From c.e.tower at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 12:48:56 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 12:48:56 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] [OT] Adding Cell Phone Minutes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <498B2688.9030705@gmail.com> Someone on Craig's List advertised a cell phone for free. It's one of those like you can buy at WalMart and buy additional minutes for. Do any of you know if just anyone can take such a phone purchased by someone else, add minutes to it, and use it? Chick From charles at bityard.net Thu Feb 5 13:06:18 2009 From: charles at bityard.net (Charles) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:06:18 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] [OT] Adding Cell Phone Minutes In-Reply-To: <498B2688.9030705@gmail.com> References: <498B2688.9030705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <498B2A9A.40506@bityard.net> Chick Tower wrote: > Someone on Craig's List advertised a cell phone for free. It's one of > those like you can buy at WalMart and buy additional minutes for. Do > any of you know if just anyone can take such a phone purchased by > someone else, add minutes to it, and use it? If it's a Tracfone: Yes, you can technically just take the phone and add minutes to it. If the activation period has expired, you'll have to re-activate it but that's not a big deal. (Can be done online or over another phone.) The biggest caveat is that the first person who activated the phone very likely had to submit their name, address, etc to the carrier. (A homeland security measure, probably.) That means their info is tied to that phone until you can convince the carrier otherwise. You also get their old phone number unless you call up their support center to change it. If it's not a Tracfone: I'm not familiar with any other prepaid phones. :( (P.S. I'm not endorsing Tracfone in any way, it's just what I happen to use. They're really just about as bad as any other cell carrier.) Charles -- http://bityard.net From clay at lazarusid.com Thu Feb 5 13:39:56 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 13:39:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] [OT] Adding Cell Phone Minutes In-Reply-To: <498B2A9A.40506@bityard.net> References: <498B2688.9030705@gmail.com> <498B2A9A.40506@bityard.net> Message-ID: MetroPCS uses a similar scheme. It's almost certainly a tracphone though. Clay On Thu, 5 Feb 2009, Charles wrote: > Chick Tower wrote: >> Someone on Craig's List advertised a cell phone for free. It's one of >> those like you can buy at WalMart and buy additional minutes for. Do >> any of you know if just anyone can take such a phone purchased by >> someone else, add minutes to it, and use it? > > If it's a Tracfone: > > Yes, you can technically just take the phone and add minutes to it. If > the activation period has expired, you'll have to re-activate it but > that's not a big deal. (Can be done online or over another phone.) > > The biggest caveat is that the first person who activated the phone very > likely had to submit their name, address, etc to the carrier. (A > homeland security measure, probably.) That means their info is tied to > that phone until you can convince the carrier otherwise. You also get > their old phone number unless you call up their support center to change it. > > If it's not a Tracfone: > > I'm not familiar with any other prepaid phones. :( > > (P.S. I'm not endorsing Tracfone in any way, it's just what I happen to > use. They're really just about as bad as any other cell carrier.) > > Charles > From c.e.tower at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 13:54:51 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:54:51 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] [OT] Adding Cell Phone Minutes In-Reply-To: References: <498B2688.9030705@gmail.com> <498B2A9A.40506@bityard.net> Message-ID: <498B35FB.6080903@gmail.com> The ad claims it's a Kyocera. The woman says an ex-boyfriend left it behind and the phone says new minutes needed to be purchased by May of 2008. Chick Clay Dowling wrote: > MetroPCS uses a similar scheme. It's almost certainly a tracphone though. > > Clay > > On Thu, 5 Feb 2009, Charles wrote: > >> Chick Tower wrote: >>> Someone on Craig's List advertised a cell phone for free. It's one of >>> those like you can buy at WalMart and buy additional minutes for. Do >>> any of you know if just anyone can take such a phone purchased by >>> someone else, add minutes to it, and use it? >> >> If it's a Tracfone: >> >> Yes, you can technically just take the phone and add minutes to it. If >> the activation period has expired, you'll have to re-activate it but >> that's not a big deal. (Can be done online or over another phone.) From rexykik at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 14:25:15 2009 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 14:25:15 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] [OT] Adding Cell Phone Minutes In-Reply-To: <498B35FB.6080903@gmail.com> References: <498B2688.9030705@gmail.com> <498B2A9A.40506@bityard.net> <498B35FB.6080903@gmail.com> Message-ID: <984d708a0902051125r836960cn254b3e0214f76817@mail.gmail.com> Tracfone's policy is that 60 days after the expiration (may 2008) the phone will need to be reactivated, at which you should get a new telephone number assigned to the device. On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > The ad claims it's a Kyocera. The woman says an ex-boyfriend left it > behind and the phone says new minutes needed to be purchased by May of 2008. > > Chick > > > Clay Dowling wrote: >> MetroPCS uses a similar scheme. It's almost certainly a tracphone though. >> >> Clay >> >> On Thu, 5 Feb 2009, Charles wrote: >> >>> Chick Tower wrote: >>>> Someone on Craig's List advertised a cell phone for free. It's one of >>>> those like you can buy at WalMart and buy additional minutes for. Do >>>> any of you know if just anyone can take such a phone purchased by >>>> someone else, add minutes to it, and use it? >>> >>> If it's a Tracfone: >>> >>> Yes, you can technically just take the phone and add minutes to it. If >>> the activation period has expired, you'll have to re-activate it but >>> that's not a big deal. (Can be done online or over another phone.) > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From audiotech50 at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 16:16:19 2009 From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 16:16:19 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Johnny Lee: Wii Remote hacks Message-ID: This was a presentation from last year's TED conference that I missed prior to a posting to the SEMCO mailing list. Fascinating! The original link was to a YouTube video--this is the original video, with video-download and other links. ~~ Michael Rudas My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com My blog: http://FaveSoft.blogspot.com From crazytales at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 20:40:44 2009 From: crazytales at gmail.com (The Chan Family) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 20:40:44 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] [OT] Adding Cell Phone Minutes In-Reply-To: <498B35FB.6080903@gmail.com> References: <498B2688.9030705@gmail.com> <498B2A9A.40506@bityard.net> <498B35FB.6080903@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4467498d0902051740v3d4274c6re935f0852cd5a6f5@mail.gmail.com> kyocera means it's most likely Virgin Mobile. tracfone likes motorolas. On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > The ad claims it's a Kyocera. The woman says an ex-boyfriend left it > behind and the phone says new minutes needed to be purchased by May of 2008. > > Chick > > > Clay Dowling wrote: >> MetroPCS uses a similar scheme. It's almost certainly a tracphone though. >> >> Clay >> >> On Thu, 5 Feb 2009, Charles wrote: >> >>> Chick Tower wrote: >>>> Someone on Craig's List advertised a cell phone for free. It's one of >>>> those like you can buy at WalMart and buy additional minutes for. Do >>>> any of you know if just anyone can take such a phone purchased by >>>> someone else, add minutes to it, and use it? >>> >>> If it's a Tracfone: >>> >>> Yes, you can technically just take the phone and add minutes to it. If >>> the activation period has expired, you'll have to re-activate it but >>> that's not a big deal. (Can be done online or over another phone.) > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From mortel at cyber-nos.com Fri Feb 6 14:35:13 2009 From: mortel at cyber-nos.com (Stanley C. Mortel) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 14:35:13 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Disk drive controller question Message-ID: <498C90F1.4010400@cyber-nos.com> OK, here's the deal. I'm using Acronis to copy a partition from one IDE drive to another identical drive, both are 120 GB with a single partition. One drive is connected to the on-board IDE controller, the other is connected to a 3WARE RAID controller with only one drive on it. Each drive is alone on its channel / cable, set to cable select, on the right connector, etc. If I copy from the IDE to the 3WARE, it takes about 5 minutes. If I try it the other way around, it tells me it is going to take 2 hours. There is nothing in my knowledge base to explain this. Anyone know why this would happen? If you don't know for sure, any reasonable ideas? Stan From audiotech50 at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 15:01:16 2009 From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 15:01:16 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Disk drive controller question In-Reply-To: <498C90F1.4010400@cyber-nos.com> References: <498C90F1.4010400@cyber-nos.com> Message-ID: --- Stanley C. Mortel wrote: > I'm using Acronis to copy a partition from one IDE > drive to another identical drive, both are 120 GB with a single > partition. One drive is connected to the on-board IDE controller, the > other is connected to a 3WARE RAID controller with only one drive on > it. Each drive is alone on its channel / cable, set to cable select, on > the right connector, etc. If I copy from the IDE to the 3WARE, it takes > about 5 minutes. If I try it the other way around, it tells me it is > going to take 2 hours. There is nothing in my knowledge base to explain > this. Anyone know why this would happen? If you don't know for sure, > any reasonable ideas? Informed speculation: my guess would be something to do with DMA. What kind of CPU usage can you track in each direction? BIOS settings may matter here, or forcing a UDMA mode may have an effect on performance. ~~ Michael Rudas My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com My blog: http://FaveSoft.blogspot.com My Protopage links: http://TinyURL.com/3wt54n From bbartilson at comcast.net Fri Feb 6 15:46:05 2009 From: bbartilson at comcast.net (Bill Bartilson) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 15:46:05 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Disk drive controller question In-Reply-To: <498C90F1.4010400@cyber-nos.com> References: <498C90F1.4010400@cyber-nos.com> Message-ID: <94C4B60B-3558-4883-8E77-CBCF673BB291@comcast.net> One is obviously faster than the other. :) All kidding aside, if you want to shed light on what the actual differences are: 1. Swap the drives. I know you say they are identical, but they can't be. Each drive has different physical parts. One drive might be dying, one might be healthy. At any rate, it's only science if you can duplicate it. Mark one 'A' and one 'B' and try each on each different controller, copying each way, and note any differences, and whether the differences follow the drive or not. 2. Repeat the same deal with each other item. (IDE wires, different jumper settings on the drive, anything else you can think of to change.) Keep good notes. 