From clay at lazarusid.com Wed Jul 1 15:11:45 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:11:45 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Brewing this weekend? Message-ID: <20090701151145.688815fvl2nwqwvl@mail.lazarusid.com> Any interest in brewing on Sunday? My day is free, and I think I have all of the necessary ingredients for something close to a heffewiezen. Hops and a viable yeast are the only things I don't have. Anyway, if you want to do it and you're free, call (810-869-4390) or email and let me know so I don't start without you. Clay -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From c.e.tower at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 13:51:25 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:51:25 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Meetings at Library Message-ID: <4A4BA21D.2060000@gmail.com> I reserved the conference room for the rest of this year, so we can continue to meet at the Lansing Public Library from 6:00 p.m. until 9:00 p.m. on Thursdays. -- Chick From clay at lazarusid.com Thu Jul 2 14:53:23 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:53:23 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Seminar Flyer Message-ID: <20090702145323.13043eed20godeeb@mail.lazarusid.com> I have an info page about our server seminar series up on the website at http://www.gllug.org/node/97 Please note that I've also added a flyer. My intent with that flyer is to print it out on colored paper (I have a sample in blue) and hand it out to people who come to the first event. It isn't really intended to be a poster, because it's got too much text. Instead it's something they take home and post on the refrigerator so they remember when the next seminars are. I may come up with a poster as well, if people can think of places where we can put them. Clay -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From ranti.junus at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 15:09:09 2009 From: ranti.junus at gmail.com (Ranti Junus) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:09:09 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Seminar Flyer In-Reply-To: <20090702145323.13043eed20godeeb@mail.lazarusid.com> References: <20090702145323.13043eed20godeeb@mail.lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <7b496ff80907021209g3065844aq4424dbacd50cf1ba@mail.gmail.com> Looks good to me. I assume CADL is aware of these more-than-just-meeting activities? thanks, ranti. On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Clay Dowling wrote: > I have an info page about our server seminar series up on the website > at http://www.gllug.org/node/97 > > Please note that I've also added a flyer. ?My intent with that flyer > is to print it out on colored paper (I have a sample in blue) and hand > it out to people who come to the first event. ?It isn't really > intended to be a poster, because it's got too much text. ?Instead it's > something they take home and post on the refrigerator so they remember > when the next seminars are. > > I may come up with a poster as well, if people can think of places > where we can put them. > > Clay > -- > Online RPG Campaign Planning > http://www.rpg-campaign.com > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -- Bulk mail. Postage paid. From clay at lazarusid.com Thu Jul 2 15:42:43 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:42:43 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Seminar Flyer In-Reply-To: <7b496ff80907021209g3065844aq4424dbacd50cf1ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090702145323.13043eed20godeeb@mail.lazarusid.com> <7b496ff80907021209g3065844aq4424dbacd50cf1ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090702154243.141249mk08ksvcmr@mail.lazarusid.com> Quoting Ranti Junus : > Looks good to me. I assume CADL is aware of these > more-than-just-meeting activities? They will be by the time of the meeting tonight. If there's any kind of problem, none of this material has been distributed to the press yet, and we can quickly change dates and venues. Since there's nothing commercial about what we're doing though, I don't anticipate any problems. Clay -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From clay at lazarusid.com Thu Jul 2 15:44:30 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:44:30 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Seminar Poster Message-ID: <20090702154430.16066s30xywms1su@mail.lazarusid.com> I decided that a poster would indeed be an appropriate thing. I don't know where all we can put them, but if somebody finds a place they're linked on the bottom of the Seminar page. -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From mortel at cyber-nos.com Thu Jul 2 17:11:56 2009 From: mortel at cyber-nos.com (Stanley C. Mortel) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:11:56 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Seminar Flyer In-Reply-To: <20090702145323.13043eed20godeeb@mail.lazarusid.com> References: <20090702145323.13043eed20godeeb@mail.lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <4A4D229C.3050007@cyber-nos.com> These dates should get put on the web site's calendar. Is there anyone "in charge" of that feature of the GLLUG site? Stan Clay Dowling wrote: > I have an info page about our server seminar series up on the website > at http://www.gllug.org/node/97 > > Please note that I've also added a flyer. My intent with that flyer > is to print it out on colored paper (I have a sample in blue) and hand > it out to people who come to the first event. It isn't really > intended to be a poster, because it's got too much text. Instead it's > something they take home and post on the refrigerator so they remember > when the next seminars are. > > I may come up with a poster as well, if people can think of places > where we can put them. > > Clay > From c.e.tower at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 22:19:52 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:19:52 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Meeting Discussions Message-ID: <4A4D6AC8.6030206@gmail.com> Tonight some of us talked about better organizing the group, with specific responsibilities assigned, such as arranging for presentations, reserving meeting facilities, and managing the GLLUG website. If anyone has any suggestions for other areas that need tending, please feel free to suggest them. If there's anything you want to volunteer to do, speak up! We're gearing up for the seminars on installing and configuring Linux servers. See the website for more details. -- Chick From eduardo at cesconetto.com Thu Jul 2 23:51:47 2009 From: eduardo at cesconetto.com (eduardo cesconetto) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 22:51:47 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Meeting Discussions In-Reply-To: <4A4D6AC8.6030206@gmail.com> References: <4A4D6AC8.6030206@gmail.com> Message-ID: If there is a long-distance-enabled task, let me know. :) ? Eduardo Cesconetto - eduardo at cesconetto.com - www.cesconetto.com On Jul 2, 2009, at 9:19 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > Tonight some of us talked about better organizing the group, with > specific responsibilities assigned, such as arranging for > presentations, > reserving meeting facilities, and managing the GLLUG website. If > anyone > has any suggestions for other areas that need tending, please feel > free > to suggest them. If there's anything you want to volunteer to do, > speak up! > > We're gearing up for the seminars on installing and configuring Linux > servers. See the website for more details. > -- > > Chick > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090702/25b72913/attachment.html From c.e.tower at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 11:49:19 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:49:19 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Server Classes In-Reply-To: <4A4C195A.4060406@lazarusid.com> References: <20090626101515.73752xmq8w9c8ws3@mail.lazarusid.com> <4A4C11A6.5090006@gmail.com> <4A4C195A.4060406@lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <4A4E287F.7000706@gmail.com> We were lucky. The third-floor conference room is available all three Saturday afternoons, so it is now reserved for our use. I also let the head librarian know that any of the library staff are welcome to attend. Chick Clay Dowling wrote: > Chick Tower wrote: >> If you want to have all the classes at the library, Clay, we'll need >> to reserve the conference room for the Saturday classes, if it's >> available then. Let me know. > I asked Ariel to reserve the room when she works on Thursday, but if you > could coordinate with her to make sure it happens that would be great. > I'll check with you guys tomorrow to see if it happened. > > As a precaution I haven't sent the press releases yet, in case we can't > get the room on the days we want. > > Clay > From clay at lazarusid.com Fri Jul 3 16:26:27 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:26:27 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Server Classes In-Reply-To: <4A4E287F.7000706@gmail.com> References: <20090626101515.73752xmq8w9c8ws3@mail.lazarusid.com> <4A4C11A6.5090006@gmail.com> <4A4C195A.4060406@lazarusid.com> <4A4E287F.7000706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A4E6973.7050301@lazarusid.com> Chick Tower wrote: > We were lucky. The third-floor conference room is available all three > Saturday afternoons, so it is now reserved for our use. I also let > the head librarian know that any of the library staff are welcome to > attend. Press releases will go out tonight then, except for the State Journal, which I want to get out before 5 today. Clay From currentlyunnameddj at gmail.com Sat Jul 4 22:52:39 2009 From: currentlyunnameddj at gmail.com (Ariel Lonchar) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 22:52:39 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] OT - For you science geeks Message-ID: <93f068b10907041952i7d7c5d5cgfd8b6d1d72711768@mail.gmail.com> For anyone interested in science (or in making fireworks), a new store has opened up in Laingsburg MI. Unitednuclear.com has moved from New Mexico to MI, and thus you can now get things like heavy water, HCl, luminol, magna-view fluid, and various other things. ~Ariel~ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090704/4c59de19/attachment.html From clay at lazarusid.com Mon Jul 6 09:51:52 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 09:51:52 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Press Releases Away! Message-ID: <20090706095152.15557ixlj5cds48o@mail.lazarusid.com> I sent out the press releases on Monday, so I'd appreciate it if you guys could keep an eye peeled for mention of the server series. We won't have any mention in print media, because the State Journal doesn't seem to have any way to submit a press release. Since print media is becoming increasingly irrelevant anyway, I don't think this is a big loss. What we really need to get is some good TV and/or radio coverage. Clay -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From david at ramaboo.com Mon Jul 6 12:51:58 2009 From: david at ramaboo.com (David Singer) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:51:58 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Facebook Group Message-ID: <80324a260907060951u5a7dfffnef1b7eab32f7a25e@mail.gmail.com> We have a facebook group. Join at: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=100282617117 David From clay at lazarusid.com Mon Jul 6 22:19:41 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:19:41 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] May not be available this weekend Message-ID: <4A52B0BD.3040509@lazarusid.com> My aunt died this evening, so my availability for the weekend is in question. I'll be there for my commitments if I can. If I can't make it, who else can be there for the installfest on Saturday? Also, it occurs to me that we need people to burn a few Ubuntu Server discs. Clay From dbosman at msu.edu Mon Jul 6 23:47:52 2009 From: dbosman at msu.edu (Don Bosman) Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:47:52 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] May not be available this weekend In-Reply-To: <4A52B0BD.3040509@lazarusid.com> References: <4A52B0BD.3040509@lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <4A52C568.9000807@msu.edu> Please accept my condolences for your loss. I'm mostly a lurker hoping to learn more at the server classes. Tell me what version Ubuntu Server to create discs for, about how many, and I'll start on them Tuesday. Don Bosman Clay Dowling wrote: > My aunt died this evening, so my availability for the weekend is in > question. I'll be there for my commitments if I can. > > If I can't make it, who else can be there for the installfest on Saturday? > > Also, it occurs to me that we need people to burn a few Ubuntu Server discs. > > Clay > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > From c.e.tower at gmail.com Mon Jul 6 23:53:34 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:53:34 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Press Releases Away! In-Reply-To: <20090706095152.15557ixlj5cds48o@mail.lazarusid.com> References: <20090706095152.15557ixlj5cds48o@mail.lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <4A52C6BE.5070001@gmail.com> Does anyone remember the name of that LCC student who interviewed some of us at a couple of meetings for a media class he was taking? Maybe he can help, or knows places to contact. Chick Clay Dowling wrote: > I sent out the press releases on Monday, so I'd appreciate it if you > guys could keep an eye peeled for mention of the server series. We > won't have any mention in print media, because the State Journal > doesn't seem to have any way to submit a press release. Since print > media is becoming increasingly irrelevant anyway, I don't think this > is a big loss. What we really need to get is some good TV and/or > radio coverage. > > Clay From clay at lazarusid.com Tue Jul 7 06:45:31 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:45:31 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] May not be available this weekend In-Reply-To: <4A52C568.9000807@msu.edu> References: <4A52B0BD.3040509@lazarusid.com> <4A52C568.9000807@msu.edu> Message-ID: <4A53274B.2060007@lazarusid.com> Don Bosman wrote: > Please accept my condolences for your loss. > I'm mostly a lurker hoping to learn more at the server classes. > Tell me what version Ubuntu Server to create discs for, about how > many, and I'll start on them Tuesday. Ubuntu Server 9.04 From lrmeredith at gmail.com Tue Jul 7 09:08:15 2009 From: lrmeredith at gmail.com (Lani Meredith) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:08:15 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] May not be available this weekend In-Reply-To: <4A52B0BD.3040509@lazarusid.com> References: <4A52B0BD.3040509@lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <7acc36fb0907070608o60ee3509qb581e2a8ea569406@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Clay Dowling wrote: > My aunt died this evening, so my availability for the weekend is in > question. ?I'll be there for my commitments if I can. > > If I can't make it, who else can be there for the installfest on Saturday? > > Also, it occurs to me that we need people to burn a few Ubuntu Server discs. > > Clay We also may need extra power strips and extension cords. What kind of turnout are we expecting? Lani From clay at lazarusid.com Tue Jul 7 11:27:47 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:27:47 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Installfest Needs In-Reply-To: <7acc36fb0907070608o60ee3509qb581e2a8ea569406@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A52B0BD.3040509@lazarusid.com> <7acc36fb0907070608o60ee3509qb581e2a8ea569406@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090707112747.91284aoaowgvzp83@mail.lazarusid.com> Quoting Lani Meredith : > We also may need extra power strips and extension cords. What kind of > turnout are we expecting? I have no prediction on attendance. My guess is that half a dozen would represent a good turnout from people who aren't regular members. We should bring a pair of extension cords and power strips minimum. More would be good though. I'd also love to see photos and/or video, especially video testimonials from non-regulars. We can put that stuff up on the GLLUG site and use it to promote the next events. Clay -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From clay at lazarusid.com Tue Jul 7 14:22:00 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:22:00 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Weekend Activities Message-ID: <20090707142200.17933etsv5pw2g5k@mail.lazarusid.com> I'll definitely be at the Installfest this weekend. Funeral is on Friday, early, presumably with an informal wake to follow. I don't know if I'll be at Thursday's meeting or not, because I may decide to go to the visitation on Thursday instead. Clay -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From dbosman at msu.edu Tue Jul 7 16:38:35 2009 From: dbosman at msu.edu (Don Bosman) Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:38:35 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] May not be available this weekend In-Reply-To: <4A53274B.2060007@lazarusid.com> References: <4A52B0BD.3040509@lazarusid.com> <4A52C568.9000807@msu.edu> <4A53274B.2060007@lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <4A53B24B.5040200@msu.edu> I have all four ISOs. I'll make six of each and if I remember, I'll put all the ISO files on a thumb drive and bring it along to the server class. Don Bosman Clay Dowling wrote: > Don Bosman wrote: > >> Please accept my condolences for your loss. >> I'm mostly a lurker hoping to learn more at the server classes. >> Tell me what version Ubuntu Server to create discs for, about how >> many, and I'll start on them Tuesday. >> > Ubuntu Server 9.04 > > From radema39 at msu.edu Thu Jul 9 14:39:07 2009 From: radema39 at msu.edu (Marcus Rademacher) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:39:07 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Fwd: [HPC-USERS] Academic Specialist Position In-Reply-To: <002601ca00c0$af2e5310$0d8af930$@edu> References: <002601ca00c0$af2e5310$0d8af930$@edu> Message-ID: This came from the MSU HPCC mailing list. Any PhDs out there looking for a new job? Marcus ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Edward Kryda Date: Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 2:11 PM Subject: [HPC-USERS] Academic Specialist Position To: HPC-USERS at list.msu.edu iCER/HPCC currently has a search open to hire an Academic Specialist, see details below. As you may know finding the right person to fit this particular niche is challenging. In addition to the published advertising we have done, word of mouth may help. If you know of anyone currently looking for employment that's qualified, please let them know of this opportunity. Thank you for your help! CYBER RESEARCH - SPECIALIST-RESRCH Posting Date: June 17, 2009 Posting Number: RGS-62 Fixed-Term, 12-month basis, 100% time. Salary commensurate with qualifications. 