From mortel at cyber-nos.com Sun Mar 1 01:19:50 2009 From: mortel at cyber-nos.com (Stanley C. Mortel) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 01:19:50 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Career guidance request Message-ID: <49AA2906.7040101@cyber-nos.com> Hey group! A friend of mine is coming to see me tomorrow thinking about a career change into the IT field somewhere. His background is quite limited at the moment, but he is trying to find a direction. He is coming from a financial background - financial planning side of things. Any thoughts on what's hot right now (i.e., needed, as in he might get hired once he develops the skills)? My inclination is to talk to him about web design and database administration. Any helpful insight would be vastly appreciated. Stan From david at ramaboo.com Sun Mar 1 11:14:42 2009 From: david at ramaboo.com (David Singer) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:14:42 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Career guidance request In-Reply-To: <49AA2906.7040101@cyber-nos.com> References: <49AA2906.7040101@cyber-nos.com> Message-ID: <80324a260903010814y7a395ab3raf29471387495d2c@mail.gmail.com> Web design is a great choice... but I am a bit biased on that I guess since its what I do. Within web design I think the most sought after skills currently are: Valid xhtml/css markup (obviously) jQuery (and to a lesser extend prototype, MooTools, Ext Js, Cappuccino, Sprout Core, etc). PHP 5.2/5.3/6 PHP Frameworks CakePHP (and to a lesser extent Codeignitor) Python, specifically Django Ruby on Rails There are some Java jobs in web development but from my experiance looking if someone wants a Java person they want a hardcore Java (3-5 years) person. I almost never see entry level Java jobs where as PHP and Django have them all the time. David On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 1:19 AM, Stanley C. Mortel wrote: > Hey group! ?A friend of mine is coming to see me tomorrow thinking about > a career change into the IT field somewhere. ?His background is quite > limited at the moment, but he is trying to find a direction. ?He is > coming from a financial background - financial planning side of things. > Any thoughts on what's hot right now (i.e., needed, as in he might get > hired once he develops the skills)? ?My inclination is to talk to him > about web design and database administration. ?Any helpful insight would > be vastly appreciated. > > Stan > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From clay at lazarusid.com Sun Mar 1 11:46:09 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 11:46:09 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Career guidance request In-Reply-To: <49AA2906.7040101@cyber-nos.com> References: <49AA2906.7040101@cyber-nos.com> Message-ID: <49AABBD1.7070602@lazarusid.com> Stanley C. Mortel wrote: > Hey group! A friend of mine is coming to see me tomorrow thinking about > a career change into the IT field somewhere. His background is quite > limited at the moment, but he is trying to find a direction. He is > coming from a financial background - financial planning side of things. > Any thoughts on what's hot right now (i.e., needed, as in he might get > hired once he develops the skills)? My inclination is to talk to him > about web design and database administration. Any helpful insight would > be vastly appreciated. > The cynical part of me suggests bankruptcy law. That's only partially cynical though, I've flirted with the idea of law school for years. Not because of the money, but because it takes a lot of the same skills used in programming and applies them to human endeavors. Also, it's a great justification to wear expensive suits. Clay From picasso at madflower.com Sun Mar 1 15:28:33 2009 From: picasso at madflower.com (Sean O'Malley) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:28:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Career guidance request In-Reply-To: <49AA2906.7040101@cyber-nos.com> Message-ID: Sales, help desk, or disaster recovery planning, seem decent fits. He could probably get the hang of databases but I have a feeling he likes working with people so like database planning/migration is more appropriate. I don't think he is going to be able to jump in to any position that requires hard skills like programming at the snap of a finger. There are too many gotcha's. There are a few degrees that he could get to help jumpstart his career path. They mix business and IT which would be right down his alley. I think they are two-year degrees or 4 year but through a college of business. On Sun, 1 Mar 2009, Stanley C. Mortel wrote: > Hey group! A friend of mine is coming to see me tomorrow thinking about > a career change into the IT field somewhere. His background is quite > limited at the moment, but he is trying to find a direction. He is > coming from a financial background - financial planning side of things. > Any thoughts on what's hot right now (i.e., needed, as in he might get > hired once he develops the skills)? My inclination is to talk to him > about web design and database administration. Any helpful insight would > be vastly appreciated. > > Stan > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From picasso at madflower.com Sun Mar 1 19:23:43 2009 From: picasso at madflower.com (Sean O'Malley) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:23:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] OT: LED grow light In-Reply-To: <984d708a0902281642p7e18af1aqb46590197e981b07@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: This is the one I saw from instructables that caught my eye. http://www.instructables.com/id/high-power-LED-grow-lights-M.k2/ Since it sort of combines hydroponics with led grow lights and the guy is dirt cheap in his designs. I saw a few kits online but most of the small ones were sold out and they are quite pricey. I can't pay 100 bucks for grow lights I will use maybe 2-3 months while germinating outdoor plants. (my outdoor plant budget is 50 bucks a year.) I think I saw something where they had a backlog of orders for the leds. I don't know how true that is or whether there is something else affecting the market. The part that got me interested in LEDs was to replace the CF bulbs in my house as the flicker irritates my eyes. (Slow refresh rates on crt monitors does too.) They are more environmentally friendly as they don't contain mercury like the CF bulbs do. However I havent seen them for much less then 100 bucks a bulb. On Sat, 28 Feb 2009, Karl Schuttler wrote: > Just caught this on Hackaday; thought it might extend our conversation > from Thursday. > > http://www.instructables.com/id/Make_an_automatic_plant_light/ > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From charles at bityard.net Sun Mar 1 20:36:11 2009 From: charles at bityard.net (charles at bityard.net) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:36:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] OT: LED grow light In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52504.72.52.190.37.1235957771.squirrel@host.bityard.net> On Sun, March 1, 2009 7:23 pm, Sean O'Malley wrote: > This is the one I saw from instructables that caught my eye. > http://www.instructables.com/id/high-power-LED-grow-lights-M.k2/ > > Since it sort of combines hydroponics with led grow lights and the guy is > dirt cheap in his designs. I saw a few kits online but most of the > small ones were sold out and they are quite pricey. I can't pay 100 bucks > for grow lights I will use maybe 2-3 months while germinating outdoor > plants. (my outdoor plant budget is 50 bucks a year.) You'll want to pay close attention to the datasheets when you buy the LEDs. A commenter noted in step 1 that you have to plan very carefully when using LEDs are grow lights. The bandwidth of LEDs is so narrow that it's difficult to adequately cover the wavelengths of light that plants absorb with only 2-3 types of LEDs. Although, it should be said that I know nothing of growing plants so maybe his design is "good enough." :) > I think I saw something where they had a backlog of orders for the leds. I > don't know how true that is or whether there is something else affecting > the market. I haven't heard of a shortage of high-power LEDs. It looks like you can get them on eBay for between $5-$10 each (including shipping). > The part that got me interested in LEDs was to replace the CF bulbs in my > house as the flicker irritates my eyes. (Slow refresh rates on crt > monitors does too.) They are more environmentally friendly as they don't > contain mercury like the CF bulbs do. However I havent seen them for much > less then 100 bucks a bulb. Yeah, LEDs aren't really up to replacing general-purpose lighting just yet. I've been toying with the idea of buying some white LEDs in bulk to make under-cabinet lighting for the kitchen but I don't know that I'll ever have the time. (Also, my kitchen is too ugly right now to warrant additional illumination.) Charles -- http://bityard.net From charles at bityard.net Sun Mar 1 20:59:29 2009 From: charles at bityard.net (charles at bityard.net) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:59:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Career guidance request In-Reply-To: <49AABBD1.7070602@lazarusid.com> References: <49AA2906.7040101@cyber-nos.com> <49AABBD1.7070602@lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <42579.72.52.190.38.1235959169.squirrel@host.bityard.net> On Sun, March 1, 2009 11:46 am, Clay Dowling wrote: > Stanley C. Mortel wrote: >> Hey group! A friend of mine is coming to see me tomorrow thinking about >> a career change into the IT field somewhere. His background is quite >> limited at the moment, but he is trying to find a direction. He is >> coming from a financial background - financial planning side of things. >> Any thoughts on what's hot right now (i.e., needed, as in he might get >> hired once he develops the skills)? My inclination is to talk to him >> about web design and database administration. Any helpful insight would >> be vastly appreciated. >> > The cynical part of me suggests bankruptcy law. That's only partially > cynical though, I've flirted with the idea of law school for years. Not > because of the money, but because it takes a lot of the same skills used > in programming and applies them to human endeavors. Also, it's a great > justification to wear expensive suits. I think most of us on this list actively look for ways to stay out of expensive suits if at all possible. :) One thing I wanted to mention to Stan is that his friend should probably try to consider something in I.T. that allows him to leverage what he already knows of the financial sector. Maybe information security or database administration. Programming is fine to look into, but the learning curve is so steep that it's something that you have to have a knack for or you'll get overwhelmed at the start. Web design isn't really IT per se, although if the guy has an artistic bent, it could be a good path. Anyway, I maintain that a solid understanding of basic Unix and networking principles will start any I.T. newbie off on the right foot. (Or at least, they'll find out whether it's their cup of tea or not.) Charles -- http://bityard.net From picasso at madflower.com Sun Mar 1 21:17:21 2009 From: picasso at madflower.com (Sean O'Malley) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:17:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] linux-user Digest, Vol 70, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009, Joel Mayer wrote: > Gentlemen- > > It makes no difference to me whether or not there is a Linux version > of . I am trying to find someone who will teach me > how to use it, someone I can pay off in value meals. Thanks / Joel > Mayer Oh I got it *doh*, you meant a value meal as a supersized big Mac with all the fixin's. I can imagine someone in our group could use some fully loaded 3.2ghz dual quad core Macintoshes. Hrm maybe we should each take a chapter, and give a presentation before our meetings then we could all have one? If we do 2 chapers, can we opt for a fully loaded sunfire x4540? (i'm out of disk and processor for my db application.) 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From rick at divinesymphony.net Mon Mar 2 00:30:36 2009 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 00:30:36 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Career guidance request In-Reply-To: <42579.72.52.190.38.1235959169.squirrel@host.bityard.net> References: <49AA2906.7040101@cyber-nos.com> <49AABBD1.7070602@lazarusid.com> <42579.72.52.190.38.1235959169.squirrel@host.bityard.net> Message-ID: > > I think most of us on this list actively look for ways to stay out of > expensive suits if at all possible. :) > Some of us do much better than others in that respect. If you attend the meetings regularly, you'll get it... One thing I wanted to mention to Stan is that his friend should probably > try to consider something in I.T. that allows him to leverage what he > already knows of the financial sector. Maybe information security or > database administration. > Depending on which specific areas an individual worked with, insurance, accounting, or other such fields might be a decent fit. All such industries are getting increasingly computerized, and there is always some crossover both from and to the IT fields. In my experience, people that work well in security positions have a different way of looking at the world. I wouldn't expect those same traits to be all that prevalent in the financial sector, particularly because the financial sector is known for insufficient security measures. Anyway, I maintain that a solid understanding of basic Unix and networking > principles will start any I.T. newbie off on the right foot. (Or at least, > they'll find out whether it's their cup of tea or not.) While I certainly agree with the background and the value of the skills themselves, many others do not. Unfortunately, those hiring are often among the least well informed in such matters. Depending on where one interviews, mentioning those can even be a reason for not getting a job. Of course, that brings up the obvious question of whether or not such a company is worth working for. In either case, it's going to come down to a personal decision of pursuing self-education for it's own value vs. the buzzwords targeted for those doing the hiring. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090302/ea5ba265/attachment-0001.html From c.e.tower at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 12:30:09 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:30:09 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] CDs at Penguicon In-Reply-To: <80324a260903010814y7a395ab3raf29471387495d2c@mail.gmail.com> References: <49AA2906.7040101@cyber-nos.com> <80324a260903010814y7a395ab3raf29471387495d2c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AC17A1.20002@gmail.com> Judging from a message from the chairman of the Penguicon organizing committee, he expects us to have Linux CDs to hand out in the computer lounge. Was anyone planning on this? Also, he expects a bearded man in a hat to be offering them to visitors. I guess Marshal, Peter, and Jeff need to work out a schedule for continuous coverage of this duty. Chick From clay at lazarusid.com Mon Mar 2 20:44:51 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 20:44:51 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] CDs at Penguicon In-Reply-To: <49AC17A1.20002@gmail.com> References: <49AA2906.7040101@cyber-nos.com> <80324a260903010814y7a395ab3raf29471387495d2c@mail.gmail.com> <49AC17A1.20002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AC8B93.6080401@lazarusid.com> Chick Tower wrote: > Judging from a message from the chairman of the Penguicon organizing > committee, he expects us to have Linux CDs to hand out in the computer > lounge. Was anyone planning on this? Also, he expects a bearded man in > a hat to be offering them to visitors. I guess Marshal, Peter, and Jeff > need to work out a schedule for continuous coverage of this duty. > Frankly I was hoping for a curvy doctorate in Physics or Astronomy to be handing them out. Sadly for both the chairman and for me, there's no reason to assume that any of those things will happen. There is, however, reason to assume that a very bald and slightly overweight programmer will have set up a kiosk which will perform an identical function. If he's insistent that they be distributed by a stereotype, I could lounge around the kiosk in biker's leathers, but I don't really think anybody wants to see that. Clay From c.e.tower at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 22:18:19 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 22:18:19 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] CDs at Penguicon In-Reply-To: <49AC8B93.6080401@lazarusid.com> References: <49AA2906.7040101@cyber-nos.com> <80324a260903010814y7a395ab3raf29471387495d2c@mail.gmail.com> <49AC17A1.20002@gmail.com> <49AC8B93.6080401@lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <49ACA17B.2070005@gmail.com> Especially if you're talking about chaps. Chick Clay Dowling wrote: > If he's insistent that they be distributed by a stereotype, I could > lounge around the kiosk in biker's leathers, but I don't really think > anybody wants to see that. From c.e.tower at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 13:42:34 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 13:42:34 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] ConCom Meeting, March 7th In-Reply-To: <984d708a0902281642p7e18af1aqb46590197e981b07@mail.gmail.com> References: <984d708a0902281642p7e18af1aqb46590197e981b07@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B01D1A.5060100@gmail.com> Does anyone want to share a ride to Saturday's meeting in the hotel where Penguicon will be held this year? Since I don't want to leave my dog alone for too long, I plan to leave Lansing around noon to get there around 1:30 (missing half the social time), stay for the meeting, and then leave. Let me know if you want to go. I'll drive. If you want to go with me and come back with someone else so you can stay longer, that's fine with me. Chick From psmith.gllug at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 18:40:55 2009 From: psmith.gllug at gmail.com (Peter Smith) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 18:40:55 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] ConCom Meeting, March 7th In-Reply-To: <49B01D1A.5060100@gmail.com> References: <984d708a0902281642p7e18af1aqb46590197e981b07@mail.gmail.com> <49B01D1A.5060100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <12df8d4f0903051540w14178340g24dee1f5c17b0422@mail.gmail.com> I'll be heading to Windsor on Friday night, and heading to meeting from there; gotta be in Windsor on Friday night AND Saturday night, sooooo.... otherwise I'd be all for it. Still at work at this point, guess that's another meeting in Lansing I'll miss. But, since we have a post with this title: Good News: PCon 6.0 made a profit. The list of 11 people that I sent off twice in April and May to the treasurer are all eligible for refunds. Bad News: Nobody's gotten them yet because, well, apparently, they don't KNOW how much everyone PAID. Yeah, yeah, I asked, how can THAT be, and just got a shrug or two. Sigh So, I need to know from everyone (list below) how much you paid. If you can find it by Saturday morning, great, email me. If you can figure out WHEN you paid, do that. If anyone can confirm for me that nobody on this list was under 18 last year, that'd be good too. BCC'd to everyone except Lee, who I don't have a ready emaiil for Rates last year. 18 or older 13 - 17 05/01/06 - 9/01/06 $30 $15 09/02/06 - 03/31/07 $35 $20 04/01/07 - At The Door $45 $30 If I don't hear from people by Saturday morning, I'll assume that you prereg'd after 9/2/06. List: Andrew Ball, "Cesconetto, Eduardo", "Clay Dowling" , "Richard Houser" , "Lawton, Jeff" , Ariel Lonchar, "Stanley C. Mortel", Chick Tower, "Charles Ulrich" "Karl Schuttler", Lee Putnam I'll also be trying to get access to the registration list, but I think that's a lot more solid. I made sure Aaron got those at the con last year, and he's on course for getting good things done this year. This is the first year, of the 7 they've done it, that they've had any sort of really solid paperwork continuity At All, so, it's getting better. I'll grab some footage of the atrium on the walkthru on Saturday, and get some updating on our website done as well. I also plan on getting some good guidance on how to handle reimbursements this year, because, well, there's ConCom (who never get reimbursed for admissions), there's Staff (who are responsible people who pay a discount, but again, get no reimbursements) and there are Volunteers (who are the grunts who get money back at the end of the con if things are run properly). At least 3 or 4 people in this 'crew' should be 'staff'. If your name is in the program book, you should really be 'staff' and getting zero cash back...so, we'll get this straightened out before the con this year. Since of course, you get no refunds if you used wuffies to buy your con ticket for THIS year, I'll try my best to make staff out of those people. :) Off to my hour drive, and a grocery stop...if I see lansing by 9pm, it's a good night. Sigh. -- Peter Smith psmith.gllug at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090305/8bee569f/attachment.html From c.e.tower at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 23:13:43 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 23:13:43 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Computer Lounge Extra Events In-Reply-To: <49AC8B93.6080401@lazarusid.com> References: <49AA2906.7040101@cyber-nos.com> <80324a260903010814y7a395ab3raf29471387495d2c@mail.gmail.com> <49AC17A1.20002@gmail.com> <49AC8B93.6080401@lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <49B0A2F7.7030501@gmail.com> If you think we should have a Linux install-fest on Saturday, somebody needs to step up and plan it. It would need volunteers to assist in new Linux installations Some promotion, such as in the Penguicon program, would be needed, too. If someone wants to sell pins in the Computer Lounge, that someone needs to order (and maybe even design) them. David Singer can give you advice on how to find businesses on the internet that will print any design you can provide them, or you can order some from someplace like Cafe Press (as I did two years ago). There are several of us already tied up with events, so new people will need to step forward and carry these out if they're to be. I'm organizing the Brazilian beef cook-out, Clay is busy with the GLLUG room parties, Rick has certification events to manage, and Jeff will be gone most, if not all, of Penguicon. Marshal, Charles, and Stan all have duties to perform that might prevent them from taking on any more responsibility. The install-fest really won't require much time to set up, and the pins will require even less. Chick From rick at divinesymphony.net Thu Mar 5 23:53:05 2009 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 23:53:05 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Computer Lounge Extra Events In-Reply-To: <49B0A2F7.7030501@gmail.com> References: <49AA2906.7040101@cyber-nos.com> <80324a260903010814y7a395ab3raf29471387495d2c@mail.gmail.com> <49AC17A1.20002@gmail.com> <49AC8B93.6080401@lazarusid.com> <49B0A2F7.7030501@gmail.com> Message-ID: Group: Even though some of us will be tied up with other events, that doesn't necessarily preclude us from helping out during the installfest itself. Those of us that have been there before know exactly what the event takes from a technical perspective. Basically, make sure we have a couple copies of all the recent distros, that the event is announced/publicized/scheduled for Saturday, and the techs will take care of the event itself. Everyone will definitely pitch in with what did/didn't work previously if you keep the plan transparent. Personal: Provided this occurs in the lounge, it's not going to conflict with either of the larger key-signing sessions (same room), so I plan to be serving as a tech for at least part of the event (which part depends on the exact scheduling as the keysigning requires both preparation and reconciliation). On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > If you think we should have a Linux install-fest on Saturday, somebody > needs to step up and plan it. It would need volunteers to assist in new > Linux installations Some promotion, such as in the Penguicon program, > would be needed, too. > > If someone wants to sell pins in the Computer Lounge, that someone needs > to order (and maybe even design) them. David Singer can give you advice > on how to find businesses on the internet that will print any design you > can provide them, or you can order some from someplace like Cafe Press > (as I did two years ago). > > There are several of us already tied up with events, so new people will > need to step forward and carry these out if they're to be. I'm > organizing the Brazilian beef cook-out, Clay is busy with the GLLUG room > parties, Rick has certification events to manage, and Jeff will be gone > most, if not all, of Penguicon. Marshal, Charles, and Stan all have > duties to perform that might prevent them from taking on any more > responsibility. The install-fest really won't require much time to set > up, and the pins will require even less. > > Chick > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We'd just need badges or something to identify the volunteers. Or maybe just rely on the idea that anyone wandering around the tables is probably a volunteer, or at least knows something. Given that the next version of Ubuntu will be released before the con, I'd say an installfest is fairly important. -- Marshal Newrock 517-679-0699 x223 FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From picasso at madflower.com Mon Mar 9 10:00:37 2009 From: picasso at madflower.com (Sean O'Malley) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] OT: LED grow light In-Reply-To: <52504.72.52.190.37.1235957771.squirrel@host.bityard.net> Message-ID: I am sure this has been thought of before, but a traffic light out on my way to work reminded me of it. Given plants use mostly the red and blue spectrum. the exact frequencies vary depending on species. You might be able to get away with a red LED traffic light. MOST cities already use these because of the long life and lower energy costs. They use standard 120vac current and they are replaced 100-150 watt halogens. On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 charles at bityard.net wrote: > On Sun, March 1, 2009 7:23 pm, Sean O'Malley wrote: > > This is the one I saw from instructables that caught my eye. > > http://www.instructables.com/id/high-power-LED-grow-lights-M.k2/ > > > > Since it sort of combines hydroponics with led grow lights and the guy is > > dirt cheap in his designs. I saw a few kits online but most of the > > small ones were sold out and they are quite pricey. I can't pay 100 bucks > > for grow lights I will use maybe 2-3 months while germinating outdoor > > plants. (my outdoor plant budget is 50 bucks a year.) > > You'll want to pay close attention to the datasheets when you buy the > LEDs. A commenter noted in step 1 that you have to plan very carefully > when using LEDs are grow lights. The bandwidth of LEDs is so narrow that > it's difficult to adequately cover the wavelengths of light that plants > absorb with only 2-3 types of LEDs. > > Although, it should be said that I know nothing of growing plants so maybe > his design is "good enough." :) > > > I think I saw something where they had a backlog of orders for the leds. I > > don't know how true that is or whether there is something else affecting > > the market. > > I haven't heard of a shortage of high-power LEDs. It looks like you can > get them on eBay for between $5-$10 each (including shipping). > > > The part that got me interested in LEDs was to replace the CF bulbs in my > > house as the flicker irritates my eyes. (Slow refresh rates on crt > > monitors does too.) They are more environmentally friendly as they don't > > contain mercury like the CF bulbs do. However I havent seen them for much > > less then 100 bucks a bulb. > > Yeah, LEDs aren't really up to replacing general-purpose lighting just > yet. I've been toying with the idea of buying some white LEDs in bulk to > make under-cabinet lighting for the kitchen but I don't know that I'll > ever have the time. (Also, my kitchen is too ugly right now to warrant > additional illumination.) > > > Charles > -- > http://bityard.net > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From simple.solutions at comcast.net Mon Mar 9 11:19:24 2009 From: simple.solutions at comcast.net (Peter Christenson) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:19:24 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] virtualization/netboot question Message-ID: <20090309151927.505BB71F17D@mx.egr.msu.edu> I'm supprised that no one has responded to this. (that I have seen) Anyway, I don't know much but let me see if I can help. First off how far have you gotten? What I've gotten to work. I'm currently pxe booting