3. Try a different piece of software (Gparted or something) Perhaps the code written for reading data with controller X works much better with controller X, but only for long reads, and works like crap for long writes. I dunno. Via process of elimination, you'll discover that one controller reads or writes a lot faster, one of the drives is actually not so good, or something in the code itself is different. This all presumes it's not merely an intellectual question and you care to 'know' the answer. I for one would be interested to hear your findings if you care to try. Me thinks the most likely scenario is that one of the drives is getting funky. In which case I'd say Spinrite them both before you try anything else. Regards, B On Feb 6, 2009, at 2:35 PM, Stanley C. Mortel wrote: > OK, here's the deal. I'm using Acronis to copy a partition from one > IDE > drive to another identical drive, both are 120 GB with a single > partition. One drive is connected to the on-board IDE controller, the > other is connected to a 3WARE RAID controller with only one drive on > it. Each drive is alone on its channel / cable, set to cable > select, on > the right connector, etc. If I copy from the IDE to the 3WARE, it > takes > about 5 minutes. If I try it the other way around, it tells me it is > going to take 2 hours. There is nothing in my knowledge base to > explain > this. Anyone know why this would happen? If you don't know for sure, > any reasonable ideas? > > Stan > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From mortel at cyber-nos.com Fri Feb 6 16:41:09 2009 From: mortel at cyber-nos.com (Stanley C. Mortel) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 16:41:09 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Disk drive controller question In-Reply-To: <94C4B60B-3558-4883-8E77-CBCF673BB291@comcast.net> References: <498C90F1.4010400@cyber-nos.com> <94C4B60B-3558-4883-8E77-CBCF673BB291@comcast.net> Message-ID: <498CAE75.7020401@cyber-nos.com> Points 1 and 2 have already been accounted for. Copy partition on A attached to on-board IDE to B attached to 3WARE: takes 5 minutes. Now just disconnect the cables at the drives and swap them around. Copy partition on A attached to 3WARE to B attached to on-board IDE: takes 2 hours. Point 3 is, I suppose, possible, but the on-board IDE controller works just fine and isn't THAT old. If it could only write about 1/24th as fast as the 3WARE card then either the system would suck in normal operation or the 3WARE card would be worth a lot of money. Besides that, the on-board IDE controller would have to be only writing at 1/24th of what the drive is capable of. I haven't taken a look at the specs of the drive, but, again, the system and IDE controller are not that old, and they work as expected. Also, they are both on the same PCI-33 bus. I may be that the 3WARE card is caching a bunch, but for a sustained transfer like this, that wouldn't account for the difference. I think. Stan Bill Bartilson wrote: > One is obviously faster than the other. :) > > All kidding aside, if you want to shed light on what the actual > differences are: > > 1. Swap the drives. I know you say they are identical, but they > can't be. Each drive has different physical parts. One drive might > be dying, one might be healthy. At any rate, it's only science if you > can duplicate it. Mark one 'A' and one 'B' and try each on each > different controller, copying each way, and note any differences, and > whether the differences follow the drive or not. > > 2. Repeat the same deal with each other item. (IDE wires, different > jumper settings on the drive, anything else you can think of to > change.) Keep good notes. > > 3. Try a different piece of software (Gparted or something) Perhaps > the code written for reading data with controller X works much better > with controller X, but only for long reads, and works like crap for > long writes. I dunno. > > Via process of elimination, you'll discover that one controller reads > or writes a lot faster, one of the drives is actually not so good, or > something in the code itself is different. > > This all presumes it's not merely an intellectual question and you > care to 'know' the answer. I for one would be interested to hear your > findings if you care to try. > > Me thinks the most likely scenario is that one of the drives is > getting funky. In which case I'd say Spinrite them both before you > try anything else. > > Regards, > B > > > On Feb 6, 2009, at 2:35 PM, Stanley C. Mortel wrote: > > >> OK, here's the deal. I'm using Acronis to copy a partition from one >> IDE >> drive to another identical drive, both are 120 GB with a single >> partition. One drive is connected to the on-board IDE controller, the >> other is connected to a 3WARE RAID controller with only one drive on >> it. Each drive is alone on its channel / cable, set to cable >> select, on >> the right connector, etc. If I copy from the IDE to the 3WARE, it >> takes >> about 5 minutes. If I try it the other way around, it tells me it is >> going to take 2 hours. There is nothing in my knowledge base to >> explain >> this. Anyone know why this would happen? If you don't know for sure, >> any reasonable ideas? >> >> Stan >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090206/89bb2c96/attachment.html From bbartilson at comcast.net Fri Feb 6 17:43:57 2009 From: bbartilson at comcast.net (Bill Bartilson) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 17:43:57 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Disk drive controller question In-Reply-To: <498CAE75.7020401@cyber-nos.com> References: <498C90F1.4010400@cyber-nos.com> <94C4B60B-3558-4883-8E77-CBCF673BB291@comcast.net> <498CAE75.7020401@cyber-nos.com> Message-ID: Nope. Not accounted for. We have to copy a partition from B to A from each controller. Could be some low level problem with the drive, how the partition table worked out on one vs. the other, or how you've got one of the cables routed when it gets hooked to the other drive. You're right that caching really should not be an issue over the period of sustained read/write we're discussing. As a tech guy for many years, when I see hoof prints, I think horses, not zebras. It is very likely that you are dealing with something mundane and ordinary. (like a drive that ain't happy for some reason, or one controller's immunity OR sensitivity to some kind of noise) as opposed to something really out of the ordinary. (like cosmic rays or other stellar phenomena) Something that's unusual doesn't necessarily mean genuinely *weird*. Statistics aren't worth much by themselves. Statistics based on my own experience, I tend to believe. And somewhere between 80% and 90% of what I see are relatively simple problems. Good troubleshooting will ALWAYS get you to the source of the problem. You have yet to do more than half the work for eliminating the drives themselves as an issue. When PC's (of any variety) go funky or act unusually, the vast majority have issues with power supply or disk drives. Period. ALL of the rest of the problems account for only 1 or 2 out of 10 repairs. Again, it's a matter of whether you actually care to find out or not. I merely suggested possibilities for elimination. You're welcome to try or not at your own discretion. I heartily endorse Spinrite for anyone to use on any system. It doesn't replace backup, but it obviates the need for disaster recovery much of the time. -B On Feb 6, 2009, at 4:41 PM, Stanley C. Mortel wrote: > Points 1 and 2 have already been accounted for. Copy partition on A > attached to on-board IDE to B attached to 3WARE: takes 5 minutes. > Now just disconnect the cables at the drives and swap them around. > Copy partition on A attached to 3WARE to B attached to on-board > IDE: takes 2 hours. Point 3 is, I suppose, possible, but the on- > board IDE controller works just fine and isn't THAT old. If it > could only write about 1/24th as fast as the 3WARE card then either > the system would suck in normal operation or the 3WARE card would be > worth a lot of money. Besides that, the on-board IDE controller > would have to be only writing at 1/24th of what the drive is capable > of. I haven't taken a look at the specs of the drive, but, again, > the system and IDE controller are not that old, and they work as > expected. Also, they are both on the same PCI-33 bus. I may be > that the 3WARE card is caching a bunch, but for a sustained transfer > like this, that wouldn't account for the difference. > > I think. > > Stan > > > > Bill Bartilson wrote: >> >> One is obviously faster than the other. :) >> >> All kidding aside, if you want to shed light on what the actual >> differences are: >> >> 1. Swap the drives. I know you say they are identical, but they >> can't be. Each drive has different physical parts. One drive might >> be dying, one might be healthy. At any rate, it's only science if >> you >> can duplicate it. Mark one 'A' and one 'B' and try each on each >> different controller, copying each way, and note any differences, and >> whether the differences follow the drive or not. >> >> 2. Repeat the same deal with each other item. (IDE wires, different >> jumper settings on the drive, anything else you can think of to >> change.) Keep good notes. >> >> 3. Try a different piece of software (Gparted or something) Perhaps >> the code written for reading data with controller X works much better >> with controller X, but only for long reads, and works like crap for >> long writes. I dunno. >> >> Via process of elimination, you'll discover that one controller reads >> or writes a lot faster, one of the drives is actually not so good, or >> something in the code itself is different. >> >> This all presumes it's not merely an intellectual question and you >> care to 'know' the answer. I for one would be interested to hear >> your >> findings if you care to try. >> >> Me thinks the most likely scenario is that one of the drives is >> getting funky. In which case I'd say Spinrite them both before you >> try anything else. >> >> Regards, >> B >> >> >> On Feb 6, 2009, at 2:35 PM, Stanley C. Mortel wrote: >> >> >>> OK, here's the deal. I'm using Acronis to copy a partition from one >>> IDE >>> drive to another identical drive, both are 120 GB with a single >>> partition. One drive is connected to the on-board IDE controller, >>> the >>> other is connected to a 3WARE RAID controller with only one drive on >>> it. Each drive is alone on its channel / cable, set to cable >>> select, on >>> the right connector, etc. If I copy from the IDE to the 3WARE, it >>> takes >>> about 5 minutes. If I try it the other way around, it tells me it >>> is >>> going to take 2 hours. There is nothing in my knowledge base to >>> explain >>> this. Anyone know why this would happen? If you don't know for >>> sure, >>> any reasonable ideas? >>> >>> Stan >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> linux-user mailing list >>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090206/ce60f957/attachment-0001.html From mortel at cyber-nos.com Fri Feb 6 18:53:00 2009 From: mortel at cyber-nos.com (Stanley C. Mortel) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 18:53:00 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Disk Drive Controller issue: Message-ID: <498CCD5C.5030909@cyber-nos.com> Background: 1. Using Acronis to copy a partition from one IDE drive (A) to another identical drive (B), both are 120 GB with a single partition. Each drive is alone on its channel / cable, set to cable select, on the right connector, etc. 2. When A is connected to the on-board IDE controller and B is connected to a 3WARE RAID controller, it takes about 5 minutes. (3ware is doing the writing) 3. When B is connected to the on-board IDE controller and A is connected to a 3WARE RAID controller, it tells me it is going to take 2 hours. (3ware is doing the reading) Eliminated: cables: disconnected at both ends and swapped. No change. UDMI: Turned off, no change. Turned back on. PCI slot: In case it was a bus mastering issue. Moved 3ware card to slot 1 from slot 2. No change. Moved back. IDE channel on 3 ware card: Plugged cable into channel 2 socket. No change Degraded array issue: Attached both drives to 3ware card. Warned about a degraded array on empty drive (B). Deleted the array. Reset cables to original configuration. No change. 