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Please send materials to Kelly Osborn, HPCC, 3115 Engineering Bldg., East Lansing, MI 48824. Ed Kryda Manager, High Performance Computing Center __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4229 (20090709) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090709/5bdd9e51/attachment.html From clay at lazarusid.com Sat Jul 11 18:15:05 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:15:05 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] The Installfest That Wasn't Message-ID: <4A590EE9.5020802@lazarusid.com> We had a good turnout of GLLUG regulars to work at the installfest today: five of us total, which could have handled pretty much any sized crowd. What we didn't have was a) any press coverage or annoucement and b) attendees. At 3pm we bagged it and went for coffee. What we need, and need right now, is a way to push out information about events, because we've got an introduction to the command line scheduled for Thursday and a session on basic network security scheduled for Saturday. The obvious thing to do would be to pay for ad space somewhere. Unfortunately that takes money, and we've got no money, and no prospects for getting any money from these events. So if you know of a way to get this in front of people, that would be awesome. Please put them out here on the list. We did identify several items: 1. We have no clue how to get notice in traditional media. 2. We aren't sure anybody would see information there anyway. 3. We need to find a way to target our message to people who would give a rat's backside about setting up and running a Linux server. 4. Summer probably blows for setting up anything. Everybody has someplace else to be. David, you're pretty clued in about new media. Anything you can suggest there? Clay From phawk42 at gmail.com Sat Jul 11 18:25:47 2009 From: phawk42 at gmail.com (Patrick Hawkins) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:25:47 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] The Installfest That Wasn't In-Reply-To: <4A590EE9.5020802@lazarusid.com> References: <4A590EE9.5020802@lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <4A59116B.5000004@gmail.com> I can't make any of these server sessions, but I did just notice that I am the first non-spam account to follow @gllug on twitter: http://twitter.com/gllug Probably alerting @CityPulse (Lansing City Pulse newspaper) and @LEPFA couldn't hurt either. Building up a base of local twitter followers who would see event announcements cross their transom might bring in more bodies. It's a lot less investment to follow a twitter account than to subscribe to a mailing list. -Patrick From mortel at cyber-nos.com Sat Jul 11 23:18:11 2009 From: mortel at cyber-nos.com (Stanley C. Mortel) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:18:11 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] The Installfest That Wasn't In-Reply-To: <4A590EE9.5020802@lazarusid.com> References: <4A590EE9.5020802@lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <4A5955F3.4030109@cyber-nos.com> Clay, Why don't you post it to Craig's List. Put it under FREE and Computers and anywhere else it might get noticed. Repost it everyday, so it stays near the top. People do look there, and they will be at least somewhat close to the demographic group I think we are looking for. Stan Clay Dowling wrote: > We had a good turnout of GLLUG regulars to work at the installfest > today: five of us total, which could have handled pretty much any sized > crowd. > > What we didn't have was a) any press coverage or annoucement and b) > attendees. At 3pm we bagged it and went for coffee. > > What we need, and need right now, is a way to push out information about > events, because we've got an introduction to the command line scheduled > for Thursday and a session on basic network security scheduled for Saturday. > > The obvious thing to do would be to pay for ad space somewhere. > Unfortunately that takes money, and we've got no money, and no prospects > for getting any money from these events. > > So if you know of a way to get this in front of people, that would be > awesome. Please put them out here on the list. > > We did identify several items: > > 1. We have no clue how to get notice in traditional media. > > 2. We aren't sure anybody would see information there anyway. > > 3. We need to find a way to target our message to people who would give > a rat's backside about setting up and running a Linux server. > > 4. Summer probably blows for setting up anything. Everybody has > someplace else to be. > > David, you're pretty clued in about new media. Anything you can suggest > there? > > Clay > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From c.e.tower at gmail.com Sat Jul 11 23:29:43 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 22:29:43 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] The Installfest That Wasn't In-Reply-To: <4A590EE9.5020802@lazarusid.com> References: <4A590EE9.5020802@lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <4A5958A7.9040602@gmail.com> So is there any point in continuing the server sessions? Chick Clay Dowling wrote, in part: > We had a good turnout of GLLUG regulars to work at the installfest > today: five of us total, which could have handled pretty much any sized > crowd. > > What we didn't have was a) any press coverage or annoucement and b) > attendees. At 3pm we bagged it and went for coffee. > ... > 4. Summer probably blows for setting up anything. Everybody has > someplace else to be. From c.e.tower at gmail.com Sat Jul 11 23:31:22 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 22:31:22 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] The Installfest That Wasn't In-Reply-To: <4A5955F3.4030109@cyber-nos.com> References: <4A590EE9.5020802@lazarusid.com> <4A5955F3.4030109@cyber-nos.com> Message-ID: <4A59590A.50004@gmail.com> That's a good idea, Stan. If we do this, let's ask that they e-mail us (or the ad's hidden e-mail address) so we know someone's coming. Chick Stanley C. Mortel wrote: > Why don't you post it to Craig's List. Put it under FREE and Computers > and anywhere else it might get noticed. Repost it everyday, so it stays > near the top. People do look there, and they will be at least somewhat > close to the demographic group I think we are looking for. From tigner at msu.edu Sun Jul 12 05:10:33 2009 From: tigner at msu.edu (Barry Tigner) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:10:33 +0000 Subject: [GLLUG] The Installfest That Wasn't In-Reply-To: <4A590EE9.5020802@lazarusid.com> References: <4A590EE9.5020802@lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <1247389833.2418.12.camel@home> Local radio stations offer free announcements for clubs and organizations, but usually require a 2 week lead time. Also, local cable channels used to offer public channels for announcmetns and/or on-air time to public clubs, groups etc. There is another alternative also. Why couldn't there be a web site, say like the GLLUG site, that has a section offering videos of people doing the install and setups ? All you need is a digital camera, a script , some practice and voila ! This could expand into a general video help site, where people could find how to do the computer things that they never knew how to do when they bought it. I can picture a section on cooling fan replacement, hard drive low level diagnostic testing, data recovery, adding peripherals/hard drives/DVDRW/ etc. Maybe there could even be a section on how we did the videos, what equipment, software etc. People first get interested in WHAT you are doing, then they get interested in HOW you did it, then they find out what BSD and Gnu-Linux can do for them and the wealth of software available and we wind up with new members who will help spread the word. And word of mouth from a trusted associate/friend/family member is the best way to spread the word. Barry tigner at msu.edu On Sat, 2009-07-11 at 18:15 -0400, Clay Dowling wrote: > We had a good turnout of GLLUG regulars to work at the installfest > today: five of us total, which could have handled pretty much any sized > crowd. > > What we didn't have was a) any press coverage or annoucement and b) > attendees. At 3pm we bagged it and went for coffee. > > What we need, and need right now, is a way to push out information about > events, because we've got an introduction to the command line scheduled > for Thursday and a session on basic network security scheduled for Saturday. > > The obvious thing to do would be to pay for ad space somewhere. > Unfortunately that takes money, and we've got no money, and no prospects > for getting any money from these events. > > So if you know of a way to get this in front of people, that would be > awesome. Please put them out here on the list. > > We did identify several items: > > 1. We have no clue how to get notice in traditional media. > > 2. We aren't sure anybody would see information there anyway. > > 3. We need to find a way to target our message to people who would give > a rat's backside about setting up and running a Linux server. > > 4. Summer probably blows for setting up anything. Everybody has > someplace else to be. > > David, you're pretty clued in about new media. Anything you can suggest > there? > > Clay > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From pdsnyder at gmail.com Sun Jul 12 13:02:29 2009 From: pdsnyder at gmail.com (Pete Snyder) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:02:29 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] InstallFest Message-ID: <702355f80907121002p1c29d6d6xd24343303ae63c12@mail.gmail.com> Sorry, I was not able to make it to the InstallFest. But I have to work every Saturday. I sure would have loved to get one of mu old PCs up and running as a linux server and I am sure you guys would have like someone to have showed up. I am going to try and make it for the LAMP Server Workshop, if I can get time off that day. ~Pete Snyder -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090712/bedd6997/attachment.html From clay at lazarusid.com Mon Jul 13 09:04:11 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:04:11 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Contacting other groups Message-ID: <20090713090411.194955mshltwqkzv@mail.lazarusid.com> Given the failure of my traditional media approach to event promotion, I've started reaching out to local groups. So far, I've sent contact messages to LAMALUG, the web design meetup group and the MySQL meetup group. Are there other groups in the area that people here know of that would have an interest? Clay -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From clay at lazarusid.com Mon Jul 13 09:24:02 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:24:02 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Contacting other groups In-Reply-To: <20090713090411.194955mshltwqkzv@mail.lazarusid.com> References: <20090713090411.194955mshltwqkzv@mail.lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <20090713092402.98245faim0v2gjn6@mail.lazarusid.com> Quoting Clay Dowling : > So far, I've sent contact messages to LAMALUG, the web design meetup > group and the MySQL meetup group. Are there other groups in the area > that people here know of that would have an interest? I've also listed the events on both my facebook page and the gllug facebook page. -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From c.e.tower at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 15:12:30 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:12:30 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Contacting other groups In-Reply-To: <20090713092402.98245faim0v2gjn6@mail.lazarusid.com> References: <20090713090411.194955mshltwqkzv@mail.lazarusid.com> <20090713092402.98245faim0v2gjn6@mail.lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <4A5B871E.3000408@gmail.com> So we ARE going ahead with the remaining seminars???? Chick Clay Dowling wrote: > Quoting Clay Dowling : > >> So far, I've sent contact messages to LAMALUG, the web design meetup >> group and the MySQL meetup group. Are there other groups in the area >> that people here know of that would have an interest? > > I've also listed the events on both my facebook page and the gllug > facebook page. > From clay at lazarusid.com Mon Jul 13 16:14:58 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:14:58 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Contacting other groups In-Reply-To: <4A5B871E.3000408@gmail.com> References: <20090713090411.194955mshltwqkzv@mail.lazarusid.com> <20090713092402.98245faim0v2gjn6@mail.lazarusid.com> <4A5B871E.3000408@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090713161458.7484273830ali7ya@mail.lazarusid.com> Quoting Chick Tower : > So we ARE going ahead with the remaining seminars???? Right now, going ahead with the seminar is my plan. Marketing completely failed for the previous session. Nobody outside of the core members who come to meetings knew about it. I've tried other, more diverse marketing methods this time. Let's see how it goes. Especially since Thursday's seminar occurs during our regularly scheduled meeting. We don't have to put ourselves out for it, and it would be good to see if things work or not. We won't need an all-hands sort of turnout for Saturday. If you all want to bag it, Charles and I can probably handle it. I'll bring a pizza to appease the masses (or the two guys waiting in futility). Clay -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From user at qtm.net Mon Jul 13 17:04:58 2009 From: user at qtm.net (user at qtm.net) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:04:58 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Server Classes In-Reply-To: <7acc36fb0906260735x74737753naef4303c91961f68@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090626101515.73752xmq8w9c8ws3@mail.lazarusid.com> <7acc36fb0906260735x74737753naef4303c91961f68@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <77C2324A-62EE-43C0-A79B-39503EF1FB1F@qtm.net> Hi, I can make it on Saturday the18 at 1pm. Is this at Gone Wired? I can not make it on Saturday the 25. Maybe Thurday the 23 we could have a small pre-class on LAMP. I did miss Installfest. On Installfest I figured that I already know how to Install programs. If there was more to it, maybe on the rest of the classes you can give a quick outline. Phil - >> >> The plan is for four classes, to take people from base installation >> to >> actually running a server. >> >> My proposed schedule: >> >> >> Saturday, July 11th - 1pm: Hometown cafe Installfest, concentrating >> on Ubuntu >> Server. Lani has agreed to lead this. Additional hands to help >> people with questions would be appreciated. >> >> Thursday, July 16th - 6:30pm : Introduction to the command line. >> Jeff >> Lawton to lead this (Clay Dowling to act as his second). We should >> also be prepared for installfest follow ups here, so other people on >> hand would be good, to take people aside and work with them one on >> one. >> >> Saturday, July 18th - 1pm: Basic networking and system hardening, to >> be lead by Charles Ulrich (Marshal Newrock to act as his second). >> >> Saturday, July 25th - 1pm: LAMP Server workshop. As many volunteers >> as we can get. Clay Dowling, Charles Ulrich at minimum have >> volunteered to participate. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From clay at lazarusid.com Mon Jul 13 18:14:30 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:14:30 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Server Seminar Series recap Message-ID: <4A5BB1C6.8000404@lazarusid.com> I'm getting a lot of questions from people who have no clue when or where we are meeting. So I'm setting it out here, again. If you run into somebody who has it wrong, please set it right. First, all sessions are at the downtown branch of the Capital Area District Library, in the third floor conference room. You can go anyplace you want, such as Gone Wired, MSU Union or Kelly's Pub. You'll be there by yourself though. We'll all be down at the library. The schedule: July 16th, 6pm: Introduction to the Linux Command Line. http://www.gllug.org/node/99 July 18th, 1pm: Basic Networking and System Security. http://www.gllug.org/node/100 July 25th, 1pm: Lamp Server Workshop. http://www.gllug.org/node/101 You can download a flyer and a poster from http://www.gllug.org/node/97 and post it on your refrigerator. It has session summaries, dates and times. Our Venue: Capital Area District Library 401 S. Capital Avenue Lansing, Michigan From mortel at cyber-nos.com Tue Jul 14 19:30:54 2009 From: mortel at cyber-nos.com (Stan Mortel) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:30:54 -0700 Subject: [GLLUG] Server Seminar Series - Craig's List In-Reply-To: <4A5BB1C6.8000404@lazarusid.com> References: <4A5BB1C6.8000404@lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <4A5D152E.9080303@cyber-nos.com> I posted the following to the Lansing Craig's List under Free and Computers. ********************************************* The Greater Lansing Linux User's Group is presenting a series of public seminars for community members interested in building and running a Linux based Internet Server. All seminars are held at the downtown branch of the Capital Area District Library, in the third floor conference room. The library is at 401 South Capitol Avenue in Lansing, Michigan. Free and open to the public. http://www.gllug.org/node/97 Introduction to the Command Line Thursday, July 16th, 6pm Jeff Lawton of Ideal Solution will help new Linux users to become familiar with the command line. If you aren't comfortable with the Linux command line you'll want to take this class before attending the later sessions. Volunteers will be on hand to provide individualized support. http://www.gllug.org/node/99 Basic Networking and System Security Saturday, July 18th, 1:00 pm Charles Ulrich of Liquid Web will guide new Linux system administrators in the basics of networking and network security. Additional volunteers will be on hand to assist you in setting up your machines according to your individual needs. Participants are encouraged to bring the machines they are planning to connect to the network. http://www.gllug.org/node/100 LAMP Server Workshop Saturday, July 25th, 1:00 pm Clay Dowling of Lazarus Internet Development and Charles Ulrich of Liquid Web will briefly discuss the services that can be offered by a Linux, Apache, MySQL and PHP/Perl/Python (LAMP) server. Individual assistance will be provided in a workshop format to assist users with setting up their own LAMP servers. Participants should bring their own machines and necessary peripherals to this workshop. http://www.gllug.org/node/101 Contact Clay Dowling clay at lazarusid.com *************************************** Stan From clay at lazarusid.com Tue Jul 14 18:22:47 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:22:47 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Server Seminar Series - Craig's List In-Reply-To: <4A5D152E.9080303@cyber-nos.com> References: <4A5BB1C6.8000404@lazarusid.com> <4A5D152E.9080303@cyber-nos.com> Message-ID: <4A5D0537.5060007@lazarusid.com> Stan Mortel wrote: > I posted the following to the Lansing Craig's List under Free and Computers. > Excellent. I've been carpet-bombing the events and classes entries for Lansing. Clay From b.w.barker at smokejive.net Wed Jul 15 11:47:38 2009 From: b.w.barker at smokejive.net (Brent Barker) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:47:38 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Server Seminar Series - Craig's List In-Reply-To: <4A5D0537.5060007@lazarusid.com> References: <4A5BB1C6.8000404@lazarusid.com> <4A5D152E.9080303@cyber-nos.com> <4A5D0537.5060007@lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <3a8ddab90907150847m6f496c44t68b3fbc5799eb772@mail.gmail.com> I suggest announcing this on the GLLUG twitter account as well. I'll retweet it. --Brent On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Clay Dowling wrote: > Stan Mortel wrote: >> I posted the following to the Lansing Craig's List under Free and Computers. >> > Excellent. ?I've been carpet-bombing the events and classes entries for > Lansing. > > Clay > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From clay at lazarusid.com Wed Jul 15 12:10:01 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 12:10:01 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Server Seminar Series - Craig's List In-Reply-To: <3a8ddab90907150847m6f496c44t68b3fbc5799eb772@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A5BB1C6.8000404@lazarusid.com> <4A5D152E.9080303@cyber-nos.com> <4A5D0537.5060007@lazarusid.com> <3a8ddab90907150847m6f496c44t68b3fbc5799eb772@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090715121001.156779uze6bc3789@mail.lazarusid.com> Quoting Brent Barker : > I suggest announcing this on the GLLUG twitter account as well. I'll > retweet it. Who owns the GLLUG twitter account? It would be good to put this out, although right now it's only spammers following gllug. Clay -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From david at ramaboo.com Wed Jul 15 17:56:26 2009 From: david at ramaboo.com (David Singer) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:56:26 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Server Seminar Series - Craig's List In-Reply-To: <20090715121001.156779uze6bc3789@mail.lazarusid.com> References: <4A5BB1C6.8000404@lazarusid.com> <4A5D152E.9080303@cyber-nos.com> <4A5D0537.5060007@lazarusid.com> <3a8ddab90907150847m6f496c44t68b3fbc5799eb772@mail.gmail.com> <20090715121001.156779uze6bc3789@mail.lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <80324a260907151456j53b7d9b3x2dee3eee5767f56@mail.gmail.com> I do :) On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Clay Dowling wrote: > Quoting Brent Barker : > >> I suggest announcing this on the GLLUG twitter account as well. I'll >> retweet it. > > Who owns the GLLUG twitter account? ?It would be good to put this out, > although right now it's only spammers following gllug. > > Clay > -- > Online RPG Campaign Planning > http://www.rpg-campaign.com > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From rick at divinesymphony.net Wed Jul 15 22:07:53 2009 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:07:53 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] The Installfest That Wasn't In-Reply-To: <4A59116B.5000004@gmail.com> References: <4A590EE9.5020802@lazarusid.com> <4A59116B.5000004@gmail.com> Message-ID: I was thinking along the same lines with the local community papers. I wouldn't expect them to require a charge for that type of public service listing. On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Patrick Hawkins wrote: > I can't make any of these server sessions, but I did just notice that I > am the first non-spam account to follow @gllug on twitter: > > http://twitter.com/gllug > > Probably alerting @CityPulse (Lansing City Pulse newspaper) and @LEPFA > couldn't hurt either. Building up a base of local twitter followers who > would see event announcements cross their transom might bring in more > bodies. It's a lot less investment to follow a twitter account than to > subscribe to a mailing list. > > -Patrick > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From rick at divinesymphony.net Wed Jul 15 22:10:28 2009 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:10:28 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Server Classes In-Reply-To: <77C2324A-62EE-43C0-A79B-39503EF1FB1F@qtm.net> References: <20090626101515.73752xmq8w9c8ws3@mail.lazarusid.com> <7acc36fb0906260735x74737753naef4303c91961f68@mail.gmail.com> <77C2324A-62EE-43C0-A79B-39503EF1FB1F@qtm.net> Message-ID: Earlier in this thread, I saw references to CADL in downtown Lansing. On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:04 PM, wrote: > Hi, > I can make it on Saturday the18 at 1pm. Is this at Gone Wired? I can > not make it on Saturday the 25. Maybe Thurday the 23 we could have a > small pre-class on LAMP. I did miss Installfest. On Installfest I > figured that I already know how to Install programs. If there was more > to it, maybe on the rest of the classes you can give a quick outline. > Phil > > > - >>> >>> The plan is for four classes, to take people from base installation >>> to >>> actually running a server. >>> >>> My proposed schedule: >>> >>> >>> Saturday, July 11th - 1pm: Hometown cafe Installfest, concentrating >>> on Ubuntu >>> Server. ?Lani has agreed to lead this. ?Additional hands to help >>> people with questions would be appreciated. >>> >>> Thursday, July 16th - 6:30pm : Introduction to the command line. >>> Jeff >>> Lawton to lead this (Clay Dowling to act as his second). ?We should >>> also be prepared for installfest follow ups here, so other people on >>> hand would be good, to take people aside and work with them one on >>> one. >>> >>> Saturday, July 18th - 1pm: Basic networking and system hardening, to >>> be lead by Charles Ulrich (Marshal Newrock to act as his second). >>> >>> Saturday, July 25th - 1pm: LAMP Server workshop. ?As many volunteers >>> as we can get. ?Clay Dowling, Charles Ulrich at minimum have >>> volunteered to participate. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From clay at lazarusid.com Fri Jul 17 09:48:58 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:48:58 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] System Administration Book Message-ID: <20090717094858.20486r77ndzxhhsa@mail.lazarusid.com> I put up an amazon link to the administration book at http://www.gllug.org/node/102 This is the book that I mentioned last night in class. I completely got the name wrong, it's "Essential System Administration." The printed book through Amazon is about $10 cheaper than the electronic version from O'Reilly. Fair warning that the link provides a small kickback to me (about a buck per book, I think). That money will get turned back into pizza for the seminar sessions. Clay -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From clay at lazarusid.com Fri Jul 17 11:06:52 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:06:52 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Our newest Craigslist ad Message-ID: <20090717110652.21623iaxh4bpqlcc@mail.lazarusid.com> Given how well Craigslist promotion worked out for us last night, I've started pushing the LAMP Workshop. This is our newest ad: http://lansing.craigslist.org/sys/1274554339.html Clay -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From marr at copper.net Fri Jul 17 11:58:12 2009 From: marr at copper.net (Marr) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:58:12 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Our newest Craigslist ad In-Reply-To: <20090717110652.21623iaxh4bpqlcc@mail.lazarusid.com> References: <20090717110652.21623iaxh4bpqlcc@mail.lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <200907171158.13026.marr@copper.net> On Friday 17 July 2009 11:06:52am Clay Dowling wrote: > Given how well Craigslist promotion worked out for us last night, I've > started pushing the LAMP Workshop. This is our newest ad: > > http://lansing.craigslist.org/sys/1274554339.html Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like of the 3 most important pieces of information ("What?", "When?", and "Where?"), that posting leaves out the "When?" part. Even when you chase the provided "GLLUG's Server Seminar Series" link, there's no information on the date there either, unless you happen to drill into the little calendar on the proper dates. Yeah, I know that the dates are in the poster and flyer linked to on that GLLUG page, but I don't think we should make people download attachments to know the event dates. Bill Marr From clay at lazarusid.com Fri Jul 17 13:13:17 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:13:17 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Our newest Craigslist ad In-Reply-To: <200907171158.13026.marr@copper.net> References: <20090717110652.21623iaxh4bpqlcc@mail.lazarusid.com> <200907171158.13026.marr@copper.net> Message-ID: <20090717131317.76456x8yrgqt43sd@mail.lazarusid.com> Quoting Marr : > Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like of the 3 most important pieces > of information ("What?", "When?", and "Where?"), that posting leaves out > the "When?" part. Even when you chase the provided "GLLUG's Server Seminar Thanks for the catch. Changes made. You may have to refresh to see them. Clay -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From clay at lazarusid.com Fri Jul 17 13:22:58 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:22:58 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Class last night Message-ID: <20090717132258.11046p51f9klsfoy@mail.lazarusid.com> Just want to congratulate Jeff on a good class last night, especially since he came prepared for a different one. Our marketing efforts seem to be bearing some fruit as well. There were at least four people there directly because of our craigslist ads, which was gratifying. I think our experience with advertising results has been a good illustration of how traditional broadcast media has lost its social relevance. If you're on this list and you enjoyed last night's session, I'd like to ask a little favor of you. At http://www.gllug.org/node/97 there's a poster. If you could print that poster up and put it somewhere people will see it, that would be great. I don't know if it will generate any traffic for us, but it can't hurt. Clay -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From marr at copper.net Fri Jul 17 13:32:21 2009 From: marr at copper.net (Marr) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:32:21 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Our newest Craigslist ad In-Reply-To: <20090717131317.76456x8yrgqt43sd@mail.lazarusid.com> References: <20090717110652.21623iaxh4bpqlcc@mail.lazarusid.com> <200907171158.13026.marr@copper.net> <20090717131317.76456x8yrgqt43sd@mail.lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <200907171332.22344.marr@copper.net> On Friday 17 July 2009 1:13:17pm Clay Dowling wrote: > Thanks for the catch. Changes made. You may have to refresh to see them. Much better! Thanks for the update and your efforts in promoting Linux, Clay (et al). By the way, is there still a "Basic Networking and System Security" session tomorrow (Sat, 18 Jul 2009) at 1pm at the Capital Area District Library, as mentioned in the original flyer? Nobody's mentioned it specifically on the mailing list in the last day or two, so I'd like to be sure, since there's a small chance that I may be able to attend. Bill Marr From clay at lazarusid.com Fri Jul 17 14:22:35 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:22:35 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Our newest Craigslist ad In-Reply-To: <200907171332.22344.marr@copper.net> References: <20090717110652.21623iaxh4bpqlcc@mail.lazarusid.com> <200907171158.13026.marr@copper.net> <20090717131317.76456x8yrgqt43sd@mail.lazarusid.com> <200907171332.22344.marr@copper.net> Message-ID: <20090717142235.72242ryd7ovzk12j@mail.lazarusid.com> Quoting Marr : > By the way, is there still a "Basic Networking and System Security" session > tomorrow (Sat, 18 Jul 2009) at 1pm at the Capital Area District Library, as > mentioned in the original flyer? Nobody's mentioned it specifically on the > mailing list in the last day or two, so I'd like to be sure, since there's a > small chance that I may be able to attend. We'll be there. With Pizza. Clay -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From clay at lazarusid.com Fri Jul 17 14:24:36 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:24:36 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Basic Networking and System Security Seminar Message-ID: <20090717142436.1123658ghgpufg84@mail.lazarusid.com> Charles Ulrich of Liquid Web will guide new Linux system administrators in the basics of networking and network security. Additional volunteers will be on hand to assist