dsl, memtest, spinrite, and ghost/win98 bootdisk. I'm working on a variant of xp embedded, and just saw and want to try a pxe-boot xen. I also want to build a (working) menu. I am interested in your project but I would want to change a few things if possible.. I want to use one computer to run two VMs in kiosk mode mapped on different keyboard, video, mouse. Making it so that both my kids can play at the same time at +/- half the power. I also want to run the vms off a nas with only a local swap file. Although I only have first hand experience with VMware ESXI. I'm planning on building both virtualbox and xen then I can compare all three. If you have any insite on witch one to use I'm all ears. As a side note I am looking for a floppy img that can boot---connect to nsf drive--mount iso file---boot as if it was a local drive. Regards Peter. -----Original Message----- From: "Sean O'Malley" To: linux-user at egr.msu.edu Sent: 02/25/09 10:38 Subject: [GLLUG] virtualization/netboot question I have a couple of computers at home(doh). My little cousins like to play on them on occasion. However, some of the programs they like to use are windows based,and some of them are linux based. I like to use the computers for linux based things and they are running a distributed client when not in use. What I -want- is a system that lets me netboot the machines, copy vm image files to the netbooted system's harddrive. Allow me to launch the VM in a fullscreen kiosk mode. (copy a new image file in the background while they are using the vm that is in use.) Let them log in as admin let them completely screw up the system. When they logout or restart, they get a nice fresh image to work with. (They have shared filespace on my server because i do end up wiping out the machines often as I retool for different projects.) I would like this to work with both linux and windows so you can pick n choose which OS you want to run/destroy. I was going to use the linux k12 or cobbler for the netboot system. Then I was going run qemu on top of it for my choice of VM's to use and just adjust qemu to run fullscreen in more of a kiosk mode after selection of the vm to actually use. I was going to manage/reload the vm images using the unused bandwidth in the background with a shell script, and do checksums on the images to verify the copy completed, etc. I found the paravirtualization drivers for kvm for Windows and I use those on my laptop and it seems to work okay for my use. I can handle it if say cobbler can drop the customized image onto the disk, wiping the drive isn't that bad, but I do have different sized drives on the system. I could just use a terminal server, but that doesnt really let me leverage the horsepower of the client machines which means my -real- projects won't have enough horsepower when they are screwing around. Does anyone know of a project that lets me do this? Or know of a better way to do this? comments/flames? _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user at egr.msu.edu http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From c.e.tower at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 00:34:11 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 00:34:11 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Interesting Article In-Reply-To: <20090306014043.360d5d36@osiris> References: <49AA2906.7040101@cyber-nos.com> <80324a260903010814y7a395ab3raf29471387495d2c@mail.gmail.com> <49AC17A1.20002@gmail.com> <49AC8B93.6080401@lazarusid.com> <49B0A2F7.7030501@gmail.com> <20090306014043.360d5d36@osiris> Message-ID: <49B5EDC3.9020408@gmail.com> Here's an interesting article on how to run a successful LUG. http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/how-to-run-a-successful-linux-user-group-527915 Chick From c.e.tower at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 22:46:39 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:46:39 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon Fur Party In-Reply-To: <12df8d4f0903051540w14178340g24dee1f5c17b0422@mail.gmail.com> References: <984d708a0902281642p7e18af1aqb46590197e981b07@mail.gmail.com> <49B01D1A.5060100@gmail.com> <12df8d4f0903051540w14178340g24dee1f5c17b0422@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B8778F.9060901@gmail.com> Okay, here's the news you've all been waiting for. Two nights of furry frivolity. "We'll be having a pile of fur scraps and sewing materials for people to create bizarre things out of. The party is not intended to be rated PG and will have an 'No <18' posted at the door. There will however be no alcohol.. However a variety of munchies will be present." Chick From clay at lazarusid.com Thu Mar 12 08:32:04 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:32:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon Fur Party In-Reply-To: <49B8778F.9060901@gmail.com> References: <984d708a0902281642p7e18af1aqb46590197e981b07@mail.gmail.com> <49B01D1A.5060100@gmail.com> <12df8d4f0903051540w14178340g24dee1f5c17b0422@mail.gmail.com> <49B8778F.9060901@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Chick Tower wrote: > Okay, here's the news you've all been waiting for. Two nights of furry > frivolity. We should put up a "no yiffing" sign on our party then. Clay From clay at lazarusid.com Thu Mar 12 11:08:00 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:08:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] For the motorcycle/computer geek Message-ID: Found this cool article about combining motorcycle touring with computing: http://www.pyzine.com/Issue007/Section_Articles/article_MobileDataCollection.html Believe it or not, this was prompted by Charles' mention of BoArduino projects. Some day, I want to set up an automated home brewing system, so that all I need to do is put grain in the mash tun, water in the water back, and press the start button. Clay From kwiatk27 at msu.edu Fri Mar 13 09:23:42 2009 From: kwiatk27 at msu.edu (Nicholas Kwiatkowski) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:23:42 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Ignite is coming to Lansnig! Message-ID: <001d01c9a3de$ee261470$ca723d50$@edu> Hey everybody! I just wanted to give you a heads up that Lansing is going to be hosting an Ignite event next month! Ignite is an event started by O'Reilly where each presenter gets 5 minutes to present their topic. It's really fun and includes some science-olympiad style competitions in the background. More info at http://www.igniteLansing.com Call for presentations is open now. -Nick Kwiatkowski MSU Telecom Systems -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090313/a7b443d2/attachment.html From clay at lazarusid.com Fri Mar 13 10:28:03 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:28:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Grilled Chicken this summer? Message-ID: A friend raises meat chickens, and he's taking his orders for birds that will be ready in June. Whole birds are going for $2/pound, with the typical bird being 5-6 pounds. I was thinking it might be cool to grill up a few birds as a summer GLLUG event, maybe as a beer-butt chicken over lump charcoal. The meat on these has a somewhat different texture and flavor than the birds you get at the store, because they forage for part of their food and get a lot more protein in their diet than the birds raised commercialy. I can't really describe how it's different, but I've eaten a couple before and it is different. Anyway, I have two birds on order, but he said he can get me more later if we decide we want them. Clay From eduardo at cesconetto.com Fri Mar 13 10:31:47 2009 From: eduardo at cesconetto.com (eduardo at cesconetto.com) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:31:47 -0300 (BRT) Subject: [GLLUG] Grilled Chicken this summer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <62393.99.30.107.202.1236954707.squirrel@cesconetto.com> Bird is the word. :) > A friend raises meat chickens, and he's taking his orders for birds that > will be ready in June. Whole birds are going for $2/pound, with the > typical bird being 5-6 pounds. I was thinking it might be cool to grill > up a few birds as a summer GLLUG event, maybe as a beer-butt chicken over > lump charcoal. > > The meat on these has a somewhat different texture and flavor than the > birds you get at the store, because they forage for part of their food and > get a lot more protein in their diet than the birds raised commercialy. I > can't really describe how it's different, but I've eaten a couple before > and it is different. > > Anyway, I have two birds on order, but he said he can get me more later if > we decide we want them. > > Clay > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From frank.dolinar at comcast.net Fri Mar 13 11:29:42 2009 From: frank.dolinar at comcast.net (frank.dolinar at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:29:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [GLLUG] Grilled Chicken this summer? In-Reply-To: <62393.99.30.107.202.1236954707.squirrel@cesconetto.com> Message-ID: <245011520.2343111236958182292.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hi, everyone, My two cents.. I think getting together this summer for a picnic / grill fest is a great idea. Better, I think we should make it an annual event. I further think that the only place we should have such an outing is out at Jeff's place (..so, Jeff, please volunteer your courtyard..) ..end of my two cents. Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: eduardo at cesconetto.com To: "Clay Dowling" Cc: linux-user at egr.msu.edu Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 10:31:47 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Grilled Chicken this summer? Bird is the word. :) > A friend raises meat chickens, and he's taking his orders for birds that > will be ready in June. Whole birds are going for $2/pound, with the > typical bird being 5-6 pounds. I was thinking it might be cool to grill > up a few birds as a summer GLLUG event, maybe as a beer-butt chicken over > lump charcoal. > > The meat on these has a somewhat different texture and flavor than the > birds you get at the store, because they forage for part of their food and > get a lot more protein in their diet than the birds raised commercialy. I > can't really describe how it's different, but I've eaten a couple before > and it is different. > > Anyway, I have two birds on order, but he said he can get me more later if > we decide we want them. > > Clay > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user at egr.msu.edu http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090313/5c31ac0d/attachment.html From charles at bityard.net Fri Mar 13 12:34:46 2009 From: charles at bityard.net (Charles) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:34:46 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Grilled Chicken this summer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49BA8B26.4000301@bityard.net> Clay Dowling wrote: > A friend raises meat chickens, and he's taking his orders for birds that > will be ready in June. Whole birds are going for $2/pound, with the > typical bird being 5-6 pounds. I was thinking it might be cool to grill > up a few birds as a summer GLLUG event, maybe as a beer-butt chicken over > lump charcoal. > > The meat on these has a somewhat different texture and flavor than the > birds you get at the store, because they forage for part of their food and > get a lot more protein in their diet than the birds raised commercialy. I > can't really describe how it's different, but I've eaten a couple before > and it is different. > > Anyway, I have two birds on order, but he said he can get me more later if > we decide we want them. > > Clay Count me in. I've been waiting ever so patiently for a good day to break out the grill and cook up some cow/pig/poultry, but winter just won't GTFO. -- http://bityard.net From exfed at hotmail.com Sat Mar 14 17:06:00 2009 From: exfed at hotmail.com (Ex Fed) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:06:00 +0000 Subject: [GLLUG] Grilled Chicken this summer? Watch of for PETA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > The meat on these has a somewhat different texture and flavor than the > birds you get at the store, because they forage for part of their food and > get a lot more protein in their diet than the birds raised commercialy. I > can't really describe how it's different, but I've eaten a couple before > and it is different. > That's the kind of PETA I like PEOPLE EATING TASTY ANIMALS.:0 LD _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090314/f3319b48/attachment.html From clay at lazarusid.com Sun Mar 15 17:58:46 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:58:46 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon Liason for Rasmus Lerdorf Message-ID: <49BD7A16.1080808@lazarusid.com> Penguicon is looking for a liason for Rasmus Lerdorf, a Linux Journal columnist and one of the driving forces behind PHP. I had originally volunteered for the task, but the coordinator took a while getting back to me, and it looks like my time would be better put towards beef preparation. It's a very cool thing to do, and other GOH liasons have reported really enjoying their experience. Anybody interested should contact molly.deblanc at gmail.com. The task involves making sure Rasmus gets to his panels on time, actually manages to eat during the day, and in general being his Man Friday to ensure that he has a good con. I know at least where you can get him good food and good drink, which should help smooth the way. Clay From c.e.tower at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 16:52:22 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:52:22 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Meeting Room In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49BEBC06.4010409@gmail.com> I received an e-mail from the head librarian stating that we can hold our meetings in the conference room of the public library, instead of in the board room, where we have been meeting for a couple of months. So we will no longer meet in the room we met in last week. Chick From picasso at madflower.com Tue Mar 17 10:50:46 2009 From: picasso at madflower.com (Sean O'Malley) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] virtualization/netboot question In-Reply-To: <20090309151927.505BB71F17D@mx.egr.msu.edu> Message-ID: I haven't gotten very far work has me going in a different direction atm :P Thus the slow reply. :) I am working on pxeboot with cobbler right now. > I am interested in your project but I would want to change a few > things if possible.. I want to use one computer to