3ware read problem: Attached both drives again to 3ware card as JOBD. Partition copy time 5 minutes. IDE write problem Primary channel: Attached CD to 3ware card, A drive to 2ndary IDE channel, B drive to primary channel. Won't boot to CD in this configuration. Removed 3ware card. CD slave on 2ndary IDE, A drive master on 2ndary IDE, B drive master on primary IDE. No change. Swapped cables so B drive is master on 2ndary IDE channel. No Change. After letting things run for awhile, the 2 hour estimate kept getting revised down, to just over an hour. I guess I have to conclude that the 3ware card really is that much faster at writing than the on-board IDE controller. I didn't replace the 3ware card with another one, but it isn't the problem anyway. At least, if it is a 3ware read problem, then there is also an on-board IDE read problem....unlikely. I have a vague recollection of running into something like this before. I was using a Promise IDE controller to copy partitions. Most of the time it went by in a few minutes, but every so often it would take over an hour. I thought it was just something to do with the drives I was using, e.g., they weren't identical, but maybe this is a widespread phenomenon. If anyone ever finds they can shed light on this matter, I would appreciate it. I'm done. Gonna just create the partition in the way that takes 5 minutes and go make dinner. Thanks to all for your feedback. Stan From dbosman at msu.edu Fri Feb 6 19:34:09 2009 From: dbosman at msu.edu (Don Bosman) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:34:09 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Disk Drive Controller issue: In-Reply-To: <498CCD5C.5030909@cyber-nos.com> References: <498CCD5C.5030909@cyber-nos.com> Message-ID: <498CD701.4070407@msu.edu> I've run into this issue with Acronis Home 11, and it can't have anything to do with the 2nd drive as I'm always putting the image on the same external 1 Tb USB drive. When a long copy occurs it is because for some reason I can't copy the partition and boot sector in one pass. If the partition and boot sector will allow them selves to be copied in one pass, the process is short. When they won't, it's an hour plus. Don Bosman Stanley C. Mortel wrote: > Background: > > 1. Using Acronis to copy a partition from one IDE drive (A) to another identical drive (B), both are 120 GB with a single > partition. Each drive is alone on its channel / cable, set to cable select, on the right connector, etc. > > identical, but maybe this is a widespread phenomenon. If anyone ever > finds they can shed light on this matter, I would appreciate it. > From rick at divinesymphony.net Sat Feb 7 13:19:41 2009 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 13:19:41 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Disk drive controller question In-Reply-To: References: <498C90F1.4010400@cyber-nos.com> <94C4B60B-3558-4883-8E77-CBCF673BB291@comcast.net> <498CAE75.7020401@cyber-nos.com> Message-ID: And turn on SMART! 2009/2/6 Bill Bartilson > Nope. Not accounted for. We have to copy a partition from B to A from > each controller. Could be some low level problem with the drive, how the > partition table worked out on one vs. the other, or how you've got one of > the cables routed when it gets hooked to the other drive. > You're right that caching really should not be an issue over the period of > sustained read/write we're discussing. > > As a tech guy for many years, when I see hoof prints, I think horses, not > zebras. It is very likely that you are dealing with something mundane and > ordinary. (like a drive that ain't happy for some reason, or one > controller's immunity OR sensitivity to some kind of noise) as opposed to > something really out of the ordinary. (like cosmic rays or other stellar > phenomena) Something that's unusual doesn't necessarily mean genuinely > *weird*. > > Statistics aren't worth much by themselves. Statistics based on my own > experience, I tend to believe. And somewhere between 80% and 90% of what I > see are relatively simple problems. Good troubleshooting will ALWAYS get > you to the source of the problem. You have yet to do more than half the > work for eliminating the drives themselves as an issue. When PC's (of any > variety) go funky or act unusually, the vast majority have issues with power > supply or disk drives. Period. ALL of the rest of the problems account for > only 1 or 2 out of 10 repairs. > > Again, it's a matter of whether you actually care to find out or not. I > merely suggested possibilities for elimination. You're welcome to try or > not at your own discretion. I heartily endorse Spinrite for anyone to use > on any system. It doesn't replace backup, but it obviates the need for > disaster recovery much of the time. > > -B > > > On Feb 6, 2009, at 4:41 PM, Stanley C. Mortel wrote: > > Points 1 and 2 have already been accounted for. Copy partition on A > attached to on-board IDE to B attached to 3WARE: takes 5 minutes. Now just > disconnect the cables at the drives and swap them around. Copy partition on > A attached to 3WARE to B attached to on-board IDE: takes 2 hours. Point 3 > is, I suppose, possible, but the on-board IDE controller works just fine and > isn't THAT old. If it could only write about 1/24th as fast as the 3WARE > card then either the system would suck in normal operation or the 3WARE card > would be worth a lot of money. Besides that, the on-board IDE controller > would have to be only writing at 1/24th of what the drive is capable of. I > haven't taken a look at the specs of the drive, but, again, the system and > IDE controller are not that old, and they work as expected. Also, they are > both on the same PCI-33 bus. I may be that the 3WARE card is caching a > bunch, but for a sustained transfer like this, that wouldn't account for the > difference. > > I think. > > Stan > > > > Bill Bartilson wrote: > > One is obviously faster than the other. :) > > All kidding aside, if you want to shed light on what the actual > differences are: > > 1. Swap the drives. I know you say they are identical, but they > can't be. Each drive has different physical parts. One drive might > be dying, one might be healthy. At any rate, it's only science if you > can duplicate it. Mark one 'A' and one 'B' and try each on each > different controller, copying each way, and note any differences, and > whether the differences follow the drive or not. > > 2. Repeat the same deal with each other item. (IDE wires, different > jumper settings on the drive, anything else you can think of to > change.) Keep good notes. > > 3. Try a different piece of software (Gparted or something) Perhaps > the code written for reading data with controller X works much better > with controller X, but only for long reads, and works like crap for > long writes. I dunno. > > Via process of elimination, you'll discover that one controller reads > or writes a lot faster, one of the drives is actually not so good, or > something in the code itself is different. > > This all presumes it's not merely an intellectual question and you > care to 'know' the answer. I for one would be interested to hear your > findings if you care to try. > > Me thinks the most likely scenario is that one of the drives is > getting funky. In which case I'd say Spinrite them both before you > try anything else. > > Regards, > B > > > On Feb 6, 2009, at 2:35 PM, Stanley C. Mortel wrote: > > > > OK, here's the deal. I'm using Acronis to copy a partition from one > IDE > drive to another identical drive, both are 120 GB with a single > partition. One drive is connected to the on-board IDE controller, the > other is connected to a 3WARE RAID controller with only one drive on > it. Each drive is alone on its channel / cable, set to cable > select, on > the right connector, etc. If I copy from the IDE to the 3WARE, it > takes > about 5 minutes. If I try it the other way around, it tells me it is > going to take 2 hours. There is nothing in my knowledge base to > explain > this. Anyone know why this would happen? If you don't know for sure, > any reasonable ideas? > > Stan > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing listlinux-user at egr.msu.eduhttp://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing listlinux-user at egr.msu.eduhttp://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090207/59600483/attachment.html From idealso00 at gmail.com Sat Feb 7 16:03:57 2009 From: idealso00 at gmail.com (Sc) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 16:03:57 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] HELP on ubuntu 8.10 and squid and webmin can connecting to email Message-ID: <20090207160357.1f84353f@angless> This is shawn caron. I am having a problem with squid on ubuntu server 8.10. It wont accept my rules from smoothwall. Also i have webmin installed to port 10000 and squid wont accept connections to it. I have fixed the grub hard disk error and i can have it reloaded in a few minutes with some tweaking to the kernel. What i need help is taking the rules from smoothwall and applying them to ubuntu server in iptables. Also when i had it some what working i could not get to port 995 and 465 and 587 and 9100 which are email and printer. If some one could help me on the iptables i would greatly appreacate it. I am in the mid time going back to smoothwall for the moment while i hammer this out. Shawn From mortel at cyber-nos.com Sun Feb 8 17:50:52 2009 From: mortel at cyber-nos.com (Stanley C. Mortel) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:50:52 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] SD card error Message-ID: <498F61CC.80605@cyber-nos.com> A friend gave me an SD card with pictures from a trip to Peru on it. He has been unable to read the card. Took it to Ritz Camera and they couldn't read it. My printer says "Error on card" when it tries to read it. Anyone know of any tricks or more advanced ways to try to recover the pictures from this card? Stan From mlachniet at analysts.com Sun Feb 8 18:31:57 2009 From: mlachniet at analysts.com (Lachniet, Mark) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 18:31:57 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] SD card error In-Reply-To: <498F61CC.80605@cyber-nos.com> References: <498F61CC.80605@cyber-nos.com> Message-ID: <877ACA86E1EAE648BF2D28ADEAA4798701216B06@dtwcoexchmbx2.seqnt.com> I have a software program - "DataLifter Digital Companion" that can recover images from flash cards - even partial and deleted ones. It's a forensics tool. However, it has to be able to read the card. For free you might be able to image it on a linux box using dd and then use foremost to carve the images off. Even if the FAT is messed up you still might