you in setting up your machines according to your individual needs. Participants are encouraged to bring the machines they are planning to connect to the network. Saturday, July 18th, 1pm to 6pm Capital Area District Library 401 S. Capital Avenue Lansing, MI http://www.gllug.org/node/100 Clay -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From rick at divinesymphony.net Fri Jul 17 19:56:30 2009 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:56:30 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] System Administration Book In-Reply-To: <20090717094858.20486r77ndzxhhsa@mail.lazarusid.com> References: <20090717094858.20486r77ndzxhhsa@mail.lazarusid.com> Message-ID: I looked for that quick-reference I mentioned, and couldn't find it. I think I must have given it away. I originally got it at one of the three MSU bookstores, most likely SBS on Grand River. You could probably drop in and take a look. Anyhow, I think this is the link http://www.barcharts.com/Inventory/Navision/9781572224483. On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Clay Dowling wrote: > > I put up an amazon link to the administration book at > http://www.gllug.org/node/102 ?This is the book that I mentioned last > night in class. > > I completely got the name wrong, it's "Essential System > Administration." ?The printed book through Amazon is about $10 cheaper > than the electronic version from O'Reilly. > > Fair warning that the link provides a small kickback to me (about a > buck per book, I think). ?That money will get turned back into pizza > for the seminar sessions. > > Clay > -- > Online RPG Campaign Planning > http://www.rpg-campaign.com > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From 433411 at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 21:09:03 2009 From: 433411 at gmail.com (Fidel Dominguez-Valero) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:09:03 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] System Administration Book In-Reply-To: References: <20090717094858.20486r77ndzxhhsa@mail.lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <4A6120AF.3030107@gmail.com> Richard Houser wrote: > I looked for that quick-reference I mentioned, and couldn't find it. > I think I must have given it away. I originally got it at one of the > three MSU bookstores, most likely SBS on Grand River. You could > probably drop in and take a look. Anyhow, I think this is the link > http://www.barcharts.com/Inventory/Navision/9781572224483. > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Clay Dowling wrote: > >> I put up an amazon link to the administration book at >> http://www.gllug.org/node/102 This is the book that I mentioned last >> http://torrentz.com/search?q=Essential+System+Administration >> night in class. >> >> I completely got the name wrong, it's "Essential System >> Administration." The printed book through Amazon is about $10 cheaper >> than the electronic version from O'Reilly. >> >> Fair warning that the link provides a small kickback to me (about a >> buck per book, I think). That money will get turned back into pizza >> for the seminar sessions. >> >> Clay >> -- >> Online RPG Campaign Planning >> http://www.rpg-campaign.com >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > From c.e.tower at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 00:36:50 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 00:36:50 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] August Picnic Message-ID: <4A5FFFE2.20301@gmail.com> Did we ever set a date for the Saturday get-together in August? Our next meeting at Gone Wired is the 1st, but we could schedule the picnic then instead. I'm not trying to steer it that way; later in the month is fine, too. I'm just trying to get something decided, if it hasn't been already. -- Chick From c.e.tower at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 22:04:20 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 22:04:20 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Blog of helios: Are You Afraid? You Will Be... Message-ID: <4A612DA4.3050507@gmail.com> Here you go, Linux gamers. For five dollars, you can put your money where your mouths are. http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2009/07/are-you-afraid-you-will-be.html -- Chick From clay at lazarusid.com Tue Jul 21 11:20:09 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:20:09 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] LAMP Server Reminder Message-ID: <20090721112009.13115yxv22gsohwp@mail.lazarusid.com> Just a reminder to everyone on the list that we're doing our LAMP Server workshop this weekend. If you don't know what I'm talking about, have a look at http://www.gllug.org/node/101 I've been posting this to Craigslist daily, and I'm getting some responses, so I think we'll have decent attendance aside from the list regulars. You all are welcome too, of course. I've been advertising Thursday night as a good pre-session for people who need to do an install. I really don't want to be doing installs on Saturday. That said, if a couple of folks could be ready on Saturday to help out with installs, that would be awesome. I'll have the large stack of CDs there, so no need to bring media. I'd also like suggestions of what to cover. We'll obviously talk about Apache, MySQL and PHP setup, all of which can and should be installed via the operating system's package management system. If you aren't familiar with your distro's package management system, this is a good time to learn. PK, for you that means checking out the pkg_add command. The next obvious thing is a content management system like Drupal. I'm probably just going to hit the highlights on that. Is there any chance we can get a projector there? I won't need it the whole time, but it would be good for showing basic things like setting up/installing Drupal. Clay -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From clay at lazarusid.com Tue Jul 21 15:22:40 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:22:40 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] New GLLUG Site, first pass Message-ID: <20090721152240.19353d23so59f5a8@mail.lazarusid.com> My first pass at a new GLLUG website is visible at http://new.gllug.org The goal is to update to the new version of Drupal, and make it easier for new users to access the site. Anyway, I'd like some feedback. And I already know that it's ugly. I'm paid as a programmer, not a designer. I think the reasons why are obvious. If somebody with some design skill wanted to make a pass at making it look nice, I don't think anybody is going to be offended. Clay -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From david at ramaboo.com Tue Jul 21 16:09:22 2009 From: david at ramaboo.com (David Singer) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:09:22 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] New GLLUG Site, first pass In-Reply-To: <20090721152240.19353d23so59f5a8@mail.lazarusid.com> References: <20090721152240.19353d23so59f5a8@mail.lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <80324a260907211309g2ab39ae8j72e02b51d1e8f599@mail.gmail.com> clean URLs should be: 1) /story/welcome-new-gllug-website/ (note trailing slash) not story/welcome-new-gllug-website.html 2) you have 2 meta content types. Only the first one is needed (and it must be first inside head). 3) I belive the prefered way to do favicon is like this (in this order): 4) if you ever want to make the site look nice you will need cuz IE sucks. Though we could probebly dope support for IE 6. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Clay Dowling wrote: > My first pass at a new GLLUG website is visible at http://new.gllug.org > > The goal is to update to the new version of Drupal, and make it easier > for new users to access the site. > > Anyway, I'd like some feedback. ?And I already know that it's ugly. > I'm paid as a programmer, not a designer. ?I think the reasons why are > obvious. ?If somebody with some design skill wanted to make a pass at > making it look nice, I don't think anybody is going to be offended. > > Clay > -- > Online RPG Campaign Planning > http://www.rpg-campaign.com > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From clay at lazarusid.com Tue Jul 21 16:25:20 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:25:20 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] New GLLUG Site, first pass In-Reply-To: <80324a260907211309g2ab39ae8j72e02b51d1e8f599@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090721152240.19353d23so59f5a8@mail.lazarusid.com> <80324a260907211309g2ab39ae8j72e02b51d1e8f599@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090721162520.13164l7pfnh3nlm8@mail.lazarusid.com> Quoting David Singer : > clean URLs should be: > > 1) /story/welcome-new-gllug-website/ (note trailing slash) not > story/welcome-new-gllug-website.html Okay, I stripped the .html bit, but a trailing slash really pisses Drupal off and it starts throwing 404 errors. So we're gonna settle for story/welcome-new-gllug-website As for IE8 specific theming, I wasn't planning to go down that road. IE does indeed blow goats, and our core audience isn't going to be using IE. Clay -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From david at ramaboo.com Tue Jul 21 16:39:40 2009 From: david at ramaboo.com (David Singer) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:39:40 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] New GLLUG Site, first pass In-Reply-To: <20090721162520.13164l7pfnh3nlm8@mail.lazarusid.com> References: <20090721152240.19353d23so59f5a8@mail.lazarusid.com> <80324a260907211309g2ab39ae8j72e02b51d1e8f599@mail.gmail.com> <20090721162520.13164l7pfnh3nlm8@mail.lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <80324a260907211339v26bbf4d2kf8d9ffe334fa42aa@mail.gmail.com> really the urls with or without the slash work perfect on my drupal install. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Clay Dowling wrote: > Quoting David Singer : > >> clean URLs should be: >> >> 1) /story/welcome-new-gllug-website/ (note trailing slash) not >> story/welcome-new-gllug-website.html > > Okay, I stripped the .html bit, but a trailing slash really pisses Drupal > off and it starts throwing 404 errors. ?So we're gonna settle for > story/welcome-new-gllug-website > > As for IE8 specific theming, I wasn't planning to go down that road. ?IE > does indeed blow goats, and our core audience isn't going to be using IE. > > Clay > > -- > Online RPG Campaign Planning > http://www.rpg-campaign.com > From jfick at mphi.org Tue Jul 21 16:46:14 2009 From: jfick at mphi.org (Jim Fick) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:46:14 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] New GLLUG Site, first pass In-Reply-To: <20090721162520.13164l7pfnh3nlm8@mail.lazarusid.com> References: <20090721152240.19353d23so59f5a8@mail.lazarusid.com><80324a260907211309g2ab39ae8j72e02b51d1e8f599@mail.gmail.com> <20090721162520.13164l7pfnh3nlm8@mail.lazarusid.com> Message-ID: "blow goats", now that I would pay to see. James Fick Security Engineer 2501 Jolly Road, Suite 180 Okemos, MI 48864 517-324-8304 -----Original Message----- From: linux-user-bounces at egr.msu.edu [mailto:linux-user-bounces at egr.msu.edu] On Behalf Of Clay Dowling Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:25 PM To: David Singer Cc: GLLUG Subject: Re: [GLLUG] New GLLUG Site, first pass Quoting David Singer : > clean URLs should be: > > 1) /story/welcome-new-gllug-website/ (note trailing slash) not > story/welcome-new-gllug-website.html Okay, I stripped the .html bit, but a trailing slash really pisses Drupal off and it starts throwing 404 errors. So we're gonna settle for story/welcome-new-gllug-website As for IE8 specific theming, I wasn't planning to go down that road. IE does indeed blow goats, and our core audience isn't going to be using IE. Clay -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user at egr.msu.edu http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From clay at lazarusid.com Tue Jul 21 18:31:28 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:31:28 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] New GLLUG Site, first pass In-Reply-To: <80324a260907211339v26bbf4d2kf8d9ffe334fa42aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090721152240.19353d23so59f5a8@mail.lazarusid.com> <80324a260907211309g2ab39ae8j72e02b51d1e8f599@mail.gmail.com> <20090721162520.13164l7pfnh3nlm8@mail.lazarusid.com> <80324a260907211339v26bbf4d2kf8d9ffe334fa42aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A6641C0.5050607@lazarusid.com> David Singer wrote: > really the urls with or without the slash work perfect on my drupal install. > Maybe I screwed something up. In any event, all of the options tried or suggested so far are better than node/5 Clay From c.e.tower at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 16:44:56 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:44:56 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] New GLLUG Site, first pass In-Reply-To: <20090721162520.13164l7pfnh3nlm8@mail.lazarusid.com> References: <20090721152240.19353d23so59f5a8@mail.lazarusid.com> <80324a260907211309g2ab39ae8j72e02b51d1e8f599@mail.gmail.com> <20090721162520.13164l7pfnh3nlm8@mail.lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <4A6628C8.9060803@gmail.com> I think we should make allowances for IE7 & IE8, since we're also trying to entice Windows users to try FOSS, and some GLLUG members may not have access to web browsers other than IE at work. Chick Clay Dowling wrote: > As for IE8 specific theming, I wasn't planning to go down that road. > IE does indeed blow goats, and our core audience isn't going to be > using IE. From eduardo at cesconetto.com Tue Jul 21 22:29:35 2009 From: eduardo at cesconetto.com (Eduardo Cesconetto) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:29:35 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] New GLLUG Site, first pass In-Reply-To: <4A6628C8.9060803@gmail.com> References: <20090721152240.19353d23so59f5a8@mail.lazarusid.com> <80324a260907211309g2ab39ae8j72e02b51d1e8f599@mail.gmail.com> <20090721162520.13164l7pfnh3nlm8@mail.lazarusid.com> <4A6628C8.9060803@gmail.com> Message-ID: Screw IE users J. K. Chick has a good point... Eduardo Cesconetto On Jul 21, 2009, at 3:44 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > I think we should make allowances for IE7 & IE8, since we're also > trying > to entice Windows users to try FOSS, and some GLLUG members may not > have > access to web browsers other than IE at work. > > Chick > > > Clay Dowling wrote: >> As for IE8 specific theming, I wasn't planning to go down that road. >> IE does indeed blow goats, and our core audience isn't going to be >> using IE. > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From rick at divinesymphony.net Wed Jul 22 01:08:51 2009 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:08:51 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] New GLLUG Site, first pass In-Reply-To: <80324a260907211309g2ab39ae8j72e02b51d1e8f599@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090721152240.19353d23so59f5a8@mail.lazarusid.com> <80324a260907211309g2ab39ae8j72e02b51d1e8f599@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Not bad, Clay! Here are a few recommendations: 2.) The meta-equiv statements are for file-based usage without HTTP. Those statements should be completely removed, as it's just wasted bytes. 3.) We shouldn't need to set two favicon statements just to accommodate broken IE behavior. We'll be stuck with a favicon.ico in the root anyhow, so we might as well just let IE hit that. Of course, I recommend keeping the standards compliant icon specification. I'm not sure the type is required; if not, we'd be much better off letting Apache manage that than hard-coding it and limiting browser options. 