run two VMs in > kiosk mode mapped on different keyboard, video, mouse. Making it so > that both my kids can play at the same time at +/- half the power. I > also want to run the vms off a nas with only a local swap file. Device sharing is going to be tricky. The two keyboards, mice might actually get confused if you use usb, unless possibly you have two usb buses, etc. It gets weird fast. And it could end up being like it used to be with the two ethernet cards, and they alternated which one was detected first. :P The video is what I am looking at right now. And it would be -sweet- if you could just assign a VM to it's own native video card. Although that can get confusing on the guest also because of drivers issues. I am kind of hoping some "higher" standard will pop out of the gpu HPC projects for driver inclusion into projects like qemu, and the like so you only have to emulate a subset of the 3-d objects and the rest can be passed and displayed natively by the card for better graphic performance. Then you can have a more generic video driver on the guest OS. > Although I only have first hand experience with VMware ESXI. I'm > planning on building both virtualbox and xen then I can compare all > three. If you have any insite on witch one to use I'm all ears. You might also want to try KVM. Redhat just picked it up as part of their virtualization line, and it is the newest kid on the block.. It would actually be interesting to put up more recent speed performance numbers between the systems. The last information I saw was from 3 years ago, and KVM was still an infant. And it was a bit slower then the other 3 you mentioned. However, since Xen was purchased by Citrix (and their stack management is now free I believe) Xen support has slowed and KVM support has picked up considerably. http://www.ovirt.org/ might also be a project of interest to you since it is more like VMware ESXi It uses KVM and was developed for HPC, and there are a couple of hosting companies that I assume use it. From mortel at cyber-nos.com Tue Mar 17 16:13:30 2009 From: mortel at cyber-nos.com (Stanley C. Mortel) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:13:30 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Ubuntu CDs for Penguicon Message-ID: <49C0046A.2070003@cyber-nos.com> I just ordered 50 CDs from Canonical for distribution at the Con. Stan From c.e.tower at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 16:53:20 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:53:20 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Ubuntu CDs for Penguicon In-Reply-To: <49C0046A.2070003@cyber-nos.com> References: <49C0046A.2070003@cyber-nos.com> Message-ID: <49C00DC0.2010902@gmail.com> Good man, Stan. I'm glad _someone_ is planning ahead for the possible install-fest that we might want to let Penguicon know we're having, if we can get volunteers to help during it. Chick Stanley C. Mortel wrote: > I just ordered 50 CDs from Canonical for distribution at the Con. > > Stan From radema39 at msu.edu Wed Mar 18 09:05:44 2009 From: radema39 at msu.edu (Marcus Rademacher) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:05:44 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Alternative to SUSE Enterprise Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My company makes software products, and we need to test on multiple platforms. Most of our Linux customers use either Red Hat Enterprise Linux or SUSE Enterprise Linux. We have RHEL in house, but we'd like to get SUSE as well. I'm aware of CentOS, and that it is virtually the same OS as RHEL but without Red Hat trademarks. Is there such a distribution for SUSE Ent. Linux? openSUSE isn't what I'm looking for here, but something that's a CentOS-like entity, but for SUSE Enterprise Linux. Marcus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090318/91ea4767/attachment.html From simple.solutions at comcast.net Wed Mar 18 15:01:22 2009 From: simple.solutions at comcast.net (Peter Christenson) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:01:22 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Thoughts on OSticket Message-ID: <20090318190149.17E6271F2D5@mx.egr.msu.edu> Hi all. I'm looking for a free ticket support systems, and wandering if anyone has had experience with OSticket. Or any other ticket systems that also can be used by mobile devices (windows mobile / android / iphone / blackberry / palm) because this isn't my area, I'm hoping to get some good advice. Thanks and Best Regards Peter C. Simple Solutions Computer Support Sent from my mobile device. From dan.twomley at gknsintermetals.com Wed Mar 18 15:22:50 2009 From: dan.twomley at gknsintermetals.com (Twomley Dan) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:22:50 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Thoughts on OSticket In-Reply-To: <20090318190149.17E6271F2D5@mx.egr.msu.edu> References: <20090318190149.17E6271F2D5@mx.egr.msu.edu> Message-ID: <1237404170.10744.44.camel@dtwomley.sinter.gkn.com> We recently evaluated a number of ticket systems and picked GLPI. Quite advanced, even when compared to products costing $10,000+. Especially like how it ties in with OCSNG. Not sure about the mobile piece, and if it doesn't have this support out of the box, there might be a plug-in available: http://glpi-project.org/spip.php?rubrique28 Another option is to develop a custom interface-shouldn't be too difficult since GLPI is built with PHP on MySQL. On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 15:01 -0400, Peter Christenson wrote: > Hi all. I'm looking for a free ticket support systems, and wandering if anyone has had experience with OSticket. Or any other ticket systems that also can be used by mobile devices (windows mobile / android / iphone / blackberry / palm) because this isn't my area, I'm hoping to get some good advice. > > Thanks > and > Best Regards > Peter C. > Simple Solutions Computer Support > Sent from my mobile device. > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From mortel at cyber-nos.com Thu Mar 19 01:55:07 2009 From: mortel at cyber-nos.com (Stanley C. Mortel) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 01:55:07 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] 10 fundamental differences between Linux and Windows Message-ID: <49C1DE3B.9080707@cyber-nos.com> Pretty nice, succinct article. http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tr/downloads/home/dl_10_diff_linux_windows.pdf Guess which OS comes out ahead? Stan From goofle1 at att.net Thu Mar 19 02:43:53 2009 From: goofle1 at att.net (Dave) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 02:43:53 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] 10 Fundamental diffs bet. LINUX & win Message-ID: <49C1E9A9.2030107@att.net> This is a very good article. Sent it to many in my address book to show them the differences. It took a while, and a move, but am now using Ubuntu 8.10. Also have Sun xVM VirtualBox that was installed by my son so I can use Rootsmagic Genealogy Program ( win only ). Have Dual boot for two HD: Linux is 120G. Compuker is Homemade by my son w/Intel Cent.dual processor @2.33. Have two DVD/CD drives. Also finally, after many years, am doing SETI on Linux which I can say is more stable than when I do SETI on win. I don't know why, but it works better on Linux, at least to me. Lastly, have made an ISO disc of the GoBo Linux distribution, and will in the future either use it on another compuker or an external HD on this one. Again, TNX for the excellent article Dave, now in Ionia From eduardo at cesconetto.com Wed Mar 18 23:45:09 2009 From: eduardo at cesconetto.com (Eduardo Cesconetto) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:45:09 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] New Phone Number/Novo numero de telefone Message-ID: Hello Friends and family! My Mobile phone number changed, the 517-755-9656 is no longer active, the new number is (832) 341-5062. Please update your records. Peace!! Eduardo Cesconetto Ola Familia e amigos! Meu numero do celular mudou, o novo numero eh +1(832) 341-5062 Abracos!! Eduardo Cesconetto -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090318/49c837b7/attachment.html From picasso at madflower.com Thu Mar 19 12:44:05 2009 From: picasso at madflower.com (Sean O'Malley) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] Alternative to SUSE Enterprise Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: IIRC the closest you are going to get is the trial version of SuSe or OpenSuse. They don't have source available for a number of their features. I don't know if it is still the case but at one time even yast was covered under their proprietary license and not legally available unless you had the SuSE license. RedHat has remained open and keeps their software opensource. They do have 3rd party licensed software they cannot release source code for, but they do a pretty good job of keeping that minimum which is why there can be a CentOS. On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, Marcus Rademacher wrote: > My company makes software products, and we need to test on multiple > platforms. Most of our Linux customers use either Red Hat Enterprise Linux > or SUSE Enterprise Linux. We have RHEL in house, but we'd like to get SUSE > as well. I'm aware of CentOS, and that it is virtually the same OS as RHEL > but without Red Hat trademarks. Is there such a distribution for SUSE Ent. > Linux? openSUSE isn't what I'm looking for here, but something that's a > CentOS-like entity, but for SUSE Enterprise Linux. > > Marcus > -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user at egr.msu.edu http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From picasso at madflower.com Thu Mar 19 13:11:40 2009 From: picasso at madflower.com (Sean O'Malley) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] virtualization/netboot question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just a couple of notes probably to myself at this point. On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Sean O'Malley wrote: > Device sharing is going to be tricky. The two keyboards, mice might > actually get confused if you use usb, unless possibly you have two usb > buses, etc. It gets weird fast. And it could end up being like it used to > be with the two ethernet cards, and they alternated which one was detected > first. :P Actually it appears dual nic cards and keyboard/mouse and other hardware can be assigned to a vm. > The video is what I am looking at right now. And it would be -sweet- if > you could just assign a VM to it's own native video card. Although that > can get confusing on the guest also because of drivers issues. Video looks like the biggest issue since because of the video card bios, you can't directly assign it to a VM. Suck. At least that is one thing -i- saw. After that it gets pretty tricky, because you have to emulate a video card, have a native OS driver, then convert that to something like OpenGL in the VM and then assign that to a particular video card. It is similar to what SGI does and actually if you could get a vm to output completely in OpenGL, you could use SGI's system as it would be an OpenGL application. The only real bitchy thing about this is the "invention" of directX where M$ decided they didnt want to be a part of the OpenGL consortium. From c.e.tower at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 13:55:50 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:55:50 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon Volunteer Rewards Program In-Reply-To: <49C1E9A9.2030107@att.net> References: <49C1E9A9.2030107@att.net> Message-ID: <49C28726.4080600@gmail.com> In case any of you were considering whether or not to volunteer to spend some hours working in the computer lounge or for the convention itself this year, here's an excerpt from a message from the convention committee chairman about volunteering. (Note that the "me" referred to is the volunteer coordinator, not the convention committee chairman.) I believe credits will be assigned at the rate of one credit per hour of "work," which can be used for "buying" your reimbursement and for other things. "If you do at least an hour of work every day, you can share the Penguin Pit, our official volunteer sleeping space. There's a room for guys and another room for gals. Storage is at your own risk. Ask me or Ops for the key when you're ready to get in. If you work six hours over the weekend, Chuck Child will reimburse your registration cost at a table outside of Ops on the third floor. He will be there from 11 AM through 1 PM on Sunday. We reimburse on the condition that the convention makes money (which we always have before)." Chick From charles at bityard.net Thu Mar 19 16:51:00 2009 From: charles at bityard.net (charles at bityard.net) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon Volunteer Rewards Program In-Reply-To: <49C28726.4080600@gmail.com> References: <49C1E9A9.2030107@att.net> <49C28726.4080600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46028.72.52.190.38.1237495860.squirrel@host.bityard.net> On Thu, March 19, 2009 1:55 pm, Chick Tower wrote: > In case any of you were considering whether or not to volunteer to spend > some hours working in the computer lounge or for the convention itself > this year, here's an excerpt from a message from the convention > committee chairman about volunteering. (Note that the "me" referred to > is the volunteer coordinator, not the convention committee chairman.) I > believe credits will be assigned at the rate of one credit per hour of > "work," which can be used for "buying" your reimbursement and for other > things. > > "If you do at least an hour of work every day, you can share the > Penguin Pit, our official volunteer sleeping space. There's a room for > guys and another room for gals. Storage is at your own risk. Ask me or > Ops for the key when you're ready to get in. > > If you work six hours over the weekend, Chuck Child will reimburse > your registration cost at a table outside of Ops on the third floor. > He will be there from 11 AM through 1 PM on Sunday. We reimburse on > the condition that the convention makes money (which we always have > before)." And this is an excellent time for me to point out that if anyone on the list is planning on attending Penguicon, we can really use your help with staffing the computer lounge and other tasks. Even if you don't know exactly what time slots you can volunteer, that's fine! We can get that nailed down once the con looms closer. Family and friends are welcome too. Charles -- http://bityard.net From karl.schuttler at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 18:34:43 2009 From: karl.schuttler at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:34:43 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] [WLUG] Screen icons tool bars to big. results In-Reply-To: <660409.40145.qm@web38204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <660409.40145.qm@web38204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <984d708a0903191534v32bf2e0cu675901125a89f63c@mail.gmail.com> If you could, please also paste the contents of /etc/X11/xorg.conf. The mail servlist seems to remove any images you attach, so don't worry about them, or upload them to a free picture host (imageshack.us for example) and provide a link. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:05 PM, gordon webb wrote: > Hello all > > Ross Smith found my vidio card's information from my terminals responce: > "01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8300 GS (rev a1) > you have a nVidia GeForce 8300 GS" > > Also attache are snap shot of my screen to make the problem clearer. > > Thank you > > Gordon > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of Screenshot.png] > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of Screenshot-2.png] > -- > *** ?Sent from linux-users at lugwash.org ?*** ?http://www.lugwash.org > to unsubscribe: `echo "unsubscribe" | mail linux-users-request at lugwash.org` > From rick at divinesymphony.net Sat Mar 21 12:19:59 2009 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 12:19:59 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Alternative to SUSE Enterprise Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What kind of software do you make (ex. C GUI app, JEE application, Python daemon, PHP app, etc.)? IMO, you shouldn't be as concerned at targetting a specific distro as opposed to specifying software requirements (with an ex. REL 4.0, SUSE 1.0, for marketting). For example, the latest Linux releases still run binaries built for 1.0. I suspect the only problems you'd have are dynamic link libraries. The LSB attempts to satisfy some of those, and you can bundle the rest with the applications. It's what all the proprietary applications I've dealt with do. On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Marcus Rademacher wrote: > My company makes software products, and we need to test on multiple > platforms. Most of our Linux customers use either Red Hat Enterprise Linux > or SUSE Enterprise Linux. We have RHEL in house, but we'd like to get SUSE > as well. I'm aware of CentOS, and that it is virtually the same OS as RHEL > but without Red Hat trademarks. Is there such a distribution for SUSE Ent. > Linux? openSUSE isn't what I'm looking for here, but something that's a > CentOS-like entity, but for SUSE Enterprise Linux. > > Marcus > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090321/8a84a7e4/attachment.html From rick at divinesymphony.net Sat Mar 21 12:29:45 2009 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 12:29:45 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Alternative to SUSE Enterprise Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For the record, Mandriva has a similar version called 'Free' which the commercial version is based on, although Mandriva does coordinate all the releases. Much of the development happens community style, like Debian though. With few exceptions, a well written RPM should work on all current versions of Mandriva, RedHat, Fedora, CentOS, etc. Search around for any applications distributed as a single RPM for such distros and the applicable spec file should be helpful. Expect the only catchy parts to be figuring out the name of any external packages you might require. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Sean O'Malley wrote: > IIRC the closest you are going to get is the trial version of SuSe or > OpenSuse. They don't have source available for a number of their features. > I don't know if it is still the case but at one time even yast was covered > under their proprietary license and not legally available unless you had > the SuSE license. > > RedHat has remained open and keeps their software opensource. They do have > 3rd party licensed software they cannot release source code for, but they > do a pretty good job of keeping that minimum which is why there can be a > CentOS. > > > > On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, Marcus Rademacher wrote: > > > My company makes software products, and we need to test on multiple > > platforms. Most of our Linux customers use either Red Hat Enterprise > Linux > > or SUSE Enterprise Linux. We have RHEL in house, but we'd like to get > SUSE > > as well. I'm aware of CentOS, and that it is virtually the same OS as > RHEL > > but without Red Hat trademarks. Is there such a distribution for SUSE > Ent. > > Linux? openSUSE isn't what I'm looking for here, but something that's a > > CentOS-like entity, but for SUSE Enterprise Linux. > > > > Marcus > > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090321/4eea2ff0/attachment.html From radema39 at msu.edu Sat Mar 21 12:34:26 2009 From: radema39 at msu.edu (Marcus Rademacher) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 12:34:26 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Alternative to SUSE Enterprise Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Our GUI is in Smalltalk (wild, right?) and our main app is in C/C++. We don't target distros so much as attempt to support what's commonly used by our clients already. Our software is used in conjuction with enginering/scientific simulation tools (CAD, FEA, CFD, etc). Our clients already have large compute resources to handle the other tools, and we just need to make sure we're compatible on those platforms. The main reason we want to include SUSE in house is to be able to replicate our users' environment as closely as possible during testing and support. We do "specify" requirements in a sense, but we're not willing to lose a sale if someone's compute cluster is still running AIX or HP-UX. Luckily, the old UNIX stuff is going away, and the big simulation software is not supporting them as much anymore. This allows us to do the same, and focus on Windows and Linux as the primary platforms. Regardless, it appears that there's no free alternative to SUSE Enterprise Linux. I didn't realize it was so cheap (for the Desktop version, anyway). At $50/year, it's a steal. RHEL was more than twice that, and that's after fighting the salesman to tell us the price for the lower support option. Anyway, thanks for the input everyone! On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Richard Houser wrote: > What kind of software do you make (ex. C GUI app, JEE application, Python > daemon, PHP app, etc.)? > > IMO, you shouldn't be as concerned at targetting a specific distro as > opposed to specifying software requirements (with an ex. REL 4.0, SUSE 1.0, > for marketting). For example, the latest Linux releases still run binaries > built for 1.0. I suspect the only problems you'd have are dynamic link > libraries. The LSB attempts to satisfy some of those, and you can bundle > the rest with the applications. It's what all the proprietary applications > I've dealt with do. > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Marcus Rademacher wrote: > >> My company makes software products, and we need to test on multiple >> platforms. Most of our Linux customers use either Red Hat Enterprise Linux >> or SUSE Enterprise Linux. We have RHEL in house, but we'd like to get SUSE >> as well. I'm aware of CentOS, and that it is virtually the same OS as RHEL >> but without Red Hat trademarks. Is there such a distribution for SUSE Ent. >> Linux? openSUSE isn't what I'm looking for here, but something that's a >> CentOS-like entity, but for SUSE Enterprise Linux. >> >> Marcus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090321/c6809c6e/attachment.html From clay at lazarusid.com Sat Mar 21 13:25:21 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 13:25:21 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Smalltalk GUI for C++ Backend? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C52301.4030206@lazarusid.com> Marcus Rademacher wrote: > Our GUI is in Smalltalk (wild, right?) and our main app is in C/C++. Is there any particular reason you went this route? There are two top-flight cross platform GUI libraries in C++ with good RAD tools. I could definitely discuss wxWidgets and its tools for a GLLUG presentation, if people were interested. Clay From frank.dolinar at comcast.net Sat Mar 21 13:32:49 2009 From: frank.dolinar at comcast.net (frank.dolinar at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 17:32:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [GLLUG] Smalltalk GUI for C++ Backend? In-Reply-To: <49C52301.4030206@lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <1445505101.5613801237656769784.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Clay I'd be interested in such a presentation. I've written and taught C++, but never used the wxWidgets -- though I have heard of them. Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clay Dowling" To: "Marcus Rademacher" Cc: linux-user at egr.msu.edu Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 1:25:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [GLLUG] Smalltalk GUI for C++ Backend? Marcus Rademacher wrote: > Our GUI is in Smalltalk (wild, right?) and our main app is in C/C++. Is there any particular reason you went this route? There are two top-flight cross platform GUI libraries in C++ with good RAD tools. I could definitely discuss wxWidgets and its tools for a GLLUG presentation, if people were interested. Clay _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user at egr.msu.edu http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I didn't realize it was so cheap (for the Desktop version, anyway). > At $50/year, it's a steal. RHEL was more than twice that, and that's after > fighting the salesman to tell us the price for the lower support option. List prices (include 1/yr of support and I think media.) Solaris 10 324/yr. Suse Enterprise Server 349/yr. Suse Enterprise Desktop 120/yr. OpenSuse Desktop 60/yr. Red Hat Enterprise Server 349/yr. Red Hat Desktop 80/yr. You didn't get OpenSuse Desktop instead of Suse Enterprise Desktop by chance did you? -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user at egr.msu.edu http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From radema39 at msu.edu Sat Mar 21 15:27:58 2009 From: radema39 at msu.edu (Marcus Rademacher) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 15:27:58 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Smalltalk GUI for C++ Backend? In-Reply-To: <49C52301.4030206@lazarusid.com> References: <49C52301.4030206@lazarusid.com> Message-ID: Well, at the time we had a Smalltalk evangelist as lead software dev. He's no longer developing for our company (but consults with us when needed), but we've continued because Smalltalk is actually a nice code to develop in. It has the disadvantage of being somewhat obscure, and thus difficult to find developers for. Overall we're pleased with it so far. As we grow, we may redevelop our GUI from scratch, in which case we'd be looking at the code to use again. Marcus On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Clay Dowling wrote: > Marcus Rademacher wrote: > > Our GUI is in Smalltalk (wild, right?) and our main app is in C/C++. > Is there any particular reason you went this route? There are two > top-flight cross platform GUI libraries in C++ with good RAD tools. I > could definitely discuss wxWidgets and its tools for a GLLUG > presentation, if people were interested. > > Clay > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090321/9b74e294/attachment.html From radema39 at msu.edu Sat Mar 21 15:30:33 2009 From: radema39 at msu.edu (Marcus Rademacher) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 15:30:33 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Alternative to SUSE Enterprise Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nope, it is SUSE Enterprise Linux Desktop 10. I saw that they were charging $$ openSUSE media. On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Sean O'Malley wrote: > > > On Sat, 21 Mar 2009, Marcus Rademacher wrote: > > > Our GUI is in Smalltalk (wild, right?) and our main app is in C/C++. > > That is pretty cool :P > > > Regardless, it appears that there's no free alternative to SUSE > Enterprise > > Linux. I didn't realize it was so cheap (for the Desktop version, > anyway). > > At $50/year, it's a steal. RHEL was more than twice that, and that's > after > > fighting the salesman to tell us the price for the lower support option. > > List prices (include 1/yr of support and I think media.) > Solaris 10 324/yr. > Suse Enterprise Server 349/yr. > Suse Enterprise Desktop 120/yr. > OpenSuse Desktop 60/yr. > Red Hat Enterprise Server 349/yr. > Red Hat Desktop 80/yr. > > You didn't get OpenSuse Desktop instead of Suse Enterprise Desktop by > chance did you? > > _______________________________________________ > > > linux-user mailing list > > > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > > > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Karl Schuttler wrote: > If you could, please also paste the contents of /etc/X11/xorg.conf. > The mail servlist seems to remove any images you attach, so don't > worry about them, or upload them to a free picture host (imageshack.us > for example) and provide a link. > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:05 PM, gordon webb > wrote: > > Hello all > > > > Ross Smith found my vidio card's information from my terminals responce: > > "01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8300 GS > (rev a1) > > you have a nVidia GeForce 8300 GS" > > > > Also attache are snap shot of my screen to make the problem clearer. > > > > Thank you > > > > Gordon > > > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of > Screenshot.png] > > > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of > Screenshot-2.png] > > -- > > *** Sent from linux-users at lugwash.org *** http://www.lugwash.org > > to unsubscribe: `echo "unsubscribe" | mail > linux-users-request at lugwash.org` > > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Karl Schuttler wrote: > If you could, please also paste the contents of /etc/X11/xorg.conf. > The mail servlist seems to remove any images you attach, so don't > worry about them, or upload them to a free picture host (imageshack.us > for example) and provide a link. > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:05 PM, gordon webb > wrote: > > Hello all > > > > Ross Smith found my vidio card's information from my