've tried several machines, at home and at work, variously using > > ? ? WinXP Pro SP2, Mac OS X 10.4, and Ubuntu Linux 8.04 as operating > > ? ? systems and IE 6 / 7, FireFox 3.0.8, Opera 9.64 , and Safari 4.528 > > ? ? as browsers. ?I have IE and FireFox on my XP machine at work; IE, > > ? ? FireFox, Opera, and Safari on my XP machine at home, Firefox & > > ? ? Safari on my MacBook, and Firefox on my Ubuntu computer at home. > > ? ? Had no problem with any configuration.) > > > > ? ? He provided an output from a diagnostic run. ?If anyone identifies > > ? ? some sort of smoking gun in the diagnostic data, or if you try the > > ? ? URL and are unable to get in and can provide some illumination of > > ? ? this or possible other problems, I'd appreciate hearing whatever > > ? ? you have to offer. > > > > ? ? I also notice in the diagnostic data he provided that I see a lot > > ? ? of references to ?www.microsoft.com ?in > > ? ? the text, but no reference to ?www.nanosteps.net > > ? ? ?(i.e. my website). > > ? ? The only thing I can think is that he's running a version of Vista > > ? ? and it's blocking his access. > > ? ? Is this a whitelisting problem of some sort? ?If so, does anyone > > ? ? know how to fix it? > > > > ? ? As usual, any help will be much appreciated. > > > > ? ? Thanks, > > ? ? Frank > > > > ? ? P.S. John's email text to me is shown below: > > > > ? ? --------------------------------------------- > > > > ? ? I tried to log into http://www.nanosteps.net/~DiabologicNew.html and got a message that I could not connect to the page. I'm attaching the diagnostics. > > > > > > ? ? --------------------------------------------- > > > > ? ? -- > > ? ? *================================================================* > > ? ? * ?Frank Dolinar ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? frank.dolinar at comcast.net * > > ? ? * ?nanoSteps, LLC ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?www.nanosteps.net * > > ? ? * ?PO Box 886 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 517.351.1899 * > > ? ? * ?East Lansing, MI 48826-0886 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? * > > ? ? *----------------------------------------------------------------* > > ? ? * ? ? ? ? ?Dream big, aim high, shoot for the stars... ? ? ? ? ? * > > ? ? * ? ? ? ? ?and learn everything you can along the way. ? ? ? ? ? * > > ? ? *================================================================* > > > > > > > > ? ? _______________________________________________ > > ? ? linux-user mailing list > > ? ? linux-user at egr.msu.edu > > ? ? http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > linux-user mailing list > > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From charles at bityard.net Sun Apr 19 20:09:15 2009 From: charles at bityard.net (charles at bityard.net) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:09:15 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Final call for lounge volunteers Message-ID: <8a644230a4e332f029681001edfd1542@bityard.net> Hey everyone, Sorry I've been a bit dormant for the past week or so. Real Life has been kicking the crap out of me lately. I've just sent an email to everyone who has thus far contacted me about volunteering in the computer lounge. The list, unfortunately, it not particularly long. At this point, I'm not completely sure that we'll have enough volunteers to also have a Tech Penguin during the day so the Security Daemon slots will be filled first. If you haven't heard from me but are still interested in volunteering your time, please take a look at the semi-official event schedule (http://penguicon.org/events.php) and tell me: 1) How many hours you would like to volunteer, and 2) which blocks of time that you would prefer to volunteer. Remember that you get 1 Wuffie for every hour of volunteer work. Wuffie can be exchanged for lots of cool stuff, including registration reimbursement: http://penguicon.org/volunteer.php If you'd like to volunteer, please get back to me by the afternoon of Friday, April 24. That's when I will be putting the finishing touches on the volunteer schedule. Thanks, Charles -- http://bityard.net From charles at bityard.net Sun Apr 19 21:05:19 2009 From: charles at bityard.net (charles at bityard.net) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 21:05:19 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] one more thing Message-ID: I forgot to mention that we will start setting up the lounge at 2PM on Friday. Teardown will begin at 12PM on Sunday. I anticipate about 2 hours for each, and the volunteer schedule doesn't include those times. If you want to help with setup and teardown (and we will certainly need your help), no pre-arrangements are required. Just show up. In order to qualify for Wuffie during setup and teardown, you'll probably want to track me down so that I know you're there. Thanks! Charles -- http://bityard.net From charles at bityard.net Sun Apr 19 21:16:59 2009 From: charles at bityard.net (charles at bityard.net) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 21:16:59 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] one final thing Message-ID: I have a room at Penguicon that should have adequate space for four people. I did have a full roster, but two people backed out. If you want a place to crash and would like to pay far less than the full price of the room, let me know. With 4 people, we can get the price down to around $50 per person for the whole weekend. Room is non-smoking and will be in a designated quiet area. Charles -- http://bityard.net From clay at lazarusid.com Sun Apr 19 22:57:17 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 22:57:17 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Burnbox & Beer progress Message-ID: <49EBE48D.4010309@lazarusid.com> Busy weekend getting ready for Penguicon. All of the beer is now in kegs. The two beers we made back in February both have very full kegs, which means they absorb CO2 much more slowly. That's okay, because the style for both beers is for lower CO2. Just the same, I'll keep them under gas until Penguicon, so they'll be better carbonated for the party. I started assembly of the bar. It will keep the kegs and gas equipment out of sight and out of harm's way, and make a decent pouring surface. The structure can be broken down without tools, and it will fit in the back seat of my car. I'll finish it with spar urethane, the same finish they use for boats, so when we spill beer it won't stain or damage anything. Finally, the burnbox is nearly ready to go, but I'll probably be poking at it throughout the week. The hardware is assembled, OS is installed, and I have images for Ubuntu 8.10, FreeBSD 7.1 and OpenBSD 4.4. It wants some software and configuration tweaks, and there are some problems with error handling. I would like to know what people want to see for images on the box. There are a couple of factors though: 1. I have no interest in downloading every obscure Linux distro under the sun. We have one good distro that will fill the needs of 90% of our guests, so I don't want to waste my time downloading a bunch of extra stuff that won't get used by more than one person. 2. Rescue CDs are good, but we don't need a dozen of them. 3. A CD full of open source software for Windows would be nice to have. If somebody could point me to a good distro I would like that. From rick at divinesymphony.net Mon Apr 20 00:12:17 2009 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:12:17 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Burnbox & Beer progress In-Reply-To: <49EBE48D.4010309@lazarusid.com> References: <49EBE48D.4010309@lazarusid.com> Message-ID: Clay, Do we have DVD-R support this time? On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Clay Dowling wrote: > Busy weekend getting ready for Penguicon. > > All of the beer is now in kegs. The two beers we made back in February > both have very full kegs, which means they absorb CO2 much more slowly. > That's okay, because the style for both beers is for lower CO2. Just > the same, I'll keep them under gas until Penguicon, so they'll be better > carbonated for the party. > > I started assembly of the bar. It will keep the kegs and gas equipment > out of sight and out of harm's way, and make a decent pouring surface. > The structure can be broken down without tools, and it will fit in the > back seat of my car. I'll finish it with spar urethane, the same finish > they use for boats, so when we spill beer it won't stain or damage > anything. > > Finally, the burnbox is nearly ready to go, but I'll probably be poking > at it throughout the week. The hardware is assembled, OS is installed, > and I have images for Ubuntu 8.10, FreeBSD 7.1 and OpenBSD 4.4. It wants > some software and configuration tweaks, and there are some problems with > error handling. > > I would like to know what people want to see for images on the box. > There are a couple of factors though: > > 1. I have no interest in downloading every obscure Linux distro under > the sun. We have one good distro that will fill the needs of 90% of our > guests, so I don't want to waste my time downloading a bunch of extra > stuff that won't get used by more than one person. > > 2. Rescue CDs are good, but we don't need a dozen of them. > > 3. A CD full of open source software for Windows would be nice to have. > If somebody could point me to a good distro I would like that. > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090420/a1d5e711/attachment.html From marr at copper.net Mon Apr 20 01:50:48 2009 From: marr at copper.net (Marr) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 01:50:48 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Burnbox & Beer progress In-Reply-To: <49EBE48D.4010309@lazarusid.com> References: <49EBE48D.4010309@lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <200904200150.48590.marr@copper.net> On Sunday 19 April 2009 10:57:17pm Clay Dowling wrote: > I would like to know what people want to see for images on the box. > There are a couple of factors though: > 3. A CD full of open source software for Windows would be nice to have. > If somebody could point me to a good distro I would like that. Clay, I've never used it, but I had this link to "The Open Disc", which may fit the bill: http://www.theopendisc.com The "About" page says: -------------------- OpenDisc is a high quality collection of open source software (OSS) for the Microsoft Windows operating system. The two main goals of the project are: To provide a free alternative to costly software, with equal or often better quality equivalents to proprietary, shareware or freeware software for Microsoft Windows. To educate users of Linux as an operating system for home, business and educational use. The majority of programs featured on OpenDisc are also available on Linux. -------------------- This project is a "fork" of 'The Open CD' which, according to the webpage for 'The Open CD', "is no longer under active development". HTH.... Bill Marr From joelm_audion at msn.com Mon Apr 20 08:41:28 2009 From: joelm_audion at msn.com (Joel Mayer) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 08:41:28 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Burning Copies of SuSe 10.3, 11.0, and ZoneMinder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear GLLUG- I wonder if there might not be a lot of use for the following versions of Linux: SuSe 10.3 and SuSe 11.0. As these two operating systems support one click installation of "ZoneMinder" a popular web camera control software package. What do you gentlemen think? Joel Mayer ----- Original Message ----- From: linux-user-request at egr.msu.edu To: linux-user at egr.msu.edu Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 7:00 AM Subject: linux-user Digest, Vol 72, Issue 21 Send linux-user mailing list submissions to linux-user at egr.msu.