4.) We should be able to get rid of the IE8 check. Despite doing some incredibly braindead things (like not supporting XHTML content at all), IE8 isn't that bad on basic html 4.01 era rendering. I vote for adding no additional effort for IE6 past being able to get the text on the screen (regardless of mangling). Using IE6 either means running either Windows 2000 or an unsupported Microsoft OS version. The CSS definitely needs a background color. Even something like off-white or a light solid color would be an improvement (especially on laptop screens, where the contrast difference can be overwhelming with some lighting). On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:09 PM, David Singer wrote: > clean URLs should be: > > 1) /story/welcome-new-gllug-website/ (note trailing slash) not > story/welcome-new-gllug-website.html > > 2) you have 2 meta content types. Only the first one is needed (and it > must be first inside head). > > 3) I belive the prefered way to do favicon is like this (in this order): > > ? ? ? ? > > 4) if you ever want to make the site look nice you will need > ? ? ? ? > ? ? ? ? > > ? ? ? ? > > cuz IE sucks. Though we could probebly dope support for IE 6. > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Clay Dowling wrote: >> My first pass at a new GLLUG website is visible at http://new.gllug.org >> >> The goal is to update to the new version of Drupal, and make it easier >> for new users to access the site. >> >> Anyway, I'd like some feedback. ?And I already know that it's ugly. >> I'm paid as a programmer, not a designer. ?I think the reasons why are >> obvious. ?If somebody with some design skill wanted to make a pass at >> making it look nice, I don't think anybody is going to be offended. >> >> Clay >> -- >> Online RPG Campaign Planning >> http://www.rpg-campaign.com >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From charles at bityard.net Wed Jul 22 02:38:59 2009 From: charles at bityard.net (Charles) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 02:38:59 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] New GLLUG Site, first pass In-Reply-To: <20090721152240.19353d23so59f5a8@mail.lazarusid.com> References: <20090721152240.19353d23so59f5a8@mail.lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <4A66B403.3030005@bityard.net> Clay Dowling wrote: > And I already know that it's ugly. > I'm paid as a programmer, not a designer. I think the reasons why are > obvious. If somebody with some design skill wanted to make a pass at > making it look nice, I don't think anybody is going to be offended. Why not just slap a nice looking third-party theme on there? That's one of the main reasons (in my book anyway) to go with a CMS in the first place. Select a theme, add some content, and voila you have a website. Charles -- http://bityard.net From clay at lazarusid.com Wed Jul 22 09:31:16 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:31:16 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Website appearance Message-ID: <20090722093116.19145ukkkraw119g@mail.lazarusid.com> Okay, first, let's not get too hung up on the appearance. There are a couple of important points: 1. I won't be doing -any- browser specific design. If somebody else wants to do that, I won't get in their way, and I'll make resources available. 2. We are using a predesigned theme. It's running on the Zen theme, with my minor modifications to get the skyline image up on top and make lists behave properly. Zen and zen descendants like to eat lists for some reason. The technical flaws mentioned come with the Zen theme, and they'll probably stay there, because for the most part I don't give a damn if it renders right in the brower. 3. I'm going to take a look for other themes that might look good. 4. If anybody with design skills would like to submit their own theme, I'll be happy to help you get it set up for testing. 5. If the white background is too bright for you, I suggest turning on a light, just like your mother always told you to do. Clay -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From clay at lazarusid.com Wed Jul 22 10:01:01 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:01:01 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Drupal 6 Themes Previews Message-ID: <20090722100101.56586pkjpql0qtgd@mail.lazarusid.com> There's a cool resource for drupal themes that's worth checking out. http://themegarden.org/drupal6/?q=node Remember to stick to Drupal 6 themes. -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From david at ramaboo.com Wed Jul 22 10:12:37 2009 From: david at ramaboo.com (David Singer) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:12:37 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] New GLLUG Site, first pass In-Reply-To: References: <20090721152240.19353d23so59f5a8@mail.lazarusid.com> <80324a260907211309g2ab39ae8j72e02b51d1e8f599@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <80324a260907220712v543b3d05udfc74affb7505323@mail.gmail.com> 4) Your right we should be able to avoid IE8 check. But should and can are very different. In my experience virtual any complex site requires an IE8 fix here and there or a CSS IE8 only hack. The other option which I have been using on clients sites is to pass in a special meta tag that forces IE8 to use IE7 rendering. Works for a lot of things though its a giant hack. David On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 1:08 AM, Richard Houser wrote: > Not bad, Clay! ?Here are a few recommendations: > > 2.) ?The meta-equiv statements are for file-based usage without HTTP. > Those statements should be completely removed, as it's just wasted > bytes. > > 3.) ?We shouldn't need to set two favicon statements just to > accommodate broken IE behavior. ?We'll be stuck with a favicon.ico in > the root anyhow, so we might as well just let IE hit that. ?Of course, > I recommend keeping the standards compliant icon specification. ?I'm > not sure the type is required; if not, we'd be much better off letting > Apache manage that than hard-coding it and limiting browser options. > > 4.) ?We should be able to get rid of the IE8 check. ?Despite doing > some incredibly braindead things (like not supporting XHTML content at > all), IE8 isn't that bad on basic html 4.01 era rendering. ?I vote for > adding no additional effort for IE6 past being able to get the text on > the screen (regardless of mangling). ?Using IE6 either means running > either Windows 2000 or an unsupported Microsoft OS version. > > The CSS definitely needs a background color. ?Even something like > off-white or a light solid color would be an improvement (especially > on laptop screens, where the contrast difference can be overwhelming > with some lighting). > > > > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:09 PM, David Singer wrote: >> clean URLs should be: >> >> 1) /story/welcome-new-gllug-website/ (note trailing slash) not >> story/welcome-new-gllug-website.html >> >> 2) you have 2 meta content types. Only the first one is needed (and it >> must be first inside head). >> >> 3) I belive the prefered way to do favicon is like this (in this order): >> >> ? ? ? ? >> >> 4) if you ever want to make the site look nice you will need >> ? ? ? ? >> ? ? ? ? >> >> ? ? ? ? >> >> cuz IE sucks. Though we could probebly dope support for IE 6. >> >> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Clay Dowling wrote: >>> My first pass at a new GLLUG website is visible at http://new.gllug.org >>> >>> The goal is to update to the new version of Drupal, and make it easier >>> for new users to access the site. >>> >>> Anyway, I'd like some feedback. ?And I already know that it's ugly. >>> I'm paid as a programmer, not a designer. ?I think the reasons why are >>> obvious. ?If somebody with some design skill wanted to make a pass at >>> making it look nice, I don't think anybody is going to be offended. >>> >>> Clay >>> -- >>> Online RPG Campaign Planning >>> http://www.rpg-campaign.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> linux-user mailing list >>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> > From clay at lazarusid.com Wed Jul 22 10:55:20 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:55:20 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] New Feature Message-ID: <20090722105520.198061wjqsr1bk9k@mail.lazarusid.com> On the new website, I have enabled the ability for registered users to control their theme. I have also uploaded several themes that I think would make a good basis for our design. Again, don't sweat the technical stuff unless you're ready to make it happen. So it might have funky meta tags, unhappy favicons, or other behind the scenes things that you don't like. And it will continue to do so. Create your accounts and play with the themes to see what you like. My top three so far: Blue Zinfandel Nitobe Goofy Clay -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From collorap at msu.edu Wed Jul 22 21:20:02 2009 From: collorap at msu.edu (Patrick) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:20:02 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] New GLLUG Site, first pass In-Reply-To: <4A6628C8.9060803@gmail.com> References: <20090721152240.19353d23so59f5a8@mail.lazarusid.com> <80324a260907211309g2ab39ae8j72e02b51d1e8f599@mail.gmail.com> <20090721162520.13164l7pfnh3nlm8@mail.lazarusid.com> <4A6628C8.9060803@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A67BAC2.4040607@msu.edu> The images aren't loading and there are Javascript errors . Do I need to upgrade my browser? That's Netscape 2.02 on Linux, by the way. I tried 1.1 also, but it wouldn't connect to the server. Chick Tower wrote: > I think we should make allowances for IE7 & IE8, since we're also trying > to entice Windows users to try FOSS, and some GLLUG members may not have > access to web browsers other than IE at work. > > Chick > > > Clay Dowling wrote: > >> As for IE8 specific theming, I wasn't planning to go down that road. >> IE does indeed blow goats, and our core audience isn't going to be >> using IE. >> > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > -- Patrick Collora -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090722/d07be553/attachment.html From clay at lazarusid.com Wed Jul 22 21:30:38 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:30:38 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] New GLLUG Site, first pass In-Reply-To: <4A67BAC2.4040607@msu.edu> References: <20090721152240.19353d23so59f5a8@mail.lazarusid.com> <80324a260907211309g2ab39ae8j72e02b51d1e8f599@mail.gmail.com> <20090721162520.13164l7pfnh3nlm8@mail.lazarusid.com> <4A6628C8.9060803@gmail.com> <4A67BAC2.4040607@msu.edu> Message-ID: <4A67BD3E.8080008@lazarusid.com> Patrick wrote: > The images aren't loading and there are Javascript errors > . Do I need to upgrade > my browser? > > That's Netscape 2.02 on Linux, by the way. I tried 1.1 also, but it > wouldn't connect to the server. Yeah, I think 1.1 has trouble with named virtual hosts. As for the upgrading, I say definitely yes. Grab lynx. A vast improvement. Clay From mortel at cyber-nos.com Thu Jul 23 11:22:27 2009 From: mortel at cyber-nos.com (Stanley C. Mortel) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:22:27 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] New Feature In-Reply-To: <20090722105520.198061wjqsr1bk9k@mail.lazarusid.com> References: <20090722105520.198061wjqsr1bk9k@mail.lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <4A688033.90500@cyber-nos.com> Clay, Once someone selects the theme they want to use when they visit our site, will that selection be persistent, or will they have to select it again every time they come back? I am assuming your plan was to make several themes available to the user, rather than just picking one from the themes site. I like plutado and sky. Stan Clay Dowling wrote: > On the new website, I have enabled the ability for registered users to > control their theme. I have also uploaded several themes that I think > would make a good basis for our design. Again, don't sweat the > technical stuff unless you're ready to make it happen. So it might > have funky meta tags, unhappy favicons, or other behind the scenes > things that you don't like. And it will continue to do so. > > Create your accounts and play with the themes to see what you like. > My top three so far: > > Blue Zinfandel > Nitobe > Goofy > > > Clay > From clay at lazarusid.com Thu Jul 23 11:51:59 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:51:59 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] New Feature In-Reply-To: <4A688033.90500@cyber-nos.com> References: <20090722105520.198061wjqsr1bk9k@mail.lazarusid.com> <4A688033.90500@cyber-nos.com> Message-ID: <20090723115159.12255xhic6dxnmlb@mail.lazarusid.com> Quoting "Stanley C. Mortel" : > Once someone selects the theme they want to use when they visit our > site, will that selection be persistent, or will they have to select it > again every time they come back? I am assuming your plan was to make > several themes available to the user, rather than just picking one from > the themes site. > > I like plutado and sky. Sky is very pretty. I've added both in, so people can pick them. We certainly can make several available for the user. But I also think we should pick a single theme to be the site's default. Theme selections are definitely persistent for users with accounts, but just casual visitors only get the default theme. If you have a preference for one theme or another, please vote in the poll (you'll need an account). The poll is open for two weeks. At the end of the two weeks I'm going to pick the one with the most votes. If what you really want is the old blue theme from the old site, pick garland. If you'd like something custom, such as the current default, choose GLLUG. That option depends on us finding a kindly volunteer to make the site look nice though, because otherwise you're stuck with my meager design skills. Which is a little like using a one-eyed epileptic for your chauffeur. Clay -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From clay at lazarusid.com Thu Jul 23 12:06:29 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:06:29 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Plutado is now off the list Message-ID: <20090723120629.11144mt9qfm8zp8l@mail.lazarusid.com> Plutado turns out to have some ugly issues when displayed on the admin screen, so I've pulled it from the list. It reacted poorly to having our logo uploaded, which suggests that it's too fragile for a default font. Just bound to blow up on somebody. Clay -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From clay at lazarusid.com Thu Jul 23 15:05:48 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:05:48 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Install media Message-ID: <20090723150548.33301sv3d9cs28p8@mail.lazarusid.com> I left the house in a great hurry this morning, and the seminar box was not put into my car. If somebody comes tonight wanting to install Linux, can somebody have an Ubuntu disk handy? I figure a few of you probably keep them with your laptops. We definitely don't need to go out and burn a bunch of disks. I figure at most we'll get one person, and probably not any. Clay -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From collorap at msu.edu Thu Jul 23 21:30:45 2009 From: collorap at msu.edu (Patrick) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:30:45 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] New GLLUG Site, first pass In-Reply-To: <4A67BD3E.8080008@lazarusid.com> References: <20090721152240.19353d23so59f5a8@mail.lazarusid.com> <80324a260907211309g2ab39ae8j72e02b51d1e8f599@mail.gmail.com> <20090721162520.13164l7pfnh3nlm8@mail.lazarusid.com> <4A6628C8.9060803@gmail.com> <4A67BAC2.4040607@msu.edu> <4A67BD3E.8080008@lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <4A690EC5.1080407@msu.edu> Before I tried 2.02, I attempted to open 4.8, which used to work on my PC, but it crashed with a seg fault. Interestingly, about half of the time it crashed immediately after typing the ./netscape command while other times a browser window opened after a few seconds and it crashed. I deleted my profile and reinstalled but no luck. I searched the web and didn't see any solutions, but then again, nobody runs Netscape these days. However, I was able to find a version of Netscape 4.75 compiled with libc5 and it works perfectly. Any ideas what could be wrong? It's not the Netscape version because glibc builds of 4.75 and 4.8 both crash. I guess it's either a misconfiguration, a bug in Netscape, or a bug in glibc. $ ldd netscape-glibc linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000) libBrokenLocale.so.1 => /lib/libBrokenLocale.so.1 (0xb7fca000) libXt.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6 (0xb7f7a000) libSM.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6 (0xb7f72000) libICE.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6 (0xb7f5a000) libXmu.