terminals responce: > > "01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8300 GS > (rev a1) > > you have a nVidia GeForce 8300 GS" > > > > Also attache are snap shot of my screen to make the problem clearer. > > > > Thank you > > > > Gordon > > > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of > Screenshot.png] > > > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of > Screenshot-2.png] > > -- > > *** Sent from linux-users at lugwash.org *** http://www.lugwash.org > > to unsubscribe: `echo "unsubscribe" | mail > linux-users-request at lugwash.org` > > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -- Jordan Robison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090321/917b0ead/attachment.html From david at ramaboo.com Sat Mar 21 17:29:59 2009 From: david at ramaboo.com (David Singer) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 17:29:59 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] PHP Authentication Frameworks Message-ID: <80324a260903211429p5e2b4df0p513765c1ed3f36b1@mail.gmail.com> I am working on a PHP application that requires user authentication. I was wondering if anyone had experience with a good PHP authentication library (or a library that could be wrapped into a PHP class). I need both user and group based authentication. Where each domain (the application deals with dns records for domains) could be accessed by zero or more users, and be a member of zero or more groups (very similar to unix/linux user system). Users/groups would need read/write permissions. In addition to simple salted database authentication I was hopping to find something that would support normal unix/linux system accounts, LDAP, and Open ID. Iv considered writing my own abstract authentication class and then implementing each authentication mechanism but that would take a few days. I was hopping to find something already writing thats GPLv3 compatible. Any suggestions would be great. Thanks David From c.e.tower at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 18:14:58 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 17:14:58 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] PHP Authentication Frameworks In-Reply-To: <80324a260903211429p5e2b4df0p513765c1ed3f36b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <80324a260903211429p5e2b4df0p513765c1ed3f36b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C566E2.2070000@gmail.com> I haven't used any of them, but if you go to SourceForge's security category http://sourceforge.net/softwaremap/trove_list.php?form_cat=43 and search for authentication (at the bottom of the page) you get 231 hits, some of which appear suitable at first glance. The autentication/directory category appears to be a likely source, too. http://sourceforge.net/softwaremap/trove_list.php?form_cat=289 Chick David Singer wrote: > I am working on a PHP application that requires user authentication. > > I was wondering if anyone had experience with a good PHP > authentication library (or a library that could be wrapped into a PHP > class). From clay at lazarusid.com Sat Mar 21 20:26:47 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:26:47 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] PHP Authentication Frameworks In-Reply-To: <80324a260903211429p5e2b4df0p513765c1ed3f36b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <80324a260903211429p5e2b4df0p513765c1ed3f36b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C585C7.4060309@lazarusid.com> David Singer wrote: > I am working on a PHP application that requires user authentication. > > I was wondering if anyone had experience with a good PHP > authentication library (or a library that could be wrapped into a PHP > class). > I haven't used it, but Zend_Auth meets all of your requirements. The Zend library is kind of heavy-weight, but it mostly works. Clay From david at ramaboo.com Sat Mar 21 22:12:42 2009 From: david at ramaboo.com (David Singer) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 22:12:42 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] PHP Authentication Frameworks In-Reply-To: <49C585C7.4060309@lazarusid.com> References: <80324a260903211429p5e2b4df0p513765c1ed3f36b1@mail.gmail.com> <49C585C7.4060309@lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <80324a260903211912v4f971b77mb81c8c75d1654ef5@mail.gmail.com> I just looked at Zend_Auth and it looks good. I can live with the bloat as hardware is cheap. It also looks like you can do without the MVC part which is perfect for my application as the front end is 100% javascript and the PHP part will only generate json. The only downside is learning yet another framework, good for the resume though I guess. David On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Clay Dowling wrote: > David Singer wrote: >> I am working on a PHP application that requires user authentication. >> >> I was wondering if anyone had experience with a good PHP >> authentication library (or a library that could be wrapped into a PHP >> class). >> > I haven't used it, but Zend_Auth meets all of your requirements. ?The > Zend library is kind of heavy-weight, but it mostly works. > > Clay > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From marshal at freedombi.com Sun Mar 22 01:08:50 2009 From: marshal at freedombi.com (Marshal Newrock) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 01:08:50 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] PHP Authentication Frameworks In-Reply-To: <80324a260903211912v4f971b77mb81c8c75d1654ef5@mail.gmail.com> References: <80324a260903211429p5e2b4df0p513765c1ed3f36b1@mail.gmail.com> <49C585C7.4060309@lazarusid.com> <80324a260903211912v4f971b77mb81c8c75d1654ef5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090322010850.26e9f003@osiris> All in all, I'm not sure calling Zend Framework a framework is really accurate. It's more just a bunch of libraries, which you can, for the most part, pick and choose which bits you want to use. Marshal On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 22:12:42 -0400 David Singer wrote: > I just looked at Zend_Auth and it looks good. I can live with the > bloat as hardware is cheap. It also looks like you can do without the > MVC part which is perfect for my application as the front end is 100% > javascript and the PHP part will only generate json. > > The only downside is learning yet another framework, good for the > resume though I guess. > > David > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Clay Dowling > wrote: > > David Singer wrote: > >> I am working on a PHP application that requires user > >> authentication. > >> > >> I was wondering if anyone had experience with a good PHP > >> authentication library (or a library that could be wrapped into a > >> PHP class). > >> > > I haven't used it, but Zend_Auth meets all of your requirements. > > ?The Zend library is kind of heavy-weight, but it mostly works. > > > > Clay > > _______________________________________________ > > linux-user mailing list > > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -- Marshal Newrock 517-679-0699 x223 FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For example, I run version of the Postgres database that I built myself so that I could control where it lives, what options it has, etc. I used the startup script from Mandriva and it works fine on every distro that I run except Suse. I have done a little bit of playing with both opensuse and the enterprise version. There doesn't seem to be radical differences between them, there is just more commercial software in the enterprise version. If your software works on opensuse I suspect that you will have few if any issues porting to the enterprise version. Marcus Rademacher wrote: > My company makes software products, and we need to test on multiple > platforms. Most of our Linux customers use either Red Hat Enterprise > Linux or SUSE Enterprise Linux. We have RHEL in house, but we'd like > to get SUSE as well. I'm aware of CentOS, and that it is virtually the > same OS as RHEL but without Red Hat trademarks. Is there such a > distribution for SUSE Ent. Linux? openSUSE isn't what I'm looking for > here, but something that's a CentOS-like entity, but for SUSE > Enterprise Linux. > > Marcus > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From b.w.barker at smokejive.net Mon Mar 23 14:21:06 2009 From: b.w.barker at smokejive.net (Brent Barker) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:21:06 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] question about penguicon Message-ID: <3a8ddab90903231121t7338ed41o1581faaf285fe328@mail.gmail.com> Quick question about Penguicon. How packed usually is the Penguin Pit, the place where volunteers are allowed to sleep for free? Can I plan on it having space for me? --Brent From rexykik at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 14:39:11 2009 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:39:11 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] question about penguicon In-Reply-To: <3a8ddab90903231121t7338ed41o1581faaf285fe328@mail.gmail.com> References: <3a8ddab90903231121t7338ed41o1581faaf285fe328@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <984d708a0903231139x6a53488fv2ca0c6c1fbff95a4@mail.gmail.com> >From Chuck Child: "If you do at least an hour of work every day, you can share the Penguin Pit, our official volunteer sleeping space. There's a room for guys and another room for gals. Storage is at your own risk. Ask me or Ops for the key when you're ready to get in." Volunteer to babysit the GLLUG lab! On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Brent Barker wrote: > Quick question about Penguicon. How packed usually is the Penguin Pit, > the place where volunteers are allowed to sleep for free? Can I plan > on it having space for me? > > ?--Brent > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From clay at lazarusid.com Mon Mar 23 15:55:10 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:55:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] question about penguicon In-Reply-To: <3a8ddab90903231121t7338ed41o1581faaf285fe328@mail.gmail.com> References: <3a8ddab90903231121t7338ed41o1581faaf285fe328@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I don't think anybody in our group has experience with the Penguin Pit. We've slept 4 and 5 to a room before, and that works out okay. But I think the Penguin Pit will make that look pretty spacious. Probably better to find somebody to go in on a room with. Clay On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Brent Barker wrote: > Quick question about Penguicon. How packed usually is the Penguin Pit, > the place where volunteers are allowed to sleep for free? Can I plan > on it having space for me? > > --Brent > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From c.e.tower at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 19:57:04 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:57:04 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] question about penguicon In-Reply-To: References: <3a8ddab90903231121t7338ed41o1581faaf285fe328@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C821D0.4080807@gmail.com> And hurry if that's what you want to do. The room block is almost full, if it isn't already full. For some reason, the hotel gave us a maximum number of rooms; I suspect that just means the max number that can get the Penguicon rate, but that anyone can rent any remaining rooms. Chick Clay Dowling wrote: > I don't think anybody in our group has experience with the Penguin Pit. > We've slept 4 and 5 to a room before, and that works out okay. But I > think the Penguin Pit will make that look pretty spacious. Probably > better to find somebody to go in on a room with. > > Clay > > On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Brent Barker wrote: > >> Quick question about Penguicon. How packed usually is the Penguin Pit, >> the place where volunteers are allowed to sleep for free? Can I plan >> on it having space for me? >> >> --Brent From psmith.gllug at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 12:50:16 2009 From: psmith.gllug at gmail.com (Peter Smith) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:50:16 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] question about penguicon In-Reply-To: <49C821D0.4080807@gmail.com> References: <3a8ddab90903231121t7338ed41o1581faaf285fe328@mail.gmail.com> <49C821D0.4080807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <12df8d4f0903240950l743d776at186e27c08cf2aa76@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > And hurry if that's what you want to do. The room block is almost full, > if it isn't already full. For some reason, the hotel gave us a maximum > number of rooms; I suspect that just means the max number that can get > the Penguicon rate, but that anyone can rent any remaining rooms. Nope, there ARE no other rooms in the hotel that are available to be rented by con goers, other than thru the con. The max was given because the hotel has a standing commitment for pilots and such for the top N floors of the hotel. ANY other hotel reservations will end up going to our hotel liason for room allocation. Even if you call Corp HQ and have a room 'reserved'; if it's not on the con's list, you won't get it. At the GLLUG meeting last week, someone (so many new faces...well, okay, 'new' means 'since we left the sandwich shop' to me) informed us that his reservation was the last one; so the Crowne is sold out. We DO have an overflow hotel, and it IS the one right next door, soo....still lots of room. The Pit? It's...cozy at times. I'd bring a sleeping bag and you'll be sure to get some space, though. If there existed a situation where there was literally NO room to sleep, you'd be found a place. -- Peter Smith psmith.gllug at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090324/58eb9618/attachment.html From b.w.barker at smokejive.net Tue Mar 24 15:12:14 2009 From: b.w.barker at smokejive.net (Brent Barker) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:12:14 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] question about penguicon In-Reply-To: <12df8d4f0903240950l743d776at186e27c08cf2aa76@mail.gmail.com> References: <3a8ddab90903231121t7338ed41o1581faaf285fe328@mail.gmail.com> <49C821D0.4080807@gmail.com> <12df8d4f0903240950l743d776at186e27c08cf2aa76@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a8ddab90903241212sde93df6m8a27dc6be6b7f36e@mail.gmail.com> Alrighty. This makes up my mind to go for the Pit. Now how do I sign up to work the Computer Lounge? Is there anything more to do than submitting the form on the website, regarding volunteering (and specifying that I want the Lounge)? Thanks, Brent