have some luck that way. I'd be willing to try to help if its important, if you can get me an image of the flash drive, for example doing something like: Linux> dd if=/dev/flash0 of=flashcard.img bs=512 MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING!!! IF YOU REVERSE THIS YOU'LL DELETE YOUR CARD BY COPYING THE WRONG WAY! The if (infile) is made up for demonstrative purposes, you'll have to see what your system recognizes. Then use foremost http://sourceforge.net/projects/foremost/ by fiddling with the config file to enable JPG files and using the image as a source. Mark Lachniet Solutions Architect - Security Analysts International 3101 Technology Blvd. Suite A Lansing, MI 48910 (517) 336-1004 (office) mlachniet at analysts.com -----Original Message----- From: linux-user-bounces at egr.msu.edu [mailto:linux-user-bounces at egr.msu.edu] On Behalf Of Stanley C. Mortel Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 5:51 PM To: GLLUG Subject: [GLLUG] SD card error A friend gave me an SD card with pictures from a trip to Peru on it. He has been unable to read the card. Took it to Ritz Camera and they couldn't read it. My printer says "Error on card" when it tries to read it. Anyone know of any tricks or more advanced ways to try to recover the pictures from this card? Stan _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user at egr.msu.edu http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From audiotech50 at gmail.com Sun Feb 8 18:57:17 2009 From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 18:57:17 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Muppy Linux (Minisys Puppy) Message-ID: I was just at the SEMCO installfest and a couple of machines just couldn't load any Linuxes that we fed 'em (one was a 200 MHz Pentium MMX laptop!)--but this worked REALLY well, so I'm sharing... Minisys Puppy (Muppy) Linux--as you might have guessed, it's a Puppy Linux variant: I had not tried it before, but I was quite impressed--it's worth checking out, if you have a need for a low-resource Linux. ~~ Michael Rudas My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com My blog: http://FaveSoft.blogspot.com My Protopage links: http://TinyURL.com/3wt54n From rick at divinesymphony.net Sun Feb 8 23:26:41 2009 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 23:26:41 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] SD card error In-Reply-To: <877ACA86E1EAE648BF2D28ADEAA4798701216B06@dtwcoexchmbx2.seqnt.com> References: <498F61CC.80605@cyber-nos.com> <877ACA86E1EAE648BF2D28ADEAA4798701216B06@dtwcoexchmbx2.seqnt.com> Message-ID: For making the image, ddrescue is a lot better suited than dd. Basically, it does the same thing when everything goes right, but is designed specifically for when things aren't ideal. I usually use it for recovering data of failing hard drives. For the best performance in the case of error retries, make sure to match the sector size with the physical media itself. On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Lachniet, Mark wrote: > I have a software program - "DataLifter Digital Companion" that can > recover images from flash cards - even partial and deleted ones. It's a > forensics tool. However, it has to be able to read the card. For free > you might be able to image it on a linux box using dd and then use > foremost to carve the images off. Even if the FAT is messed up you > still might have some luck that way. > > I'd be willing to try to help if its important, if you can get me an > image of the flash drive, for example doing something like: > > Linux> dd if=/dev/flash0 of=flashcard.img bs=512 > > MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING!!! IF YOU REVERSE THIS YOU'LL > DELETE YOUR CARD BY COPYING THE WRONG WAY! > > The if (infile) is made up for demonstrative purposes, you'll have to > see what your system recognizes. Then use foremost > http://sourceforge.net/projects/foremost/ by fiddling with the config > file to enable JPG files and using the image as a source. > > Mark Lachniet > Solutions Architect - Security > Analysts International > 3101 Technology Blvd. Suite A > Lansing, MI 48910 > (517) 336-1004 (office) > mlachniet at analysts.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-user-bounces at egr.msu.edu > [mailto:linux-user-bounces at egr.msu.edu] On Behalf Of Stanley C. Mortel > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 5:51 PM > To: GLLUG > Subject: [GLLUG] SD card error > > A friend gave me an SD card with pictures from a trip to Peru on it. He > has been unable to read the card. Took it to Ritz Camera and they > couldn't read it. My printer says "Error on card" when it tries to read > it. Anyone know of any tricks or more advanced ways to try to recover > the pictures from this card? > > Stan > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090208/fe6ce811/attachment.html From audiotech50 at gmail.com Sun Feb 8 23:53:05 2009 From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 23:53:05 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] SD card error In-Reply-To: <498F61CC.80605@cyber-nos.com> References: <498F61CC.80605@cyber-nos.com> Message-ID: --- Stanley C. Mortel wrote: > A friend gave me an SD card with pictures from a trip to Peru on it. He > has been unable to read the card. Took it to Ritz Camera and they > couldn't read it. My printer says "Error on card" when it tries to read > it. Anyone know of any tricks or more advanced ways to try to recover > the pictures from this card? If all else fails, you can try scandisk or chkdsk from within Windows--it IS a FAT filesystem, after all. ~~ Michael Rudas My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com My blog: http://FaveSoft.blogspot.com My Protopage links: http://TinyURL.com/3wt54n From david at ramaboo.com Tue Feb 10 18:26:14 2009 From: david at ramaboo.com (David Singer) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:26:14 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] sending password though headers with php is it possible? Message-ID: <80324a260902101526t687345f7oabc2fc3590a467ea@mail.gmail.com> There is a website http://mt-training.com/learntranscriptiontyping/Course/KK/ if you go there it pops up a little login box asking for a username and password which are both 'demo' >From my site (on a different domain) I would like to redirect people to the above url without them needing to enter the username and password. Is this possible? Can i somehow attach these to headers and redirect them there? A simple solution would be to redirect them to http://demo:demo at mt-training.com/learntranscriptiontyping/Course/KK/ however this is not well supported. Anyone know a better solution? I have played with PHP header() a bit with no luck. I was able to send an authentication header and grab all the content of the site and then spit it back out on a blank page the problem with this though is the site contains relative urls to style sheets which then stopped working. so simple getting the content is not enough i really need to do a full redirect so they are on the mt-training.com domain (which i have no control over). Thanks David From mortel at cyber-nos.com Wed Feb 11 13:14:52 2009 From: mortel at cyber-nos.com (Stanley C. Mortel) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:14:52 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon computer lounge demos Message-ID: <4993159C.6060502@cyber-nos.com> Is anyone planning on taking a demo box to penguicon this year? If so, you need to let it be known A.S.A.P., since the computer lounge layout needs to be submitted before the end of the month so that the hotel will provide us with the tables, etc. that we need. I assume we are still planning on, (ummm) planning the layout of the lounge this Thursday at the GLLUG meeting. Stan From clay at lazarusid.com Thu Feb 12 12:19:41 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:19:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Beer Glasses Message-ID: I've done a little research on glasses. There's a store in Flint that specializes in this kind of marketing material, and they've got the best prices I've found so far. So what we need to do now is decide what we actually want. Printed glasses run to $5 each, with a minimum order of 72 glasses. Etched glasses run around $10, with a minimum order of 48 glasses. If people are willing to pony up $15-$20/glass, we can buy individual glasses. These glasses appear to be much nicer, but I haven't seen physical specimens. The prices I'm look at are for 16 oz pilsner glasses, but other glass styles are similarly priced. In any event, because of minimum order sizes, we'd need to commit to buying sets of glasses. Is that a path we want to take? From eduardo at cesconetto.com Thu Feb 12 17:28:13 2009 From: eduardo at cesconetto.com (Eduardo Cesconetto) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:28:13 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Eat after meeting? Message-ID: Hey gang Today will most likely be the last GLLUG meeting for me in a while, I'll be moving to Houston before the end of the month. I tought maybe having a bite and a beer after the meeting would be a nice way to say my good byes(at least for a while) Anybody in for it ? Eduardo Cesconetto | eduardo at cesconetto.com From sqateez at gmail.com Thu Feb 12 17:42:50 2009 From: sqateez at gmail.com (pinnamaneni sateesh) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:42:50 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] new to this group Message-ID: <34ff5da0902121442m6be8e1afy852fc4d563d8baae@mail.gmail.com> Hi Every one, My name is sateesh, new to this group. In fact new to linux itself. have been programmer for quite some time, but never happened to work on linux platform. i am curious to explore the magic of linux, looking forward to attend the linux meetings. Please can some let me know the place and time? I think it's too late for today, will try for next meeting. thanks. -Sateesh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090212/22e615af/attachment.html From eduardo at cesconetto.com Thu Feb 12 17:43:17 2009 From: eduardo at cesconetto.com (Eduardo Cesconetto) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:43:17 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Meeting today? Message-ID: <7CAB2AE3-798F-4D60-8DB2-E309B281AA7C@cesconetto.com> I just got to the library and there was another group meeting in the room, do we have a specific time to get in or am I missing something? Eduardo Cesconetto | eduardo at cesconetto.com From eduardo at cesconetto.com Thu Feb 12 17:53:12 2009 From: eduardo at cesconetto.com (Eduardo Cesconetto) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:53:12 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] new to this group In-Reply-To: <34ff5da0902121442m6be8e1afy852fc4d563d8baae@mail.gmail.com> References: <34ff5da0902121442m6be8e1afy852fc4d563d8baae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Sateesh, we meet at the Capital Area District Library Thursdays @ 6PM It' in the corner of Kalamazoo and Capitol. If you are in the downtown area may not be too late to come today. People show up as late as 7:30/8PM Eduardo Cesconetto | eduardo at cesconetto.com On Feb 12, 2009, at 5:42 PM, pinnamaneni sateesh wrote: > Hi Every one, > > My name is sateesh, new to this group. In fact new to linux itself. > have been programmer for quite some time, but never happened to work > on linux platform. > i am curious to explore the magic of linux, looking forward to > attend the linux meetings. Please can some let me know the place and > time? > I think it's too late for today, will try for next