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so.6 (0xb7f45000) libXpm.so.4 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.so.4 (0xb7f36000) libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0xb7f27000) libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0xb7e60000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0xb7e5c000) libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 => /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 (0xb7e1a00 0) libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0xb7df3000) libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0xb7cb3000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb7fe7000) $ ldd netscape-libc5 libXt.so.6 => /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libXt.so.6 (0xb7fa2000) libSM.so.6 => /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libSM.so.6 (0xb7f9a000) libICE.so.6 => /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libICE.so.6 (0xb7f86000) libXmu.so.6 => /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libXmu.so.6 (0xb7f75000) libXpm.so.4 => /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libXpm.so.4 (0xb7f67000) libXext.so.6 => /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libXext.so.6 (0xb7f5d000) libX11.so.6 => /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libX11.so.6 (0xb7ecb000) libdl.so.1 => /lib/libdl.so.1 (0xb7ec8000) libc.so.5 => /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libc.so.5 (0xb7dff000) libg++.so.27 => /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libg++.so.27 (0xb7dc7000) libstdc++.so.27 => /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libstdc++.so.27 (0xb7d95000) libm.so.5 => /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libm.so.5 (0xb7d8d000) Clay Dowling wrote: > Patrick wrote: > >> The images aren't loading and there are Javascript errors >> . Do I need to upgrade >> my browser? >> >> That's Netscape 2.02 on Linux, by the way. I tried 1.1 also, but it >> wouldn't connect to the server. >> > Yeah, I think 1.1 has trouble with named virtual hosts. > > As for the upgrading, I say definitely yes. Grab lynx. A vast improvement. > > Clay > > -- Patrick Collora From mortel at cyber-nos.com Thu Jul 23 22:02:04 2009 From: mortel at cyber-nos.com (Stanley C. Mortel) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 22:02:04 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Malware primer Message-ID: <4A69161C.5070808@cyber-nos.com> This is a fairly nice summary of the present malware situation. Short, but decent. http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=881&tag=nl.e102 Stan From clay at lazarusid.com Fri Jul 24 08:25:37 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 08:25:37 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] New GLLUG Site, first pass In-Reply-To: <4A690EC5.1080407@msu.edu> References: <20090721152240.19353d23so59f5a8@mail.lazarusid.com> <80324a260907211309g2ab39ae8j72e02b51d1e8f599@mail.gmail.com> <20090721162520.13164l7pfnh3nlm8@mail.lazarusid.com> <4A6628C8.9060803@gmail.com> <4A67BAC2.4040607@msu.edu> <4A67BD3E.8080008@lazarusid.com> <4A690EC5.1080407@msu.edu> Message-ID: <20090724082537.11072g5wcjopasld@mail.lazarusid.com> Quoting Patrick : > However, I was able to find a version of Netscape 4.75 compiled with > libc5 and it works perfectly. Any ideas what could be wrong? It's not > the Netscape version because glibc builds of 4.75 and 4.8 both crash. I > guess it's either a misconfiguration, a bug in Netscape, or a bug in glibc. Well, if I had to hazard a guess, I'd say it's because you're trying to run a browser that will be old enough to take driver's ed in a year or two. And one that was notorious for buffer overflow issues. As the core libraries have gotten more secure, and been built under different versions of g++ and glibc, the problems have shown themselves. The right solution is to upgrade to something released after G. W. Bush took office. Clay -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From clay at lazarusid.com Fri Jul 24 09:21:24 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 09:21:24 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Google Calendar Message-ID: <20090724092124.49784e3emvdiyul0@mail.lazarusid.com> At one point there was a google calendar created for GLLUG. Anybody know what the calendar is? I'd like to integrate it with the new site. Sadly, it won't be full integration. The efforts to do that have been stalled and there are no prospects for it picking back up. But events on the Google Calendar will show up in a block on the new site, which is about all we really need anyway. Clay -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From c.e.tower at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 23:39:26 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 23:39:26 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] August Picnic II Message-ID: <4A692CEE.4000905@gmail.com> Well, based on the low number of responses to my e-mail about a cook-out in August (one, sent to me privately), it appears nobody wants to have the event. -- Chick From clay at lazarusid.com Fri Jul 24 13:54:54 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:54:54 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Picnic II: Grilled Chicken Message-ID: <20090724135454.81437du88992bre6@mail.lazarusid.com> Just to spur this cookout thing along: We have two pastured chickens ready to grill. I've cooked this kind of bird before, and they're awesome as a beer-butt chicken. The birds are, as I write this, sitting in Jeff's freezer awaiting the cookout. What we need is a time and a location. The birds take a couple of hours to cook, so we can't do this on a week night. It needs to be a weekend. We also need to find a good sized kettle grill. I have one webber kettle grill, but I need a second, because you can only fit one bird into the covered grill, and the birds have to be covered to cook this way. The rectangular covered grills aren't big enough. And these birds have to be cooked over charcoal, because the fuel cost for gas will be ridiculous. I'm volunteering my place as a first pass. Remember though that I live in Flushing, so if anybody else has a better location to volunteer, let me know. Clay -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From charles at bityard.net Fri Jul 24 15:00:14 2009 From: charles at bityard.net (charles at bityard.net) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:00:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] Google Calendar In-Reply-To: <20090724092124.49784e3emvdiyul0@mail.lazarusid.com> References: <20090724092124.49784e3emvdiyul0@mail.lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <49565.69.89.102.100.1248462014.squirrel@host.bityard.net> On Fri, July 24, 2009 9:21 am, Clay Dowling wrote: > At one point there was a google calendar created for GLLUG. Anybody > know what the calendar is? I'd like to integrate it with the new site. I set it up as a sub-calendar on my Google account when my official title was "Event Manager" or something. It was meant as a stop-gap until Drupal had a better calendar plugin. Here are the links: XML: http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/v6hk5v1hq1dpomjq7v5rm2v1ro%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic iCal: http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/v6hk5v1hq1dpomjq7v5rm2v1ro%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics HTML: http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=v6hk5v1hq1dpomjq7v5rm2v1ro%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/New_York Charles -- http://bityard.net From charles at bityard.net Fri Jul 24 15:14:48 2009 From: charles at bityard.net (charles at bityard.net) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] Google Calendar In-Reply-To: <49565.69.89.102.100.1248462014.squirrel@host.bityard.net> References: <20090724092124.49784e3emvdiyul0@mail.lazarusid.com> <49565.69.89.102.100.1248462014.squirrel@host.bityard.net> Message-ID: <51423.69.89.102.100.1248462888.squirrel@host.bityard.net> On Fri, July 24, 2009 3:00 pm, charles at bityard.net wrote: > I set it up as a sub-calendar on my Google account when my official title > was "Event Manager" or something. It was meant as a stop-gap until Drupal > had a better calendar plugin. Here are the links: I meant to also say that the HTML to embed the calendar should still be present somewhere on the old Druapl site unless the content was erased. If it did, I can try to figure it out again. Charles -- http://bityard.net From charles at bityard.net Fri Jul 24 15:30:01 2009 From: charles at bityard.net (charles at bityard.net) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] Picnic II: Grilled Chicken In-Reply-To: <20090724135454.81437du88992bre6@mail.lazarusid.com> References: <20090724135454.81437du88992bre6@mail.lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <58767.69.89.102.100.1248463801.squirrel@host.bityard.net> On Fri, July 24, 2009 1:54 pm, Clay Dowling wrote: > What we need is a time and a location. The birds take a couple of > hours to cook, so we can't do this on a week night. It needs to be a > weekend. We also need to find a good sized kettle grill. I have one > webber kettle grill, but I need a second, because you can only fit one > bird into the covered grill, and the birds have to be covered to cook > this way. The rectangular covered grills aren't big enough. And > these birds have to be cooked over charcoal, because the fuel cost for > gas will be ridiculous. I have a Webber kettle grill as well. It's missing legs, but still works great. I'll volunteer it for the cookout even if I'm not able go. > I'm volunteering my place as a first pass. Remember though that I > live in Flushing, so if anybody else has a better location to > volunteer, let me know. My votes are for the weekend of the 1st or the weekend of the 29th in August. No idea on location. Are there any parks we could use? If I had a cantenna, I could probably shoot wifi into Washington Park from my house. :P Charles -- http://bityard.net From clay at lazarusid.com Fri Jul 24 15:32:13 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:32:13 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Google Calendar In-Reply-To: <49565.69.89.102.100.1248462014.squirrel@host.bityard.net> References: <20090724092124.49784e3emvdiyul0@mail.lazarusid.com> <49565.69.89.102.100.1248462014.squirrel@host.bityard.net> Message-ID: <20090724153213.16763170acu4pgl9@mail.lazarusid.com> Quoting charles at bityard.net: > > On Fri, July 24, 2009 9:21 am, Clay Dowling wrote: >> At one point there was a google calendar created for GLLUG. Anybody >> know what the calendar is? I'd like to integrate it with the new site. > > I set it up as a sub-calendar on my Google account when my official title > was "Event Manager" or something. It was meant as a stop-gap until Drupal > had a better calendar plugin. Here are the links: I thought David created one a couple weeks ago. That's what I'm really after. And it needs to be something that any of the people who might be organizing a GLLUG event can create entries on. Right now I've got the Agenda plugin installed, and that's pulling off my personal calendar. Since I don't actually use Google Calendar, that's not a problem for me. -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From clay at lazarusid.com Sat Jul 25 09:53:33 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 09:53:33 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] LAMP Server Workshop Message-ID: <4A6B0E5D.2040304@lazarusid.com> Just a last minute reminder to everybody that we're doing the LAMP Server workshop today. Things you can do to make life happier: Pre-install apache2, php5, mysql-client and mysql-server I'll actually be doing that install in class to show people how it's done. I'll be bringing a network hub for those of you who don't have wireless access. You should bring a network cable with you though. This -won't- necessarily get you acess to the outside world. But it will let you see your server from another machine if you're forced to run in text mode. Clay From mortel at cyber-nos.com Sat Jul 25 22:22:22 2009 From: mortel at cyber-nos.com (Stanley C. Mortel) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:22:22 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Picnic II: Grilled Chicken In-Reply-To: <20090724135454.81437du88992bre6@mail.lazarusid.com> References: <20090724135454.81437du88992bre6@mail.lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <4A6BBDDE.4000802@cyber-nos.com> I vote for Jeff's place. What a wonderful spot that was last year. Of course, I haven't mentioned this to Jeff yet, but that's what he gets for not reading his email often enough..... ;-) Jeff, are you willing??? If not, I'd be willing to host it. We have a nice back yard and screened in porch, but no massive courtyard. Stan Clay Dowling wrote: > Just to spur this cookout thing along: > > We have two pastured chickens ready to grill. I've cooked this kind > of bird before, and they're awesome as a beer-butt chicken. The birds > are, as I write this, sitting in Jeff's freezer awaiting the cookout. > > What we need is a time and a location. The birds take a couple of > hours to cook, so we can't do this on a week night. It needs to be a > weekend. We also need to find a good sized kettle grill. I have one > webber kettle grill, but I need a second, because you can only fit one > bird into the covered grill, and the birds have to be covered to cook > this way. The rectangular covered grills aren't big enough. And > these birds have to be cooked over charcoal, because the fuel cost for > gas will be ridiculous. > > I'm volunteering my place as a first pass. Remember though that I > live in Flushing, so if anybody else has a better location to > volunteer, let me know. > > Clay > From clay at lazarusid.com Sun Jul 26 10:25:44 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 10:25:44 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Picnic II: Grilled Chicken In-Reply-To: <4A6BBDDE.4000802@cyber-nos.com> References: <20090724135454.81437du88992bre6@mail.lazarusid.com> <4A6BBDDE.4000802@cyber-nos.com> Message-ID: <4A6C6768.7060804@lazarusid.com> Stanley C. Mortel wrote: > I vote for Jeff's place. What a wonderful spot that was last year. Of > course, I haven't mentioned this to Jeff yet, but that's what he gets > for not reading his email often enough..... ;-) > > Jeff, are you willing??? > > If not, I'd be willing to host it. We have a nice back yard and > screened in porch, but no massive courtyard. > Jeff is leaving town very early on that morning. David lives on the same property though, and I believe has volunteered to host it for this event. If that falls through though, I like Stan's place as a fallback. Clay From clay at lazarusid.com Sun Jul 26 12:50:09 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:50:09 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Server Seminar Series Recap Message-ID: <4A6C8941.5070409@lazarusid.com> Yesterday we had our final seminar in our Server Seminar Series. It was a long day, but successful, and several of our members were able to go out with working LAMP servers. There were also several other lessons learned: 1. Linux runs best in native mode, rather than emulation. Our experiences yesterday with Linux running under emulation were not happy. They failed for different reasons, but they still failed. There are obviously people running Linux under emulation very successfully, but it appears to take a fair amount of experience to do it well. 2. Run servers from a server distribution of Linux. I did my presentation with a desktop version, and it took a lot of twiddling. A bunch of other people were also using desktop, and they had the same twiddling issues. 3. Install Drupal from sources, not from a distribution system. Installation from source went well, but one participant who installed from his package system had a lot of trouble. 4. Command line skills are essential. Some members who were trying to do system administration with a graphic interface to the filesystem had trouble. That means we need to make more of an effort at promoting the command line classes, since we've established that being uncomfortable with the command line is a significant barrier to entry. 