On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Peter Smith wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Chick Tower wrote: >> >> And hurry if that's what you want to do. ?The room block is almost full, >> if it isn't already full. ?For some reason, the hotel gave us a maximum >> number of rooms; I suspect that just means the max number that can get >> the Penguicon rate, but that anyone can rent any remaining rooms. > > Nope, there ARE no other rooms in the hotel that are available to be rented > by con goers, other than thru the con. The max was given because the hotel > has a standing commitment for pilots and such for the top N floors of the > hotel. ANY other hotel reservations will end up going to our hotel liason > for room allocation. Even if you call Corp HQ and have a room 'reserved'; if > it's not on the con's list, you won't get it. > > At the GLLUG meeting last week, someone (so many new faces...well, okay, > 'new' means 'since we left the sandwich shop' to me) informed us that his > reservation was the last one; so the Crowne is sold out. We DO have an > overflow hotel, and it IS the one right next door, soo....still lots of > room. > > The Pit? It's...cozy at times. I'd bring a sleeping bag and you'll be sure > to get some space, though. If there existed a situation where there was > literally NO room to sleep, you'd be found a place. > > > -- > Peter Smith > psmith.gllug at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > From mortel at cyber-nos.com Tue Mar 24 16:31:27 2009 From: mortel at cyber-nos.com (Stanley C. Mortel) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:31:27 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] question about penguicon In-Reply-To: <3a8ddab90903241212sde93df6m8a27dc6be6b7f36e@mail.gmail.com> References: <3a8ddab90903231121t7338ed41o1581faaf285fe328@mail.gmail.com> <49C821D0.4080807@gmail.com> <12df8d4f0903240950l743d776at186e27c08cf2aa76@mail.gmail.com> <3a8ddab90903241212sde93df6m8a27dc6be6b7f36e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C9431F.4010402@cyber-nos.com> Don't use the volunteer signup on the web site. Well, not for the computer lounge anyway. Our signup is separate and will happen as soon as possible after the Con event schedule comes out. Stan Brent Barker wrote: > Alrighty. This makes up my mind to go for the Pit. Now how do I sign > up to work the Computer Lounge? Is there anything more to do than > submitting the form on the website, regarding volunteering (and > specifying that I want the Lounge)? > > Thanks, > Brent > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Peter Smith wrote: > >> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Chick Tower wrote: >> >>> And hurry if that's what you want to do. The room block is almost full, >>> if it isn't already full. For some reason, the hotel gave us a maximum >>> number of rooms; I suspect that just means the max number that can get >>> the Penguicon rate, but that anyone can rent any remaining rooms. >>> >> Nope, there ARE no other rooms in the hotel that are available to be rented >> by con goers, other than thru the con. The max was given because the hotel >> has a standing commitment for pilots and such for the top N floors of the >> hotel. ANY other hotel reservations will end up going to our hotel liason >> for room allocation. Even if you call Corp HQ and have a room 'reserved'; if >> it's not on the con's list, you won't get it. >> >> At the GLLUG meeting last week, someone (so many new faces...well, okay, >> 'new' means 'since we left the sandwich shop' to me) informed us that his >> reservation was the last one; so the Crowne is sold out. We DO have an >> overflow hotel, and it IS the one right next door, soo....still lots of >> room. >> >> The Pit? It's...cozy at times. I'd bring a sleeping bag and you'll be sure >> to get some space, though. If there existed a situation where there was >> literally NO room to sleep, you'd be found a place. >> >> >> -- >> Peter Smith >> psmith.gllug at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've added your name to my list of people to annoy once the Penguicon panel schedule is released. :) Thanks! Charles -- http://bityard.net From psmith.gllug at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 15:36:45 2009 From: psmith.gllug at gmail.com (Peter Smith) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:36:45 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Why RAID 5 stops working in 2009 Message-ID: <12df8d4f0903251236m2eb72b52y8087b5b84bd49b8@mail.gmail.com> I mentioned this article/idea at the post-meeting activities last week. The original post is at http://blogs.zdnet.com/storage/?p=162 from July 18, 2007. A nice commentary on/against it is at http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/10/23/death-of-raid-predicted-film-at-11/ The basic premise is thus: The unrecoverable read error (URE) rate for SATA drives is generally documented at 10^14. About 12 TB. When we hit 2TB Drives, there's a problem. With a 7 drive RAID 5 disk failure, you're left with six 2TB drives to rebuild the replaced 'dead' drive. That's about 12 TB. So, um, that means you'll have a URE while recovering, and the recovery will shut down and tell you to restore from backups. So you go to RAID 6, which becomes the new RAID 5. :) For a while, and REQUIRED to have safety from one disk failure. That's the premise. I found the commentary AFTER the meeting, and it solved the one problem *I* had with it (that a failure rate of one in 10^14 over a sample size of 10^14 isn't 100%) that I didn't get around to quantifying with math. But, I thought i'd post it anyhow, since I offered to do so. :) Discuss among yourselves. -- Peter Smith psmith.gllug at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When we hit 2TB > Drives, there's a problem. With a 7 drive RAID 5 disk failure, you're left > with six 2TB drives to rebuild the replaced 'dead' drive. That's about 12 > TB. So, um, that means you'll have a URE while recovering, and the > recovery will shut down and tell you to restore from backups. > > So you go to RAID 6, which becomes the new RAID 5. :) For a while, and > REQUIRED to have safety from one disk failure. > > That's the premise. I found the commentary AFTER the meeting, and it > solved > the one problem *I* had with it (that a failure rate of one in 10^14 over > a > sample size of 10^14 isn't 100%) that I didn't get around to quantifying > with math. > > But, I thought i'd post it anyhow, since I offered to do so. :) Discuss > among yourselves. If I understand the article correctly, the author relies on the assumption that as disk capacities rise, the average failure rate per GB (or however you care to measure capacity) will stay the same. The former will eventually catch up to the latter at some unspecified point in 2009 whereupon the earth explodes and takes all of known civilization with it, without the help of even a single vogon. Even if you allow for the moment that measuring disk failures in terms of disk size is a good idea, you need to also take into consideration that the failure rate, when measured this way, will decrease inversely to disk capacity. Hard disk manufacturers are very keenly interested in keeping the average failure rate of their products low--or at least keeping it from rising--on a year-by-year basis. Thus, I would bet that if you found in 1999 that 5% of all new disks failed within one year (for example), roughly the same percentage would hold in 2009. If the failure rate kept rising, the company's expenses would increase, the accountants would get all tense, and shareholders would start pulling out. That's a pretty strong incentive for management to keep the failure rate steady, even if it means beating down the marketing department every now and again. And honestly, when you start making RAID 5 arrays out of 6 or 7 disks, you're already on shaky ground as far as redundancy is concerned. That has always been the case. Charles -- http://bityard.net From dand at zifferent.net Thu Mar 26 12:30:19 2009 From: dand at zifferent.net (Dan DeSloover) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon Brewing Panel Message-ID: <44365.10.1.1.111.1238085019.squirrel@www.zifferent.net> I've signed up to do a brewing panel at Penguicon this year. Ya know bring in a bunch of equipment and wow the crowd with my knowledge or lack thereof, and was curious if anyone here wanted to help out with it to fill in the gaps and share anecdotes, that kind of thing. ---- Dan DeSloover dand at zifferent.net From clay at lazarusid.com Thu Mar 26 16:09:15 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:09:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon Brewing Panel In-Reply-To: <44365.10.1.1.111.1238085019.squirrel@www.zifferent.net> References: <44365.10.1.1.111.1238085019.squirrel@www.zifferent.net> Message-ID: I'd be interested in helping, provided timing works out. I'm somewhat committed to beef from 2 to 8, although there will probably be some openings in there. Clay On Thu, 26 Mar 2009, Dan DeSloover wrote: > I've signed up to do a brewing panel at Penguicon this year. Ya know bring > in a bunch of equipment and wow the crowd with my knowledge or lack > thereof, and was curious if anyone here wanted to help out with it to fill > in the gaps and share anecdotes, that kind of thing. > > ---- > Dan DeSloover > dand at zifferent.net > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From psmith.gllug at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 13:26:14 2009 From: psmith.gllug at gmail.com (Peter Smith) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:26:14 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Arch Linux - Request for Comment Message-ID: <12df8d4f0903271026p677b0281pe6c06fa5eebc0f86@mail.gmail.com> A coworker, currently Debian but a Slackwarer in his heart, was wondering if anyone had any personal experience with Arch Linux that they'd like to relate. Just the general sorts of things; usability, problems, activity, updatedness... He's very much a Haskell user and there's a lot of distro and community support between these two, so he's leaning towards it, and insight is always more useful from people than blogs. :) -- Peter Smith psmith.gllug at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090327/88347624/attachment.html From jkl714 at comcast.net Fri Mar 27 14:29:22 2009 From: jkl714 at comcast.net (John Lewis) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:29:22 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Liniux on an old Sun Ultra 2 In-Reply-To: <12df8d4f0903271026p677b0281pe6c06fa5eebc0f86@mail.gmail.com> References: <12df8d4f0903271026p677b0281pe6c06fa5eebc0f86@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <017301c9af09$f48170e0$dd8452a0$@net> What would be the best (easiest to install and use) linux distro for an old Sun Ultra 2? Also every time I've tried to do a linux install on this thing it hangs when discovering optical drives, even though it's using the built in default cd drive. Any suggestions? Got to keep the loonies on the path -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090327/1936776a/attachment.html From clay at lazarusid.com Fri Mar 27 16:04:36 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:04:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Liniux on an old Sun Ultra 2 In-Reply-To: <017301c9af09$f48170e0$dd8452a0$@net> References: <12df8d4f0903271026p677b0281pe6c06fa5eebc0f86@mail.gmail.com> <017301c9af09$f48170e0$dd8452a0$@net> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Mar 2009, John Lewis wrote: > What would be the best (easiest to install and use) linux distro for an old > Sun Ultra 2? Also every time I've tried to do a linux install on this thing > it hangs when discovering optical drives, even though it's using the built > in default cd drive. Any suggestions? OpenBSD. I installed it on my Ultra Sparc and it was very straight forward. If you're not worried about the desktop this is nearly ideal. Good assortment of server software available and secure out of the box. Clay From currentlyunnameddj at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 17:45:10 2009 From: currentlyunnameddj at gmail.com (Ariel Lonchar) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:45:10 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] OT: Beef not for Penguicon Message-ID: <93f068b10903271445j39cbfe59se7babd2c529a8f@mail.gmail.com> Hey guys, Just so you know, I have a line on quarter and half cows for sale. I don't know when the next run to slaughter will be, but the prices at last run were 1.80 a pound plus processing. So if anyone would be interested in splitting a quarter (or half), I'll find out more info on when the next run will be and the approximate cost. ~Ari~ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090327/e1dcda1d/attachment.html From c.e.tower at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 17:52:44 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:52:44 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Arch Linux - Request for Comment In-Reply-To: <12df8d4f0903271026p677b0281pe6c06fa5eebc0f86@mail.gmail.com> References: <12df8d4f0903271026p677b0281pe6c06fa5eebc0f86@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CD4AAC.3090704@gmail.com> I'm a Slackware user, Peter, but I installed Arch on a laptop to play with it. Pacman, the package manager, is very fast, much faster than I've ever experienced Synaptic to be under versions of Ubuntu, but perhaps that's a difference between CLI and GUI apps. I'm surprised at how many packages have updates every week; I don't run Slackware-current, so maybe that has a lot, too. I know Arch is supposed to be stable, but their version of Firefox, called Gran Paradiso, sometimes crashes or closes inexplicably. (No error messages; it just disappears.) There is a lot of help available in their forums and wiki, and I like it's simplicity, similar to Slackware and (from what I understand) the BSDs. I haven't used it a lot, but it's fun learning new distros, as long as they work. I am not a fan of Ubuntu. Those who want a Windows-type experience will not be happy with Arch. Arch gives you a very stripped, non-X, basis to which you easily add what you need to make what you want your OS to be, similar to FreeBSD. There have been a lot of on-line reviews of Arch in the last few months that have been featured on Linux Today, so I imagine Distrowatch will have several to choose from. All have been favorable. Chick Peter Smith wrote: > A coworker, currently Debian but a Slackwarer in his heart, was > wondering if anyone had any personal experience with Arch Linux that > they'd