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to linux-user-request at egr.msu.edu You can reach the person managing the list at linux-user-owner at egr.msu.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of linux-user digest..." Today's Topics: 1. one final thing (charles at bityard.net) 2. Burnbox & Beer progress (Clay Dowling) 3. Re: Burnbox & Beer progress (Richard Houser) 4. Re: Burnbox & Beer progress (Marr) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 21:16:59 -0400 From: > Subject: [GLLUG] one final thing To: GLLUG > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I have a room at Penguicon that should have adequate space for four people. I did have a full roster, but two people backed out. If you want a place to crash and would like to pay far less than the full price of the room, let me know. With 4 people, we can get the price down to around $50 per person for the whole weekend. Room is non-smoking and will be in a designated quiet area. Charles -- http://bityard.net ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 22:57:17 -0400 From: Clay Dowling > Subject: [GLLUG] Burnbox & Beer progress To: "linux-user at egr.msu.edu" > Message-ID: <49EBE48D.4010309 at lazarusid.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Busy weekend getting ready for Penguicon. All of the beer is now in kegs. The two beers we made back in February both have very full kegs, which means they absorb CO2 much more slowly. That's okay, because the style for both beers is for lower CO2. Just the same, I'll keep them under gas until Penguicon, so they'll be better carbonated for the party. I started assembly of the bar. It will keep the kegs and gas equipment out of sight and out of harm's way, and make a decent pouring surface. The structure can be broken down without tools, and it will fit in the back seat of my car. I'll finish it with spar urethane, the same finish they use for boats, so when we spill beer it won't stain or damage anything. Finally, the burnbox is nearly ready to go, but I'll probably be poking at it throughout the week. The hardware is assembled, OS is installed, and I have images for Ubuntu 8.10, FreeBSD 7.1 and OpenBSD 4.4. It wants some software and configuration tweaks, and there are some problems with error handling. I would like to know what people want to see for images on the box. There are a couple of factors though: 1. I have no interest in downloading every obscure Linux distro under the sun. We have one good distro that will fill the needs of 90% of our guests, so I don't want to waste my time downloading a bunch of extra stuff that won't get used by more than one person. 2. Rescue CDs are good, but we don't need a dozen of them. 3. A CD full of open source software for Windows would be nice to have. If somebody could point me to a good distro I would like that. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:12:17 -0400 From: Richard Houser > Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Burnbox & Beer progress To: Clay Dowling > Cc: "linux-user at egr.msu.edu" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Clay, Do we have DVD-R support this time? On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Clay Dowling > wrote: > Busy weekend getting ready for Penguicon. > > All of the beer is now in kegs. The two beers we made back in February > both have very full kegs, which means they absorb CO2 much more slowly. > That's okay, because the style for both beers is for lower CO2. Just > the same, I'll keep them under gas until Penguicon, so they'll be better > carbonated for the party. > > I started assembly of the bar. It will keep the kegs and gas equipment > out of sight and out of harm's way, and make a decent pouring surface. > The structure can be broken down without tools, and it will fit in the > back seat of my car. I'll finish it with spar urethane, the same finish > they use for boats, so when we spill beer it won't stain or damage > anything. > > Finally, the burnbox is nearly ready to go, but I'll probably be poking > at it throughout the week. The hardware is assembled, OS is installed, > and I have images for Ubuntu 8.10, FreeBSD 7.1 and OpenBSD 4.4. It wants > some software and configuration tweaks, and there are some problems with > error handling. > > I would like to know what people want to see for images on the box. > There are a couple of factors though: > > 1. I have no interest in downloading every obscure Linux distro under > the sun. We have one good distro that will fill the needs of 90% of our > guests, so I don't want to waste my time downloading a bunch of extra > stuff that won't get used by more than one person. > > 2. Rescue CDs are good, but we don't need a dozen of them. > > 3. A CD full of open source software for Windows would be nice to have. > If somebody could point me to a good distro I would like that. > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090420/a1d5e711/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 01:50:48 -0400 From: Marr > Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Burnbox & Beer progress To: linux-user at egr.msu.edu, Clay Dowling > Message-ID: <200904200150.48590.marr at copper.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On Sunday 19 April 2009 10:57:17pm Clay Dowling wrote: > I would like to know what people want to see for images on the box. > There are a couple of factors though: > 3. A CD full of open source software for Windows would be nice to have. > If somebody could point me to a good distro I would like that. Clay, I've never used it, but I had this link to "The Open Disc", which may fit the bill: http://www.theopendisc.com The "About" page says: -------------------- OpenDisc is a high quality collection of open source software (OSS) for the Microsoft Windows operating system. The two main goals of the project are: To provide a free alternative to costly software, with equal or often better quality equivalents to proprietary, shareware or freeware software for Microsoft Windows. To educate users of Linux as an operating system for home, business and educational use. The majority of programs featured on OpenDisc are also available on Linux. -------------------- This project is a "fork" of 'The Open CD' which, according to the webpage for 'The Open CD', "is no longer under active development". HTH.... Bill Marr ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user at egr.msu.edu http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user End of linux-user Digest, Vol 72, Issue 21 ****************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090420/51d04893/attachment.html From psmith.gllug at gmail.com Mon Apr 20 09:18:30 2009 From: psmith.gllug at gmail.com (Peter Smith) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:18:30 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Burnbox & Beer progress In-Reply-To: <49EBE48D.4010309@lazarusid.com> References: <49EBE48D.4010309@lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <12df8d4f0904200618p286304a5o30509af420ee9d30@mail.gmail.com> Ubuntu 8.10....hrm...I was thinking 8.04 LTS and 9.04, assuming the latter is released on time on April 23rd, 2009. FreeBSD 7.2 will start being released on May 1; if I can poke and get an image by then, I'll drop it on something and bring it along; we'll see if RC2 comes out today. I'll leave other distros up to their respective evangelists... are there any 'simple user friendly' distros that anyone likes? I had in mind something like the PC-BSD variant of FreeBSD (http://www.pcbsd.org/), but I haven't touched anything else to make any recommendations. Something that runs well as a Live CD (DVD, ooh) might be nice as well. -- Peter Smith psmith.gllug at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090420/801ed5f0/attachment-0001.html From clay at lazarusid.com Mon Apr 20 09:38:28 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 08:38:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Burnbox & Beer progress In-Reply-To: References: <49EBE48D.4010309@lazarusid.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Apr 2009, Richard Houser wrote: > Clay, > > Do we have DVD-R support this time? > DVD-R is supported in this machine, in that we now have a drive. Of the distros that I've installed, only FreeBSD has a DVD iso though. Clay From clay at lazarusid.com Mon Apr 20 09:42:14 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 08:42:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Burning Copies of SuSe 10.3, 11.0, and ZoneMinder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I wonder if there might not be a lot of use for the following versions of > Linux: SuSe 10.3 and SuSe 11.0. As these two operating systems support > one click installation of "ZoneMinder" a popular web camera control > software package. What do you gentlemen think? > > Joel Mayer I think two things: 1. Top quoting is bad. 2. Trimming your quotes would be appreciated. It's not necessary to include the entire digest just to respond to one part of one message. Clay From clay at lazarusid.com Mon Apr 20 09:49:16 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 08:49:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Burnbox & Beer progress In-Reply-To: <12df8d4f0904200618p286304a5o30509af420ee9d30@mail.gmail.com> References: <49EBE48D.4010309@lazarusid.com> <12df8d4f0904200618p286304a5o30509af420ee9d30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Apr 2009, Peter Smith wrote: > Ubuntu 8.10....hrm...I was thinking 8.04 LTS and 9.04, assuming the latter > is released on time on April 23rd, 2009. FreeBSD 7.2 will start being > released on May 1; if I can poke and get an image by then, I'll drop it on > something and bring it along; we'll see if RC2 comes out today. I went with 8.10 just because it's the current release. It's a good fallback in the event that 9.04 isn't available by the day before. I'm not really feeling the 8.04 thing. Nothing against it, it's just that I'll already have six Ubuntu ISOs on the box. The latest FreeBSD would be good, but as of May 1 I consider the images final. The box gets packed Thursday night (April 30) and the next day I have other priorities. Get me media to me on the 30th and I'll try to get it installed. Clay From charles at bityard.net Mon Apr 20 12:33:14 2009 From: charles at bityard.net (Charles) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:33:14 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Burnbox & Beer progress In-Reply-To: <49EBE48D.4010309@lazarusid.com> References: <49EBE48D.4010309@lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <49ECA3CA.7000102@bityard.net> Clay Dowling wrote: > Busy weekend getting ready for Penguicon. > > All of the beer is now in kegs. The two beers we made back in February > both have very full kegs, which means they absorb CO2 much more slowly. > That's okay, because the style for both beers is for lower CO2. Just > the same, I'll keep them under gas until Penguicon, so they'll be better > carbonated for the party. > > I started