meeting. thanks. > > -Sateesh > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From c.e.tower at gmail.com Sun Feb 15 21:34:13 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:34:13 -0600 Subject: [GLLUG] Brazilian Beef Grill In-Reply-To: <4997ABEE.8020906@lazarusid.com> References: <498F8FB6.2020909@gmail.com> <20090209131923.6d4c6e85@osiris> <49910C79.6040707@cyber-nos.com> <49961551.90703@gmail.com> <49970610.9070500@lazarusid.com> <49975663.80405@gmail.com> <4997ABEE.8020906@lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <4998D0A5.8080605@gmail.com> Well, I just today drove down to St. Louis, Missouri, for a week or more. Here's the listing, if anyone wants to check it out. It has been listed at least twice, so it might still be available for a while. http://lansing.craigslist.org/spo/1033461051.html Chick Clay Dowling wrote: > eduardo cesconetto wrote: >> So, here is my 5c: >> >> - last year's grill was "fail" >> - too big, we ended up using only one section 90% of the time >> - I got burned pretty bad because it needed too much charcoal to keep >> it going. >> >> So, in my humble opinion, my grill is sufficient. All a mater of >> timing correctly. > Okay. I say that we should investigate the Craigs List grill as well. > It might be something that GLLUG should buy, or at least one of the > members. Ownership of the appropriate grill(s) would ensure that we own > the Brazilian Beef event as well, and would eliminate situations like we > had this year where the event almost didn't happen. > > Even if Eduardo's grill is sufficient, it wouldn't be a bad thing to > have a second grill available to us. If we can get the grillers, which I > think we can, that lets us deal with the crowds better. > > Chick, if you could contact the Craigslist seller I'd be willing to go > and look at the grill with you. Ideally having Eduardo along would work > too, or at least we should look at Eduardo's grill first. Call me at > 810-869-4390 when you've set up a time, or pass the contact info to me > and I'll set it up. I'm normally in Saint Johns during the week, but I > can come over there on the weekend too and combine it with a visit to my > parents, since they live in DeWitt. > > Clay > From clay at lazarusid.com Wed Feb 18 11:41:47 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:41:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] GLLUG Shirt Sale Message-ID: Printfection is offering a 30% discount on shirts and everything else until the 20th (Friday). If you wanted a shirt or a mousepad this might be a good time to pick it up. The GLLUG stuff is at http://www.printfection.com/dowlingshirts/GLLUG/_s_155278 You'll need to enter the code 3PFBDAY at checkout to get your discount. Clay From clay at lazarusid.com Wed Feb 18 11:55:23 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:55:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] BBQ Aprons Message-ID: I figured it couldn't hurt, and could be fun. I added a BBQ Apron to the store with the GLLUG logo and text that reads "Everybody Loves Our Beef" in red script. Aprons are $17, although the sale applies to them as well, so they should be closer to $12 if you order this week and remember your coupon code (3PFBDAY) Clay From clay at lazarusid.com Wed Feb 18 12:02:24 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:02:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Coupon update Message-ID: So it turns out that you need an order of $25 to get the 30% discount. An apron and a mouse pad puts you over the limit, and comes out to $26.38 with shipping. That amounts to a couple of dollars plus free shipping, which isn't bad. From c.e.tower at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 15:01:46 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:01:46 -0600 Subject: [GLLUG] Coupon update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <499C692A.6030108@gmail.com> Or people could consolidate orders. Chick Clay Dowling wrote: > So it turns out that you need an order of $25 to get the 30% discount. An > apron and a mouse pad puts you over the limit, and comes out to $26.38 > with shipping. That amounts to a couple of dollars plus free shipping, > which isn't bad. From charles at bityard.net Thu Feb 19 14:43:32 2009 From: charles at bityard.net (Charles) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:43:32 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon 7.0 Call for Lounge Volunteers Message-ID: <499DB664.7080705@bityard.net> Hey everyone, This is the call for volunteers for the computer lounge at Penguicon, taking place May 1-3 in Romulus. I don't think we have too many people on the mailing list who haven't heard of Penguicon yet so I'll skip the introduction. If you want more information, please feel free to email me, post to the mailing list, or check out http://penguicon.org/. Probably the biggest area we could use help with is staffing the computer lounge. We need people to be there mostly to keep an eye on things and make sure that none of the equipment is abused/vandalized/stolen. We have had zero problems with this in the past thanks to our vigilant volunteers. It's a very simple job: you just wear a badge and hang around for awhile. No computery-type knowledge is required. We also need individuals during the busy hours to interact with visitors to the lounge, answering questions and providing help when needed. Computery-type knowledge is a plus here. So why volunteer your time in the lounge? - We can't have a computer lounge in the first place without people selflessly donating their time to it. - It's fun and social. - If you volunteer enough time, you get reward points and possibly a reimbursement on your registration. - The more people we have to staff the lounge, the less time each individual has to put into it. A rough draft of the schedule is up at: https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pGBFPJKXgLCFPKEkZfmuAYg You'll notice that it's mostly empty. Here's where you can help: If you're interested in volunteering, send an email to me charles at bityard.net. If you don't know what time you want, that's fine! We can work out the details later. I just want to know that you're interested. If you can convince friends and family to voluneer too, then great. Just be prepared to vouch for them since these positions involve a degree of trust. So please, come to Penguicon, help out in the lounge, and have a great time on the cheap. Nobody I know of has gone to Penguicon and said it sucked. Even if sci-fi or computers isn't your thing, you're still going to find something awesome. Charles -- http://bityard.net From eduardo at cesconetto.com Thu Feb 19 17:28:34 2009 From: eduardo at cesconetto.com (eduardo cesconetto) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:28:34 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] BBQ Aprons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9BEECE88-ACF2-45E5-970C-D81164F41B6E@cesconetto.com> err.. Just for the ones that have over 40% of brain damage(by beer, marij.. err.. tea... etc...), what is the store's url? Eduardo Cesconetto | eduardo at cesconetto.com | (517) 507-5966 On Feb 18, 2009, at 11:55 AM, Clay Dowling wrote: > I figured it couldn't hurt, and could be fun. I added a BBQ Apron > to the > store with the GLLUG logo and text that reads "Everybody Loves Our > Beef" > in red script. > > Aprons are $17, although the sale applies to them as well, so they > should > be closer to $12 if you order this week and remember your coupon code > (3PFBDAY) > > Clay > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From clay at lazarusid.com Fri Feb 20 10:26:20 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:26:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] BBQ Aprons In-Reply-To: <9BEECE88-ACF2-45E5-970C-D81164F41B6E@cesconetto.com> References: <9BEECE88-ACF2-45E5-970C-D81164F41B6E@cesconetto.com> Message-ID: http://www.printfection.com/dowlingshirts/ Clay On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, eduardo cesconetto wrote: > err.. > Just for the ones that have over 40% of brain damage(by beer, marij.. > err.. tea... etc...), what is the store's url? > > Eduardo Cesconetto | eduardo at cesconetto.com | (517) 507-5966 > > > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 11:55 AM, Clay Dowling wrote: > >> I figured it couldn't hurt, and could be fun. I added a BBQ Apron >> to the >> store with the GLLUG logo and text that reads "Everybody Loves Our >> Beef" >> in red script. >> >> Aprons are $17, although the sale applies to them as well, so they >> should >> be closer to $12 if you order this week and remember your coupon code >> (3PFBDAY) >> >> Clay >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From clay at lazarusid.com Fri Feb 20 10:51:34 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:51:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Aprons vs Ribbons Message-ID: Chick pointed out to me that he's getting an official ribbon for this event. The aprons definitely aren't any kind of official thing, they're just something that you might want to get for yourself. An awesome thing that you might want to get for yourself, but nothing like an official identifier for the grillers. Clay From karl.schuttler at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 18:26:58 2009 From: karl.schuttler at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:26:58 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] OT: Free older computer parts Message-ID: <984d708a0902211526y10598f6co3765bca4765320c@mail.gmail.com> Hello, After my Ypsilanti hiatus, I'm back in town for Spring Break. Cleaning out my place, I notice I've accumulated a 'wealth' of older computer parts. Much of this is legacy, but working (p3 era, mostly). I also have several empty, or partially filled cases (mobo's,processors,memory). If anyone would like this stuff, and will be at this Thursday's meeting, I would be happy to pack it up and give it to you before I make a craigslist. Karl From c.e.tower at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 18:58:58 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:58:58 -0600 Subject: [GLLUG] OT: Free older computer parts In-Reply-To: <984d708a0902211526y10598f6co3765bca4765320c@mail.gmail.com> References: <984d708a0902211526y10598f6co3765bca4765320c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49A09542.2070600@gmail.com> Hell, Karl, sponsor your own Junkpile Wars, EMU edition. "Spring" break with a month of winter left???? Chick Karl Schuttler wrote: > After my Ypsilanti hiatus, I'm back in town for Spring Break. Cleaning > out my place, I notice I've accumulated a 'wealth' of older computer > parts. Much of this is legacy, but working (p3 era, mostly). I also > have several empty, or partially filled cases > (mobo's,processors,memory). If anyone would like this stuff, and will > be at this Thursday's meeting, I would be happy to pack it up and give > it to you before I make a craigslist. > > Karl From clay at lazarusid.com Sun Feb 22 07:45:47 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 07:45:47 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] T-Shirt/Apron sale extended Message-ID: <49A148FB.5090105@lazarusid.com> Just got an email from the t-shirt printing comany, they've extended their 30% off sale until the 27th. So if you want a shirt or an apron, the URL is http://www.printfection.com/dowlingshirts/ The minimum order size to get the discount is $25, which will typically mean that you either need to order two items, or split an order between a couple of people. Clay From picasso at madflower.com Mon Feb 23 09:04:33 2009 From: picasso at madflower.com (Sean O'Malley) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:04:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Beer Glasses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I personally prefer ale glasses as you can use them for table glasses when you aren't drinking beer. However, a gllug mug sounds cooler. :) On Thu, 12 Feb 2009, Clay Dowling wrote: > I've done a little research on glasses. There's a store in Flint that > specializes in this kind of marketing material, and they've got the best > prices I've found so far. So what we need to do now is decide what we > actually want. > > Printed glasses run to $5 each, with a minimum order of 72 glasses. > > Etched glasses run around $10, with a minimum order of 48 glasses. > > If people are willing to pony up $15-$20/glass, we can buy individual > glasses. These glasses appear to be much nicer, but I haven't seen > physical specimens. > > The prices I'm look at are for 16 oz pilsner glasses, but other glass > styles are similarly priced. > > In any event, because of minimum order sizes, we'd need to commit to > buying sets of glasses. Is that a path we want to take? > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From clay at lazarusid.com Mon Feb 23 11:15:33 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:15:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Beer Glasses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We discussed this at a recent meeting, and decided that the number of glasses we needed to buy made the idea impractical. Nobody really wanted to replace all of their glasses with GLLUG glasses. Clay On Mon, 23 Feb 2009, Sean O'Malley wrote: > I personally prefer ale glasses as you can use them for table glasses when > you aren't drinking beer. However, a gllug mug sounds cooler. :) > > > > On Thu, 12 Feb 2009, Clay Dowling wrote: > >> I've done a little research on glasses. There's a store in Flint that >> specializes in this kind of marketing material, and they've got the best >> prices I've found so far. So what we need to do now is decide what we >> actually want. >> >> Printed glasses run to $5 each, with a minimum order of 72 glasses. >> >> Etched glasses run around $10, with a minimum order of 48 glasses. >> >> If people are willing to pony up $15-$20/glass, we can buy individual >> glasses. These glasses appear to be much nicer, but I haven't seen >> physical specimens. >> >> The prices I'm look at are for 16 oz pilsner glasses, but other glass >> styles are similarly priced. >> >> In any event, because of minimum order sizes, we'd need to commit to >> buying sets of glasses. Is that a path we want to take? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> > From rexykik at gmail.com Mon Feb 23 13:13:39 2009 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:13:39 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Beer Glasses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <984d708a0902231013r5f1a30dcte9d4b5330c8f5eae@mail.gmail.com> I've heard that the cafepress steins are actually of pretty decent quality. On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Clay Dowling wrote: > We discussed this at a recent meeting, and decided that the number of > glasses we needed to buy made the idea impractical. Nobody really wanted > to replace all of their glasses with GLLUG glasses. > > Clay > > On Mon, 23 Feb 2009, Sean O'Malley wrote: > >> I personally prefer ale glasses as you can use them for table glasses when >> you aren't drinking beer. However, a gllug mug sounds cooler. :) >> >> >> >> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009, Clay Dowling wrote: >> >>> I've done a little research on glasses. There's a store in Flint that >>> specializes in this kind of marketing material, and they've got the best >>> prices I've found so far. So what we need to do now is decide what we >>> actually want. >>> >>> Printed glasses run to $5 each, with a minimum order of 72 glasses. >>> >>> Etched glasses run around $10, with a minimum order of 48 glasses. >>> >>> If people are willing to pony up $15-$20/glass, we can buy individual >>> glasses. These glasses appear to be much nicer, but I haven't seen >>> physical specimens. >>> >>> The prices I'm look at are for 16 oz pilsner glasses, but other glass >>> styles are similarly priced. >>> >>> In any event, because of minimum order sizes, we'd need to commit to >>> buying sets of glasses. Is that a path we want to take? >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> linux-user mailing list >>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From picasso at madflower.com Mon Feb 23 16:05:23 2009 From: picasso at madflower.com (Sean O'Malley) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:05:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Beer Glasses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That is cool. :) I was going to give them as gifts, but we can roll with t-shirts. :) On Mon, 23 Feb 2009, Clay Dowling wrote: > We discussed this at a recent meeting, and decided that the number of > glasses we needed to buy made the idea impractical. Nobody really wanted > to replace all of their glasses with GLLUG glasses. > > Clay > > On Mon, 23 Feb 2009, Sean O'Malley wrote: > > > I personally prefer ale glasses as you can use them for table glasses when > > you aren't drinking beer. However, a gllug mug sounds cooler. :) > > > > > > > > On Thu, 12 Feb 2009, Clay Dowling wrote: > > > >> I've done a little research on glasses. There's a store in Flint that > >> specializes in this kind of marketing material, and they've got the best > >> prices I've found so far. So what we need to do now is decide what we > >> actually want. > >> > >> Printed glasses run to $5 each, with a minimum order of 72 glasses. > >> > >> Etched glasses run around $10, with a minimum order of 48 glasses. > >> > >> If people are willing to pony up $15-$20/glass, we can buy individual > >> glasses. These glasses appear to be much nicer, but I haven't seen > >> physical specimens. > >> > >> The prices I'm look at are for 16 oz pilsner glasses, but other glass > >> styles are similarly priced. > >> > >> In any event, because of minimum order sizes, we'd need to commit to > >> buying sets of glasses. Is that a path we want to take? > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> linux-user mailing list > >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu > >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From karl.schuttler at gmail.com Mon Feb 23 19:56:23 2009 From: karl.schuttler at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:56:23 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Food at the library? Message-ID: <984d708a0902231656x57b5dda6y3a58766e51f28d7f@mail.gmail.com> Hey guys, Just wondering if the library has a policy on bringing in some food (sandwich or something). Have most of you just been eating before coming in? Karl From clay at lazarusid.com Mon Feb 23 20:22:03 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:22:03 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Food at the library? In-Reply-To: <984d708a0902231656x57b5dda6y3a58766e51f28d7f@mail.gmail.com> References: <984d708a0902231656x57b5dda6y3a58766e51f28d7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49A34BBB.7000207@lazarusid.com> Karl Schuttler wrote: > Hey guys, > > Just wondering if the library has a policy on bringing in some food > (sandwich or something). Have most of you just been eating before > coming in? > I usually eat before, because I'm getting sushi from Meijer or Thai from the Thailand Kitchen up on Larch. Library is pretty much not cool with food from what I can tell. Last few weeks we've gone out for food after. Last week was a cool little sushi bar in East Lansing (new to me, everybody else knew about it). Clay From joelm_audion at msn.com Tue Feb 24 16:23:20 2009 From: joelm_audion at msn.com (Joel Mayer) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:23:20 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] linux-user Digest, Vol 70, Issue 16 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear GLLUG- Anybody out there know how to use trueSpace version 7.6? Is there a support group with regular meetings? Joel M. ----- Original Message ----- From: linux-user-request at egr.msu.edu To: linux-user at egr.msu.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 7:00 AM Subject: linux-user Digest, Vol 70, Issue 16 Send linux-user mailing list submissions to linux-user at egr.msu.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to linux-user-request at egr.msu.edu You can reach the person managing the list at linux-user-owner at egr.msu.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of linux-user digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Beer Glasses (Sean O'Malley) 2. Re: Beer Glasses (Clay Dowling) 3. Re: Beer Glasses (Karl Schuttler) 4. Re: Beer Glasses (Sean O'Malley) 5. Food at the library? (Karl Schuttler) 6. Re: Food at the library? (Clay Dowling) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:04:33 -0500 (EST) From: "Sean O'Malley" > Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Beer Glasses To: Clay Dowling > Cc: linux-user at egr.msu.edu Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I personally prefer ale glasses as you can use them for table glasses when you aren't drinking beer. However, a gllug mug sounds cooler. :) On Thu, 12 Feb 2009, Clay Dowling wrote: > I've done a little research on glasses. There's a store in Flint that > specializes in this kind of marketing material, and they've got the best > prices I've found so far. So what we need to do now is decide what we > actually want. > > Printed glasses run to $5 each, with a minimum order of 72 glasses. > > Etched glasses run around $10, with a minimum order of 48 glasses. > > If people are willing to pony up $15-$20/glass, we can buy individual > glasses. These glasses appear to be much nicer, but I haven't seen > physical specimens. > > The prices I'm look at are for 16 oz pilsner glasses, but other glass > styles are similarly priced. > > In any event, because of minimum order sizes, we'd need to commit to > buying sets of glasses. Is that a path we want to take? > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:15:33 -0500 (EST) From: Clay Dowling > Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Beer Glasses To: "Sean O'Malley" > Cc: linux-user at egr.msu.edu Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed We discussed this at a recent meeting, and decided that the number of glasses we needed to buy made the idea impractical. Nobody really wanted to replace all of their glasses with GLLUG glasses. Clay On Mon, 23 Feb 2009, Sean O'Malley wrote: > I personally prefer ale glasses as you can use them for table glasses when > you aren't drinking beer. However, a gllug mug sounds cooler. :) > > > > On Thu, 12 Feb 2009, Clay Dowling wrote: > >> I've done a little research on glasses. There's a store in Flint that >> specializes in this kind of marketing material, and they've got the best >> prices I've found so far. So what we need to do now is decide what we >> actually want. >> >> Printed glasses run to $5 each, with a minimum order of 72 glasses. >> >> Etched glasses run around $10, with a minimum order of 48 glasses. >> >> If people are willing to pony up $15-$20/glass, we can buy individual >> glasses. These glasses appear to be much nicer, but I haven't seen >> physical specimens. >> >> The prices I'm look at are for 16 oz pilsner glasses, but other glass >> styles are similarly priced. >> >> In any event, because of minimum order sizes, we'd need to commit to >> buying sets of glasses. Is that a path we want to take? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:13:39 -0500 From: Karl Schuttler > Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Beer Glasses To: "linux-user at egr.msu.edu" > Message-ID: <984d708a0902231013r5f1a30dcte9d4b5330c8f5eae at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I've heard that the cafepress steins are actually of pretty decent quality. On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Clay Dowling > wrote: > We discussed this at a recent meeting, and decided that the number of > glasses we needed to buy made the idea impractical. Nobody really wanted > to replace all of their glasses with GLLUG glasses. > > Clay > > On Mon, 23 Feb 2009, Sean O'Malley wrote: > >> I personally prefer ale glasses as you can use them for table glasses when >> you aren't drinking beer. However, a gllug mug sounds cooler. :) >> >> >> >> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009, Clay Dowling wrote: >> >>> I've done a little research on glasses. There's a store in Flint that >>> specializes in this kind of marketing material, and they've got the best >>> prices I've found so far. So what we need to do now is decide what we >>> actually want. >>> >>> Printed glasses run to $5 each, with a minimum order of 72 glasses. >>> >>> Etched glasses run around $10, with a minimum order of 48 glasses. >>> >>> If people are willing to pony up $15-$20/glass, we can buy individual >>> glasses. These glasses appear to be much nicer, but I haven't seen >>> physical specimens. >>> >>> The prices I'm look at are for 16 oz pilsner glasses, but other glass >>> styles are similarly priced. >>> >>> In any event, because of minimum order sizes, we'd need to commit to >>> buying sets of glasses. Is that a path we want to take? >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> linux-user mailing list >>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:05:23 -0500 (EST) From: "Sean O'Malley" > Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Beer Glasses To: Clay Dowling > Cc: linux-user at egr.msu.edu Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII That is cool. :) I was going to give them as gifts, but we can roll with t-shirts. :) On Mon, 23 Feb 2009, Clay Dowling wrote: > We discussed this at a recent meeting, and decided that the number of > glasses we needed to buy made the idea impractical. Nobody really wanted > to replace all of their glasses with GLLUG glasses. > > Clay > > On Mon, 23 Feb 2009, Sean O'Malley wrote: > > > I personally prefer ale glasses as you can use them for table glasses when > > you aren't drinking beer. However, a gllug mug sounds cooler. :) > > > > > > > > On Thu, 12 Feb 2009, Clay Dowling wrote: > > > >> I've done a little research on glasses. There's a store in Flint that > >> specializes in this kind of marketing material, and they've got the best > >> prices I've found so far. So what we need to do now is decide what we > >> actually want. > >> > >> Printed glasses run to $5 each, with a minimum order of 72 glasses. > >> > >> Etched glasses run around $10, with a minimum order of 48 glasses. > >> > >> If people are willing to pony up $15-$20/glass, we can buy individual > >> glasses. These glasses appear to be much nicer, but I haven't seen > >> physical specimens. > >> > >> The prices I'm look at are for 16 oz pilsner glasses, but other glass > >> styles are similarly priced. > >> > >> In any event, because of minimum order sizes, we'd need to commit to > >> buying sets of glasses. Is that a path we want to take? > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> linux-user mailing list > >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu > >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:56:23 -0500 From: Karl Schuttler > Subject: [GLLUG] Food at the library? To: "linux-user at egr.msu.edu" > Message-ID: <984d708a0902231656x57b5dda6y3a58766e51f28d7f at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey guys, Just wondering if the library has a policy on bringing in some food (sandwich or something). Have most of you just been eating before coming in? Karl ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:22:03 -0500 From: Clay Dowling > Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Food at the library? To: Karl Schuttler > Cc: "linux-user at egr.msu.edu" > Message-ID: <49A34BBB.7000207 at lazarusid.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Karl Schuttler wrote: > Hey guys, > > Just wondering if the library has a policy on bringing in some food > (sandwich or something). Have most of you just been eating before > coming in? > I usually eat before, because I'm getting sushi from Meijer or Thai from the Thailand Kitchen up on Larch. Library is pretty much not cool with food from what I can tell. Last few weeks we've gone out for food after. Last week was a cool little sushi bar in East Lansing (new to me, everybody else knew about it). Clay ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user at egr.msu.edu http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user End of linux-user Digest, Vol 70, Issue 16 ****************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090224/984d1b3e/attachment-0001.html From joelm_audion at msn.com Tue Feb 24 16:34:51 2009 From: joelm_audion at msn.com (Joel Mayer) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:34:51 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] trueSpace version 7.6 Message-ID: Dear Lansing Linux Users Group- Does anybody in Lansing know how to use the 3D graphics software package: trueSpace version 7.6? This magnificent piece of code recently went free ware and is available for download at: http://www.caligari.com Seems to me anyone with any interest whatsoever in web design and graphics would have to have a copy of this package. I want to attend regular meetings and cannot afford to fly to Seattle on a monthly basis. So- we need a users group right here in Lansing. Joel M. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090224/11ad22f0/attachment.html From karl.schuttler at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 16:53:04 2009 From: karl.schuttler at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:53:04 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] trueSpace version 7.6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <984d708a0902241353m7f03d146n18495760aaec6446@mail.gmail.com> You may find it worthwhile to ask Washtenaw LUG (Lugwash.org). On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Joel Mayer wrote: > Dear Lansing Linux Users Group- > > Does anybody in Lansing know how to use the 3D graphics software > package: trueSpace version 7.6? This magnificent piece of code recently > went free ware and is available for download at: http://www.caligari.com > Seems to me anyone with any interest whatsoever in web design and > graphics would have to have a copy?of this package. > > I want to attend regular meetings and cannot afford to fly to Seattle on > a monthly basis. So- we need a users group right here in Lansing. > > Joel M. From picasso at madflower.com Wed Feb 25 08:55:54 2009 From: picasso at madflower.com (Sean O'Malley) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 08:55:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] trueSpace version 7.6 In-Reply-To: <49A48179.7070804@thuemmel.com> Message-ID: from http://www.teknobites.com/2008/07/25/truespace-3d-modelling-software-is-free-now/ "Truespace is the product of Caligari, a company acquired by Microsoft recently. TrueSpace is a paid product before, but now they have released it as a freeware for windows. The new version of truespace allows people to export 3D content to virtaul earth. It also allows to export as X Format for game engines like XBOX 360. It serves as an alternative to 3ds Max and Google Sketchup. There is an open source project called Blender for 3D modeling which supports wide number of platforms including windows, mac, linux, BSD, solaris." Given the wording of the article, maybe he is referring to Blender. Blender comes with at least Fedora (I assume other distros as well.) I couldn't find any reference to Truespace being able to run on Linux, however, I did find a reference to some compatibility between the two applications which could cause some confusion. ?? On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, Mark Thuemmel wrote: > Joel Mayer wrote: > > Dear Lansing Linux Users Group- > > > > Does anybody in Lansing know how to use the 3D graphics software > > package: trueSpace version 7.6? This magnificent piece of code recently > > went free ware and is available for download at: http://www.caligari.com > > Seems to me anyone with any interest whatsoever in web design and > > graphics would have to have a copy of this package. > > > > > Is this a Linux application or Windows only? Can you provide working > download link for the Linux version? > From picasso at madflower.com Wed Feb 25 10:38:26 2009 From: picasso at madflower.com (Sean O'Malley) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:38:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] virtualization/netboot question In-Reply-To: <49A48179.7070804@thuemmel.com> Message-ID: I have a couple of computers at home(doh). My little cousins like to play on them on occasion. However, some of the programs they like to use are windows based,and some of them are linux based. I like to use the computers for linux based things and they are running a distributed client when not in use. What I -want- is a system that lets me netboot the machines, copy vm image files to the netbooted system's harddrive. Allow me to launch the VM in a fullscreen kiosk mode. (copy a new image file in the background while they are using the vm that is in use.) Let them log in as admin let them completely screw up the system. When they logout or restart, they get a nice fresh image to work with. (They have shared filespace on my server because i do end up wiping out the machines often as I retool for different projects.) I would like this to work with both linux and windows so you can pick n choose which OS you want to run/destroy. I was going to use the linux k12 or cobbler for the netboot system. Then I was going run qemu on top of it for my choice of VM's to use and just adjust qemu to run fullscreen in more of a kiosk mode after selection of the vm to actually use. I was going to manage/reload the vm images using the unused bandwidth in the background with a shell script, and do checksums on the images to verify the copy completed, etc. I found the paravirtualization drivers for kvm for Windows and I use those on my laptop and it seems to work okay for my use. I can handle it if say cobbler can drop the customized image onto the disk, wiping the drive isn't that bad, but I do have different sized drives on the system. I could just use a terminal server, but that doesnt really let me leverage the horsepower of the client machines which means my -real- projects won't have enough horsepower when they are screwing around. Does anyone know of a project that lets me do this? Or know of a better way to do this? comments/flames? From joelm_audion at msn.com Thu Feb 26 09:10:16 2009 From: joelm_audion at msn.com (Joel Mayer) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:10:16 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] linux-user Digest, Vol 70, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gentlemen- It makes no difference to me whether or not there is a Linux version of trueSpace. I am trying to find someone who will teach me how to use it, someone I can pay off in value meals. Thanks / Joel Mayer ----- Original Message ----- From: linux-user-request at egr.msu.edu To: linux-user at egr.msu.edu Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:00 AM Subject: linux-user Digest, Vol 70, Issue 19 Send linux-user mailing list submissions to linux-user at egr.msu.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to linux-user-request at egr.msu.edu You can reach the person managing the list at linux-user-owner at egr.msu.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of linux-user digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: trueSpace version 7.6 (Sean O'Malley) 2. virtualization/netboot question (Sean O'Malley) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 08:55:54 -0500 (EST) From: "Sean O'Malley" > Subject: Re: [GLLUG] trueSpace version 7.6 To: Mark Thuemmel > Cc: karl.schuttler at gmail.com, linux-user at egr.msu.edu Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII from http://www.teknobites.com/2008/07/25/truespace-3d-modelling-software-is-free-now/ "Truespace is the product of Caligari, a company acquired by Microsoft recently. TrueSpace is a paid product before, but now they have released it as a freeware for windows. The new version of truespace allows people to export 3D content to virtaul earth. It also allows to export as X Format for game engines like XBOX 360. It serves as an alternative to 3ds Max and Google Sketchup. There is an open source project called Blender for 3D modeling which supports wide number of platforms including windows, mac, linux, BSD, solaris." Given the wording of the article, maybe he is referring to Blender. Blender comes with at least Fedora (I assume other distros as well.) I couldn't find any reference to Truespace being able to run on Linux, however, I did find a reference to some compatibility between the two applications which could cause some confusion. ?? On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, Mark Thuemmel wrote: > Joel Mayer wrote: > > Dear Lansing Linux Users Group- > > > > Does anybody in Lansing know how to use the 3D graphics software > > package: trueSpace version 7.6? This magnificent piece of code recently > > went free ware and is available for download at: http://www.caligari.com > > Seems to me anyone with any interest whatsoever in web design and > > graphics would have to have a copy of this package. > > > > > Is this a Linux application or Windows only? Can you provide working > download link for the Linux version? > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:38:26 -0500 (EST) From: "Sean O'Malley" > Subject: [GLLUG] virtualization/netboot question To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have a couple of computers at home(doh). My little cousins like to play on them on occasion. However, some of the programs they like to use are windows based,and some of them are linux based. I like to use the computers for linux based things and they are running a distributed client when not in use. What I -want- is a system that lets me netboot the machines, copy vm image files to the netbooted system's harddrive. Allow me to launch the VM in a fullscreen kiosk mode. (copy a new image file in the background while they are using the vm that is in use.) Let them log in as admin let them completely screw up the system. When they logout or restart, they get a nice fresh image to work with. (They have shared filespace on my server because i do end up wiping out the machines often as I retool for different projects.) I would like this to work with both linux and windows so you can pick n choose which OS you want to run/destroy. I was going to use the linux k12 or cobbler for the netboot system. Then I was going run qemu on top of it for my choice of VM's to use and just adjust qemu to run fullscreen in more of a kiosk mode after selection of the vm to actually use. I was going to manage/reload the vm images using the unused bandwidth in the background with a shell script, and do checksums on the images to verify the copy completed, etc. I found the paravirtualization drivers for kvm for Windows and I use those on my laptop and it seems to work okay for my use. I can handle it if say cobbler can drop the customized image onto the disk, wiping the drive isn't that bad, but I do have different sized drives on the system. I could just use a terminal server, but that doesnt really let me leverage the horsepower of the client machines which means my -real- projects won't have enough horsepower when they are screwing around. Does anyone know of a project that lets me do this? Or know of a better way to do this? comments/flames? ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user at egr.msu.edu http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user End of linux-user Digest, Vol 70, Issue 19 ****************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090226/59affc58/attachment.html From david at ramaboo.com Thu Feb 26 17:15:12 2009 From: david at ramaboo.com (David Singer) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:15:12 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Twitsrc Alpha Release Message-ID: <80324a260902261415m6255a19fh9c3a153f27dd9f79@mail.gmail.com> I am proud to announce the alpha release of Twitsrc (http://twitsrc.com/). Twitsrc is a micro code hosting site (up to 65,535 characters) designed to integrate into Twitter. It includes a built in URL shortener and if you are logged in it will mimic your Twitter see a sample of this at: http://twitsrc.com/sample/nettuts (replace nettuts with your username and it will mimic your style). I would love feedback/suggestions to make it better. Automatic tweeting is already on the drawing board for the beta release. Currently FF3+ IE7+. It was built almost exclusively with open source software (the only major exception being Photoshop). Its written in PHP 5.2.x and uses the Boo Framework (http://code.ramaboo.com/). The server is Ubuntu 8.04 running Apache 2.2 and MySQL 5. Client side scripting is done with jQuery 1.3. -David From ranti.junus at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 18:12:29 2009 From: ranti.junus at gmail.com (Ranti Junus) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:12:29 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Twitsrc Alpha Release In-Reply-To: <80324a260902261415m6255a19fh9c3a153f27dd9f79@mail.gmail.com> References: <80324a260902261415m6255a19fh9c3a153f27dd9f79@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7b496ff80902261512y785ac001y472c68f09471b16a@mail.gmail.com> So, I am not sure how what to expect. I take it I need to log in, put some code, and tweet it? What kind of info that others/followers would see? Somekind of link that would take them to the page containing the code (like the sample below)? thanks, ranti. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 5:15 PM, David Singer wrote: > I am proud to announce the alpha release of Twitsrc > (http://twitsrc.com/). Twitsrc is a micro code hosting site (up to > 65,535 characters) designed to integrate into Twitter. It includes a > built in URL shortener and if you are logged in it will mimic your > Twitter see a sample of this at: http://twitsrc.com/sample/nettuts > (replace nettuts with your username and it will mimic your style). > > I would love feedback/suggestions to make it better. Automatic > tweeting is already on the drawing board for the beta release. > Currently FF3+ IE7+. > > It was built almost exclusively with open source software (the only > major exception being Photoshop). Its written in PHP 5.2.x and uses > the Boo Framework (http://code.ramaboo.com/). The server is Ubuntu > 8.04 running Apache 2.2 and MySQL 5. Client side scripting is done > with jQuery 1.3. > > -David > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -- Bulk mail. Postage paid. From clay at lazarusid.com Fri Feb 27 06:24:55 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 06:24:55 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Brewing Day! Message-ID: <49A7CD87.1080205@lazarusid.com> I looked into the logistics of brewing a second batch of beer on Saturday, and it doesn't look practical. We would need to come up with a second lautering tun, and a good one requires some equipment that we can't pick up at Home Depot or Walmart. A bad one is a misery forever. Not that we can't brew a second batch on a later day, for those who couldn't make this session. If we want to do this second batch, we need to think about what we want. The easiest to do would be heffewizen, for which I have the ingredients. That makes it cheap to brew. People will drink a lot of this. Friends ask me to make it for them quite a bit. The other alternative is a stout. Stouts ferment quickly and we would have no trouble getting this beer ready for Penguicon if we brewed in the next couple of weeks. Stouts are also popular with dedicated beer drinkers. I haven't brewed a stout from grain before, so it will be a small adventure for me. To get to my house: 5390 River Ridge Drive Flushing, MI 48433 Clay From clay at lazarusid.com Fri Feb 27 11:47:11 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:47:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Brewing Day Time Message-ID: In my previous announcement I forgot to mention that we're starting at 9am. I realize that for some of you that is ridiculously early. Frankly I'd start it earlier, because a lot of time is spent waiting for stuff to bool, or steep, or cool down. I'm hopeful that I'll be pitching yeast by 7pm. From clay at lazarusid.com Fri Feb 27 14:07:05 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 14:07:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Beer ribbons Message-ID: On a whim I decided to order us some ribbons for Penguicon. If the order goes in properly, they will be on red white and blue ribbon, and have the word BEER! on them. Ribbons to go to those who help brew, and remainder to anybody we deem worthy of beer. Clay From clay at lazarusid.com Sat Feb 28 19:06:27 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:06:27 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Brewing Day Message-ID: <49A9D183.9070704@lazarusid.com> I wrote up a little summary of brewing day at the website, http://www.gllug.org For those who didn't attend, you missed something great. We cooked venison using the Brazillian style of cooking, and it was great. We also had some of Stan's wine, and it is definitely what you want to drink when you're eating Brazillian Beef (or Venison). Top flight stuff. Following Marshal's suggestion, I've also changed the beer brewing ribbon from "BEER!" to "Stout Fellow!" While I still like my original idea, Marshal is right, the play on words is too good to resist. There will be a dozen ribbons, and only five people who qualify as actual brewers to receive them. That leaves seven ribbons to be distributed to other worthies. I nominate Stan's wife for one of them, because I understand she had a hand in the wine. Aside from that, I'm open. First recommendations are for chesty women and authors we'd like to visit our party, although other GOHs and Nifty's are certainly desirable. Especially if they'll come, hang out and drink beer/wine with us. Clay From karl.schuttler at gmail.com Sat Feb 28 19:42:14 2009 From: karl.schuttler at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:42:14 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] OT: LED grow light Message-ID: <984d708a0902281642p7e18af1aqb46590197e981b07@mail.gmail.com> Just caught this on Hackaday; thought it might extend our conversation from Thursday. http://www.instructables.com/id/Make_an_automatic_plant_light/