like to relate. Just the general sorts of things; usability, > problems, activity, updatedness... > > He's very much a Haskell user and there's a lot of distro and community > support between these two, so he's leaning towards it, and insight is > always more useful from people than blogs. :) > > -- > Peter Smith > psmith.gllug at gmail.com From audiotech50 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 14:59:16 2009 From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:59:16 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] The First Linux Botnet Message-ID: I had seen SOME coverage of this, but this is the first full article that I have seen on the subject (it's been out a week)--though you must consider the source. Larry Seltzer seems a bit of a Windows apologist in my recollection... But I digress. The meat of the matter to my moldy (mouldy?) bread is here: "The First Linux Botnet" The article comments are interesting, too. ~~ Michael Rudas From david at ramaboo.com Tue Mar 31 15:25:16 2009 From: david at ramaboo.com (David Singer) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:25:16 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Storing other and none in a relational database Message-ID: <80324a260903311225v417decaaq6f5595df4aabaf4f@mail.gmail.com> I have a bit of a problem with an application I am designing. I was hopping someone on the list might have a brilliant idea for a work around. *Overview *My application lets users enter data in the form of drop down boxes (html select). These are generated from a database table where the value of each option is the primary key of the table and the value displayed to the user is the name column. For example this is the table of brands. brand_id name 1 Apple 2 Dell 3 Gateway 4 IBM etc... This part is simple enough. The code reads the database and generates the html markup to make the drop down select. The problem is I want to add the option to select None or Other. I have tried a few solutions but none seem to work well. *Option #1 *I could add none and other to my brands table like this: brand_id (pk) name 1 Apple 2 Dell 3 Gateway 4 IBM 5 Other 6 None The problem with this approach is I always want None (if present) displayed first and Other (if present) displayed last. The only way I can figure to do this is with some overly complex SQL or some post database data reordering. More problematic though is with other tables I am going to have different values for None and Other (the primary key is an autonumber). These values need to be consistant so that client side javascript can promt the user for additional information if Other is selected. *Option #2 *I could leave the table alone and add in None and Other before the data is presented to the user. I could then use constants like None = 2147483646 and Other = 2147483647 (values that will never resonably be reached).This aproach makes client side scripting easier however it also means storing invalid data as foriegn keys in my table. It also seems unelagent somehow. For example my computers table would look like this. computer_id (pk) brand_id (fk) name 1 1 Macbook 2 4 Thinkpad 3 2147483647 Homemade Computer (assuming the user selected other as a brand for #3). *Option #3 *Store None and Other as negative numbers. This would still mean invalid forigne keys but it has the added benifit that an additional table could be created for other values like this: other_id name 1 None 2 Other 3 Davids Workshop On the client side when someone selected other from a drop down list javascript could be used to replace it with a text box and then whatever the user entered could be added to the others table and stored as a negative number in the computers table. That way any negitive forign key would be redirected to the others table. its a huge hack but i think ti would work though it would mean doing some things in PHP rather than SQL so preformance would probebly be limited (or very complex sql). Any other ideas? I don't really like any of these solutions they are just what iv come up with so far. David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090331/2396c868/attachment.html From c.e.tower at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 17:51:17 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:51:17 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Slashdot Weirdness In-Reply-To: <80324a260903311225v417decaaq6f5595df4aabaf4f@mail.gmail.com> References: <80324a260903311225v417decaaq6f5595df4aabaf4f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D29055.9070409@gmail.com> Has anyone else noticed that Slashdot's format has changed the last couple of days? Now when I look at the main page the tags are arranged vertically, so there's a lot of white space between articles, enough so that I can only see one article per screen. I haven't upgraded Firefox since mid-March, and I don't think I've made any other changes that would affect how Slashdot looks. That's the only website I've noticed a change in. Chick From jkl714 at comcast.net Tue Mar 31 18:43:30 2009 From: jkl714 at comcast.net (John Lewis) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:43:30 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Slashdot Weirdness In-Reply-To: <49D29055.9070409@gmail.com> References: <80324a260903311225v417decaaq6f5595df4aabaf4f@mail.gmail.com> <49D29055.9070409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000f01c9b252$1e64ba70$5b2e2f50$@net> I don't know what's going on with it, I noticed it the other day. Now it seems to be back to normal though. Got to keep the loonies on the path > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-user-bounces at egr.msu.edu [mailto:linux-user- > bounces at egr.msu.edu] On Behalf Of Chick Tower > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 5:51 PM > To: GLLUG > Subject: [GLLUG] Slashdot Weirdness > > Has anyone else noticed that Slashdot's format has changed the last > couple of days? Now when I look at the main page the tags are arranged > vertically, so there's a lot of white space between articles, enough so > that I can only see one article per screen. I haven't upgraded Firefox > since mid-March, and I don't think I've made any other changes that > would affect how Slashdot looks. That's the only website I've noticed > a > change in. > > Chick > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.35/2033 - Release Date: > 03/31/09 13:05:00 From charles at bityard.net Tue Mar 31 18:56:16 2009 From: charles at bityard.net (charles at bityard.net) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] Slashdot Weirdness In-Reply-To: <000f01c9b252$1e64ba70$5b2e2f50$@net> References: <80324a260903311225v417decaaq6f5595df4aabaf4f@mail.gmail.com> <49D29055.9070409@gmail.com> <000f01c9b252$1e64ba70$5b2e2f50$@net> Message-ID: <35280.72.52.190.38.1238540176.squirrel@host.bityard.net> Yesterday there was an article stating that the developers have been "working hard on the new dynamic Slashdot project." Chances are, you caught it while they were testing and/or breaking something. http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/30/136258 On Tue, March 31, 2009 6:43 pm, John Lewis wrote: > I don't know what's going on with it, I noticed it the other day. Now it > seems to be back to normal though. > > > > Got to keep the loonies on the path > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: linux-user-bounces at egr.msu.edu [mailto:linux-user- >> bounces at egr.msu.edu] On Behalf Of Chick Tower >> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 5:51 PM >> To: GLLUG >> Subject: [GLLUG] Slashdot Weirdness >> >> Has anyone else noticed that Slashdot's format has changed the last >> couple of days? Now when I look at the main page the tags are arranged >> vertically, so there's a lot of white space between articles, enough so >> that I can only see one article per screen. I haven't upgraded Firefox >> since mid-March, and I don't think I've made any other changes that >> would affect how Slashdot looks. That's the only website I've noticed >> a >> change in. >> >> Chick >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.35/2033 - Release Date: >> 03/31/09 13:05:00 > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -- http://bityard.net From charles at bityard.net Tue Mar 31 19:58:38 2009 From: charles at bityard.net (charles at bityard.net) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] Storing other and none in a relational database In-Reply-To: <80324a260903311225v417decaaq6f5595df4aabaf4f@mail.gmail.com> References: <80324a260903311225v417decaaq6f5595df4aabaf4f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49138.72.52.190.38.1238543918.squirrel@host.bityard.net> On Tue, March 31, 2009 3:25 pm, David Singer wrote: > I have a bit of a problem with an application I am designing. I was > hopping > someone on the list might have a brilliant idea for a work around. > > *Overview > *My application lets users enter data in the form of drop down boxes (html > select). These are generated from a database table where the value of each > option is the primary key of the table and the value displayed to the user > is the name column. For example this is the table of brands. > > brand_id name > 1 Apple > 2 Dell > 3 Gateway > 4 IBM > etc... > > This part is simple enough. The code reads the database and generates the > html markup to make the drop down select. The problem is I want to add the > option to select None or Other. I have tried a few solutions but none seem > to work well. > > *Option #1 > *I could add none and other to my brands table like this: > brand_id (pk) name > 1 Apple > 2 Dell > 3 Gateway > 4 IBM > 5 Other > 6 None > > The problem with this approach is I always want None (if present) > displayed > first and Other (if present) displayed last. The only way I can figure to > do > this is with some overly complex SQL or some post database data > reordering. > More problematic though is with other tables I am going to have different > values for None and Other (the primary key is an autonumber). These values > need to be consistant so that client side javascript can promt the user > for > additional information if Other is selected. > > *Option #2 > *I could leave the table alone and add in None and Other before the data > is > presented to the user. I could then use constants like None = 2147483646 > and Other = 2147483647 (values that will never resonably be reached).This > aproach makes client side scripting easier however it also means storing > invalid data as foriegn keys in my table. It also seems unelagent somehow. > For example my computers table would look like this. > > computer_id (pk) brand_id (fk) name > 1 1 Macbook > 2 4 Thinkpad > 3 2147483647 Homemade > Computer > > (assuming the user selected other as a brand for #3). > > *Option #3 > *Store None and Other as negative numbers. This would still mean invalid > forigne keys but it has the added benifit that an additional table could > be > created for other values like this: > > other_id name > 1 None > 2 Other > 3 Davids Workshop > > On the client side when someone selected other from a drop down list > javascript could be used to replace it with a text box and then whatever > the > user entered could be added to the others table and stored as a negative > number in the computers table. That way any negitive forign key would be > redirected to the others table. its a huge hack but i think ti would work > though it would mean doing some things in PHP rather than SQL so > preformance > would probebly be limited (or very complex sql). > > Any other ideas? I don't really like any of these solutions they are just > what iv come up with so far. The most straightforward way to handle it in the code is to only present the "more info" fields whenever the word 'Other' is returned from the query (or selected in the drop-down box). That way you don't have to do anything special in the database. You can also use constants in your programming language to identify the primary key value (PHP shown): define('NONE', 1); define('OTHER', 2); Either way, I recommend inserting the 'None' and 'Other' records immediately after the table is created so that you always know the primary key value of those two records. If you want to be overly pedantic, you can add a third column to the table, a boolean called 'more_info'. When it's 1, the user needs to enter more info. It's a little inefficient though, because only one record in the whole table will ever be 0. Using hacks in a field with AUTO_INCREMENT set will eventually cause immense grief. For example, if you use mysqldump to back up the database, it will preserve the sequence of the records but not the values in the auto-increment field. Charles -- http://bityard.net From charles at bityard.net Tue Mar 31 20:11:23 2009 From: charles at bityard.net (charles at bityard.net) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GLLUG] Storing other and none in a relational database In-Reply-To: <49138.72.52.190.38.1238543918.squirrel@host.bityard.net> References: <80324a260903311225v417decaaq6f5595df4aabaf4f@mail.gmail.com> <49138.72.52.190.38.1238543918.squirrel@host.bityard.net> Message-ID: <43604.72.52.190.38.1238544683.squirrel@host.bityard.net> > Either way, I recommend inserting the 'None' and 'Other' records > immediately after the table is created so that you always know the primary > key value of those two records. I accidentally skipped over the part where you said you want None to always be first and Other to always be last. Probably the only solution there is to do some "manual" sorting in the code if it's an absolute requirement. Charles -- http://bityard.net From c.e.tower at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 23:06:36 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:06:36 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Slashdot Weirdness In-Reply-To: <35280.72.52.190.38.1238540176.squirrel@host.bityard.net> References: <80324a260903311225v417decaaq6f5595df4aabaf4f@mail.gmail.com> <49D29055.9070409@gmail.com> <000f01c9b252$1e64ba70$5b2e2f50$@net> <35280.72.52.190.38.1238540176.squirrel@host.bityard.net> Message-ID: <49D2DA3C.2050905@gmail.com> Yeah, I saw that story and glanced through the comments to see if anyone else had the same problem. It affected me for two days, if I recall correctly, including this afternoon, but it seems normal now. Chick charles at bityard.net wrote: > Yesterday there was an article stating that the developers have been > "working hard on the new dynamic Slashdot project." Chances are, you > caught it while they were testing and/or breaking something. > > http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/30/136258 >