assembly of the bar. It will keep the kegs and gas equipment > out of sight and out of harm's way, and make a decent pouring surface. > The structure can be broken down without tools, and it will fit in the > back seat of my car. I'll finish it with spar urethane, the same finish > they use for boats, so when we spill beer it won't stain or damage anything. > > Finally, the burnbox is nearly ready to go, but I'll probably be poking > at it throughout the week. The hardware is assembled, OS is installed, > and I have images for Ubuntu 8.10, FreeBSD 7.1 and OpenBSD 4.4. It wants > some software and configuration tweaks, and there are some problems with > error handling. > > I would like to know what people want to see for images on the box. > There are a couple of factors though: > > 1. I have no interest in downloading every obscure Linux distro under > the sun. We have one good distro that will fill the needs of 90% of our > guests, so I don't want to waste my time downloading a bunch of extra > stuff that won't get used by more than one person. I, on the other hand, have no problem doing so. :) These are the ones I'd like to see: Ubuntu (perhaps Xubuntu, Kubuntu, Server edition, etc) CentOS Debian FreeBSD Since netbooks are pretty much all the rage right now, I'd also like to suggest a couple of distros specifically targeted to them like Ubuntu Netbook Remix and Puppeee. > 2. Rescue CDs are good, but we don't need a dozen of them. A dozen is perhaps too much but having a few on hand is good in case someone waltzes into the lounge and mistakes us for Geek Squad employees. Charles -- http://bityard.net From clay at lazarusid.com Mon Apr 20 14:26:40 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:26:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Burnbox & Beer progress In-Reply-To: <49ECA3CA.7000102@bityard.net> References: <49EBE48D.4010309@lazarusid.com> <49ECA3CA.7000102@bityard.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Apr 2009, Charles wrote: > I, on the other hand, have no problem doing so. :) > > These are the ones I'd like to see: > > Ubuntu (perhaps Xubuntu, Kubuntu, Server edition, etc) > CentOS > Debian > FreeBSD > > Since netbooks are pretty much all the rage right now, I'd also like to > suggest a couple of distros specifically targeted to them like Ubuntu Netbook > Remix and Puppeee. Ubuntu will be there in desktop, server and alternate install versions, for both x86 and AMD64. CentOS isn't one I had thought of, but it's an obvious choice. I don't known about Debian though. It's kind of like getting a three year old copy of Ubuntu without an interface. Can netbooks read CDs, or should I look for a way to transfer images to memory sticks? Clay From rexykik at gmail.com Mon Apr 20 15:42:42 2009 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:42:42 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Burnbox & Beer progress In-Reply-To: References: <49EBE48D.4010309@lazarusid.com> <49ECA3CA.7000102@bityard.net> Message-ID: <984d708a0904201242s521a076blc8170034a504012d@mail.gmail.com> > Can netbooks read CDs, or should I look for a way to transfer images to > memory sticks? unetbootin From physicsnarf at gmail.com Mon Apr 20 15:57:43 2009 From: physicsnarf at gmail.com (Andy Ball) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:57:43 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Burnbox & Beer progress In-Reply-To: References: <49EBE48D.4010309@lazarusid.com> <49ECA3CA.7000102@bityard.net> Message-ID: Can netbooks read CDs, or should I look for a way to transfer images to > memory sticks? > > My netbook (EEE PC) does not have a built in CD drive nor do most the other ones i have seen. There was also a request when i was at Confusion a few months ago for GLLUG to have Open Office on the burn box this year -Andy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090420/db456ce5/attachment.html From marshal at freedombi.com Mon Apr 20 15:59:16 2009 From: marshal at freedombi.com (Marshal Newrock) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:59:16 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Burnbox & Beer progress In-Reply-To: References: <49EBE48D.4010309@lazarusid.com> <49ECA3CA.7000102@bityard.net> Message-ID: <20090420155916.2a0c86fa@osiris> On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:26:40 -0500 (EST) Clay Dowling wrote: > Ubuntu will be there in desktop, server and alternate install > versions, for both x86 and AMD64. > > CentOS isn't one I had thought of, but it's an obvious choice. I > don't known about Debian though. It's kind of like getting a three > year old copy of Ubuntu without an interface. Actually, Debian 5.0 (Lenny) is fairly recent. It's newer than Ubuntu Server 8.04 LTS (and when putting Ubuntu on a server, I would only consider LTS). With some of the Ubuntu quirks I've encountered, I'd probably consider it for desktop/laptop use as well. I'd also say it's safe to assume Ubuntu 9.04 will be available. When Ubuntu sets a deadline, they always meet it. Somehow. - Marshal -- Marshal Newrock 517-679-0699 x223 FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Some people like it, but then again most people who know how to make the active choice of Debian over the more popular Ubuntu probably already have the ISOs and everything. You can strike Debian from the list. > Can netbooks read CDs, or should I look for a way to transfer images to > memory sticks? Hmm. Hadn't thought of that. I'm sure that it's far too late to consider modifying the burnbox software to copy images to a USB key. We could have a USB CD-ROM drive nearby in case anyone wants to install a distro on their netbook whilst at the con. (I will try to remember to bring my USB adapter and a spare drive.) Charles -- http://bityard.net From muteid10t at gmail.com Mon Apr 20 20:34:42 2009 From: muteid10t at gmail.com (Ron Blanchett) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:34:42 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Burnbox & Beer progress In-Reply-To: References: <49EBE48D.4010309@lazarusid.com> <49ECA3CA.7000102@bityard.net> Message-ID: <52995d720904201734q15a6834bp7e02d2f6a08900fc@mail.gmail.com> On 4/20/09, charles at bityard.net wrote: > > > Can netbooks read CDs, or should I look for a way to transfer images to > > memory sticks? > > > Hmm. Hadn't thought of that. I'm sure that it's far too late to consider > modifying the burnbox software to copy images to a USB key. We could have a > USB CD-ROM drive nearby in case anyone wants to install a distro on their > netbook whilst at the con. (I will try to remember to bring my USB adapter > and a spare drive.) > > Ubuntu has had an install to USB Key option for a little while now, I am not sure if you can install Ubuntu from the install on the USB key thought. -Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090420/48a8f631/attachment-0001.html From c.e.tower at gmail.com Mon Apr 20 22:38:34 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:38:34 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Community Call for Coffee Can Message-ID: <49ED31AA.4000700@gmail.com> I would like a coffee can to put the redeemed Penguicon Brazilian beef tickets into at the serving table. I don't drink coffee. Does anyone reading this who is going to Penguicon have an empty coffee can and plastic lid I can have? -- Chick From c.e.tower at gmail.com Mon Apr 20 22:40:39 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:40:39 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] OpenOffice.org In-Reply-To: References: <49EBE48D.4010309@lazarusid.com> <49ECA3CA.7000102@bityard.net> Message-ID: <49ED3227.4000809@gmail.com> Did the requestor happen to express an interest in OpenOffice.org for a particular OS? Chick Andy Ball wrote: > There was also a request when i was at Confusion a few months ago for GLLUG > to have Open Office on the burn box this year > > -Andy From rick at divinesymphony.net Mon Apr 20 23:22:27 2009 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 23:22:27 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Burnbox & Beer progress In-Reply-To: References: <49EBE48D.4010309@lazarusid.com> Message-ID: I'll snag the Mandriva DVD ISOs (2009.0 - x86_64 and i586). Mandriva 2009.1 is scheduled for release just before the con, but I'll probably only manage to download one architecture in time. Starting in 2009.1, you can just write the ISO image to the root of a USB-stick and have a usable system. On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Clay Dowling wrote: > > > On Mon, 20 Apr 2009, Richard Houser wrote: > > Clay, >> >> Do we have DVD-R support this time? >> >> > DVD-R is supported in this machine, in that we now have a drive. Of the > distros that I've installed, only FreeBSD has a DVD iso though. > > Clay > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > Did the requestor happen to express an interest in OpenOffice.org for a > particular OS? > > Chick > > > Andy Ball wrote: > > There was also a request when i was at Confusion a few months ago for > GLLUG > > to have Open Office on the burn box this year > > > > -Andy > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090420/4ff7fc2a/attachment.html From ranti.junus at gmail.com Mon Apr 20 23:53:40 2009 From: ranti.junus at gmail.com (Ranti Junus) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 23:53:40 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Burnbox & Beer progress In-Reply-To: References: <49EBE48D.4010309@lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <7b496ff80904202053y20a7284h2f9b08be81bc44eb@mail.gmail.com> Purely anecdotal, but some of my beginner friends who are used with MS Windows found KDE-based distro is more user friendly for them. Perhaps that could also be included as a consideration in choosing/offering the distros. thanks, ranti. -- Bulk mail. Postage paid. From goofle1 at att.net Tue Apr 21 00:10:11 2009 From: goofle1 at att.net (Dave) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 00:10:11 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Can Netbooks read CD's Message-ID: <49ED4723.2090000@att.net> Hello, Didn't know the answer to this but it sounded important, so I sent the question to my son who answers below: Can netbooks read CDs, or should I look for a way to transfer images to memory sticks? I just used this the other day for a buddy who has a netbook. http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ Download a supported linux iso, point this application to it and it will create a bootable usb drive. Works like a champ and you don't have to waste a cd. -- Daniel Felzke dfelzke at gmail.com From charles at bityard.net Tue Apr 21 00:50:46 2009 From: charles at bityard.net (Charles) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 00:50:46 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] OpenOffice.org In-Reply-To: References: <49EBE48D.4010309@lazarusid.com> <49ECA3CA.7000102@bityard.net> <49ED3227.4000809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49ED50A6.6070409@bityard.net> OpenOffice has a DVD image containing installer packages for Windows, Mac, Linux (.deb and RPM), and Solaris: http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/iso_downoad.html Richard Houser wrote: > It's got to be either Windows or Mac OS-X. OpenOffice comes with pretty > much everything else. I assume this would fall under the Windows OSS > image previously mentioned. > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Chick