5. Installing LAMP software isn't trivial. If we run this seminar in the future, we need to establish a more straight-forward way to get a LAMP server ready and install software. A lot of this goes back to lesson 1. And honestly, there might be a case to be made from running this on FreeBSD or OpenBSD, possibly by providing a machine or machines to use in the class. BSD is definitely optimized to run as a server. Clay From charles at bityard.net Sun Jul 26 13:01:54 2009 From: charles at bityard.net (Charles) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:01:54 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Security Presentation Slides Message-ID: <4A6C8C02.5080909@bityard.net> Clay's Server Series recap reminded me that I hadn't yet publicly posted the slides for the Security Presentation. Here they are: http://lazarusid.com/files/security_slides.pdf It is possible (even likely) that the slides will end up on the new GLLUG site once it's fully up and running. Charles -- http://bityard.net From lrmeredith at gmail.com Sun Jul 26 13:53:05 2009 From: lrmeredith at gmail.com (Lani Meredith) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:53:05 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Server Seminar Series Recap In-Reply-To: <4A6C8941.5070409@lazarusid.com> References: <4A6C8941.5070409@lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <200907261353.05542.lrmeredith@gmail.com> On Sunday 26 July 2009 12:50:09 pm Clay Dowling wrote: > Yesterday we had our final seminar in our Server Seminar Series. It was > a long day, but successful, and several of our members were able to go > out with working LAMP servers. > > There were also several other lessons learned: > > 1. Linux runs best in native mode, rather than emulation. Our > experiences yesterday with Linux running under emulation were not happy. > They failed for different reasons, but they still failed. There are > obviously people running Linux under emulation very successfully, but it > appears to take a fair amount of experience to do it well. > > 2. Run servers from a server distribution of Linux. I did my > presentation with a desktop version, and it took a lot of twiddling. A > bunch of other people were also using desktop, and they had the same > twiddling issues. > > 3. Install Drupal from sources, not from a distribution system. > Installation from source went well, but one participant who installed > from his package system had a lot of trouble. > > 4. Command line skills are essential. Some members who were trying to do > system administration with a graphic interface to the filesystem had > trouble. That means we need to make more of an effort at promoting the > command line classes, since we've established that being uncomfortable > with the command line is a significant barrier to entry. > > 5. Installing LAMP software isn't trivial. If we run this seminar in the > future, we need to establish a more straight-forward way to get a LAMP > server ready and install software. A lot of this goes back to lesson > 1. And honestly, there might be a case to be made from running this on > FreeBSD or OpenBSD, possibly by providing a machine or machines to use > in the class. BSD is definitely optimized to run as a server. > > Clay The end of the class, where we actually used a LAMP server to do something, seemed the most useful to me. Making the configuration tweaks to get Drupal to run is something I'd need an instruction page to do (if you weren't available ;) ), but downloading and installing modules, making them available, and generating and publishing content is something that could be done without frequent reference to notes. But to learn this process, we needed a web browser, which isn't included in server installs. In that sense, it was good that the participants mostly brought desktop machines. If the participants hadn't been able to use their graphical tools at all, we might not have gotten as good a turnout, and the presentation wouldn't have had such a satisfying finish. Lani From c.e.tower at gmail.com Sun Jul 26 18:53:52 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:53:52 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Picnic II: Grilled Chicken In-Reply-To: <4A6C6768.7060804@lazarusid.com> References: <20090724135454.81437du88992bre6@mail.lazarusid.com> <4A6BBDDE.4000802@cyber-nos.com> <4A6C6768.7060804@lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <4A6CDE80.8000605@gmail.com> David said he thinks he can get "the compound" for us. Can you verify that we can use your place and that you have it reserved for the cookout, David? Will you be able to get the chickens if Jeff is gone, Clay? Chick Clay Dowling wrote: > Stanley C. Mortel wrote: >> I vote for Jeff's place. What a wonderful spot that was last year. Of >> course, I haven't mentioned this to Jeff yet, but that's what he gets >> for not reading his email often enough..... ;-) >> >> Jeff, are you willing??? >> >> If not, I'd be willing to host it. We have a nice back yard and >> screened in porch, but no massive courtyard. >> > Jeff is leaving town very early on that morning. David lives on the same > property though, and I believe has volunteered to host it for this event. > > If that falls through though, I like Stan's place as a fallback. > > Clay From clay at lazarusid.com Sun Jul 26 22:15:04 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 22:15:04 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Picnic II: Grilled Chicken In-Reply-To: <4A6CDE80.8000605@gmail.com> References: <20090724135454.81437du88992bre6@mail.lazarusid.com> <4A6BBDDE.4000802@cyber-nos.com> <4A6C6768.7060804@lazarusid.com> <4A6CDE80.8000605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A6D0DA8.7020901@lazarusid.com> Chick Tower wrote: > Will you be able to get the chickens if Jeff is gone, Clay? I may pick up the birds when I'm going through town on Thursday. I'll discuss it with Jeff. Just cooked one tonight, and it wants to be brined overnight. It was one of the best birds I've ever eaten. Clay From mortel at cyber-nos.com Sun Jul 26 23:17:33 2009 From: mortel at cyber-nos.com (Stanley C. Mortel) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 23:17:33 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Picnic II: Grilled Chicken In-Reply-To: <4A6CDE80.8000605@gmail.com> References: <20090724135454.81437du88992bre6@mail.lazarusid.com> <4A6BBDDE.4000802@cyber-nos.com> <4A6C6768.7060804@lazarusid.com> <4A6CDE80.8000605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A6D1C4D.4060605@cyber-nos.com> What date has been selected? Stan Chick Tower wrote: > David said he thinks he can get "the compound" for us. Can you verify > that we can use your place and that you have it reserved for the > cookout, David? > > Will you be able to get the chickens if Jeff is gone, Clay? > > Chick > > > Clay Dowling wrote: > >> Stanley C. Mortel wrote: >> >>> I vote for Jeff's place. What a wonderful spot that was last year. Of >>> course, I haven't mentioned this to Jeff yet, but that's what he gets >>> for not reading his email often enough..... ;-) >>> >>> Jeff, are you willing??? >>> >>> If not, I'd be willing to host it. We have a nice back yard and >>> screened in porch, but no massive courtyard. >>> >>> >> Jeff is leaving town very early on that morning. David lives on the same >> property though, and I believe has volunteered to host it for this event. >> >> If that falls through though, I like Stan's place as a fallback. >> >> Clay >> > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Can you verify >> that we can use your place and that you have it reserved for the >> cookout, David? >> >> Will you be able to get the chickens if Jeff is gone, Clay? >> >> Chick >> >> >> Clay Dowling wrote: >> >>> Stanley C. Mortel wrote: >>> >>>> I vote for Jeff's place. What a wonderful spot that was last year. Of >>>> course, I haven't mentioned this to Jeff yet, but that's what he gets >>>> for not reading his email often enough..... ;-) >>>> >>>> Jeff, are you willing??? >>>> >>>> If not, I'd be willing to host it. We have a nice back yard and >>>> screened in porch, but no massive courtyard. >>>> >>>> >>> Jeff is leaving town very early on that morning. David lives on the same >>> property though, and I believe has volunteered to host it for this event. >>> >>> If that falls through though, I like Stan's place as a fallback. >>> >>> Clay >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> >> From jordan.robison at gmail.com Sun Jul 26 23:37:22 2009 From: jordan.robison at gmail.com (Jordan Robison) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 23:37:22 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Good openssh practices Message-ID: Hey everyone I came across this article and thought it was good enough to share: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-unix-bsd-openssh-server-best-practices.html -- Jordan Robison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090726/f6aebba3/attachment-0001.html From emilio.esposito at gmail.com Mon Jul 27 11:08:10 2009 From: emilio.esposito at gmail.com (Emilio Xavier Esposito) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 11:08:10 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] configuring httpd.conf for https access Message-ID: Hi I have setup a wiki and would like to insure that the passwords and data sent between the client browser and the webserver are encrypted. The username and password access for the website works but I have not been able to figure out the secure connection. Using the httpd.conf (relevant portion below) the apache 2.0 webserver does not start and no errors are currently returned to the log. I am using MAMP (www.mamp.info) on Mac OS X 10.5.7. I have created the server.crt and server.key files using the following commands and placed them in the /Library/WebServer/Documents/wiki/ssl.crts directory. $ openssl genrsa -des3 -out server.key 1024 $ openssl req -new -x509 -nodes -sha1 -days 730 -key server.key -out server.crt I would be very appreciative if someone could please point me in the right direction with respect to what I need to change in my httpd.conf (below) or if I have missed a step. Once I have everything working I plan on changing the allow/deny order and specifying specific IP address ranges. Thank you for your time and help Emilio from the httpd.conf file: SSLCACertificateFile ssl.crts/server.crt SSLCACertificateKeyFile ssl.crts/server.key # # This should be changed to whatever you set DocumentRoot to. # # # Possible values for the Options directive are "None", "All", # or any combination of: # Indexes Includes FollowSymLinks SymLinksifOwnerMatch ExecCGI MultiViews # Options All # # make this a real SSLv2-only server # SSLProtocol all SSLCipherSuite SSLv2:HIGH:+MEDIUM:+LOW:+EXP # If HTTPS is used, make sure a strong cipher is used. # Additionally allow client certs as alternative to basic auth. SSLVerifyClient optional SSLVerifyDepth 1 SSLOptions +FakeBasicAuth +StrictRequire SSLRequire %{SSL_CIPHER_USEKEYSIZE} >= 128 # Force clients from the Internet to use HTTPS RewriteEngine on RewriteCond %{REMOTE_ADDR} !^192\.168\.1\.[0-9][0-9][0-9]+$ RewriteCond %{HTTPS} !=on RewriteRule .* - [F] # Allow Network Access and/or Basic Auth Satisfy any # Network Access Control Order allow,deny Allow from all # # now the users info # AuthType Basic AuthName theWiki AuthUserFile "/Users/steve/.htpasswd" Require user steve mary jason jane manny moe jack From clay at lazarusid.com Mon Jul 27 11:39:51 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 11:39:51 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] configuring httpd.conf for https access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090727113951.10427gsa8acbhwlj@mail.lazarusid.com> Quoting Emilio Xavier Esposito : > I have setup a wiki and would like to insure that the passwords and > data sent between the client browser and the webserver are encrypted. > The username and password access for the website works but I have not > been able to figure out the secure connection. Using the httpd.conf > (relevant portion below) the apache 2.0 webserver does not start and > no errors are currently returned to the log. I am using MAMP > (www.mamp.info) on Mac OS X 10.5.7. The following URL should guide you through the process: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/ssl/ Clay -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From c.e.tower at gmail.com Mon Jul 27 22:08:46 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:08:46 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Picnic II: Grilled Chicken In-Reply-To: <4A6DA1B1.2060103@cyber-nos.com> References: <20090724135454.81437du88992bre6@mail.lazarusid.com> <4A6BBDDE.4000802@cyber-nos.com> <4A6C6768.7060804@lazarusid.com> <4A6CDE80.8000605@gmail.com> <4A6D1C4D.4060605@cyber-nos.com> <4A6D2047.6060407@gmail.com> <4A6DA1B1.2060103@cyber-nos.com> Message-ID: <4A6E5DAE.1090203@gmail.com> Well, if you guys want to wait until September to do our grilling, we can. We originally said we'd do it in August, though, so we would have time to plan it, and see how well that worked out. But we had better decide something soon. Chick Stanley C. Mortel wrote: > Rats! Hope David can work things out because I will not be able to host > this Saturday, or attend. > > Stan > > Chick Tower wrote: >> This Saturday, the 1st, seems to be the consensus, instead of going to >> Gone Wired. I'll let you guys hammer out the time and duration. >> >> Chick >> >> >> Stanley C. Mortel wrote: >> >>> What date has been selected? >>> >>> Stan From c.e.tower at gmail.com Mon Jul 27 22:55:33 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:55:33 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Meeting Presentations Message-ID: <4A6E68A5.90303@gmail.com> As those of you who come to meetings know, we don't have many presentations any more. Something some of us have discussed are what has been referred to in other places as lightning talks. They're short presentations, with several per meeting, so that nobody has to prepare a lengthy one. We could have a theme for each meeting, with short talks from people about the theme, such as favorite applications of a particular genre (e-mail clients, file managers, whatever might be informative)(not emacs vs. vi types of talks), favorite search engines, favorite PC-related shopping sites, general or special-use distributions, or anything anyone cares to suggest. Whatever people are interested in. We could also have some themeless talks, too, just a hodge-podge of topics. What does everyone think about this? Would you be more likely to contribute a short presentation than a long one? Should we select a particular meeting or two each month, such as the first or second Thursday? I'm just asking questions, and hoping for responses. -- Chick From clay at lazarusid.com Mon Jul 27 23:26:03 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:26:03 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Picnic II: Grilled Chicken In-Reply-To: <4A6E5DAE.1090203@gmail.com> References: <20090724135454.81437du88992bre6@mail.lazarusid.com> <4A6BBDDE.4000802@cyber-nos.com> <4A6C6768.7060804@lazarusid.com> <4A6CDE80.8000605@gmail.com> <4A6D1C4D.4060605@cyber-nos.com> <4A6D2047.6060407@gmail.com> <4A6DA1B1.2060103@cyber-nos.com> <4A6E5DAE.1090203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A6E6FCB.60507@lazarusid.com> Chick Tower wrote: > Well, if you guys want to wait until September to do our grilling, we > can. We originally said we'd do it in August, though, so we would have > time to plan it, and see how well that worked out. But we had better > decide something soon. > Let's call it for August 1st. Now, everybody on this list, let me know if you can be there. We have two birds to grill. My experience last night is that a bird can probably feed six to eight people and fully sate their desire for chicken. Also, the chicken is awesome. So unless you have family obligations that can't be broken, you want to come and eat these chickens. If anybody wants to eat something besides chicken, please bring it along. I think there will be a spare grill that you're welcome to cook your food on. Charles and I are bringing grills especially for the chicken, so there should be space on the grill that is already there for cooking non-chicken items. On the chicken grills the chicken tends to hog all the space, so don't go looking for room there. How this chicken will be cooked: there will be a small charcoal fire at one edge of the kettle grill. There will be a chicken in the center of the grill, with a can of cheap domestic lager shoved in a very uncomfortable place (not the fack seat of a Volkswagen), and standing on end. Near that, there will be grillers and spectators, with cheap domestic lager poured gradually into the other end. After each can of cheap domestic lager is consumed, the grillers will rotate the birds (roughly every half hour). After three beers per griller the birds should be ready to eat. It is important to use only cheap domestic lagers in cans for the timing--stronger beers will result in burned chicken and possibly the world turning sideways. Substituting glass is not recommended either, because it's hard to balance a chicken on a long neck. Given that timing, I think the grillers should arrive around 11am to start preparing the fire and to begin the timing process (a practice round in suggested). Additional people to assist with the timing are definitely welcome. Others should probably start showing up around 1pm, with birds servers somewhere between 2pm and 3pm. We also need to have the birds thawed the night before. David or Jeff, I can make arrangements with you guys to either pick up the birds on Thursday and take care of the prep myself, or walk you guys through what needs to be done. The birds are best if brined the night before or early on the morning of. It seems to have a similar effect to the salt-coat that Eduardo uses for the beef, and makes a very juicy, tender bird. Clay From mortel at cyber-nos.com Tue Jul 28 10:35:35 2009 From: mortel at cyber-nos.com (Stanley C. Mortel) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:35:35 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Meeting Presentations In-Reply-To: <4A6E68A5.90303@gmail.com> References: <4A6E68A5.90303@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A6F0CB7.8060104@cyber-nos.com> I think that setting up one meeting a month as presentation night would be great. It might motivate many of us to take a more active role. The meetings we have now are nice, but I know there is a lot more knowledge transfer that could be happening. Maybe the first meeting (or last) of the month could be a "what I discovered this month" round table. Stan Chick Tower wrote: > As those of you who come to meetings know, we don't have many > presentations any more. Something some of us have discussed are what > has been referred to in other places as lightning talks. They're short > presentations, with several per meeting, so that nobody has to prepare a > lengthy one. We could have a theme for each meeting, with short talks > from people about the theme, such as favorite applications of a > particular genre (e-mail clients, file