Tower > wrote: > > Did the requestor happen to express an interest in OpenOffice.org for a > particular OS? > > Chick > > > Andy Ball wrote: > > There was also a request when i was at Confusion a few months ago > for GLLUG > > to have Open Office on the burn box this year > > > > -Andy > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -- http://bityard.net From clay at lazarusid.com Tue Apr 21 08:16:18 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 07:16:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Community Call for Coffee Can In-Reply-To: <49ED31AA.4000700@gmail.com> References: <49ED31AA.4000700@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Apr 2009, Chick Tower wrote: > I would like a coffee can to put the redeemed Penguicon Brazilian beef > tickets into at the serving table. I don't drink coffee. Does anyone > reading this who is going to Penguicon have an empty coffee can and > plastic lid I can have? I just grabbed three of them from the office. We also want one for donations for media in the computer lounge, and the raffle for the Acceptably Used policy poster. Clay From clay at lazarusid.com Tue Apr 21 08:18:05 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 07:18:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Burnbox & Beer progress In-Reply-To: <7b496ff80904202053y20a7284h2f9b08be81bc44eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <49EBE48D.4010309@lazarusid.com> <7b496ff80904202053y20a7284h2f9b08be81bc44eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Apr 2009, Ranti Junus wrote: > Purely anecdotal, but some of my beginner friends who are used with MS > Windows found KDE-based distro is more user friendly for them. > Perhaps that could also be included as a consideration in > choosing/offering the distros. Kubuntu is a bit like a more full featured Windows. I'll stick an ISO on the burnbox. Clay From physicsnarf at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 14:37:09 2009 From: physicsnarf at gmail.com (Andy Ball) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:37:09 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] OpenOffice.org In-Reply-To: <49ED3227.4000809@gmail.com> References: <49EBE48D.4010309@lazarusid.com> <49ECA3CA.7000102@bityard.net> <49ED3227.4000809@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > Did the requestor happen to express an interest in OpenOffice.org for a > particular OS? > They did not say specifically but they hinted at windows, having it for MAC would be a good idea though. -Andy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090421/c85b69ad/attachment.html From tigner at msu.edu Tue Apr 21 15:44:02 2009 From: tigner at msu.edu (tigner) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:44:02 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] OpenOffice.org In-Reply-To: References: <49EBE48D.4010309@lazarusid.com> <49ECA3CA.7000102@bityard.net> <49ED3227.4000809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1240343042.3107.29.camel@eshop1.pa.msu.edu> Just in case no one has considered it, SoftMaker has Softmaker Office 2006 available for FREE. It only includes Word and Excel compatibility, but it works well and is IMHO faster than OO, and has quite a bit smaller foot print. Currently OO download is 167.8MB (linux edition) , while SMOffice is 24MB. Granted OO has perhaps Access and PP compatibility, however most people only use either Word or Excel. There are versions for Windows, Linux and FreeBSD. The 2008 version is NOT free. Barry A. Tigner Electronics Shop manager Physics and Astronomy department Michigan State University tigner at msu.edu 517-884-5538 On Tue, 2009-04-21 at 13:37 -0500, Andy Ball wrote: > > > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Chick Tower > wrote: > > Did the requestor happen to express an interest in > OpenOffice.org for a particular OS? > > > > > They did not say specifically but they hinted at windows, having it > for MAC would be a good idea though. > > -Andy > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090421/8bf69016/attachment.html From rexykik at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 15:54:51 2009 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:54:51 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] OpenOffice.org In-Reply-To: <1240343042.3107.29.camel@eshop1.pa.msu.edu> References: <49EBE48D.4010309@lazarusid.com> <49ECA3CA.7000102@bityard.net> <49ED3227.4000809@gmail.com> <1240343042.3107.29.camel@eshop1.pa.msu.edu> Message-ID: <984d708a0904211254y758ffb2qfabebd79b57e9716@mail.gmail.com> Free as in beer, not as in freedom. No source code available. On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 3:44 PM, tigner wrote: > Just in case no one has considered it, SoftMaker has Softmaker Office 2006 > available for FREE. It only includes Word and Excel compatibility, but it > works > well and is IMHO faster than OO, and has quite a bit smaller foot print. > > Currently OO download is 167.8MB (linux edition) , while SMOffice is 24MB. > Granted OO has perhaps Access and PP compatibility, however most > people only use either Word or Excel. > > There are versions for Windows, Linux and FreeBSD. > > The 2008 version is NOT free. > > Barry A. Tigner > Electronics Shop manager > Physics and Astronomy department > Michigan State University > tigner at msu.edu > 517-884-5538 > > On Tue, 2009-04-21 at 13:37 -0500, Andy Ball wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > > Did the requestor happen to express an interest in OpenOffice.org for a > particular OS? > > They did not say specifically but they hinted at windows, having it for MAC > would be a good idea though. > > -Andy > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > From audiotech50 at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 01:21:28 2009 From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:21:28 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] OpenOffice.org In-Reply-To: <1240343042.3107.29.camel@eshop1.pa.msu.edu> References: <49EBE48D.4010309@lazarusid.com> <49ECA3CA.7000102@bityard.net> <49ED3227.4000809@gmail.com> <1240343042.3107.29.camel@eshop1.pa.msu.edu> Message-ID: --- tigner wrote: > Just in case no one has considered it, SoftMaker has Softmaker Office 2006 > available for FREE. It only includes Word and Excel compatibility, but it > works well and is IMHO faster than OO, and has quite a bit smaller foot print. Yes, there ARE times when OO.o is a bit much--but why tussle with 3-year-old software (ODF compatibility, anyone?) when AbiWord is current and TRULY free GPL software? I nearly always install it alongside OO.o as both a cross-check and lighter alternative. ~~ Michael Rudas My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com My software blog: http://FaveSoft.blogspot.com My Protopage links: http://TinyURL.com/3wt54n From clay at lazarusid.com Thu Apr 23 09:43:53 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:43:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] OpenOffice.org In-Reply-To: References: <49EBE48D.4010309@lazarusid.com> <49ECA3CA.7000102@bityard.net> <49ED3227.4000809@gmail.com> <1240343042.3107.29.camel@eshop1.pa.msu.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Apr 2009, Michael Rudas wrote: > --- tigner wrote: > >> Just in case no one has considered it, SoftMaker has Softmaker Office 2006 >> available for FREE. It only includes Word and Excel compatibility, but it >> works well and is IMHO faster than OO, and has quite a bit smaller foot print. > > Yes, there ARE times when OO.o is a bit much--but why tussle with > 3-year-old software (ODF compatibility, anyone?) when AbiWord is > current and TRULY free GPL software? I nearly always install it > alongside OO.o as both a cross-check and lighter alternative. Okay, just to keep this from escalating: I'm only putting the OpenOffice.org disk on the box. These other packages sound wonderful, but I've got limited time that I'm willing to devote to tracking this stuff down and downloading it. From clay at lazarusid.com Thu Apr 23 09:46:01 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:46:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Burnbox update Message-ID: I just took a look at the netbook images for Ubuntu. It doesn't actually look that hard to modify the burnbox software to burn this to a flash drive, so I'm going to have a go at it next week. If I can't make it work there's really nothing lost, and it shouldn't take more than an hour to figure it out. Clay From clay at lazarusid.com Thu Apr 23 10:14:23 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:14:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Meeting tonight Message-ID: What's the plan for the meeting tonight? Is there anything important going to happen? My current plan is to finish up the bar tonight. But if I'm going to be needed at the meeting I'll be there. Clay From clay at lazarusid.com Thu Apr 23 10:48:39 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:48:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Important beer news Message-ID: Okay, it's not actually important, but good to see that home brewing is getting some popular mention: http://www.thelocal.de/society/20090423-18821.html Essentially, home brewing is catching on in Germany, where people are seeking a return to older German heavy ale styles, a market that commercial breweries don't cater to all that well. Clay From psmith.gllug at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 13:46:02 2009 From: psmith.gllug at gmail.com (Peter Smith) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:46:02 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] [ubuntu-us-mi] Happy Jaunty Release Day! In-Reply-To: <20090423170029.GB19938@alexandria> References: <20090423170029.GB19938@alexandria> Message-ID: <12df8d4f0904231046h59f35522u21cf032a3be77519@mail.gmail.com> Ah, the release party in Ypsi is on SATURDAY. Almost perfect. "Sorry hon, I can't help with gardening this morning, ConCom meeting and I'm the driver" "Sorry hon, I can't help with gardening this afternoon, Release meeting and I've got to get freebies for the con..." Now, if I can just find something for SUNDAY.... On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Greg Grossmeier wrote: > Happy Jaunty Release Day Everyone! > > Be sure to download the release via the torrents, as the servers are > going to be hammered today: http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ > > This is also your 2 day warning of the... > Jaunty Release Party THIS SATURDAY! > > Those in the Southeast Michigan (or even Ohio!) area are more than > welcome to attend our release party THIS SATURDAY. We?ll be toasting > to the next great Ubuntu release. Bring your friends, bring your > laptop (free wifi!), bring your questions. I?ll bring the stickers! > > > The Very Important Details: > =========================== > Where: Corner Brewery > 720 Norris Street > Ypsilanti, MI 48198 > Map: http://ur1.ca/3i7c > When: 4/25 from 7pm - ??? > Why: Because Ubuntu is awesome! Because we?re awesome! Right on. > > > See you there! > > Greg > > -- > ubuntu-us-mi mailing list > ubuntu-us-mi at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-mi > -- Peter Smith psmith.gllug at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If I can't make it work > there's really nothing lost, and it shouldn't take more than an hour to > figure it out. > > Clay > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090424/a2a22f67/attachment.html From psmith.gllug at gmail.com Fri Apr 24 19:56:18 2009 From: psmith.gllug at gmail.com (Peter Smith) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 19:56:18 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Heading down the stretch to Penguicon 7.0.... Message-ID: <12df8d4f0904241656n58f288b2h4bfb449c6dbe9aa@mail.gmail.com> >From the chatter Thursday night, seems like everyone's got their lines memorized. Chirp in here if you've got anything to share for plans up to Thursday night or so. I'll be heading east at least once on Saturday (tomorrow) to the ConCom meeting; departing my place around noon for a 'open at 1pm, starts at 2pm' final meeting before the convention. Got room for 5, 6 if 2 of the 5 agree, and got 3 seats filled. Don't think there's anybody else who has a good reason to want to go, but, hey, if you're interested in spending the year planning a Convention next year, you're welcome to come and observe the chaos; if you hang around long enough, they get you doing stuff. Me, I'm going for a few reasons. Still need details on our internet access; power is what we get from the plugs around the perimeter; there's no socco electrical guy to make us *Big Boxes OF DOOM(tm)* this year. 2pm Friday is when we can start setting up; hopefully, we're ready by 6pm for someone who needs some space (I'm not sure how many seats; I haven't seen him, and the Tech lead won't be at the concom meeting (but I bcc'd him on this mailing so he might get back to me). We get to start tearing down at noon, and again, hopefully will be done in time for 3pm's closing ceremonies. Spend your whuffies as you get them; get them as you work! I'm still waiting for a reply from registration about who has their reg paid for already, and confirming the registrations from last year. If there's any other info anyone needs as far as the Lounge goes, let me know, and I'll do my best to get it. Should be back around 5, and then I'll probably head east AGAIN for the Ubuntu launch party in Ypsi at 7pm. It'll last a few hours; it's a noisy version of our meetings, more or less. :) Anybody interested in heading out there en masse, lemme know. And then..the weekend is (avoiding) gardening. :) -- Peter Smith psmith.gllug at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Chirp in here if you've got anything to share for plans up to > Thursday night or so. > > I'll be heading east at least once on Saturday (tomorrow) to the ConCom > meeting; departing my place around noon for a 'open at 1pm, starts at 2pm' > final meeting before the convention. Got room for 5, 6 if 2 of the 5 agree, > and got 3 seats filled. Don't think there's anybody else who has a good > reason to want to go, but, hey, if you're interested in spending the year > planning a Convention next year, you're welcome to come and observe the > chaos; if you hang around long enough, they get you doing stuff. > > Me, I'm going for a few reasons. Still need details on our internet access; > power is what we get from the plugs around the perimeter; there's no socco > electrical guy to make us *Big Boxes OF DOOM(tm)* this year. 2pm Friday is > when we can start setting up; hopefully, we're ready by 6pm for someone who > needs some space (I'm not sure how many seats; I haven't seen him, and the > Tech lead won't be at the concom meeting (but I bcc'd him on this mailing so > he might get back to me). We get to start tearing down at noon, and again, > hopefully will be done in time for 3pm's closing ceremonies. Spend your > whuffies as you get them; get them as you work! I'm still waiting for a > reply from registration about who has their reg paid for already, and > confirming the registrations from last year. If there's any other info > anyone needs as far as the Lounge goes, let me know, and I'll do my best to > get it. > > Should be back around 5, and then I'll probably head east AGAIN for the > Ubuntu launch party in Ypsi at 7pm. It'll last a few hours; it's a noisy > version of our meetings, more or less. :) Anybody interested in heading out > there en masse, lemme know. > > And then..the weekend is (avoiding) gardening. :) > > -- > Peter Smith > psmith.gllug at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090424/4c885ee2/attachment.html From dbosman at msu.edu Sat Apr 25 23:07:30 2009 From: dbosman at msu.edu (Don Bosman) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 23:07:30 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Free Dell PowerEdge 1400SC near Lake Lansing Rd. & Hagadorn Rd. Message-ID: <49F3CFF2.7010502@msu.edu> Don't ask me why I bought it. I don't remember. I'm sure I wasn't considering RAM at the time. I picked it up from Surplus a couple of weeks ago. It works - boots up anyway. Someone on this list probably sent it there. ;-) 1.266 GHz processor, dual capable 128 meg PC133 ECC RAM <--- It won't run on desktop PC133 RAM CD-ROM drive Floppy drive No hard drives. SCSI cables are inside. It's just taking up space on my desk in my cave, taunting me. Given the cost of buying ECC RAM it just has to go. Free for the picking up. I can leave it on our porch or bring it to campus. Don Bosman From psmith.gllug at gmail.com Mon Apr 27 19:19:52 2009 From: psmith.gllug at gmail.com (Peter Smith) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:19:52 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon Registrations Message-ID: <12df8d4f0904271619v1753825eg98ab9eb09d869cef@mail.gmail.com> Well, that was a rather productive Saturday. Not only did I get results on what Registration has recorded for the list I made up (more on that below), but I've talked to the Volunteer chief, found that yes, Charles *has* been talking to her, at least, about what he thinks his needs are. Pity that wasn't coordinated between us, so that the rest of the ConCom wouldn't get conflicting information, but, such is life. *Volunteers! *Tracking schedule is in a "Spreadsheet "; I'm not sure of the key, but I've told Con Scheduling that we'll be open for 'business' from 6pm Friday (earlier if we're set up, but, one never knows what happens) through Noon on Sunday, so we can strike the lounge in time for everyone who wants to do so, to make it to the Closing ceremonies. I've also told them we need two people in there at all times; during the day, that leaves one person to keep an eye on the multiple exits, while the other is 'distractable' by people needing help; overnight, this comes closer to assuring that someone's AWAKE all night. Charles seems to have derived an entirely different concept, probably based on the fact that there's only 4 people on his volunteer sheet. * Volunteers vs Staff vs ComCon* : Yeah, I've had a lot of WTFs to this, both around here, and even at the ConCom meetings. Anna gave a basic determination she tends to use, but that one just won't work for me, or for most of us. I'll try it this way, for future usage, so people don't get confused. There's *1* *ConCom *member for a given area or track, like the Computer Lounge (CL). That person is the voice to the rest of the ConCom for the area. Chain of command follows thru to *many* *Staff* members. What sort of staff does the CL need? Well, probably a *scheduler* or two, definitely *transport *staff for the hardware, definitely *setup and strike* staff for the CL itself, and probably more than a few *operations *staff for the running of the CL itself, both security and tech types. Then there are *Volunteers*which, for the most part, are either 'hey, we don't have enough bodies to lug stuff in from // out to the truck' people, or 'hey, we don't have enough staff to both help people out in the CL, and to make sure we've got someone who can sit behind the server table, make sure it stays put, and watch the exits". *Staff *and *ConCom* pretty much get their perqs before the Con; they get a reduced membership rate, they can all go to ConCom meetings and SWOS parties (think social team-building and minor greaseworks for operations) for the year before their Con, they know what's going on before most anyone else does, and they 'wield amazing power' during the Con itself. In the case of the CL, they're probably all GLLUG members too. :) The ConCom member picks hir own Staff members, generally, so they tend to be well-known and trusted. *Volunteers* usually don't know what their doing, really, till they're told to do it. They might have an idea before the Con as to whom they might be working FOR or WITH, but they have very little information beyond what any average Con goer has. In fact, many *volunteers* are just people who have shown up at the Con, are some combination of 'bored' and 'wanting to help out', and present themselves for unskilled labour. They get their perqs AT or immediately AFTER the Con, in the form of Whuffies, and use them as prescribed. Different Con departments have a different mix. *Ops* is all Staff under their ConCom member. The *Consuite* generally has one or two Staff/CC around at all times, but puts Volunteers at the door checking badges, and at the access to alcohol, checking ID for age. The Computer Lounge has been unique in the past, simply because, well, what's a good way to put this...we operate from such a distance and without a budget that not only do the pre-Con perqs have less value, we tend to have a lot of out-of-pocket expenses that we don't ever calculate, so...we've always consider all of our Staff to be Volunteers, getting their goodies in whatever method's available. This should change. Preferably this year. I'll chatter about in a bit, but first...the moment we've all been waiting for... *Registration Records!!!* So, I compiled a list of people I thought likely or possible to have a registration for Penguicon; these would be people who 1) had refunds from last year, 2) are definitely going to be at the Con this year, or 3) whose name I could find on the list while I was compiling the list, and sent it in a few weeks ago. Below are the results, obtained During The Meeting on Saturday. IF YOU'RE GOING TO THE CON AND YOU'RE NOT ON THIS LIST (like those people I just found out the existance of, by reading the spreadsheet that I found out about on Saturday night), send me an email asap. If you're not already registered, pre-reg is over, you're at paying $50 at the door, but there are things that can be done (like making you Staff in registration NOW NOW NOW (eob Tuesday, I'm thinking) and getting you a reduced rate at the door (in exchange for you not getting any Whuffies) IF YOU HAVE UNKNOWN AFTER YOUR NAME, please get back to me as fast as possible if you've already paid, in any fashion; if you have your whuffies receipt from last year, get me an image of it asap; scan it and email it to me at computerlounge at penguicon.com or fax it to *509-756-3844* and I'll get it in email. - Andrew Ball - Paid with Whuffie at 6.0 - Eduardo Cesconetto - Paid with Whuffie at 6.0 - Frank Dolinar - UNKNOWN (will be entered as Presenter) - Clay Dowling - UNKNOWN - Michael George - UNKNOWN - Richard Houser - Paid with Whuffie at 6.0 (will be entered as Presenter) - Jeff Lawton - UNKNOWN - Ariel Lonchar - Paid with Whuffie at 6.0 - Stan Mortel - Paid with Whuffie at 6.0 (will be entered as Board) - Marshall Newrock - Paid (will be entered as ConCom) - Sean O'Malley - UNKNOWN - Lee Putnam - UNKNOWN - Steven Sayers - UNKNOWN - Karl Schuttler - UNKNOWN (will be entered as Staff) - Peter Smith - UNKNOWN (will be entered as ConCom) - David Singer - UNKNOWN - Chick Tower - UNKNOWN (will be entered as ConCom, paid with whuffies last year) - Charles Ulrich - Paid (will be entered as Staff) I will be, on Wednesday, submitting people I know for sure in 'Staff', 'Presenter', 'ConCom' and 'wtf, dude, he paid with whuffies' to Registration, but the only way I Know For Sure You "Paid with Whuffie at 6.0" is if indeed you fax/email me a copy of your receipt...or at least tell me you have it in your hot little hands...Chick's the only one I've gotten confirmation from so far. I really, really don't want to have to try and find my paperwork from last year. I've got it. Somewhere. I'm a packrat. I'm sure Chick's got his original notes as well. If I didn't note it up top, I'm not sure of one or the other. As an example...I know Clay's got a whuffie receipt somewhere, but I'm not sure if he wants to be entered in as staff or not. My 'assumptions' are up top. I don't assume that everyone on this list is gonna show up, it's just my 'biggest possible guesses'. I'd like to put Clay and Jeff as staff, and Ariel and David as (volunteers), but really, it's up to the four of them. Next year, though, I think that the 'Staff' positions should be decided from the get-go. I'll be in Detroit on Thursday night; I'm in room 120 from Thursday night thru Monday morning, so, yip at me thru there. Ops will have my cell phone number as well. -- Peter Smith psmith.gllug at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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How are we fixed for mice? There was a place on the GLLUG website to fill this stuff in last year. Does it exist again? Chick Stanley C. Mortel wrote: > OK everyone, the last information I had was that we were a bit short on > keyboards for the lab. I only have 4 to contribute. I'm initiating a > "role call". Who has how many to bring? From ranti.junus at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 00:11:51 2009 From: ranti.junus at gmail.com (Ranti Junus) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 00:11:51 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Computer lab hardware In-Reply-To: <49F66FDF.7000409@gmail.com> References: <49F6605D.2040300@cyber-nos.com> <49F66FDF.7000409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7b496ff80904272111x24d6fe86hdcff5836ed50bf25@mail.gmail.com> Any particular keyboard? PS2 or USB? I have a couple of PS2 and one USB if more keyboards are needed. ranti. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > I have eight I can bring, Stan, as well as eight mice. ?How are we fixed > for mice? > > There was a place on the GLLUG website to fill this stuff in last year. > ?Does it exist again? > > > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Chick > > > Stanley C. Mortel wrote: >> OK everyone, the last information I had was that we were a bit short on >> keyboards for the lab. ?I only have 4 to contribute. ?I'm initiating a >> "role call". ?Who has how many to bring? -- Bulk mail. Postage paid. From marshal at freedombi.com Tue Apr 28 01:19:04 2009 From: marshal at freedombi.com (Marshal Newrock) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 01:19:04 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Final disposition of the AUP Message-ID: <20090428011904.3de2691a@osiris> I was uncertain if there was going to be (or should be) a raffle for this year's AUP, so I had thought to offer it to the Charity Auction, which benefits the EFF. 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Wikipedia says: AUP can refer to : Acceptable use policy in business Adventist University of the Philippines Agile Unified Process in programming Airspace Use Plan American University of Paris Athabasca University Press The Australian pound (1910-1966) .aup, the filename extension for Audacity projects. (AUdacity Project) Aberdeen University Press (1900?1996) Amsterdam University Press Hmm, no... none of those seem to fit... ;^) What the heck is AUP? Bill Marr From marshal at freedombi.com Tue Apr 28 11:20:11 2009 From: marshal at freedombi.com (Marshal Newrock) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:20:11 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Final disposition of the AUP In-Reply-To: <200904281116.22789.marr@copper.net> References: <20090428011904.3de2691a@osiris> <200904281116.22789.marr@copper.net> Message-ID: <20090428112011.074b6250@osiris> On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:16:22 -0400 Marr wrote: > On Tuesday 28 April 2009 1:19:04am Marshal Newrock wrote: > > I was uncertain if there was going to be (or should be) a raffle for > > this year's AUP, so I had thought to offer it to the Charity > > Auction, which benefits the EFF. Thoughts? > > AUP? Wikipedia says: > > AUP can refer to : > Acceptable use policy in business > Adventist University of the Philippines > Agile Unified Process in programming > Airspace Use Plan > American University of Paris > Athabasca University Press > The Australian pound (1910-1966) > .aup, the filename extension for Audacity projects. (AUdacity Project) > Aberdeen University Press (1900?1996) > Amsterdam University Press > > Hmm, no... none of those seem to fit... ;^) > > What the heck is AUP? Acceptable Use Policy -- Marshal Newrock 517-679-0699 x223 FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill Marr From charles at bityard.net Tue Apr 28 12:26:46 2009 From: charles at bityard.net (charles at bityard.net) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:26:46 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon loading party Message-ID: Hello all, In lieu of a GLLUG meeting this Thursday evening, we'll be heading over to Jeff's place to load up equipment for Penguicon. Please come out if you have the evening free and will be going to the conference. Also, we may need to borrow your extra backseat or trunk space. :) When: 6:30PM, this Thursday Where: 3890 N Willaimston Rd, Williamston, MI 48895 -- http://bityard.net From marshal at freedombi.com Tue Apr 28 12:39:13 2009 From: marshal at freedombi.com (Marshal Newrock) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:39:13 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Final disposition of the AUP In-Reply-To: <200904281136.43459.marr@copper.net> References: <20090428011904.3de2691a@osiris> <200904281116.22789.marr@copper.net> <20090428112011.074b6250@osiris> <200904281136.43459.marr@copper.net> Message-ID: <20090428123913.45ce6911@osiris> On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:36:43 -0400 Marr wrote: > On Tuesday 28 April 2009 11:20:11am Marshal Newrock wrote: > > On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:16:22 -0400 Marr wrote: > > > What the heck is AUP? > > > > Acceptable Use Policy > > OK, sorry... still confused. GLLUG has an AUP? And it's something > someone would pay money for??? Clearly I'm missing something here. I > haven't been to a meeting in a long time, but ... ??? > > Or is this some Penguicon thing? It's some Penguicon thing. A sign, 3 feet wide and between 3 and 4 feet high, with "Acceptable Use Policy" at the top in huge print, and the rest of it in 12 or 14 point font. Come to the con and see. :) Marshal -- Marshal Newrock 517-679-0699 x223 FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090428/24f34047/attachment.bin From marshal at freedombi.com Tue Apr 28 12:40:47 2009 From: marshal at freedombi.com (Marshal Newrock) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:40:47 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Sun available Message-ID: <20090428124047.16239a26@osiris> I have a Sun UltraSparc 5 and a 21" Sun monitor available to anyone who wants it. Unfortunately, I don't seem to have the keyboard and mouse. I believe I loaned it out at some point. So, also, if you borrowed a Sun keyboard and mouse from me, let me know so it can be reunited with the rest of the computer. Marshal -- Marshal Newrock 517-679-0699 x223 FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090428/69b64919/attachment.bin From c.e.tower at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 12:51:09 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:51:09 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Final disposition of the AUP In-Reply-To: <200904281136.43459.marr@copper.net> References: <20090428011904.3de2691a@osiris> <200904281116.22789.marr@copper.net> <20090428112011.074b6250@osiris> <200904281136.43459.marr@copper.net> Message-ID: <49F733FD.6020000@gmail.com> Come to Penguicon and find out, Bill. :) Chick Marr wrote: > On Tuesday 28 April 2009 11:20:11am Marshal Newrock wrote: >> On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:16:22 -0400 Marr wrote: >>> What the heck is AUP? >> Acceptable Use Policy > > OK, sorry... still confused. GLLUG has an AUP? And it's something someone > would pay money for??? Clearly I'm missing something here. I haven't been to > a meeting in a long time, but ... ??? > > Or is this some Penguicon thing? > > Bill Marr From c.e.tower at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 12:53:52 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:53:52 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Sun available In-Reply-To: <20090428124047.16239a26@osiris> References: <20090428124047.16239a26@osiris> Message-ID: <49F734A0.7070908@gmail.com> What distro is installed on it, Marshal? Chick Marshal Newrock wrote: > I have a Sun UltraSparc 5 and a 21" Sun monitor available to anyone who > wants it. Unfortunately, I don't seem to have the keyboard and mouse. > I believe I loaned it out at some point. So, also, if you borrowed a > Sun keyboard and mouse from me, let me know so it can be reunited with > the rest of the computer. > > Marshal From psmith.gllug at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 12:56:20 2009 From: psmith.gllug at gmail.com (Peter Smith) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:56:20 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Final disposition of the AUP In-Reply-To: <49F733FD.6020000@gmail.com> References: <20090428011904.3de2691a@osiris> <200904281116.22789.marr@copper.net> <20090428112011.074b6250@osiris> <200904281136.43459.marr@copper.net> <49F733FD.6020000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <12df8d4f0904280956j7d23b2bbj2833d6aa9c68223f@mail.gmail.com> I believe the concept is that it's an AUP for those wishing to use the GLLUG-administered Computer Lounge. At least, that's what I'VE always considered it. -- Peter Smith psmith.gllug at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So, also, if you > > borrowed a Sun keyboard and mouse from me, let me know so it can be > > reunited with the rest of the computer. > > > > Marshal -- Marshal Newrock 517-679-0699 x223 FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090428/a8046309/attachment.bin From charles at bityard.net Tue Apr 28 13:11:54 2009 From: charles at bityard.net (Charles Ulrich) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:11:54 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon Registrations In-Reply-To: <12df8d4f0904271619v1753825eg98ab9eb09d869cef@mail.gmail.com> References: <12df8d4f0904271619v1753825eg98ab9eb09d869cef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2e70f5c16748ed6f3705161e1229663c@bityard.net> On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:19:52 -0400, Peter Smith wrote: > Well, that was a rather productive Saturday. Not only did I get results on > what Registration has recorded for the list I made up (more on that below), > but I've talked to the Volunteer chief, found that yes, Charles *has* been > talking to her, at least, about what he thinks his needs are. Pity that > wasn't coordinated between us, so that the rest of the ConCom wouldn't get > conflicting information, but, such is life. I've been quite overwhelmed with things lately and unfortunately Penguicon was actually pretty low on my list of priorities until about a week ago. Basically what happened here was that I had no idea that I needed to speak with the Volunteer Chief until the conchair made a snarky remark on the concom mailing list about it. So I sent the volunteer chief an email to find out what exactly she needed but I forgot to CC you on the exchange to keep you in the loop. I apologize for that. > *Volunteers! *Tracking schedule is in a "Spreadsheet > "; > I'm not sure of the key, but I've told Con Scheduling that we'll be open > for > 'business' from 6pm Friday (earlier if we're set up, but, one never knows > what happens) through Noon on Sunday, so we can strike the lounge in time > for everyone who wants to do so, to make it to the Closing ceremonies. I've > also told them we need two people in there at all times; during the day, > that leaves one person to keep an eye on the multiple exits, while the > other > is 'distractable' by people needing help; overnight, this comes closer to > assuring that someone's AWAKE all night. Charles seems to have derived an > entirely different concept, probably based on the fact that there's only 4 > people on his volunteer sheet. > * Not sure what you mean. Yes, it would be nice to have both volunteer positions again, but this year we just don't have enough people stepping up to help. I have two more volunteers to put on the sheet, so once I do that, our volunteer roster for the entire weekend (not including myself) will be 6 people. The remaining hours for the security daemon position will have to be filled by volunteers from ops or myself. Charles -- http://bityard.net From psmith.gllug at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 14:00:08 2009 From: psmith.gllug at gmail.com (Peter Smith) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:00:08 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon Registrations In-Reply-To: <2e70f5c16748ed6f3705161e1229663c@bityard.net> References: <12df8d4f0904271619v1753825eg98ab9eb09d869cef@mail.gmail.com> <2e70f5c16748ed6f3705161e1229663c@bityard.net> Message-ID: <12df8d4f0904281100r4de1fa44r6525f4563c310e78@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Charles Ulrich wrote: > > I've been quite overwhelmed with things lately...I sent the volunteer chief an email to > find out what exactly she needed but I forgot to CC you on the exchange to > keep you in the loop. I apologize for that. > Life happens. I think it's all straightened out now, thanks. :) >>Charles seems to have derived an >> entirely different concept, probably based on the fact that there's only >> 4 people on his volunteer sheet. >> > > Not sure what you mean. I just meant that, once you only had 4 people volunteer to put in time, it made it somewhat difficult to schedule 90+ hours of volunteer time, or even 45+ hours. > The remaining hours for the security daemon position will have to > be filled by volunteers from ops or myself. > I'm sure we've got other 'staff' members and presenters even, who can step up and volunteer some time...at least, time when it's not Party Room Time. Though, I think Clay has learned that 7am Sat or Sun isn't a Good Time To Offer. :-) Lessee, other stuff with the lounge since then, or that comes to mind.... -- Our connection is going to be through the hotel, and coming from a wired feed from one of the Loungeside rooms. We've got a source for cable and ends (Bill Putt will, like last year, drop us a box or two of 'leftovers' from his truck, and he's got a bulk amount of ends he picked up as well); can someone (preferably that knows how to use it) bring a crimping tool? I've got one SOMEWHERE, but I destroy more cable than I can make, so I hide it well. Unless of course, the Sonic Screwdriver can attach ends.... :-) -- We might still be able to get some ITT Tech volunteers to cover the 'tech' part of the schedule for when Ariel's on duty. :) Mike Prothero's contact info from ITT Tech is available from the Con Chair (this year's or next year's, it differs in my mail) if you'd like to follow this up at this point, Charles. I just searched my mail, and didn't find anything more than his name. -- Since the CCTV is a go, I assume we'll keep the TV tuned to it for the duration of the con. I've got a panoramic of the room on...er, well, on my page on the site that's for the con. I've not finished it at all, though, informationally. Sigh. Even THIS is eating work time. Oh, and thanks to the good many people who have replied to me about their registration status. Let me know before 8am Wednesday what you think you should be, and why! Final list goes out in the AM before I head to work. If you don't reply by then, bring paperwork and documentation to the Con! If there are hassles, Ops has my cell number (as do any of you who really want it; I'm just not gonna put it on the list). -- Peter Smith psmith.gllug at gmail.com From karl.schuttler at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 20:38:45 2009 From: karl.schuttler at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:38:45 -0700 Subject: [GLLUG] OT: Compaq M700 laptop $20 Message-ID: <984d708a0904281738v1e5877c0pd766dfb30064c5f0@mail.gmail.com> If any of you would like to buy this and will be at penguincon, I'd like to sell it to you. It's a Compaq Armada M700 laptop. Either 450 or 500 mhz processor, and 128mb or 192 mb of Ram. Comes with powercord. It has a hard drive, but I'm pretty certain it's toast. It has the nipple mouse, not the track pad. Karl From rick at divinesymphony.net Wed Apr 29 00:11:13 2009 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 00:11:13 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon Registrations In-Reply-To: <2e70f5c16748ed6f3705161e1229663c@bityard.net> References: <12df8d4f0904271619v1753825eg98ab9eb09d869cef@mail.gmail.com> <2e70f5c16748ed6f3705161e1229663c@bityard.net> Message-ID: I've got a decent crimper, and I just left myself a sticky note. On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Charles Ulrich wrote: > On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:19:52 -0400, Peter Smith > wrote: > > Well, that was a rather productive Saturday. Not only did I get results > on > > what Registration has recorded for the list I made up (more on that > below), > > but I've talked to the Volunteer chief, found that yes, Charles *has* > been > > talking to her, at least, about what he thinks his needs are. Pity that > > wasn't coordinated between us, so that the rest of the ConCom wouldn't > get > > conflicting information, but, such is life. > > I've been quite overwhelmed with things lately and unfortunately Penguicon > was actually pretty low on my list of priorities until about a week ago. > Basically what happened here was that I had no idea that I needed to speak > with the Volunteer Chief until the conchair made a snarky remark on the > concom mailing list about it. So I sent the volunteer chief an email to > find out what exactly she needed but I forgot to CC you on the exchange to > keep you in the loop. I apologize for that. > > > *Volunteers! *Tracking schedule is in a "Spreadsheet > > "; > > I'm not sure of the key, but I've told Con Scheduling that we'll be open > > for > > 'business' from 6pm Friday (earlier if we're set up, but, one never knows > > what happens) through Noon on Sunday, so we can strike the lounge in time > > for everyone who wants to do so, to make it to the Closing ceremonies. > I've > > also told them we need two people in there at all times; during the day, > > that leaves one person to keep an eye on the multiple exits, while the > > other > > is 'distractable' by people needing help; overnight, this comes closer to > > assuring that someone's AWAKE all night. Charles seems to have derived an > > entirely different concept, probably based on the fact that there's only > 4 > > people on his volunteer sheet. > > * > > Not sure what you mean. Yes, it would be nice to have both volunteer > positions again, but this year we just don't have enough people stepping up > to help. I have two more volunteers to put on the sheet, so once I do that, > our volunteer roster for the entire weekend (not including myself) will be > 6 people. The remaining hours for the security daemon position will have to > be filled by volunteers from ops or myself. > > Charles > -- > http://bityard.net > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090429/6302472f/attachment.html From rick at divinesymphony.net Wed Apr 29 00:28:11 2009 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 00:28:11 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] OT: Compaq M700 laptop $20 In-Reply-To: <984d708a0904281738v1e5877c0pd766dfb30064c5f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <984d708a0904281738v1e5877c0pd766dfb30064c5f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: If someone gets this and needs a hard disk, I think I have an idle 80GB 4200 laptop drive sitting around. On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Karl Schuttler wrote: > If any of you would like to buy this and will be at penguincon, I'd > like to sell it to you. > > It's a Compaq Armada M700 laptop. Either 450 or 500 mhz processor, and > 128mb or 192 mb of Ram. Comes with powercord. It has a hard drive, but > I'm pretty certain it's toast. It has the nipple mouse, not the track > pad. > > Karl > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090429/1c63fc31/attachment.html From charles at bityard.net Wed Apr 29 02:53:43 2009 From: charles at bityard.net (Charles) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 02:53:43 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] p-con update Message-ID: <49F7F977.4040308@bityard.net> Hi all, I apologize profusely for the late notice, but I am not going to be able to attend Penguicon this year. Partly due to financial constraints, partly due to lack of time, and partly because my effort at trying to make the Computer Lounge a success for four years in a row is (to be extremely polite) less than appreciated by the current organizer. It doesn't please me to to drop the one thing that I most look forward to all year long, but what can I say? I've got big projects at work, a house that's deteriorating faster than I can patch it up, and a new addition to the family on the way. I don't need the added stress right now. The computer lounge used to be a project where if you saw something that needed doing, you just did it without waiting for instructions or approval from someone. Just like an open source software project. I guess it's not like that any more. The volunteer schedule is up to date, but not yet nearly full. I will accept additions, changes and corrections up until Thursday night and then I will post an exported version to the list for anyone to do with as they please. Here's the URL if you need a reminder: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pGBFPJKXgLCFPKEkZfmuAYg The terminal server is all set to go (no assembly required) and is running Ubuntu 9.04 with all updates applied and a squid web cache installed and configured. The first 30 MAC addresses that connect to the server's static interface will automatically boot to a desktop. Good luck with the lounge and the cookout, guys. Hope to see some of you fine folk in the near future. Charles -- http://bityard.net From c.e.tower at gmail.com Wed Apr 29 11:25:59 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:25:59 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] p-con update In-Reply-To: <49F7F977.4040308@bityard.net> References: <49F7F977.4040308@bityard.net> Message-ID: <49F87187.2030903@gmail.com> Perhaps we don't have as many members attending Penguicon this year as in past years, but I hope those of you who are going will step forward and volunteer to spend some time setting up the equipment, packing it away, and manning the lounge during the convention. I had already volunteered to fill the open Friday night spot, and I may be able to fill in other places, but we need to have at least one person in the lounge at all times, and it can't be me for all the times left open in the schedule. Chick Charles wrote: > The volunteer schedule is up to date, but not yet nearly full. I will > accept additions, changes and corrections up until Thursday night and > then I will post an exported version to the list for anyone to do with > as they please. Here's the URL if you need a reminder: > http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pGBFPJKXgLCFPKEkZfmuAYg From marshal at freedombi.com Wed Apr 29 11:48:37 2009 From: marshal at freedombi.com (Marshal Newrock) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:48:37 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] ethernet cables Message-ID: <20090429114837.05286aa6@osiris> Just to be sure, do we have switches and ethernet cables for the computer lounge? -- Marshal Newrock 517-679-0699 x223 FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Stan > > -- > Marshal Newrock > 517-679-0699 x223 > FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From mortel at cyber-nos.com Wed Apr 29 17:00:24 2009 From: mortel at cyber-nos.com (mortel at cyber-nos.com) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] p-con update In-Reply-To: <49F87187.2030903@gmail.com> References: <49F7F977.4040308@bityard.net> <49F87187.2030903@gmail.com> Message-ID: <38373.75.75.217.198.1241038824.squirrel@webmail.cyber-nos.com> > Perhaps we don't have as many members attending Penguicon this year as > in past years, but I hope those of you who are going will step forward > and volunteer to spend some time setting up the equipment, packing it > away, and manning the lounge during the convention. I had already > volunteered to fill the open Friday night spot, and I may be able to > fill in other places, but we need to have at least one person in the > lounge at all times, and it can't be me for all the times left open in > the schedule. I'll be filling some of the time slots. My Niece may fill some of the late night ones. Stan > > Chick > > > Charles wrote: >> The volunteer schedule is up to date, but not yet nearly full. I will >> accept additions, changes and corrections up until Thursday night and >> then I will post an exported version to the list for anyone to do with >> as they please. Here's the URL if you need a reminder: >> http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pGBFPJKXgLCFPKEkZfmuAYg > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From ranti.junus at gmail.com Wed Apr 29 17:21:51 2009 From: ranti.junus at gmail.com (Ranti Junus) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:21:51 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] p-con update In-Reply-To: <38373.75.75.217.198.1241038824.squirrel@webmail.cyber-nos.com> References: <49F7F977.4040308@bityard.net> <49F87187.2030903@gmail.com> <38373.75.75.217.198.1241038824.squirrel@webmail.cyber-nos.com> Message-ID: <7b496ff80904291421o2fb0190cmc8118dcc55700c73@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, I can fill in some slots too, depending on my other volunteering schedule (don't have with me at the moment.) ranti. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 5:00 PM, wrote: >> Perhaps we don't have as many members attending Penguicon this year as >> in past years, but I hope those of you who are going will step forward >> and volunteer to spend some time setting up the equipment, packing it >> away, and manning the lounge during the convention. ?I had already >> volunteered to fill the open Friday night spot, and I may be able to >> fill in other places, but we need to have at least one person in the >> lounge at all times, and it can't be me for all the times left open in >> the schedule. > > I'll be filling some of the time slots. ?My Niece may fill some of the > late night ones. > > Stan > >> -- Bulk mail. Postage paid. From rick at divinesymphony.net Wed Apr 29 21:40:05 2009 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:40:05 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon Sleep Space (RoomMate Wanted) Message-ID: At present, I've got a double-bed room and no room-mates. Anyone either interested in splitting my room (half the cost comes to something like $105 after taxes) or have room for another (non-smoking rooms only)? Please privately respond with your home or cell phone number tonight (regardless of how late, I'll check in the middle of the night) if you'd like to split my room (running out of time to cancel). Thanks, -Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090429/f6a94896/attachment.html From c.e.tower at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 14:04:55 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:04:55 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Scheduling In-Reply-To: <49F7F977.4040308@bityard.net> References: <49F7F977.4040308@bityard.net> Message-ID: <49F9E847.3010403@gmail.com> As you can see in Charles' link, there are lots of times available. I've taken the 10:15 p.m. until 12:15 a.m. slot on Friday night, and I'll take others, but I don't want to be greedy and not give the rest of you a fair chance. Please send all offers of help to me at this address, not the entire list. Who can help set up and/or break down the computer lounge? I believe we can start setting up at 3:00 p.m. on Friday, and we'll shut it down at noon on Sunday. Chick Charles wrote: > The volunteer schedule is up to date, but not yet nearly full. I will > accept additions, changes and corrections up until Thursday night and > then I will post an exported version to the list for anyone to do with > as they please. Here's the URL if you need a reminder: > http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pGBFPJKXgLCFPKEkZfmuAYg From clay at lazarusid.com Thu Apr 30 14:43:52 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:43:52 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Scheduling In-Reply-To: <49F9E847.3010403@gmail.com> References: <49F7F977.4040308@bityard.net> <49F9E847.3010403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49F9F168.2030607@lazarusid.com> Chick Tower wrote: > As you can see in Charles' link, there are lots of times available. > I've taken the 10:15 p.m. until 12:15 a.m. slot on Friday night, and > I'll take others, but I don't want to be greedy and not give the rest of > you a fair chance. Please send all offers of help to me at this > address, not the entire list. > > Who can help set up and/or break down the computer lounge? I believe we > can start setting up at 3:00 p.m. on Friday, and we'll shut it down at > noon on Sunday. > I'm good for the full set-up and tear-down. I'll see if I can slip in a shift somewhere. Clay From psmith.gllug at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 15:15:39 2009 From: psmith.gllug at gmail.com (Peter Smith) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:15:39 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Scheduling In-Reply-To: <49F9F168.2030607@lazarusid.com> References: <49F7F977.4040308@bityard.net> <49F9E847.3010403@gmail.com> <49F9F168.2030607@lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <12df8d4f0904301215j5df53ff1rbf99585e979ea169@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Chick Tower wrote: >> >> Who can help set up and/or break down the computer lounge? ?I believe we >> can start setting up at 3:00 p.m. on Friday, and we'll shut it down at >> noon on Sunday. >> We can get in at 2pm, actually. Lots of time to set up. I plan to be back at 2 till after opening ceremonies...not sure of my specific schedule till after tonight, though. Off to the road now! Good luck on the packing tonight! -- Peter Smith From currentlyunnameddj at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 15:37:38 2009 From: currentlyunnameddj at gmail.com (Ariel Lonchar) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:37:38 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Scheduling In-Reply-To: <12df8d4f0904301215j5df53ff1rbf99585e979ea169@mail.gmail.com> References: <49F7F977.4040308@bityard.net> <49F9E847.3010403@gmail.com> <49F9F168.2030607@lazarusid.com> <12df8d4f0904301215j5df53ff1rbf99585e979ea169@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <93f068b10904301237l25fa7db2xe36c2e7e1ea27f1a@mail.gmail.com> Give me caffeine and extend my night hours. I'm willing to be extended until at least 5am on Saturday and Sunday both. On 4/30/09, Peter Smith wrote: > On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Chick Tower wrote: >>> >>> Who can help set up and/or break down the computer lounge? ?I believe we >>> can start setting up at 3:00 p.m. on Friday, and we'll shut it down at >>> noon on Sunday. >>> > We can get in at 2pm, actually. Lots of time to set up. I plan to be > back at 2 till after opening ceremonies...not sure of my specific > schedule till after tonight, though. Off to the road now! Good luck on > the packing tonight! > > -- Peter Smith > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From charles at bityard.net Thu Apr 30 16:40:46 2009 From: charles at bityard.net (charles at bityard.net) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] Scheduling In-Reply-To: <93f068b10904301237l25fa7db2xe36c2e7e1ea27f1a@mail.gmail.com> References: <49F7F977.4040308@bityard.net> <49F9E847.3010403@gmail.com> <49F9F168.2030607@lazarusid.com> <12df8d4f0904301215j5df53ff1rbf99585e979ea169@mail.gmail.com> <93f068b10904301237l25fa7db2xe36c2e7e1ea27f1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47041.72.52.190.38.1241124046.squirrel@host.bityard.net> Done! Would you also like a half-hour extension on each of your mid-day Friday and Saturday shifts? (No obligation, it would just make the schedule neater.) Thanks! Charles On Thu, April 30, 2009 3:37 pm, Ariel Lonchar wrote: > Give me caffeine and extend my night hours. I'm willing to be > extended until at least 5am on Saturday and Sunday both. > > On 4/30/09, Peter Smith wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Chick Tower wrote: >>>> >>>> Who can help set up and/or break down the computer lounge? ?I believe >>>> we >>>> can start setting up at 3:00 p.m. on Friday, and we'll shut it down at >>>> noon on Sunday. >>>> >> We can get in at 2pm, actually. Lots of time to set up. I plan to be >> back at 2 till after opening ceremonies...not sure of my specific >> schedule till after tonight, though. Off to the road now! Good luck on >> the packing tonight! >> >> -- Peter Smith >> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -- http://bityard.net