managers, whatever might be > informative)(not emacs vs. vi types of talks), favorite search engines, > favorite PC-related shopping sites, general or special-use > distributions, or anything anyone cares to suggest. Whatever people are > interested in. We could also have some themeless talks, too, just a > hodge-podge of topics. > > What does everyone think about this? Would you be more likely to > contribute a short presentation than a long one? Should we select a > particular meeting or two each month, such as the first or second > Thursday? I'm just asking questions, and hoping for responses. > From mortel at cyber-nos.com Tue Jul 28 10:36:39 2009 From: mortel at cyber-nos.com (Stanley C. Mortel) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:36:39 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Picnic II: Grilled Chicken In-Reply-To: <4A6E6FCB.60507@lazarusid.com> References: <20090724135454.81437du88992bre6@mail.lazarusid.com> <4A6BBDDE.4000802@cyber-nos.com> <4A6C6768.7060804@lazarusid.com> <4A6CDE80.8000605@gmail.com> <4A6D1C4D.4060605@cyber-nos.com> <4A6D2047.6060407@gmail.com> <4A6DA1B1.2060103@cyber-nos.com> <4A6E5DAE.1090203@gmail.com> <4A6E6FCB.60507@lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <4A6F0CF7.2000806@cyber-nos.com> Sadly, I'll miss it on the 1st. Stan Clay Dowling wrote: > Chick Tower wrote: > >> Well, if you guys want to wait until September to do our grilling, we >> can. We originally said we'd do it in August, though, so we would have >> time to plan it, and see how well that worked out. But we had better >> decide something soon. >> >> > Let's call it for August 1st. > > Now, everybody on this list, let me know if you can be there. We have > two birds to grill. My experience last night is that a bird can > probably feed six to eight people and fully sate their desire for > chicken. Also, the chicken is awesome. So unless you have family > obligations that can't be broken, you want to come and eat these chickens. > > If anybody wants to eat something besides chicken, please bring it > along. I think there will be a spare grill that you're welcome to cook > your food on. Charles and I are bringing grills especially for the > chicken, so there should be space on the grill that is already there for > cooking non-chicken items. On the chicken grills the chicken tends to > hog all the space, so don't go looking for room there. > > How this chicken will be cooked: there will be a small charcoal fire at > one edge of the kettle grill. There will be a chicken in the center of > the grill, with a can of cheap domestic lager shoved in a very > uncomfortable place (not the fack seat of a Volkswagen), and standing on > end. Near that, there will be grillers and spectators, with cheap > domestic lager poured gradually into the other end. After each can of > cheap domestic lager is consumed, the grillers will rotate the birds > (roughly every half hour). After three beers per griller the birds > should be ready to eat. It is important to use only cheap domestic > lagers in cans for the timing--stronger beers will result in burned > chicken and possibly the world turning sideways. Substituting glass is > not recommended either, because it's hard to balance a chicken on a long > neck. > > Given that timing, I think the grillers should arrive around 11am to > start preparing the fire and to begin the timing process (a practice > round in suggested). Additional people to assist with the timing are > definitely welcome. Others should probably start showing up around 1pm, > with birds servers somewhere between 2pm and 3pm. > > We also need to have the birds thawed the night before. David or Jeff, > I can make arrangements with you guys to either pick up the birds on > Thursday and take care of the prep myself, or walk you guys through what > needs to be done. The birds are best if brined the night before or > early on the morning of. 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On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > Isn't this where Karl is an intern? > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/28/science/28comp.html?_r=1 > -- > > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Chick > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From clay at lazarusid.com Wed Jul 29 08:58:27 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 08:58:27 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] No cookout this weekend Message-ID: <20090729085827.427930n004x9mvsj@mail.lazarusid.com> After receiving a deafening silence of people confirming for a cookout this weekend, I'm agreeing with Chick: nobody is going to come, so there's no point in having it. Those who are so inclined will instead be meeting at Gone Wired. Although since is sounds like most people are out of town, anybody actually going to Gone Wired should probably bring a book or their laptop, because you might be all alone. -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From marshal at freedombi.com Wed Jul 29 13:12:26 2009 From: marshal at freedombi.com (Marshal Newrock) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:12:26 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] commodore equipment available Message-ID: <20090729131226.51248046@osiris> I have a bit of Commodore equipment that I want to get rid of. It includes: * 6 C64's, with 2 power supplies and 1 monitor * 1 C128, with power supply and monitor * 3 1541's and 1 1571 (I thought I had 4 and 2, maybe they're just buried somewhere) * Several boxes of software, books, and accessories. Let me know if you want it. -- Marshal Newrock 517-679-0699 x223 FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From clay at lazarusid.com Wed Jul 29 15:34:17 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:34:17 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Cookout in August Message-ID: <20090729153417.15492zahj0dd0px5@mail.lazarusid.com> Is anybody on this list going to be available to come to a cookout in August? We've already canceled for August 1, because nobody but Chick and I will be there. I would like to propose the following dates: August 15th August 22nd August 29th Respond and let us know which ones you can make. If nobody responds I'm cooking the chickens and gorging myself silly. Clay -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From charles at bityard.net Wed Jul 29 18:03:50 2009 From: charles at bityard.net (charles at bityard.net) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] No cookout this weekend In-Reply-To: <20090729085827.427930n004x9mvsj@mail.lazarusid.com> References: <20090729085827.427930n004x9mvsj@mail.lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <40871.72.52.190.38.1248905030.squirrel@host.bityard.net> On Wed, July 29, 2009 8:58 am, Clay Dowling wrote: > After receiving a deafening silence of people confirming for a cookout > this weekend, I'm agreeing with Chick: nobody is going to come, so > there's no point in having it. > > Those who are so inclined will instead be meeting at Gone Wired. > Although since is sounds like most people are out of town, anybody > actually going to Gone Wired should probably bring a book or their > laptop, because you might be all alone. I didn't confirm on this list, because I already confirmed in real life. :) That said, Late July/August really seems to be the worst time to plan anything on the weekend and August particularly has always been a very "dry" month for GLLUG participation because everyone's trying to squeeze in their last few weeks of summer proper. Once late fall comes along, we'll start seeing more people show interest in the group. And next year, any cookout should be scheduled in the spring or early summer. ;) Charles -- http://bityard.net From rick at divinesymphony.net Wed Jul 29 22:31:01 2009 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:31:01 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] August Picnic II In-Reply-To: <4A692CEE.4000905@gmail.com> References: <4A692CEE.4000905@gmail.com> Message-ID: At least for me, it's just a timing issue. For the most part, my weekends are booked solid through mid-September. I'd certainly be up for one a bit later, perhaps early fall? On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > Well, based on the low number of responses to my e-mail about a cook-out > in August (one, sent to me privately), it appears nobody wants to have > the event. > -- > > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Chick > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From rick at divinesymphony.net Wed Jul 29 22:39:33 2009 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:39:33 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] New GLLUG Site, first pass In-Reply-To: <20090724082537.11072g5wcjopasld@mail.lazarusid.com> References: <20090721152240.19353d23so59f5a8@mail.lazarusid.com> <80324a260907211309g2ab39ae8j72e02b51d1e8f599@mail.gmail.com> <20090721162520.13164l7pfnh3nlm8@mail.lazarusid.com> <4A6628C8.9060803@gmail.com> <4A67BAC2.4040607@msu.edu> <4A67BD3E.8080008@lazarusid.com> <4A690EC5.1080407@msu.edu> <20090724082537.11072g5wcjopasld@mail.lazarusid.com> Message-ID: I'm with the majority here. You need a web browser that supports at least some modern standards. I'd say Firefox 1.0 era or later support (lynx, konqueror, opera, etc. are all options). Your crash could be related to any number of problems, and it's just not worth the effort it would take to diagnose. On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Clay Dowling wrote: > Quoting Patrick : > >> However, ?I was able to find a version of Netscape 4.75 compiled with >> libc5 and it works perfectly. ?Any ideas what could be wrong? ?It's not >> the Netscape version because glibc builds of 4.75 and 4.8 both crash. ?I >> guess it's either a misconfiguration, a bug in Netscape, or a bug in glibc. > > Well, if I had to hazard a guess, I'd say it's because you're trying > to run a browser that will be old enough to take driver's ed in a year > or two. ?And one that was notorious for buffer overflow issues. ?As > the core libraries have gotten more secure, and been built under > different versions of g++ and glibc, the problems have shown themselves. > > The right solution is to upgrade to something released after G. W. > Bush took office. > > Clay > > -- > Online RPG Campaign Planning > http://www.rpg-campaign.com > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From rick at divinesymphony.net Wed Jul 29 22:46:46 2009 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:46:46 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] configuring httpd.conf for https access In-Reply-To: <20090727113951.10427gsa8acbhwlj@mail.lazarusid.com> References: <20090727113951.10427gsa8acbhwlj@mail.lazarusid.com> Message-ID: If you are still stuck, run a config check with apachectl, bump logging up to debug level, and post the results. On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Clay Dowling wrote: > Quoting Emilio Xavier Esposito : > >> I have setup a wiki and would like to insure that the passwords and >> data sent between the client browser and the webserver are encrypted. >> The username and password access for the website works but I have not >> been able to figure out the secure connection. ?Using the httpd.conf >> (relevant portion below) the apache 2.0 webserver does not start and >> no errors are currently returned to the log. ?I am using MAMP >> (www.mamp.info) on Mac OS X 10.5.7. > > The following URL should guide you through the process: > http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/ssl/ > > Clay > -- > Online RPG Campaign Planning > http://www.rpg-campaign.com > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From rick at divinesymphony.net Wed Jul 29 22:58:22 2009 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:58:22 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] commodore equipment available In-Reply-To: <20090729131226.51248046@osiris> References: <20090729131226.51248046@osiris> Message-ID: Marshal, If they aren't already claimed, I'll definitely go for a C64 (or two), a power brick, and pair of drives. I already have a C64 monitor sitting at my place right now. I wouldn't mind browsing through that accessories box, either. On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Marshal Newrock wrote: > I have a bit of Commodore equipment that I want to get rid of. ?It > includes: > > * 6 C64's, with 2 power supplies and 1 monitor > * 1 C128, with power supply and monitor > * 3 1541's and 1 1571 (I thought I had 4 and 2, maybe they're just > ?buried somewhere) > * Several boxes of software, books, and accessories. > > Let me know if you want it. > > -- > Marshal Newrock > 517-679-0699 x223 > FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > From lrmeredith at gmail.com Thu Jul 30 09:10:12 2009 From: lrmeredith at gmail.com (Lani Meredith) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 09:10:12 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] No cookout this weekend In-Reply-To: <4A70939D.5060305@gmail.com> References: <20090729085827.427930n004x9mvsj@mail.lazarusid.com> <4A70939D.5060305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200907300910.12259.lrmeredith@gmail.com> Better yet, if anyone is interested in a cookout, specify the date you'd be interested in having it. (I'm not interested.) Lani On Wednesday 29 July 2009 02:23:25 pm Chick Tower wrote: > Let's pick another date and start planning it this week, so we don't end > up bailing again. Or, if nobody is interested in a cook-out, let us > know that, too. > > Chick > > Clay Dowling wrote: > > After receiving a deafening silence of people confirming for a cookout > > this weekend, I'm agreeing with Chick: nobody is going to come, so > > there's no point in having it. From marshal at freedombi.com Thu Jul 30 16:07:19 2009 From: marshal at freedombi.com (Marshal Newrock) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:07:19 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] commodore equipment available In-Reply-To: References: <20090729131226.51248046@osiris> Message-ID: <20090730160719.48b7d0e3@osiris> I'm hoping to get rid of the entire batch. If I get rid of it piece by piece, then I'll end up with a bunch of items which are a bit less useful - eg, a c64 with no power brick. Marshal On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:58:22 -0400 Richard Houser wrote: > Marshal, > > If they aren't already claimed, I'll definitely go for a C64 (or two), > a power brick, and pair of drives. I already have a C64 monitor > sitting at my place right now. I wouldn't mind browsing through that > accessories box, either. > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Marshal > Newrock wrote: > > I have a bit of Commodore equipment that I want to get rid of. ?It > > includes: > > > > * 6 C64's, with 2 power supplies and 1 monitor > > * 1 C128, with power supply and monitor > > * 3 1541's and 1 1571 (I thought I had 4 and 2, maybe they're just > > ?buried somewhere) > > * Several boxes of software, books, and accessories. > > > > Let me know if you want it. > > > > -- > > Marshal Newrock > > 517-679-0699 x223 > > FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > linux-user mailing list > > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > > > -- Marshal Newrock 517-679-0699 x223 FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From c.e.tower at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 12:54:21 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 12:54:21 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Next Saturday Meeting Message-ID: <4A7321BD.6080709@gmail.com> Since tomorrow is the first Saturday of August, and the cook-out has been postponed or cancelled, we'll try to have another meeting at Gone Wired on August 1st at 1:00 p.m. You can find out about Gone Wired, including their menu, at http://gonewiredcafe.net/. Is there anyone other than me who plans to be there? -- Chick From crazytales at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 22:24:09 2009 From: crazytales at gmail.com (Chris Chan) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 22:24:09 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] commodore equipment available In-Reply-To: <4A726461.3070104@gmail.com> References: <20090729131226.51248046@osiris> <20090730160719.48b7d0e3@osiris> <4A726461.3070104@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4467498d0907311924h341c46e0j8d12e8d5d3745bdf@mail.gmail.com> lol Chick... I have a friend in PA or WA who might beinterested to claim the whole lot. I think he'll pay for shipping if needed.--Chris On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > Is a power brick really necessary for a door stop, Marshal? > > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Chick > > > Marshal Newrock wrote: >> I'm hoping to get rid of the entire batch. ?If I get rid of it piece by >> piece, then I'll end up with a bunch of items which are a bit less >> useful - eg, a c64 with no power brick. > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >