From c.e.tower at gmail.com Fri May 1 00:11:30 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 00:11:30 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] On-line Schedule Message-ID: <49FA7672.70407@gmail.com> I've published the schedule I have so far on Google Docs at http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=rXw6SAInxeiWaBU1eGhLLcw Please examine it if you've told me when you want to work, as I've made some changes because people chose duplicate times. Also, if you can offer to fill in some of the blank spots, I would appreciate it. Our target now is to have one person in the lounge, so please ignore the "tech" position for now. I guess you can have the prestige of being the tech with nobody in the security position, if you feel the need. Please don't forget that we need help packing up at noon on Sunday. And, for those of you who already have offered their time, thank you! -- Chick From charles at bityard.net Fri May 1 01:47:46 2009 From: charles at bityard.net (Charles) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 01:47:46 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] On-line Schedule In-Reply-To: <49FA7672.70407@gmail.com> References: <49FA7672.70407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49FA8D02.1010600@bityard.net> To anyone who's looked at this and got a bit worried that they're not on it or got moved to a drastically different shift, don't panic just yet. :) Chick and I are sorting it out. Charles Chick Tower wrote: > I've published the schedule I have so far on Google Docs at > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=rXw6SAInxeiWaBU1eGhLLcw > > Please examine it if you've told me when you want to work, as I've made > some changes because people chose duplicate times. Also, if you can > offer to fill in some of the blank spots, I would appreciate it. Our > target now is to have one person in the lounge, so please ignore the > "tech" position for now. I guess you can have the prestige of being the > tech with nobody in the security position, if you feel the need. > > Please don't forget that we need help packing up at noon on Sunday. > And, for those of you who already have offered their time, thank you! -- http://bityard.net From c.e.tower at gmail.com Fri May 1 22:47:44 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Charles Tower) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 22:47:44 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] The Ultimate Authority for All Time! Message-ID: I don't know if it will do any good, as Penguicon attendees may not be checking their e-mail while in attendance, but here's the one place you should be checking to see the schedule of volunteers in the computer lounge. No print-outs or other web pages. http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=rXw6SAInxeiWaBU1eGhLLcw Thank you. That is all. Feel free to return to your pathetic pursuits of pleasure. -- Chick From clay at lazarusid.com Mon May 4 09:17:37 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 08:17:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Zen Cart Message-ID: I've got a customer requesting that I integrate my company's desktop POS software with Zen Cart. Am I correct in remembering that Zen Cart is also a POS, using both definitions of that acronym? Clay From psmith.gllug at gmail.com Mon May 4 12:10:20 2009 From: psmith.gllug at gmail.com (Peter Smith) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 12:10:20 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Zen Cart In-Reply-To: <12df8d4f0905040907u1ad08132v284a1f814bb28e9f@mail.gmail.com> References: <12df8d4f0905040907u1ad08132v284a1f814bb28e9f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <12df8d4f0905040910i44fc8354p360c7db1f29cfd7@mail.gmail.com> Point of sale...well, I've always thought of POS in that sense as being what runs a physical cash register in a retail outlet. Zen Cart (http://www.zen-cart.com/) is an online store app (yeah, I know you know, issa CART word in Zen Cart) and a branch of osCommerce (http://www.oscommerce.com), so it runs an online store. osCommerce has been branched a few times, and I think CRE Loaded (http://www.creloaded.com) is probably the best of the branch, IMHO. Zen went kinda weird, and you can't just import in the osC templates, like you can with CREL. The other POS...osCommerce is table-based, not CSS-based. That's enough to qualify it for me. :) I played with it a bit in 2006 when the 1.3 branch came out, for a friend who was trying to sell a few crafty things and was already deep into Joomla; she ended up just going with an eBay store and hard links in and out, because changing the graphics around were just too tedious, and she was getting too impatient to try anything else. :) -- Peter Smith psmith.gllug at gmail.com From david at ramaboo.com Mon May 4 12:20:36 2009 From: david at ramaboo.com (David Singer) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 12:20:36 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Zen Cart In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <80324a260905040920g3be44ffeufdbf650a7344947c@mail.gmail.com> Go with Magento On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Clay Dowling wrote: > I've got a customer requesting that I integrate my company's desktop POS > software with Zen Cart. ?Am I correct in remembering that Zen Cart is also > a POS, using both definitions of that acronym? > > Clay > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From c.e.tower at gmail.com Mon May 4 12:54:31 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 12:54:31 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Heading down the stretch to Penguicon 7.0.... In-Reply-To: <5a2d44a90904241750g49a7a3b8n34cc1075fccc7c5e@mail.gmail.com> References: <12df8d4f0904241656n58f288b2h4bfb449c6dbe9aa@mail.gmail.com> <5a2d44a90904241750g49a7a3b8n34cc1075fccc7c5e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49FF1DC7.3050800@gmail.com> Great! Perhaps we'll see you at some meetings???? Thanks for your help at the Brazilian beef cook-out, Trevor. I didn't know who you were other than some guy named Trevor, who I thought was working in the consuite. Chick Trevor Jagoda wrote: > That tech head is subscribed to your mailing list! =P > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Peter Smith > wrote: > > ...2pm Friday is when we can start setting up; hopefully, > we're ready by 6pm for someone who needs some space (I'm not sure > how many seats; I haven't seen him, and the Tech lead won't be at > the concom meeting (but I bcc'd him on this mailing so he might get > back to me).... From c.e.tower at gmail.com Mon May 4 13:55:35 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 13:55:35 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Thanks for Your Help Message-ID: <49FF2C17.4020406@gmail.com> Thanking Trevor made me realize I hadn't publicly thanked the other people who helped at Brazilian beef and the computer lounge. So here's my list. Stan, I tried to make sure she knew it at the con, but please make sure Susan knows how critical her help was and how much I appreciated it. She kept Brazilian beef from being a complete disaster. She's still probably the only one in the area who knows how to tear and slice apart a whole top sirloin. I had hoped to learn how myself this weekend, but other things kept interfering and I didn't even use a knife until it was time to serve people. I still hope to learn, and I hope others do, too, so we don't lose the knowledge. I'm glad Stan hauled the computer lounge equipment in his truck, and offered to let me use it to haul charcoal from a GFS near the hotel. Clay, thank you for manning the grill those long hours. I think you're one of the few in GLLUG who know how the meat should be grilled. Granted, it wasn't perfect this year, but proper light and thicker steaks would probably take care of that. And thanks for using the promise of free beer to lure so many strangers to a party in my bedroom until the wee hours of the morning each night. Thank you for volunteering for so many of those hard-to-fill hours in the computer lounge during the middle of the night, Ariel. I'm sorry you didn't get any of the beef you garnered whuffies for. Thanks, Rick, for covering so many of the holes that appeared in the computer lounge schedule. And congratulations on winning Junkpile Wars single-handedly. You da man! Thank you to all of you who volunteered time in the computer lounge, and making sure stuff didn't walk off. And for carrying out those all-important room counts. (I decided to trim some snarky comments about that I had written here.) It appears we had an average of roughly eight users in the lounge during the convention, if I correctly recall that the total of the room counts was 1,208. Whether anyone will bother to figure out the maximum number at any one time, or other statistics useful for planning, is doubtful (OK, I couldn't resist a little sarcasm), especially because we'll probably never again see the spreadsheet used to record and add the numbers. If anyone does or did retrieve /home/gllug/visitors.ods from the server, I would appreciate having a copy of it, just in case someone actually asks for the supporting data. And thank you everyone who helped out during the cooking and serving of Brazilian beef. Frank hadn't even planned on spending the night at the hotel, but he was there until midnight slicing the cooked meat into bite-sized chunks the whole time. Andy spent hours salting meat and plating it for us, and he probably would have been out there from the start if he hadn't been serving in the computer lounge. The wife of last year's Brazilian beef organizer had told me a few months ago that I would be surprised at how many people showed up to help, and she was right. Most of them are not in GLLUG, weren't scheduled, and weren't even known by me before that night. Eric S. Raymond (as he is so often referred to in the F/OSS news) and his wife, Cathy, were outside slicing beef with us for four hours at mid-day and were back again to help grill and serve it later for several more hours. I'm sure someone with as many interests and as many demands on his time as he could have found many other things to do on Saturday. For that matter, I guess you all could. Again, thank you everyone. Despite getting about five hours of sleep at the con, and seeing only one presentation, I had a good time, or so it seems afterwards. I wouldn't want to have that much fun every weekend, however. -- Chick From clay at lazarusid.com Mon May 4 14:57:16 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 13:57:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Heading down the stretch to Penguicon 7.0.... In-Reply-To: <49FF1DC7.3050800@gmail.com> References: <12df8d4f0904241656n58f288b2h4bfb449c6dbe9aa@mail.gmail.com> <5a2d44a90904241750g49a7a3b8n34cc1075fccc7c5e@mail.gmail.com> <49FF1DC7.3050800@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 May 2009, Chick Tower wrote: > Great! Perhaps we'll see you at some meetings???? > > Thanks for your help at the Brazilian beef cook-out, Trevor. I didn't > know who you were other than some guy named Trevor, who I thought was > working in the consuite. Trevor, it would be awesome if you could make it to one of our meetings, especially the one coming up this Thursday (6:30pm, Capital Area District Library, Main Branch: http://www.cadl.org/news/locations/ at location #1). You worked the grill all day, your feedback in our post-mortem would be really useful. Clay From trevor.jagoda at gmail.com Mon May 4 15:18:17 2009 From: trevor.jagoda at gmail.com (Trevor Jagoda) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 15:18:17 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Heading down the stretch to Penguicon 7.0.... In-Reply-To: References: <12df8d4f0904241656n58f288b2h4bfb449c6dbe9aa@mail.gmail.com> <5a2d44a90904241750g49a7a3b8n34cc1075fccc7c5e@mail.gmail.com> <49FF1DC7.3050800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5a2d44a90905041218v69eefd88nbc893fbceb210c7a@mail.gmail.com> Your meeting location is roughly 120 miles away from me - I'll see what I can do. Trevor On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Clay Dowling wrote: > On Mon, 4 May 2009, Chick Tower wrote: > > Great! Perhaps we'll see you at some meetings???? >> >> Thanks for your help at the Brazilian beef cook-out, Trevor. I didn't >> know who you were other than some guy named Trevor, who I thought was >> working in the consuite. >> > > Trevor, it would be awesome if you could make it to one of our meetings, > especially the one coming up this Thursday (6:30pm, Capital Area District > Library, Main Branch: http://www.cadl.org/news/locations/ at location #1). > You worked the grill all day, your feedback in our post-mortem would be > really useful. > > Clay > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090504/344cf071/attachment.html From rick at divinesymphony.net Mon May 4 19:18:26 2009 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 19:18:26 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Thanks for Your Help In-Reply-To: <49FF2C17.4020406@gmail.com> References: <49FF2C17.4020406@gmail.com> Message-ID: > And congratulations on winning Junkpile Wars single-handedly. You da man! Just to clear up a few misconceptions, I only thought I was going to be doing this one solo. Nima Khazaei (GLLUG non-member, one of our new assurers) was also without a team and I invited him to join (what's the point of multiple one-man teams, anyhow?). Nima was particularly helpful with hunting and pecking through the hardware to find the right parts, gathering diagnostics, etc. Ben also joined us at the end of the competition and was quite helpful in getting past our only major stumbling block. I think we were stuck for nearly an hour on that Kerberos+DNS problem. > Thank you to all of you who volunteered time in the computer lounge, and making sure stuff didn't walk off. And for carrying out those all-important room counts. . . . Whether anyone will bother to figure out the maximum number at any one time, or other statistics useful for planning, is doubtful, especially because we'll probably never again see the spreadsheet used to record and add the numbers. If anyone does or did retrieve /home/gllug/visitors.ods from the server, I would appreciate having a copy of it, just in case someone actually asks for the supporting data. That spreadsheet was very questionable at best, and likely just plain wrong at many points. For example, the maximum size recorded on the sheet was 27 (also another mid-twenties value), yet during the keysigning we had every terminal seat filled (one machine down, so at least 23 at the terminals - only a few were used for keysgining), the entire back laptop table filled (about 8-10), a group of five assurers based around the piano, a few miscellaneous people standing around/sitting by the security desk, and people sitting on both the couch and the armchair by the blocked off entrance. That puts my observed peak count at around 36-40. There was also a similar peak experienced during the other keysigning event, but not quite as severe (~30 perhaps?). There were just too many inconsistencies with how we tracked numbers (ex. do we count computer lounge staff?), plus the couch/chair weren't visible form the security station. And again Chick, thank you for taking over some of this administrative stuff at the last minute. > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090504/c4056533/attachment-0001.html From mortel at cyber-nos.com Mon May 4 22:12:22 2009 From: mortel at cyber-nos.com (Stanley C. Mortel) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 22:12:22 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Short article about Ubuntu 9.04 Message-ID: <49FFA086.8030201@cyber-nos.com> A top 10 sort of thing. http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=707&tag=nl.e102 Worth the read. Stan From mortel at cyber-nos.com Tue May 5 19:14:54 2009 From: mortel at cyber-nos.com (Stanley C. Mortel) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 19:14:54 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Server Infection Question Message-ID: <4A00C86E.7030009@cyber-nos.com> I have a client with a compromised server. Not unusual for MS, but this one I find interesting. Here are some details: 40 GB hard drive, single partition. Windows 2000 server, fully patched. History of out of date AV software. Has Norton on it. System getting slower and slower, locking up, blue screen......yada, yada, yada. Entire network crawling. History of getting blacklisted for spam. Would not let me copy the partition using Acronis. Said Not enough space on drive even though I was copying from a 40 GB partition to a 120 GB drive. When Acronis starts, it show the infected drive at about 30+ GB, then after analyzing the drives before the copy it shows it completely full. Could not copy files from within Win2K to a newly formatted drive. Tells me access denied. I tried it on two different drives to be sure the one receiving data wasn't bad. The really interesting thing is that when I put it in an XP box to copy to another drive it infected XP during the boot/logon process. At the first logon, the windows alert popped up telling me that the anti-virus was not working. It was turned off and real-time scanning could not be turned on. I tried this twice, with "pristine" installs of XP Pro with Computer Associates Internet Security Suite installed and everything completely up to date. I find this of note because I didn't think that could happen. Least I've never seen it. I never accessed the infected drive at all. The only way it was accessed is by the Windows O.S. during the boot/logon process. As far as I know, the autorun feature is now turned off by default in XP, though that shouldn't come into play anyway, given that I never accessed the drive. Ran the CA anti-virus, which worked even though the real-time was disabled. Found several email/spam related worms: Win32/Sobig.B, Sobig.E!Zip, Klez.H. Also found Win32/Magistr.29188 that I think is more problematic. I'm guessing that the real culprit went undetected. Any ideas? Mainly I want to know if this is something that warrants further forensics before I wipe the drive, i.e., is this something new? I can probably dd the partition, the boot sector, and the partition table. If it stops Linux from doing that, then I'll really be surprised. I plan to put the drive in a Linux box tomorrow and run ClamAV on it. But, before I do that, I thought I'd see if anyone else finds this case unique or interesting enough to save the evidence. If anyone has some idea how a "data" drive can infect the OS drive without anything running, I'd like to hear that too. As always, thanks for your input. Stan From rexykik at gmail.com Tue May 5 19:34:48 2009 From: rexykik at gmail.com (Karl Schuttler) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 16:34:48 -0700 Subject: [GLLUG] Server Infection Question In-Reply-To: <4A00C86E.7030009@cyber-nos.com> References: <4A00C86E.7030009@cyber-nos.com> Message-ID: <984d708a0905051634y67d12aafvbe8b1fa4c668fa99@mail.gmail.com> Sounds like a typical exploit to me; malware propagation across drives is pretty common now. If I recall, MS screwed up when they disabled autorun and specified the wrong registry key. You might consider doing it manually through the registry on a clean box, which might fix your issue. ClamAV on linux was the first thing that came to my mind. If it infects your live linux system, I'd like to know; I haven't heard of anything that does that. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Stanley C. Mortel wrote: > I have a client with a compromised server. ?Not unusual for MS, but this > one I find interesting. ?Here are some details: > > 40 GB hard drive, single partition. ?Windows 2000 server, fully > patched. ?History of out of date AV software. ?Has Norton on it. ?System > getting slower and slower, locking up, blue screen......yada, yada, > yada. ?Entire network crawling. ?History of getting blacklisted for spam. > > Would not let me copy the partition using Acronis. ?Said Not enough > space on drive even though I was copying from a 40 GB partition to a 120 > GB drive. ?When Acronis starts, it show the infected drive at about 30+ > GB, then after analyzing the drives before the copy it shows it > completely full. > > Could not copy files from within Win2K to a newly formatted drive. > Tells me access denied. ?I tried it on two different drives to be sure > the one receiving data wasn't bad. > > The really interesting thing is that when I put it in an XP box to copy > to another drive it infected XP during the boot/logon process. ?At the > first logon, the windows alert popped up telling me that the anti-virus > was not working. ?It was turned off and real-time scanning could not be > turned on. ?I tried this twice, with "pristine" installs of XP Pro with > Computer Associates Internet Security Suite installed and everything > completely up to date. ?I find this of note because I didn't think that > could happen. ?Least I've never seen it. ?I never accessed the infected > drive at all. ?The only way it was accessed is by the Windows O.S. > during the boot/logon process. ?As far as I know, the autorun feature is > now turned off by default in XP, though that shouldn't come into play > anyway, given that I never accessed the drive. > > Ran the CA anti-virus, which worked even though the real-time was > disabled. ?Found several email/spam related worms: ?Win32/Sobig.B, > Sobig.E!Zip, Klez.H. ?Also found Win32/Magistr.29188 that I think is > more problematic. ?I'm guessing that the real culprit went undetected. > > Any ideas? ?Mainly I want to know if this is something that warrants > further forensics before I wipe the drive, i.e., is this something new? > I can probably dd the partition, the boot sector, and the partition > table. ?If it stops Linux from doing that, then I'll really be > surprised. ?I plan to put the drive in a Linux box tomorrow and run > ClamAV on it. ?But, before I do that, I thought I'd see if anyone else > finds this case unique or interesting enough to save the evidence. ?If > anyone has some idea how a "data" drive can infect the OS drive without > anything running, I'd like to hear that too. > > As always, thanks for your input. > > Stan > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From andres at msu.edu Tue May 5 19:48:55 2009 From: andres at msu.edu (STeve Andre') Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 19:48:55 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Server Infection Question In-Reply-To: <4A00C86E.7030009@cyber-nos.com> References: <4A00C86E.7030009@cyber-nos.com> Message-ID: <200905051948.56184.andres@msu.edu> On Tuesday 05 May 2009 19:14:54 Stanley C. Mortel wrote: > I have a client with a compromised server. Not unusual for MS, but this > one I find interesting. Here are some details: > > 40 GB hard drive, single partition. Windows 2000 server, fully > patched. History of out of date AV software. Has Norton on it. System > getting slower and slower, locking up, blue screen......yada, yada, > yada. Entire network crawling. History of getting blacklisted for spam. > > Would not let me copy the partition using Acronis. Said Not enough > space on drive even though I was copying from a 40 GB partition to a 120 > GB drive. When Acronis starts, it show the infected drive at about 30+ > GB, then after analyzing the drives before the copy it shows it > completely full. I love malware smart enough to stop disk copies. I've seen this twice now this year. > > Could not copy files from within Win2K to a newly formatted drive. > Tells me access denied. I tried it on two different drives to be sure > the one receiving data wasn't bad. Never use Windows to copy a suspect disk to something. I always use OpenBSD, which gets rid of the possibility of infecting the source system thats copying. Your pristine system when it booted talked to the other disk. You don't have to have autorun enabled to get infected, as you just saw. Isn't Windows nice? This is why I always use a non-Windows system to copy stuff. > > The really interesting thing is that when I put it in an XP box to copy > to another drive it infected XP during the boot/logon process. At the > first logon, the windows alert popped up telling me that the anti-virus > was not working. It was turned off and real-time scanning could not be > turned on. I tried this twice, with "pristine" installs of XP Pro with > Computer Associates Internet Security Suite installed and everything > completely up to date. I find this of note because I didn't think that > could happen. Least I've never seen it. I never accessed the infected > drive at all. The only way it was accessed is by the Windows O.S. > during the boot/logon process. As far as I know, the autorun feature is > now turned off by default in XP, though that shouldn't come into play > anyway, given that I never accessed the drive. > > Ran the CA anti-virus, which worked even though the real-time was > disabled. Found several email/spam related worms: Win32/Sobig.B, > Sobig.E!Zip, Klez.H. Also found Win32/Magistr.29188 that I think is > more problematic. I'm guessing that the real culprit went undetected. > > Any ideas? Mainly I want to know if this is something that warrants > further forensics before I wipe the drive, i.e., is this something new? No, I've heard of this happening before. There are simply so many pieces of malware out there that its next impossible to remember them all. > I can probably dd the partition, the boot sector, and the partition > table. If it stops Linux from doing that, then I'll really be > surprised. I plan to put the drive in a Linux box tomorrow and run > ClamAV on it. But, before I do that, I thought I'd see if anyone else > finds this case unique or interesting enough to save the evidence. If > anyone has some idea how a "data" drive can infect the OS drive without > anything running, I'd like to hear that too. > > As always, thanks for your input. > > Stan What I'm now doing when I get an infected sheep is to - copy the entire disk to another disk from a non-Windows system: gtar cf - . | (cd /cleandisk ; tar xvf - ) - make a complete copy of the newly copied directory which contains the entire disk and call it whatever.orig - go into the cleandisk directory and use find to blast all .com, .exe .dll, .inf, .pif, .msi, .scr files (and their UC versions): find . -name "*.dll" -exec rm {} \; I then have a copy of the disk which *probably* has the infected dreck off it, but I also have the .orig version if I find that I need something that find killed, I have a backup. Note that the gtar example doesn't handle sparse files. I think thats the S option? I use gtar instead of my native tar because files can be longer than 100 characters, which is the POSIX standard. This is all evolving. I do so love Windows. --STeve Andre' From rick at divinesymphony.net Tue May 5 20:56:15 2009 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 20:56:15 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Server Infection Question In-Reply-To: <984d708a0905051634y67d12aafvbe8b1fa4c668fa99@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A00C86E.7030009@cyber-nos.com> <984d708a0905051634y67d12aafvbe8b1fa4c668fa99@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: When you mount that partition on Linux, use the "noexec" option for added security. It's a nice trick for user directories when you really need to lock something down, too. In theory (although unlikely), that machine could have a few Linux exploits sitting around, too. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 7:34 PM, Karl Schuttler wrote: > Sounds like a typical exploit to me; malware propagation across drives > is pretty common now. If I recall, MS screwed up when they disabled > autorun and specified the wrong registry key. You might consider doing > it manually through the registry on a clean box, which might fix your > issue. > > ClamAV on linux was the first thing that came to my mind. If it > infects your live linux system, I'd like to know; I haven't heard of > anything that does that. > > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Stanley C. Mortel > wrote: > > I have a client with a compromised server. Not unusual for MS, but this > > one I find interesting. Here are some details: > > > > 40 GB hard drive, single partition. Windows 2000 server, fully > > patched. History of out of date AV software. Has Norton on it. System > > getting slower and slower, locking up, blue screen......yada, yada, > > yada. Entire network crawling. History of getting blacklisted for spam. > > > > Would not let me copy the partition using Acronis. Said Not enough > > space on drive even though I was copying from a 40 GB partition to a 120 > > GB drive. When Acronis starts, it show the infected drive at about 30+ > > GB, then after analyzing the drives before the copy it shows it > > completely full. > > > > Could not copy files from within Win2K to a newly formatted drive. > > Tells me access denied. I tried it on two different drives to be sure > > the one receiving data wasn't bad. > > > > The really interesting thing is that when I put it in an XP box to copy > > to another drive it infected XP during the boot/logon process. At the > > first logon, the windows alert popped up telling me that the anti-virus > > was not working. It was turned off and real-time scanning could not be > > turned on. I tried this twice, with "pristine" installs of XP Pro with > > Computer Associates Internet Security Suite installed and everything > > completely up to date. I find this of note because I didn't think that > > could happen. Least I've never seen it. I never accessed the infected > > drive at all. The only way it was accessed is by the Windows O.S. > > during the boot/logon process. As far as I know, the autorun feature is > > now turned off by default in XP, though that shouldn't come into play > > anyway, given that I never accessed the drive. > > > > Ran the CA anti-virus, which worked even though the real-time was > > disabled. Found several email/spam related worms: Win32/Sobig.B, > > Sobig.E!Zip, Klez.H. Also found Win32/Magistr.29188 that I think is > > more problematic. I'm guessing that the real culprit went undetected. > > > > Any ideas? Mainly I want to know if this is something that warrants > > further forensics before I wipe the drive, i.e., is this something new? > > I can probably dd the partition, the boot sector, and the partition > > table. If it stops Linux from doing that, then I'll really be > > surprised. I plan to put the drive in a Linux box tomorrow and run > > ClamAV on it. But, before I do that, I thought I'd see if anyone else > > finds this case unique or interesting enough to save the evidence. If > > anyone has some idea how a "data" drive can infect the OS drive without > > anything running, I'd like to hear that too. > > > > As always, thanks for your input. > > > > Stan > > _______________________________________________ > > linux-user mailing list > > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090505/c465a5eb/attachment.html From c.e.tower at gmail.com Wed May 6 12:52:33 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 12:52:33 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Suggested Expansion of Computer Lounge's Tasks Message-ID: <4A01C051.90407@gmail.com> Here's an excerpt from a running dialogue about the program book, and the possibility of making the schedule available in electronic format only. They already discussed kiosks, which some said are unreliable, due in large part to the abuse by users. I'm sending it out because of the massive amount of equipment and effort it would require from us, although we should be able to draw upon the resources of other LUGs and Penguicon itself. -- Chick ===================================================== On Tue, 5 May 2009 17:44:16 -0400 (EDT), Seth wrote: >For personalized schedules, why not just put some code on the web site >to generate them? (e.g. select panels, it produces a page showing >your personal schedule, allowing the user to specify emphasis >(e.g. "the panels I'm on are bolded"), etc.) > >People who want hardcopy can download the page to a thumb drive and >use the hotel's business center (or print at home before the >convention). And then, of course, there is also the potential to request that our computer lounge is run with printers available for doing these printouts as well. Staffed computers with staffed printers seems like a more stable and reliable solution than kiosks. From clay at lazarusid.com Wed May 6 13:34:53 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 12:34:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Suggested Expansion of Computer Lounge's Tasks In-Reply-To: <4A01C051.90407@gmail.com> References: <4A01C051.90407@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 May 2009, Chick Tower wrote: > Here's an excerpt from a running dialogue about the program book, and > the possibility of making the schedule available in electronic format > only. They already discussed kiosks, which some said are unreliable, > due in large part to the abuse by users. I'm sending it out because of > the massive amount of equipment and effort it would require from us, > although we should be able to draw upon the resources of other LUGs and > Penguicon itself. Just as a side note, the notion of printing schedules from the lab isn't getting massive amounts of traction. It's a neat idea, but suddenly lounge availability becomes extremely important to the whole con, and things could stop being fun real fast. And since we know that for most of Friday the lounge isn't going to be useful, it kills the idea of Friday scheduling. From c.e.tower at gmail.com Wed May 6 13:53:42 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 13:53:42 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Suggested Expansion of Computer Lounge's Tasks In-Reply-To: References: <4A01C051.90407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A01CEA6.9020300@gmail.com> Well, Penguicon could print a pocket schedule for Friday to tide people over. Granted, it wouldn't be the personalized schedule they've been discussing (sort of an itinerary for the day), but it would be at least as useful as this year's pocket guide. Chick Clay Dowling wrote: > Just as a side note, the notion of printing schedules from the lab isn't > getting massive amounts of traction. It's a neat idea, but suddenly > lounge availability becomes extremely important to the whole con, and > things could stop being fun real fast. And since we know that for most > of Friday the lounge isn't going to be useful, it kills the idea of > Friday scheduling. > From trevor.jagoda at gmail.com Wed May 6 14:03:36 2009 From: trevor.jagoda at gmail.com (Trevor Jagoda) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 14:03:36 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Suggested Expansion of Computer Lounge's Tasks In-Reply-To: <4A01CEA6.9020300@gmail.com> References: <4A01C051.90407@gmail.com> <4A01CEA6.9020300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5a2d44a90905061103t6c94c87fh4bf3be29875dc5c6@mail.gmail.com> I am against this of customized system-reliant schedules. I would not put much stock in seeing it happen - at least not this coming year. Making a switching over to a new system in one PC year seems like an entirely bad idea to me anyway. Trevor On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > Well, Penguicon could print a pocket schedule for Friday to tide people > over. Granted, it wouldn't be the personalized schedule they've been > discussing (sort of an itinerary for the day), but it would be at least > as useful as this year's pocket guide. > > Chick > > > Clay Dowling wrote: > > Just as a side note, the notion of printing schedules from the lab isn't > > getting massive amounts of traction. It's a neat idea, but suddenly > > lounge availability becomes extremely important to the whole con, and > > things could stop being fun real fast. And since we know that for most > > of Friday the lounge isn't going to be useful, it kills the idea of > > Friday scheduling. > > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090506/73eed236/attachment.html From clay at lazarusid.com Wed May 6 16:50:07 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 15:50:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Bad Puns Message-ID: Some of you (well, Frank) like bad puns. So you'll love this: http://roflrazzi.files.workpress.com/2009/05/celebrity-pictures-pigs-in-space-swine-flu.jpg Clay From c.e.tower at gmail.com Wed May 6 23:17:10 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 23:17:10 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Bad Puns In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A0252B6.4020404@gmail.com> All I get is a blank, white page. Heck of a pun. Maybe it's an un. Chick Clay Dowling wrote: > Some of you (well, Frank) like bad puns. So you'll love this: > > http://roflrazzi.files.workpress.com/2009/05/celebrity-pictures-pigs-in-space-swine-flu.jpg > > Clay From psmith.gllug at gmail.com Thu May 7 06:35:37 2009 From: psmith.gllug at gmail.com (Peter Smith) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 06:35:37 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Bad Puns In-Reply-To: <4A0252B6.4020404@gmail.com> References: <4A0252B6.4020404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <12df8d4f0905070335q591862a4y288567d5662665ec@mail.gmail.com> http://roflrazzi.com/2009/05/06/celebrity-pictures-pigs-in-space-swine-flu/ works just fine. On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > All I get is a blank, white page. ?Heck of a pun. ?Maybe it's an un. > > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Chick > > > Clay Dowling wrote: >> Some of you (well, Frank) like bad puns. ?So you'll love this: >> >> http://roflrazzi.files.workpress.com/2009/05/celebrity-pictures-pigs-in-space-swine-flu.jpg >> >> Clay > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -- Peter Smith psmith.gllug at gmail.com From psmith.gllug at gmail.com Thu May 7 14:05:58 2009 From: psmith.gllug at gmail.com (Peter Smith) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 14:05:58 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] P'Con 2010 discussions before Handover Meeting? Message-ID: <12df8d4f0905071105l5b23bce4o2ac1cdf828e754f@mail.gmail.com> I'm going to be down at the Trek premiere at the Detroit Science Center tonight, so I won't be back in town till well after midnight. There was talk of having a GLLUG P'con discussion on Saturday....but things I've read out here seem to imply that tonight is the only time that there's going to be chatter, so, I thought I'd add something from the after-hours bit on Sunday. I was handed a suggestion for how to handle the queuing problem we had, and encouraged not to reveal the source, so when it blew up in our faces, I'd get all the credit. :) All I can say is "Never set the cat on fire..." Anyhow...the idea was to number the tickets (not too hard) and then set it up with an airport boarding queue sort of thing. It took about 45 minutes for the first 28 servings (meat went down at ~5:05-5:10, by 5:25 meat was coming out, and the dealer's room cart went away about 5:45 or so), and then, what, another 5-6 hours for the remaining 400. Kay, so that's about 60 an hour. Call it 100/hr with enough people and just a touch more grill space, and go back to 400 people from 4pm to 8pm 4pm, start the grill, put up a sign, "Serving Ticket numbers 1 - 50 (as Beef is available)" . That gives you a queue of no more than 50 people, which is less than half what I counted at 5:15. You don't serve them in order of number, but you don't take anyone over 50. Send them to the back of the line if they WANT to queue up. 4:15, Serving begins 4:30, 25 people have been served. Bump the number to 1-75 (or 'less than 76' if you wish, whatever verbiage) 4:45, 50 people have been served. Bump the number to 1-100 5:00, 75 people have been served, Bump it up to 125.... If you're #300, you know not to come back till at least 6:00 and check the number. If it's close, great, get in line, we did better. If we're running slow, reestimate, and go do something else. IMHO, we'll do well with it as long as it's NOT 'a meal' for people who have to eat at a certain time. Yes, I've got opinions on bunches of other things too, but this was the only one that was given to me by someone else, and I wanted to be sure it was transferred. :) -- Peter Smith psmith.gllug at gmail.com From c.e.tower at gmail.com Thu May 7 15:01:31 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 15:01:31 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Bad Puns In-Reply-To: <12df8d4f0905070335q591862a4y288567d5662665ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A0252B6.4020404@gmail.com> <12df8d4f0905070335q591862a4y288567d5662665ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A03300B.6020307@gmail.com> Yes, it does. Thanks, Peter. Chick Peter Smith wrote: > http://roflrazzi.com/2009/05/06/celebrity-pictures-pigs-in-space-swine-flu/ > works just fine. > > On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Chick Tower wrote: >> All I get is a blank, white page. Heck of a pun. Maybe it's an un. >> >> Chick >> >> >> Clay Dowling wrote: >>> Some of you (well, Frank) like bad puns. So you'll love this: >>> >>> http://roflrazzi.files.workpress.com/2009/05/celebrity-pictures-pigs-in-space-swine-flu.jpg >>> >>> Clay From trevor.jagoda at gmail.com Thu May 7 15:11:56 2009 From: trevor.jagoda at gmail.com (Trevor Jagoda) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 15:11:56 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] P'Con 2010 discussions before Handover Meeting? In-Reply-To: <12df8d4f0905071105l5b23bce4o2ac1cdf828e754f@mail.gmail.com> References: <12df8d4f0905071105l5b23bce4o2ac1cdf828e754f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5a2d44a90905071211y672c9936g77a286c50cd5b6f@mail.gmail.com> Just sell tickets to specific time blocks. Then people dont have to keep coming back to check what number you're on. On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Peter Smith wrote: > I'm going to be down at the Trek premiere at the Detroit Science > Center tonight, so I won't be back in town till well after midnight. > > There was talk of having a GLLUG P'con discussion on Saturday....but > things I've read out here seem to imply that tonight is the only time > that there's going to be chatter, so, I thought I'd add something from > the after-hours bit on Sunday. > > I was handed a suggestion for how to handle the queuing problem we > had, and encouraged not to reveal the source, so when it blew up in > our faces, I'd get all the credit. :) All I can say is "Never set the > cat on fire..." > > Anyhow...the idea was to number the tickets (not too hard) and then > set it up with an airport boarding queue sort of thing. It took about > 45 minutes for the first 28 servings (meat went down at ~5:05-5:10, by > 5:25 meat was coming out, and the dealer's room cart went away about > 5:45 or so), and then, what, another 5-6 hours for the remaining 400. > Kay, so that's about 60 an hour. Call it 100/hr with enough people and > just a touch more grill space, and go back to 400 people from 4pm to > 8pm > > 4pm, start the grill, put up a sign, "Serving Ticket numbers 1 - 50 > (as Beef is available)" . That gives you a queue of no more than 50 > people, which is less than half what I counted at 5:15. You don't > serve them in order of number, but you don't take anyone over 50. Send > them to the back of the line if they WANT to queue up. > > 4:15, Serving begins > > 4:30, 25 people have been served. Bump the number to 1-75 (or 'less > than 76' if you wish, whatever verbiage) > > 4:45, 50 people have been served. Bump the number to 1-100 > > 5:00, 75 people have been served, Bump it up to 125.... > > If you're #300, you know not to come back till at least 6:00 and check > the number. If it's close, great, get in line, we did better. If we're > running slow, reestimate, and go do something else. > > > IMHO, we'll do well with it as long as it's NOT 'a meal' for people > who have to eat at a certain time. > > Yes, I've got opinions on bunches of other things too, but this was > the only one that was given to me by someone else, and I wanted to be > sure it was transferred. :) > > -- > Peter Smith > psmith.gllug at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090507/21e5fad6/attachment.html From b.w.barker at smokejive.net Thu May 7 15:21:42 2009 From: b.w.barker at smokejive.net (Brent Barker) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 15:21:42 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] P'Con 2010 discussions before Handover Meeting? In-Reply-To: <5a2d44a90905071211y672c9936g77a286c50cd5b6f@mail.gmail.com> References: <12df8d4f0905071105l5b23bce4o2ac1cdf828e754f@mail.gmail.com> <5a2d44a90905071211y672c9936g77a286c50cd5b6f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a8ddab90905071221u46166509oe50b29f172eebdc8@mail.gmail.com> >> Anyhow...the idea was to number the tickets (not too hard) and then >> set it up with an airport boarding queue sort of thing. It took about >> 45 minutes for the first 28 servings (meat went down at ~5:05-5:10, by >> 5:25 meat was coming out, and the dealer's room cart went away about >> 5:45 or so), and then, what, another 5-6 hours for the remaining 400. >> Kay, so that's about 60 an hour. Call it 100/hr with enough people and >> just a touch more grill space, and go back to 400 people from 4pm to >> 8pm >> >> 4pm, start the grill, put up a sign, "Serving Ticket numbers 1 - 50 >> (as Beef is available)" . That gives you a queue of no more than 50 >> people, which is less than half what I counted at 5:15. You don't >> serve them in order of number, but you don't take anyone over 50. Send >> them to the back of the line if they WANT to queue up. >> >> 4:15, Serving begins >> >> 4:30, 25 people have been served. Bump the number to 1-75 (or 'less >> than 76' if you wish, whatever verbiage) >> >> 4:45, 50 people have been served. Bump the number to 1-100 >> >> 5:00, 75 people have been served, Bump it up to 125.... >> >> If you're #300, you know not to come back till at least 6:00 and check >> the number. If it's close, great, get in line, we did better. If we're >> running slow, reestimate, and go do something else. > Just sell tickets to specific time blocks. Then people dont have to keep > coming back to check what number you're on. The problem with that is when the 4:00-4:30 block is not finished by the end of the time, so you have a big backlog. The queuing system described above fixes this by letting the operator control how long the line is. You could map out a tentative time-schedule to go with the ticket number though, so if someone wanted to get a ticket for later on, they could. Though this would only be slightly better than just any ticket, and for the added thought involved may not be beneficial. --Brent From sjsayers93 at gmail.com Thu May 7 18:00:09 2009 From: sjsayers93 at gmail.com (Steven Sayers) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 18:00:09 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] How's the meeting turnout Message-ID: I've really been interested in attending another meeting, they were a lot of fun. I was just wondering if the turn out was as good as it was a few months ago? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090507/6c82b22e/attachment.html From c.e.tower at gmail.com Fri May 8 00:28:12 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 00:28:12 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] How's the meeting turnout In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A03B4DC.5020902@gmail.com> Tonight there were eight of us, talking about Penguicon and how to make our parts in it better. That number is typical for us these days when there isn't a presentation, which is the vast majority of meetings. So come, let us be Nine so we can form our own Fellowship of the Ring. Chick Steven Sayers wrote: > I've really been interested in attending another meeting, they were a > lot of fun. I was just wondering if the turn out was as good as it was a > few months ago? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From c.e.tower at gmail.com Fri May 8 00:15:48 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 00:15:48 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] =?iso-8859-1?q?Epic_Peng-win=2E_=AB_Cornfield_Meet?= Message-ID: <4A03B1F4.1030408@gmail.com> I can't claim that this is a typical story of Penguicon, but it gives you an idea of all that goes on during the convention. http://johnbooth.wordpress.com/2009/05/05/epic-peng-win/ -- Chick From psmith.gllug at gmail.com Fri May 8 09:18:19 2009 From: psmith.gllug at gmail.com (Peter Smith) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 09:18:19 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] P'Con 2010 discussions before Handover Meeting? In-Reply-To: <3a8ddab90905071221u46166509oe50b29f172eebdc8@mail.gmail.com> References: <12df8d4f0905071105l5b23bce4o2ac1cdf828e754f@mail.gmail.com> <5a2d44a90905071211y672c9936g77a286c50cd5b6f@mail.gmail.com> <3a8ddab90905071221u46166509oe50b29f172eebdc8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <12df8d4f0905080618m729bf9b3qe0e0daf9fcaf8a1b@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Brent Barker wrote: > The problem with that is when the 4:00-4:30 block is not finished by > the end of the time, so you have a big backlog. Right; you can be specific with time blocks IF you have a well-established system, and you don't have any problem taking care of the slowing X factor. With this one, if the block is going slowly,then you don't update the sign. If people are going to get in line at 2:00 for a 4pm start (like the dealers did last time), you limit that initial sign to (1-20) and you don't upgrade the high picket until you start serving; your line is no more than 20 people, or how ever many you feel comfortable making the range. We *do* assume con-goers are !stupid. That they can find someone to do simple math. That someone with ticket 400 won't get in line when it says 'now serving 1-20'. And that they can visit a couple of times and calculate the time they should come back to check. Or, if they can't do any of these, that they can ask someone for assistance. Gotta start somewhere. :) From muteid10t at gmail.com Fri May 8 09:43:01 2009 From: muteid10t at gmail.com (Ron Blanchett) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 09:43:01 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] P'Con 2010 discussions before Handover Meeting? In-Reply-To: <12df8d4f0905080618m729bf9b3qe0e0daf9fcaf8a1b@mail.gmail.com> References: <12df8d4f0905071105l5b23bce4o2ac1cdf828e754f@mail.gmail.com> <5a2d44a90905071211y672c9936g77a286c50cd5b6f@mail.gmail.com> <3a8ddab90905071221u46166509oe50b29f172eebdc8@mail.gmail.com> <12df8d4f0905080618m729bf9b3qe0e0daf9fcaf8a1b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <52995d720905080643p7b619a7es8aa569765319543c@mail.gmail.com> Penguicon didn't have a problem serving hundreds of people beef @ P6 using the time slot method. What broke during the process this year that 1) removed the time slot method from the equation, and 2) broke the entire system and kept beef from being served fast like at 6.0. note: I cooked 400+ pounds of beef with Edwardo at 6.0 so I know how fast we where cooking and serving. The line was never more than 20 minutes long @ 6.0. On 5/8/09, Peter Smith wrote: > > On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Brent Barker > wrote: > > The problem with that is when the 4:00-4:30 block is not finished by > > the end of the time, so you have a big backlog. > Right; you can be specific with time blocks IF you have a > well-established system, and you don't have any problem taking care of > the slowing X factor. > > With this one, if the block is going slowly,then you don't update the > sign. If people are going to get in line at 2:00 for a 4pm start (like > the dealers did last time), you limit that initial sign to (1-20) and > you don't upgrade the high picket until you start serving; your line > is no more than 20 people, or how ever many you feel comfortable > making the range. > > We *do* assume con-goers are !stupid. That they can find someone to do > simple math. That someone with ticket 400 won't get in line when it > says 'now serving 1-20'. And that they can visit a couple of times and > calculate the time they should come back to check. Or, if they can't > do any of these, that they can ask someone for assistance. > > Gotta start somewhere. :) > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -- -Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090508/7e8d9e5f/attachment.html From marshal at freedombi.com Fri May 8 13:47:09 2009 From: marshal at freedombi.com (Marshal Newrock) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 13:47:09 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon 8.0 computer lounge Message-ID: <20090508134709.632159c3@osiris> 7.0 is done, now it's time to be looking ahead towards Penguicon 8.0. Peter, if I recall correctly, you said that you would be heading up the music track, and thusly did not want to do Computer Lounge. Is there anyone else who would like to do this? If not, I'm willing to step up to the plate. Also, we seem to have a consensus that we want a "Lounge in a Duffel Bag", that is, a bunch of old laptops to work as terminals. They need, of course, internal 100Mbit ethernet with the ability to PXE boot, good screens (1024x768 resolution), good keyboards, good power adapter, basically, good hardware except for the hard drive and battery. And the memory requirements will be modest as well. If you've got something like this lying around, pipe up. Marshal -- Marshal Newrock 517-679-0699 x223 FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090508/a4468574/attachment.bin From mortel at cyber-nos.com Fri May 8 14:14:07 2009 From: mortel at cyber-nos.com (Stanley C. Mortel) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 14:14:07 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon 8.0 computer lounge In-Reply-To: <20090508134709.632159c3@osiris> References: <20090508134709.632159c3@osiris> Message-ID: <4A04766F.2000305@cyber-nos.com> Marshal Newrock wrote: > 7.0 is done, now it's time to be looking ahead towards Penguicon 8.0. > Peter, if I recall correctly, you said that you would be heading up the > music track, and thusly did not want to do Computer Lounge. Is there > anyone else who would like to do this? If not, I'm willing to step up > to the plate. > Marshal, you have my vote. Be sure to contact Randy and volunteer us to do the computer lounge again next year, at the handover meeting I presume. > Also, we seem to have a consensus that we want a "Lounge in a Duffel > Bag", that is, a bunch of old laptops to work as terminals. They need, > of course, internal 100Mbit ethernet with the ability to PXE boot, good > screens (1024x768 resolution), good keyboards, good power adapter, > basically, good hardware except for the hard drive and battery. And > the memory requirements will be modest as well. If you've got > something like this lying around, pipe up. > I'll keep my eye on ebay and Craig's List. If anyone else plans to do this also we need to coordinate things so we don't bid against each other. ;-) Stan > Marshal > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Additional experience with software development or Cisco routers a definite plus. Must have excellent problematic debugging skills and strong written and verbal communication skills. Some travel required. Michael P. Flaga Director of Systems Transaction Network Services, Inc. 3101 Technology Blvd., Ste. C. Lansing, MI 48910-8356 ' (517) 336-1836 * mflaga at tnsi.com or AIM @ mpflaga ________________________________ This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s)and may contain confidential and privileged information of Transaction Network Services. Any unauthorised review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090508/8a821e10/attachment-0001.html From psmith.gllug at gmail.com Fri May 8 19:03:08 2009 From: psmith.gllug at gmail.com (Peter Smith) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 19:03:08 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon 8.0 computer lounge In-Reply-To: <4A04766F.2000305@cyber-nos.com> References: <20090508134709.632159c3@osiris> <4A04766F.2000305@cyber-nos.com> Message-ID: <12df8d4f0905081603s455cd30eq3560a3561b1ba0e8@mail.gmail.com> > Marshal Newrock wrote: > > 7.0 is done, now it's time to be looking ahead towards Penguicon 8.0. > Peter, if I recall correctly, you said that you would be heading up the > music track, and thusly did not want to do Computer Lounge. Music is what I've got my sights set on, yes, but it's not something I'm even thinking about until after next week's meeting. Certainly isn't a 'done deal' until it happens, and isn't anything I've even come close to making a 'public' announcement about, so mentioning it on the list wasn't really appreciated. C'est la guerre. But, sure, either way, I'll step down from the Lounge, unless otherwise pressed into duty. I had edited the 'duties of the position' post on the .INFO site, but it seems to have disappeared....I think I put it out in mail to someone, I'll find it again before next week. The only outgoing advice I've got for whomever takes over the position is to get things going early and often; it doesn't SEEM like a year-round task, but keeping in touch and making sure things are set up as early as possible, are pivotal for a smooth weekend. -- Peter Smith psmith.gllug at gmail.com From psmith.gllug at gmail.com Fri May 8 19:27:02 2009 From: psmith.gllug at gmail.com (Peter Smith) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 19:27:02 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon 8.0 computer lounge In-Reply-To: <12df8d4f0905081603s455cd30eq3560a3561b1ba0e8@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090508134709.632159c3@osiris> <4A04766F.2000305@cyber-nos.com> <12df8d4f0905081603s455cd30eq3560a3561b1ba0e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <12df8d4f0905081627x19bb0d98yb9f755cc091d9dc5@mail.gmail.com> Oh, as a general notice. After the con, I was down to three P-Con 6.0 refund cheques. Since I didn't make it to the post-con meeting (which was my personal deadline), I dropped all three into the mail, to the addresses I received at the Con LAST year. That would be Eduardo, Charles, and Lee. Rest of you got them in person. Try to cash them before next Saturday. :) -- Peter Smith psmith.gllug at gmail.com From trevor.jagoda at gmail.com Fri May 8 21:36:42 2009 From: trevor.jagoda at gmail.com (Trevor Jagoda) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 21:36:42 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon 8.0 computer lounge In-Reply-To: <12df8d4f0905081603s455cd30eq3560a3561b1ba0e8@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090508134709.632159c3@osiris> <4A04766F.2000305@cyber-nos.com> <12df8d4f0905081603s455cd30eq3560a3561b1ba0e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5a2d44a90905081836g49544c1en7ea2a6c3b9033059@mail.gmail.com> After my many efforts, Peter shall finally work for me! =P (Im the programming head for 2010, as opposed to formerly being just the tech track's head.) Trevor On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Peter Smith wrote: > > Marshal Newrock wrote: > > > > 7.0 is done, now it's time to be looking ahead towards Penguicon 8.0. > > Peter, if I recall correctly, you said that you would be heading up the > > music track, and thusly did not want to do Computer Lounge. > > Music is what I've got my sights set on, yes, but it's not something > I'm even thinking about until after next week's meeting. Certainly > isn't a 'done deal' until it happens, and isn't anything I've even > come close to making a 'public' announcement about, so mentioning it > on the list wasn't really appreciated. C'est la guerre. > > But, sure, either way, I'll step down from the Lounge, unless > otherwise pressed into duty. I had edited the 'duties of the position' > post on the .INFO site, but it seems to have disappeared....I think I > put it out in mail to someone, I'll find it again before next week. > The only outgoing advice I've got for whomever takes over the position > is to get things going early and often; it doesn't SEEM like a > year-round task, but keeping in touch and making sure things are set > up as early as possible, are pivotal for a smooth weekend. > > -- > Peter Smith > psmith.gllug at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090508/a6d0f382/attachment.html From c.e.tower at gmail.com Mon May 11 12:52:54 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 11:52:54 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Kudos Message-ID: <4A0857E6.7080000@gmail.com> From the Penguicon general mailing list. -- Chick ==================================== I had no problems with the burn box, and was very happy that there was a laptop table available at the lounge. Thumbs-up, GLLUG. :) -- Dave Crampton From clay at lazarusid.com Mon May 11 14:19:04 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 13:19:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Beer for Penguicon, GLLUG Message-ID: We went through a lot of beer this year. People liked it. We also ran out of beer on Friday, which left us none to offer on Saturday. Do we want to bring more beer next year? If we do, we're going to need to brew more beer, and we're going to need vessles to store it in. I have the kegs we used this year. I don't really want to buy more, because I won't use them. As uit is I'll probably always have two empty kegs sitting around most of the year. The kegs are basically useful for people who want to have a couple of parties throughout the year. You buy a keg, bring it over on brew day, and leave it with me. When your beer is done with fermentation, I put it in the keg and carbonate your beer for you. You pick it up after it's been in the keg a week, take it to your party. Things Beer will sell you the serving taps, as well as a nifty little gadget that lets you keep it pressurized off of a CO2 ampule. Anybody wants to do this, let me know. It's a bit of an equipment investment, probably $40 after you buy the keg, tap and the CO2 ampule gadget, but you'll be getting a party or two's worth of beer for maybe $20 in materials and some labor on brew day. You can put wine in a keg and carbonate it for a sparkling wine. My dad warns me though that keeping that around the house could be the end of your liver. He did that once, decided it wasn't a good thing to keep on hand. Good to have for a party though. Clay From mlachniet at analysts.com Mon May 11 14:51:52 2009 From: mlachniet at analysts.com (Lachniet, Mark) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 14:51:52 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Beer for Penguicon, GLLUG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13C5026E000864419A269D7DC5EBAB46129642F53A@dtwcoexmbx1> I have cornelius kegs (old soda ones) with both types of connnectors. At least two of them are perfectly good, as I had them full this winter when my garage was cold enough to be a fridge. I'd gladly loan them to GLLUG (maybe even brew for Penguicon if I get off my butt) if I can have them back after the event is over. IF there happens to be left over beer in them when they are returned, all the better. I'll also gladly loan out my CO2. I have a small one and a big one. Mark -----Original Message----- From: linux-user-bounces at egr.msu.edu [mailto:linux-user-bounces at egr.msu.edu] On Behalf Of Clay Dowling Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 2:19 PM To: linux-user at egr.msu.edu Subject: [GLLUG] Beer for Penguicon, GLLUG We went through a lot of beer this year. People liked it. We also ran out of beer on Friday, which left us none to offer on Saturday. Do we want to bring more beer next year? If we do, we're going to need to brew more beer, and we're going to need vessles to store it in. I have the kegs we used this year. I don't really want to buy more, because I won't use them. As uit is I'll probably always have two empty kegs sitting around most of the year. The kegs are basically useful for people who want to have a couple of parties throughout the year. You buy a keg, bring it over on brew day, and leave it with me. When your beer is done with fermentation, I put it in the keg and carbonate your beer for you. You pick it up after it's been in the keg a week, take it to your party. Things Beer will sell you the serving taps, as well as a nifty little gadget that lets you keep it pressurized off of a CO2 ampule. Anybody wants to do this, let me know. It's a bit of an equipment investment, probably $40 after you buy the keg, tap and the CO2 ampule gadget, but you'll be getting a party or two's worth of beer for maybe $20 in materials and some labor on brew day. You can put wine in a keg and carbonate it for a sparkling wine. My dad warns me though that keeping that around the house could be the end of your liver. He did that once, decided it wasn't a good thing to keep on hand. Good to have for a party though. Clay _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user at egr.msu.edu http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From clay at lazarusid.com Mon May 11 15:56:33 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 14:56:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Beer for Penguicon, GLLUG In-Reply-To: <13C5026E000864419A269D7DC5EBAB46129642F53A@dtwcoexmbx1> References: <13C5026E000864419A269D7DC5EBAB46129642F53A@dtwcoexmbx1> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 May 2009, Lachniet, Mark wrote: > I have cornelius kegs (old soda ones) with both types of connnectors. At least two of them are perfectly good, as I had them full this winter when my garage was cold enough to be a fridge. I'd gladly loan them to GLLUG (maybe even brew for Penguicon if I get off my butt) if I can have them back after the event is over. IF there happens to be left over beer in them when they are returned, all the better. > Those are exactly what I'm using, with ball-lock connectors (not sanke). Such a loan would be very cool. You bringing your own brews would be even cooler, so that the flavor isn't all one brewer. Not that my ego isn't big enough to sustain it, but I should take pity on our guests. Clay From trevor.jagoda at gmail.com Mon May 11 16:54:57 2009 From: trevor.jagoda at gmail.com (Trevor Jagoda) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 16:54:57 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Beer for Penguicon, GLLUG In-Reply-To: References: <13C5026E000864419A269D7DC5EBAB46129642F53A@dtwcoexmbx1> Message-ID: <5a2d44a90905111354mbb2edcao503059d732e80b77@mail.gmail.com> Brew me Root Beer! Trevor On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Clay Dowling wrote: > On Mon, 11 May 2009, Lachniet, Mark wrote: > > > I have cornelius kegs (old soda ones) with both types of connnectors. At > least two of them are perfectly good, as I had them full this winter when my > garage was cold enough to be a fridge. I'd gladly loan them to GLLUG (maybe > even brew for Penguicon if I get off my butt) if I can have them back after > the event is over. IF there happens to be left over beer in them when they > are returned, all the better. > > > > Those are exactly what I'm using, with ball-lock connectors (not sanke). > Such a loan would be very cool. You bringing your own brews would be even > cooler, so that the flavor isn't all one brewer. Not that my ego isn't > big enough to sustain it, but I should take pity on our guests. > > Clay > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090511/2d4a4d3d/attachment.html From mlachniet at analysts.com Mon May 11 17:58:13 2009 From: mlachniet at analysts.com (Lachniet, Mark) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 17:58:13 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Beer for Penguicon, GLLUG In-Reply-To: <5a2d44a90905111354mbb2edcao503059d732e80b77@mail.gmail.com> References: <13C5026E000864419A269D7DC5EBAB46129642F53A@dtwcoexmbx1> <5a2d44a90905111354mbb2edcao503059d732e80b77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13C5026E000864419A269D7DC5EBAB46129642F5EB@dtwcoexmbx1> That my friend is incredibly easy. Pour in small container of rootbeer extract. Pour in 4.5 gallons of water. Pour in a pound of sugar. Add CO2 under pressure. Shake repeatedly to increase absorption. Within about 2 days of pressurizing you have rootbeer! It actually tastes pretty good too. ________________________________ From: Trevor Jagoda [mailto:trevor.jagoda at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 4:55 PM To: Clay Dowling Cc: Lachniet, Mark; linux-user at egr.msu.edu Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Beer for Penguicon, GLLUG Brew me Root Beer! Trevor On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Clay Dowling > wrote: On Mon, 11 May 2009, Lachniet, Mark wrote: > I have cornelius kegs (old soda ones) with both types of connnectors. At least two of them are perfectly good, as I had them full this winter when my garage was cold enough to be a fridge. I'd gladly loan them to GLLUG (maybe even brew for Penguicon if I get off my butt) if I can have them back after the event is over. IF there happens to be left over beer in them when they are returned, all the better. > Those are exactly what I'm using, with ball-lock connectors (not sanke). Such a loan would be very cool. You bringing your own brews would be even cooler, so that the flavor isn't all one brewer. Not that my ego isn't big enough to sustain it, but I should take pity on our guests. Clay _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user at egr.msu.edu http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090511/4fbcdbe3/attachment.html From trevor.jagoda at gmail.com Mon May 11 18:19:11 2009 From: trevor.jagoda at gmail.com (Trevor Jagoda) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:19:11 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Beer for Penguicon, GLLUG In-Reply-To: <13C5026E000864419A269D7DC5EBAB46129642F5EB@dtwcoexmbx1> References: <13C5026E000864419A269D7DC5EBAB46129642F53A@dtwcoexmbx1> <5a2d44a90905111354mbb2edcao503059d732e80b77@mail.gmail.com> <13C5026E000864419A269D7DC5EBAB46129642F5EB@dtwcoexmbx1> Message-ID: <5a2d44a90905111519t7b3486e6v856b7ad8a37e9c92@mail.gmail.com> ....so it should be really easy to make me some! =P Heehee. Trevor On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Lachniet, Mark wrote: > That my friend is incredibly easy. Pour in small container of rootbeer > extract. Pour in 4.5 gallons of water. Pour in a pound of sugar. Add CO2 > under pressure. Shake repeatedly to increase absorption. Within about 2 > days of pressurizing you have rootbeer! > > It actually tastes pretty good too. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Trevor Jagoda [mailto:trevor.jagoda at gmail.com] > *Sent:* Monday, May 11, 2009 4:55 PM > *To:* Clay Dowling > *Cc:* Lachniet, Mark; linux-user at egr.msu.edu > *Subject:* Re: [GLLUG] Beer for Penguicon, GLLUG > > Brew me Root Beer! > > > > Trevor > > On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Clay Dowling wrote: > >> On Mon, 11 May 2009, Lachniet, Mark wrote: >> >> > I have cornelius kegs (old soda ones) with both types of connnectors. >> At least two of them are perfectly good, as I had them full this winter >> when my garage was cold enough to be a fridge. I'd gladly loan them to >> GLLUG (maybe even brew for Penguicon if I get off my butt) if I can have >> them back after the event is over. IF there happens to be left over beer in >> them when they are returned, all the better. >> > >> >> Those are exactly what I'm using, with ball-lock connectors (not sanke). >> Such a loan would be very cool. You bringing your own brews would be even >> cooler, so that the flavor isn't all one brewer. Not that my ego isn't >> big enough to sustain it, but I should take pity on our guests. >> >> Clay >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090511/ae67b2c9/attachment-0001.html From rick at divinesymphony.net Tue May 12 19:49:38 2009 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 19:49:38 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Used Linux Laptop Message-ID: I've got a new notebook coming soon, so I'm getting ready to sell my current one. The price should fall into the $350 to $500 range with all three modular bay options (second hard disk, dvd+/- burner, second battery), spare hard drive adapter board, and a case. I've got the original box, all the paperwork, etc. It's still going to be at least a few weeks to a month before I'm settled into the new machine and ready to deal, however. Bonus: This laptop shipped without OS and has never ran Microsoft Windows :-). If anyone's interested, I'll bring this machine to the next couple GLLUG meetings so you can take a look. Feel free to contact me via email if you'd like to take a look, but can't conveniently make a GLLUG meeting (I'm likely to pass through Flint next weekend, for example). I'll come up with a final asking price once I get the new machine, do some price research on used laptops, decide which case to sell with it, etc. Details: I calculated runtime at 8hrs under Linux with new batteries, down to around 2hrs currently. Ships with a pre-loaded copy of Mandriva, with all hardware fully configured (except the modem, which I think works now, but I never tested). The SD card-reader is NOT and will likely never be supported via Linux, but that's easy to overcome with a USB reader. I'll gladly spend a few hours to pass on all the tricks I've learned, including the power management, multimedia keys, etc as part of the sale. Power Notebooks A 2:21 Elite (Asus Z71V) 2.0Ghz Pentium-M (i.e. Centrino processor) 2GB RAM (maxed) 1680x1050 matte 15.4? display panel in perfect condition (possibly the nicest feature on the laptop) PCI-E internals, external cardbus slot for cell-card, etc. Geforce Go 6600 (as fast as a Desktop 6600 chip, but speed can be varied for power savings) 160GB SATA primary hard disk (upgradeable to 500GB) Standard size keyboard (sturdy keys), without numeric keypad Built-in light sensor and microphone Gigabit Ethernet 5 USB 2.0 ports Firewire port S-Video port SVGA port Intel HDA sound (capable of at least 5.1 digital output, perhaps 7.1) Intel A/B/G wireless card (extremely good antenna built into the display, one of the best I've seen) Two batteries (one primary, one in modular bay) Modular bay adapter for a 2.5 inch secondary hard disk, with 80GB drive (upgradeable to 500GB) Optical DVD-Burner (works, but I rarely used it - 8X write I think) From c.e.tower at gmail.com Sat May 16 21:57:09 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 21:57:09 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon 8.0 in 2010 Message-ID: <4A0F6EF5.9080406@gmail.com> We had the hand-off meeting today, at which this year's chairman (Matt Arnold) of the convention committee (concom) hands over control to next year's chairman (Randy Bradakis). Some things were discussed about next year's Penguicon that affect us. There will be no Brazilian beef. Randy and others just feel it is "tired" and has run its course. Last year it was also left out of the early planning but popular demand brought it back. However, I wouldn't count on that happening twice. Thank you all again for helping out with it, this year and in years past. Randy would like to make the computer lounge more a Penguicon offering than a GLLUG offering. What that means is unknown, except that they want other LUGs to get involved, too. Jer Lance also said we've been ignoring users of other OSs, such as FreeBSD, Mac OS X, and Windows, so they want to serve them better. Don't ask me what that means, as it makes no sense to me; it's not as though we barred Windows laptops from connecting to our wireless access point, so far as I know. Later I thought perhaps he meant we should have some Windows PCs in the lounge with other proprietary software that someone has requested, such as Adobe Photoshop or MS Office, but he also stressed that we want to feature open-source software in the lounge. I don't know what open-source software is available on Windows but not on GNU/Linux, but maybe he has something in mind. If I got any of this wrong, someone please correct me. It looks like the convention will be in the Troy Marriott Hotel April 30th, May 1st, and May 2nd. Jer Lance is trying to get fast wireless internet access that avoids the hotel's network. I don't know if that would include the computer lounge, but, as Marshal pointed out to me, if everyone is using another network, perhaps the hotel's network will be half-way decent. -- Chick From eduardo at cesconetto.com Sat May 16 22:14:11 2009 From: eduardo at cesconetto.com (Eduardo Cesconetto) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 21:14:11 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon 8.0 in 2010 In-Reply-To: <4A0F6EF5.9080406@gmail.com> References: <4A0F6EF5.9080406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <68105002-3018-4434-BF3A-CFBBFCE93861@cesconetto.com> Wow, so the penguin part of penguicon is in the crosshair... Nice, why do I have the feeling that next year will be called BSODcon? Eduardo Cesconetto - eduardo at cesconetto.com On May 16, 2009, at 8:57 PM, Chick Tower wrote: > We had the hand-off meeting today, at which this year's chairman (Matt > Arnold) of the convention committee (concom) hands over control to > next > year's chairman (Randy Bradakis). Some things were discussed about > next > year's Penguicon that affect us. > > There will be no Brazilian beef. Randy and others just feel it is > "tired" and has run its course. Last year it was also left out of the > early planning but popular demand brought it back. However, I > wouldn't > count on that happening twice. Thank you all again for helping out > with > it, this year and in years past. > > Randy would like to make the computer lounge more a Penguicon offering > than a GLLUG offering. What that means is unknown, except that they > want other LUGs to get involved, too. Jer Lance also said we've been > ignoring users of other OSs, such as FreeBSD, Mac OS X, and Windows, > so > they want to serve them better. Don't ask me what that means, as it > makes no sense to me; it's not as though we barred Windows laptops > from > connecting to our wireless access point, so far as I know. Later I > thought perhaps he meant we should have some Windows PCs in the lounge > with other proprietary software that someone has requested, such as > Adobe Photoshop or MS Office, but he also stressed that we want to > feature open-source software in the lounge. I don't know what > open-source software is available on Windows but not on GNU/Linux, but > maybe he has something in mind. If I got any of this wrong, someone > please correct me. > > It looks like the convention will be in the Troy Marriott Hotel April > 30th, May 1st, and May 2nd. Jer Lance is trying to get fast wireless > internet access that avoids the hotel's network. I don't know if that > would include the computer lounge, but, as Marshal pointed out to > me, if > everyone is using another network, perhaps the hotel's network will be > half-way decent. > -- > > Chick > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From marshal at freedombi.com Sat May 16 23:23:34 2009 From: marshal at freedombi.com (Marshal Newrock) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 23:23:34 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon 8.0 in 2010 In-Reply-To: <4A0F6EF5.9080406@gmail.com> References: <4A0F6EF5.9080406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090516232334.0aa114c5@osiris> Chick, thank you for writing this up. At this point, I don't think Randy's idea for what the computer lounge should be is well-defined, just that he wants it to be more than what it is now. I'm sure I'll be working with him to determine exactly what we want out of the computer lounge. This was just the kick-off meeting for Penguicon 8.0, so expecting clear-cut directives is a bit premature. I am in favor of the Computer Lounge being an actual Penguicon offering, as opposed to hoping GLLUG has the machines and manpower on its own to run it. Marshal On Sat, 16 May 2009 21:57:09 -0400 Chick Tower wrote: > We had the hand-off meeting today, at which this year's chairman > (Matt Arnold) of the convention committee (concom) hands over control > to next year's chairman (Randy Bradakis). Some things were discussed > about next year's Penguicon that affect us. > > There will be no Brazilian beef. Randy and others just feel it is > "tired" and has run its course. Last year it was also left out of > the early planning but popular demand brought it back. However, I > wouldn't count on that happening twice. Thank you all again for > helping out with it, this year and in years past. > > Randy would like to make the computer lounge more a Penguicon > offering than a GLLUG offering. What that means is unknown, except > that they want other LUGs to get involved, too. Jer Lance also said > we've been ignoring users of other OSs, such as FreeBSD, Mac OS X, > and Windows, so they want to serve them better. Don't ask me what > that means, as it makes no sense to me; it's not as though we barred > Windows laptops from connecting to our wireless access point, so far > as I know. Later I thought perhaps he meant we should have some > Windows PCs in the lounge with other proprietary software that > someone has requested, such as Adobe Photoshop or MS Office, but he > also stressed that we want to feature open-source software in the > lounge. I don't know what open-source software is available on > Windows but not on GNU/Linux, but maybe he has something in mind. If > I got any of this wrong, someone please correct me. > > It looks like the convention will be in the Troy Marriott Hotel April > 30th, May 1st, and May 2nd. Jer Lance is trying to get fast wireless > internet access that avoids the hotel's network. I don't know if > that would include the computer lounge, but, as Marshal pointed out > to me, if everyone is using another network, perhaps the hotel's > network will be half-way decent. -- Marshal Newrock 517-679-0699 x223 FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090516/f07e6709/attachment.bin From c.e.tower at gmail.com Sun May 17 00:00:22 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 00:00:22 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon 8.0 in 2010 In-Reply-To: <20090516232334.0aa114c5@osiris> References: <4A0F6EF5.9080406@gmail.com> <20090516232334.0aa114c5@osiris> Message-ID: <4A0F8BD6.3030707@gmail.com> I didn't mean to sound critical of this idea, Marshal. I just wanted to forestall any questions about what it means by saying, in effect, "I don't know what it means." I forgot to mention that I asked the dealer liaison, who is also a dealer, if she thought any dealers would have a problem with us selling Linux buttons in the computer lounge, as we did two or three years ago. She said she didn't see any problem with it, since the dealers don't sell Linux stuff, but that I should check with the people who run the computer lounge. Hmmm...where to find them? Chick Marshal Newrock wrote: > I am in favor of the Computer Lounge being an actual Penguicon > offering, as opposed to hoping GLLUG has the machines and manpower on > its own to run it. From c.e.tower at gmail.com Mon May 18 17:44:04 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 17:44:04 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Summer Cook-out Message-ID: <4A11D6A4.2070109@gmail.com> Didn't someone suggest a cook-out this summer? We had better start planning it before the summer is over. -- Chick From rick at divinesymphony.net Mon May 18 21:05:55 2009 From: rick at divinesymphony.net (Richard Houser) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:05:55 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon 8.0 in 2010 In-Reply-To: <4A0F8BD6.3030707@gmail.com> References: <4A0F6EF5.9080406@gmail.com> <20090516232334.0aa114c5@osiris> <4A0F8BD6.3030707@gmail.com> Message-ID: I guess we'll need to wait to find out what Jer means by the whole alternative OS thing. My keysigning sessions were platform nuetral for example, and I think there were a total of two Windows and possibly one OS X user among those participating. There's definitely some minor logistics problems with running multiple OSes in the lounge (if that means BSD/OpenSolaris), and some major (and pricy!) ones if that was to include MacOS (Apple Hardware) or Windows (higher end machines, OS License, AV license, firewall license, finding a Windows Admin for a Linux convention....., Ghost license, application software licenses unless the whole point is to spend more money to run the same apps under Windows, etc.). On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 12:00 AM, Chick Tower wrote: > I didn't mean to sound critical of this idea, Marshal. ?I just wanted to > forestall any questions about what it means by saying, in effect, "I > don't know what it means." > > I forgot to mention that I asked the dealer liaison, who is also a > dealer, if she thought any dealers would have a problem with us selling > Linux buttons in the computer lounge, as we did two or three years ago. > ?She said she didn't see any problem with it, since the dealers don't > sell Linux stuff, but that I should check with the people who run the > computer lounge. ?Hmmm...where to find them? > > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Chick > > > Marshal Newrock wrote: >> I am in favor of the Computer Lounge being an actual Penguicon >> offering, as opposed to hoping GLLUG has the machines and manpower on >> its own to run it. > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From charles at bityard.net Tue May 19 00:50:54 2009 From: charles at bityard.net (Charles) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 00:50:54 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon 8.0 in 2010 In-Reply-To: References: <4A0F6EF5.9080406@gmail.com> <20090516232334.0aa114c5@osiris> <4A0F8BD6.3030707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A123AAE.5040909@bityard.net> Richard Houser wrote: > I guess we'll need to wait to find out what Jer means by the whole > alternative OS thing. My keysigning sessions were platform nuetral > for example, and I think there were a total of two Windows and > possibly one OS X user among those participating. > > There's definitely some minor logistics problems with running multiple > OSes in the lounge (if that means BSD/OpenSolaris), and some major > (and pricy!) ones if that was to include MacOS (Apple Hardware) or > Windows (higher end machines, OS License, AV license, firewall > license, finding a Windows Admin for a Linux convention....., Ghost > license, application software licenses unless the whole point is to > spend more money to run the same apps under Windows, etc.). 'Zactly. The whole point of the computer lounge from the start was to show off some of the cool things you can do with free software and common (often "obsolete") hardware. Also, this con has a giant Tux for a mascot and a "Pengui" in the name, so I would have a hard time believing anyone seriously meant that the lounge is supposed to give equal time to non-free, proprietary software. Charles -- http://bityard.net From muteid10t at gmail.com Tue May 19 10:20:27 2009 From: muteid10t at gmail.com (Ron Blanchett) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 10:20:27 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon 8.0 in 2010 In-Reply-To: <4A123AAE.5040909@bityard.net> References: <4A0F6EF5.9080406@gmail.com> <20090516232334.0aa114c5@osiris> <4A0F8BD6.3030707@gmail.com> <4A123AAE.5040909@bityard.net> Message-ID: <52995d720905190720y38b03a5fwc10b8f7f1cb7abc9@mail.gmail.com> speculation is pointless, questions directed at the right people are helpful. -Ron On 5/19/09, Charles wrote: > > Richard Houser wrote: > > I guess we'll need to wait to find out what Jer means by the whole > > alternative OS thing. My keysigning sessions were platform nuetral > > for example, and I think there were a total of two Windows and > > possibly one OS X user among those participating. > > > > There's definitely some minor logistics problems with running multiple > > OSes in the lounge (if that means BSD/OpenSolaris), and some major > > (and pricy!) ones if that was to include MacOS (Apple Hardware) or > > Windows (higher end machines, OS License, AV license, firewall > > license, finding a Windows Admin for a Linux convention....., Ghost > > license, application software licenses unless the whole point is to > > spend more money to run the same apps under Windows, etc.). > > > 'Zactly. The whole point of the computer lounge from the start was to > show off some of the cool things you can do with free software and > common (often "obsolete") hardware. > > Also, this con has a giant Tux for a mascot and a "Pengui" in the name, > so I would have a hard time believing anyone seriously meant that the > lounge is supposed to give equal time to non-free, proprietary software. > > Charles > > -- > http://bityard.net > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -- -Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090519/785ab4a4/attachment.html From mortel at cyber-nos.com Tue May 19 11:54:08 2009 From: mortel at cyber-nos.com (Stanley C. Mortel) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 11:54:08 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon 8.0 in 2010 In-Reply-To: <52995d720905190720y38b03a5fwc10b8f7f1cb7abc9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A0F6EF5.9080406@gmail.com> <20090516232334.0aa114c5@osiris> <4A0F8BD6.3030707@gmail.com> <4A123AAE.5040909@bityard.net> <52995d720905190720y38b03a5fwc10b8f7f1cb7abc9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A12D620.2010406@cyber-nos.com> Ron is exactly right. I encourage everyone to readjust their way of thinking about the computer lounge at the Con. It is, first, foremost, and in its entirety, one of the many facets of Penguicon and under the control of the Con Chair. This year it looks like Marshal will be volunteering to head up the lounge, as a Con volunteer. We can all volunteer to help Marshal, as many of us will. Please, just remember that GLLUG is not running the lounge, not responsible for it, nor in charge of it. There has been considerable confusion about this in the past, myself included. Think of it as another Penguicon function that operates just like everything else. If Marshal does volunteer (or perhaps already has) to be in charge of the lounge, it will be as a Penguicon staff volunteer, not as a GLLUG member, per se. In any given year, the Con Chair has complete control over virtually everything. There doesn't have to be a computer lounge at all. If there is one, the Con Chair will give guidance to the volunteer in charge how it is to be configured. Let's just wait to see what Marshall (or whoever is selected to be the volunteer in charge of the lounge) says the lounge is to be like, then do what we can to make it happen. Stan Ron Blanchett wrote: > speculation is pointless, questions directed at the right people are > helpful. > > -Ron > > On 5/19/09, *Charles* > wrote: > > Richard Houser wrote: > > I guess we'll need to wait to find out what Jer means by the whole > > alternative OS thing. My keysigning sessions were platform nuetral > > for example, and I think there were a total of two Windows and > > possibly one OS X user among those participating. > > > > There's definitely some minor logistics problems with running > multiple > > OSes in the lounge (if that means BSD/OpenSolaris), and some major > > (and pricy!) ones if that was to include MacOS (Apple Hardware) or > > Windows (higher end machines, OS License, AV license, firewall > > license, finding a Windows Admin for a Linux convention....., Ghost > > license, application software licenses unless the whole point is to > > spend more money to run the same apps under Windows, etc.). > > > 'Zactly. The whole point of the computer lounge from the start was to > show off some of the cool things you can do with free software and > common (often "obsolete") hardware. > > Also, this con has a giant Tux for a mascot and a "Pengui" in the > name, > so I would have a hard time believing anyone seriously meant that the > lounge is supposed to give equal time to non-free, proprietary > software. > > Charles > > -- > http://bityard.net > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > > > > -- > -Ron > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090519/197ceef5/attachment.html From clay at lazarusid.com Tue May 19 14:08:08 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 13:08:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon 8.0 in 2010 In-Reply-To: <4A12D620.2010406@cyber-nos.com> References: <4A0F6EF5.9080406@gmail.com> <20090516232334.0aa114c5@osiris> <4A0F8BD6.3030707@gmail.com> <4A123AAE.5040909@bityard.net> <52995d720905190720y38b03a5fwc10b8f7f1cb7abc9@mail.gmail.com> <4A12D620.2010406@cyber-nos.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 May 2009, Stanley C. Mortel wrote: > Ron is exactly right. I encourage everyone to readjust their way of thinking > about the computer lounge at the Con. It is, first, foremost, and in its > entirety, one of the many facets of Penguicon and under the control of the > Con Chair. This year it looks like Marshal will be volunteering to head up > the lounge, as a Con volunteer. We can all volunteer to help Marshal, as I think that's the bit that hasn't been clear. Previously the lounge was pretty much GLLUG's show, and this year it looks like it will be brought in as an actual Penguicon event. Which does, indeed, make it the Con Chair's show. And hey, if folks have good ideas for making the lounge better, that's all to the good. If the ideas can come at us early we, or whoever else volunteers for it, can get started on making it happen. Clay From marshal at freedombi.com Tue May 19 14:15:05 2009 From: marshal at freedombi.com (Marshal Newrock) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:15:05 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon 8.0 in 2010 In-Reply-To: References: <4A0F6EF5.9080406@gmail.com> <20090516232334.0aa114c5@osiris> <4A0F8BD6.3030707@gmail.com> <4A123AAE.5040909@bityard.net> <52995d720905190720y38b03a5fwc10b8f7f1cb7abc9@mail.gmail.com> <4A12D620.2010406@cyber-nos.com> Message-ID: <20090519141505.2692a1f8@osiris> On Tue, 19 May 2009 13:08:08 -0500 (EST) Clay Dowling wrote: > On Tue, 19 May 2009, Stanley C. Mortel wrote: > > > Ron is exactly right. I encourage everyone to readjust their way > > of thinking about the computer lounge at the Con. It is, first, > > foremost, and in its entirety, one of the many facets of Penguicon > > and under the control of the Con Chair. This year it looks like > > Marshal will be volunteering to head up the lounge, as a Con > > volunteer. We can all volunteer to help Marshal, as > > I think that's the bit that hasn't been clear. Previously the lounge > was pretty much GLLUG's show, and this year it looks like it will be > brought in as an actual Penguicon event. Which does, indeed, make it > the Con Chair's show. > > And hey, if folks have good ideas for making the lounge better, > that's all to the good. If the ideas can come at us early we, or > whoever else volunteers for it, can get started on making it happen. All else aside, one of the things I'd like to do is have some kind of document about the terminal server, with some theory as well as detailed setup instructions. For a computer lounge, the computer lounge does quite well. For open source advocacy, I'm guessing most people who use it barely realize that they're using Linux. Marshal Newrock -- Marshal Newrock 517-679-0699 x223 FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This list is not the place for those questions either because I can guarantee you that Randy will not get them if you ask him to answer them here. -Ron On 5/19/09, Clay Dowling wrote: > > On Tue, 19 May 2009, Stanley C. Mortel wrote: > > > Ron is exactly right. I encourage everyone to readjust their way of > thinking > > about the computer lounge at the Con. It is, first, foremost, and in its > > entirety, one of the many facets of Penguicon and under the control of > the > > Con Chair. This year it looks like Marshal will be volunteering to head > up > > the lounge, as a Con volunteer. We can all volunteer to help Marshal, as > > > I think that's the bit that hasn't been clear. Previously the lounge was > pretty much GLLUG's show, and this year it looks like it will be brought > in as an actual Penguicon event. Which does, indeed, make it the Con > Chair's show. > > And hey, if folks have good ideas for making the lounge better, that's all > to the good. If the ideas can come at us early we, or whoever else > volunteers for it, can get started on making it happen. > > > Clay > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -- -Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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David On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Ron Blanchett wrote: > The computer lounge has always been Penguicon's Show, GLLUG was just allowed > to do with it as they pleased. > > This year that is changing and Randy (ConChair 2010) is the man to talk to > on how he is changing that. > > Speculation will get you no where, Direct, Clear, Concise questions will get > you answer. > > This list is not the place for those questions either because I can > guarantee you that Randy will not get them if you ask him to answer them > here. > > -Ron > > On 5/19/09, Clay Dowling wrote: >> >> On Tue, 19 May 2009, Stanley C. Mortel wrote: >> >> > Ron is exactly right.??I encourage everyone to readjust their way of >> > thinking >> > about the computer lounge at the Con.??It is, first, foremost, and in >> > its >> > entirety, one of the many facets of Penguicon and under the control of >> > the >> > Con Chair.??This year it looks like Marshal will be volunteering to head >> > up >> > the lounge, as a Con volunteer.??We can all volunteer to help Marshal, >> > as >> >> >> I think that's the bit that hasn't been clear.??Previously the lounge was >> pretty much GLLUG's show, and this year it looks like it will be brought >> in as an actual Penguicon event.??Which does, indeed, make it the Con >> Chair's show. >> >> And hey, if folks have good ideas for making the lounge better, that's all >> to the good.??If the ideas can come at us early we, or whoever else >> volunteers for it, can get started on making it happen. >> >> >> Clay >> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > > > -- > -Ron > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > From eduardo at cesconetto.com Tue May 19 14:54:19 2009 From: eduardo at cesconetto.com (eduardo cesconetto) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 13:54:19 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon 8.0 in 2010 In-Reply-To: <80324a260905191139y4d158a40m4bb260e12039bf19@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A0F6EF5.9080406@gmail.com> <20090516232334.0aa114c5@osiris> <4A0F8BD6.3030707@gmail.com> <4A123AAE.5040909@bityard.net> <52995d720905190720y38b03a5fwc10b8f7f1cb7abc9@mail.gmail.com> <4A12D620.2010406@cyber-nos.com> <52995d720905191121i339624fcx23b3632c4691aba0@mail.gmail.com> <80324a260905191139y4d158a40m4bb260e12039bf19@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <916F2408-81B4-4222-8122-AB9485E987A2@cesconetto.com> Seriously, GLLUG should just drop this shit. For the last few years we have been busting our asses for Penguicon, and we always get criticism back, let the take care of it, the whole event is turning in another direction anyway. The good old times are over, it's not about Open Source anymore, GLLUG resources should be focused on local education(some of you remember the idea of going to schools doing panels) and other OS projects. I got sick loading equipment in the rain along with a few more brave volunteers for Penguicon, and in return we get nagging back. With this note, I am going to be filtering out all email from this list with Penguicon in the topic, this turned into a pile of crap in my humble opinion.. ? Eduardo Cesconetto - eduardo at cesconetto.com - www.cesconetto.com On May 19, 2009, at 1:39 PM, David Singer wrote: > Other OS's could be fun but who is going to pony up the money? By then > Snow Leopard and Windows 7 will be out which means the cheapest Mac > hardware is likely to run around $500/machine (very used) and probably > $250 for the most basic windows machine. > > David > > On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Ron Blanchett > wrote: >> The computer lounge has always been Penguicon's Show, GLLUG was >> just allowed >> to do with it as they pleased. >> >> This year that is changing and Randy (ConChair 2010) is the man to >> talk to >> on how he is changing that. >> >> Speculation will get you no where, Direct, Clear, Concise questions >> will get >> you answer. >> >> This list is not the place for those questions either because I can >> guarantee you that Randy will not get them if you ask him to answer >> them >> here. >> >> -Ron >> >> On 5/19/09, Clay Dowling wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, 19 May 2009, Stanley C. Mortel wrote: >>> >>>> Ron is exactly right. I encourage everyone to readjust their way >>>> of >>>> thinking >>>> about the computer lounge at the Con. It is, first, foremost, >>>> and in >>>> its >>>> entirety, one of the many facets of Penguicon and under the >>>> control of >>>> the >>>> Con Chair. This year it looks like Marshal will be volunteering >>>> to head >>>> up >>>> the lounge, as a Con volunteer. We can all volunteer to help >>>> Marshal, >>>> as >>> >>> >>> I think that's the bit that hasn't been clear. Previously the >>> lounge was >>> pretty much GLLUG's show, and this year it looks like it will be >>> brought >>> in as an actual Penguicon event. Which does, indeed, make it the >>> Con >>> Chair's show. >>> >>> And hey, if folks have good ideas for making the lounge better, >>> that's all >>> to the good. If the ideas can come at us early we, or whoever else >>> volunteers for it, can get started on making it happen. >>> >>> >>> Clay >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> linux-user mailing list >>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> >> >> >> -- >> -Ron >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Contact Randy and he will tell you how it is going to work, at this point continuing this conversation is pointless and gets you no where. -Ron On 5/19/09, David Singer wrote: > > Other OS's could be fun but who is going to pony up the money? By then > Snow Leopard and Windows 7 will be out which means the cheapest Mac > hardware is likely to run around $500/machine (very used) and probably > $250 for the most basic windows machine. > > > David > > > On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Ron Blanchett > wrote: > > The computer lounge has always been Penguicon's Show, GLLUG was just > allowed > > to do with it as they pleased. > > > > This year that is changing and Randy (ConChair 2010) is the man to talk > to > > on how he is changing that. > > > > Speculation will get you no where, Direct, Clear, Concise questions will > get > > you answer. > > > > This list is not the place for those questions either because I can > > guarantee you that Randy will not get them if you ask him to answer them > > here. > > > > -Ron > > > > On 5/19/09, Clay Dowling wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, 19 May 2009, Stanley C. Mortel wrote: > >> > >> > Ron is exactly right. I encourage everyone to readjust their way of > >> > thinking > >> > about the computer lounge at the Con. It is, first, foremost, and in > >> > its > >> > entirety, one of the many facets of Penguicon and under the control of > >> > the > >> > Con Chair. This year it looks like Marshal will be volunteering to > head > >> > up > >> > the lounge, as a Con volunteer. We can all volunteer to help Marshal, > >> > as > >> > >> > >> I think that's the bit that hasn't been clear. Previously the lounge > was > >> pretty much GLLUG's show, and this year it looks like it will be brought > >> in as an actual Penguicon event. Which does, indeed, make it the Con > >> Chair's show. > >> > >> And hey, if folks have good ideas for making the lounge better, that's > all > >> to the good. If the ideas can come at us early we, or whoever else > >> volunteers for it, can get started on making it happen. > >> > >> > >> Clay > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> linux-user mailing list > >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu > >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > > > > > > > -- > > -Ron > > _______________________________________________ > > linux-user mailing list > > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -- -Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 5/19/09, Ron Blanchett wrote: > > > Wow, more second guessing decisions that are out side of GLLUG control. > Speculating on who things are going to work on this list will get you no > where. > Contact Randy and he will tell you how it is going to work, at this point > continuing this conversation is pointless and gets you no where. > > -Ron > > On 5/19/09, David Singer wrote: >> >> Other OS's could be fun but who is going to pony up the money? By then >> Snow Leopard and Windows 7 will be out which means the cheapest Mac >> hardware is likely to run around $500/machine (very used) and probably >> $250 for the most basic windows machine. >> >> >> David >> >> >> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Ron Blanchett >> wrote: >> > The computer lounge has always been Penguicon's Show, GLLUG was just >> allowed >> > to do with it as they pleased. >> > >> > This year that is changing and Randy (ConChair 2010) is the man to talk >> to >> > on how he is changing that. >> > >> > Speculation will get you no where, Direct, Clear, Concise questions will >> get >> > you answer. >> > >> > This list is not the place for those questions either because I can >> > guarantee you that Randy will not get them if you ask him to answer them >> > here. >> > >> > -Ron >> > >> > On 5/19/09, Clay Dowling wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, 19 May 2009, Stanley C. Mortel wrote: >> >> >> >> > Ron is exactly right. I encourage everyone to readjust their way of >> >> > thinking >> >> > about the computer lounge at the Con. It is, first, foremost, and in >> >> > its >> >> > entirety, one of the many facets of Penguicon and under the control >> of >> >> > the >> >> > Con Chair. This year it looks like Marshal will be volunteering to >> head >> >> > up >> >> > the lounge, as a Con volunteer. We can all volunteer to help >> Marshal, >> >> > as >> >> >> >> >> >> I think that's the bit that hasn't been clear. Previously the lounge >> was >> >> pretty much GLLUG's show, and this year it looks like it will be >> brought >> >> in as an actual Penguicon event. Which does, indeed, make it the Con >> >> Chair's show. >> >> >> >> And hey, if folks have good ideas for making the lounge better, that's >> all >> >> to the good. If the ideas can come at us early we, or whoever else >> >> volunteers for it, can get started on making it happen. >> >> >> >> >> >> Clay >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> linux-user mailing list >> >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > -Ron >> > _______________________________________________ >> > linux-user mailing list >> > linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> > > > > -- > -Ron -- -Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meanwhile, we're still working on assumptions. Marshal On Tue, 19 May 2009 14:39:29 -0400 David Singer wrote: > Other OS's could be fun but who is going to pony up the money? By then > Snow Leopard and Windows 7 will be out which means the cheapest Mac > hardware is likely to run around $500/machine (very used) and probably > $250 for the most basic windows machine. > > David > > On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Ron Blanchett > wrote: > > The computer lounge has always been Penguicon's Show, GLLUG was > > just allowed to do with it as they pleased. > > > > This year that is changing and Randy (ConChair 2010) is the man to > > talk to on how he is changing that. > > > > Speculation will get you no where, Direct, Clear, Concise questions > > will get you answer. > > > > This list is not the place for those questions either because I can > > guarantee you that Randy will not get them if you ask him to answer > > them here. > > > > -Ron > > > > On 5/19/09, Clay Dowling wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, 19 May 2009, Stanley C. Mortel wrote: > >> > >> > Ron is exactly right.??I encourage everyone to readjust their > >> > way of thinking > >> > about the computer lounge at the Con.??It is, first, foremost, > >> > and in its > >> > entirety, one of the many facets of Penguicon and under the > >> > control of the > >> > Con Chair.??This year it looks like Marshal will be volunteering > >> > to head up > >> > the lounge, as a Con volunteer.??We can all volunteer to help > >> > Marshal, as > >> > >> > >> I think that's the bit that hasn't been clear.??Previously the > >> lounge was pretty much GLLUG's show, and this year it looks like > >> it will be brought in as an actual Penguicon event.??Which does, > >> indeed, make it the Con Chair's show. > >> > >> And hey, if folks have good ideas for making the lounge better, > >> that's all to the good.??If the ideas can come at us early we, or > >> whoever else volunteers for it, can get started on making it > >> happen. > >> > >> > >> Clay > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> linux-user mailing list > >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu > >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > > > > > > > -- > > -Ron > > _______________________________________________ > > linux-user mailing list > > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -- Marshal Newrock 517-679-0699 x223 FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Ron Blanchett wrote: > > Might I add continuing to whine about it might get you removed from being > involved with the lounge all together. > Not my call but you never know. > > On 5/19/09, Ron Blanchett wrote: >> >> Wow, more second guessing decisions that are out side of GLLUG control. >> Speculating on who things are going to work on this list will get you no >> where. >> Contact Randy and he will tell you how it is going to work, at this point >> continuing this conversation is pointless and gets you no where. >> >> -Ron >> >> On 5/19/09, David Singer wrote: >>> >>> Other OS's could be fun but who is going to pony up the money? By then >>> Snow Leopard and Windows 7 will be out which means the cheapest Mac >>> hardware is likely to run around $500/machine (very used) and probably >>> $250 for the most basic windows machine. >>> >>> >>> David >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Ron Blanchett >>> wrote: >>> > The computer lounge has always been Penguicon's Show, GLLUG was just >>> > allowed >>> > to do with it as they pleased. >>> > >>> > This year that is changing and Randy (ConChair 2010) is the man to talk >>> > to >>> > on how he is changing that. >>> > >>> > Speculation will get you no where, Direct, Clear, Concise questions >>> > will get >>> > you answer. >>> > >>> > This list is not the place for those questions either because I can >>> > guarantee you that Randy will not get them if you ask him to answer >>> > them >>> > here. >>> > >>> > -Ron >>> > >>> > On 5/19/09, Clay Dowling wrote: >>> >> >>> >> On Tue, 19 May 2009, Stanley C. Mortel wrote: >>> >> >>> >> > Ron is exactly right.??I encourage everyone to readjust their way of >>> >> > thinking >>> >> > about the computer lounge at the Con.??It is, first, foremost, and >>> >> > in >>> >> > its >>> >> > entirety, one of the many facets of Penguicon and under the control >>> >> > of >>> >> > the >>> >> > Con Chair.??This year it looks like Marshal will be volunteering to >>> >> > head >>> >> > up >>> >> > the lounge, as a Con volunteer.??We can all volunteer to help >>> >> > Marshal, >>> >> > as >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> I think that's the bit that hasn't been clear.??Previously the lounge >>> >> was >>> >> pretty much GLLUG's show, and this year it looks like it will be >>> >> brought >>> >> in as an actual Penguicon event.??Which does, indeed, make it the Con >>> >> Chair's show. >>> >> >>> >> And hey, if folks have good ideas for making the lounge better, that's >>> >> all >>> >> to the good.??If the ideas can come at us early we, or whoever else >>> >> volunteers for it, can get started on making it happen. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Clay >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> linux-user mailing list >>> >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>> >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > -Ron >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > linux-user mailing list >>> > linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>> > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>> > >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> linux-user mailing list >>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> >> >> >> -- >> -Ron > > > -- > -Ron > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > From eduardo at cesconetto.com Tue May 19 22:33:57 2009 From: eduardo at cesconetto.com (eduardo cesconetto) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 21:33:57 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon 8.0 in 2010 In-Reply-To: <984d708a0905191636g7eb2c82x7d320f078af1806c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A0F6EF5.9080406@gmail.com> <4A123AAE.5040909@bityard.net> <52995d720905190720y38b03a5fwc10b8f7f1cb7abc9@mail.gmail.com> <4A12D620.2010406@cyber-nos.com> <52995d720905191121i339624fcx23b3632c4691aba0@mail.gmail.com> <80324a260905191139y4d158a40m4bb260e12039bf19@mail.gmail.com> <52995d720905191154h283e382bk3fffad2926c374dd@mail.gmail.com> <52995d720905191155x36736123se17bc099a0c1c704@mail.gmail.com> <984d708a0905191636g7eb2c82x7d320f078af1806c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3FACEBE4-6924-4BDB-8AC9-8D42C371F5B1@cesconetto.com> Agreed, this is OUR space, you punks! :) ? Eduardo Cesconetto - eduardo at cesconetto.com - www.cesconetto.com On May 19, 2009, at 6:36 PM, Karl Schuttler wrote: > Whining on the _penguincon list_ might result in those actions, but > this is the GLLUG list, and therefor the appropriate place for > GLLUGers to express their opinions on the situation, speculation or > not. > > On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Ron Blanchett > wrote: >> >> Might I add continuing to whine about it might get you removed from >> being >> involved with the lounge all together. >> Not my call but you never know. >> >> On 5/19/09, Ron Blanchett wrote: >>> >>> Wow, more second guessing decisions that are out side of GLLUG >>> control. >>> Speculating on who things are going to work on this list will get >>> you no >>> where. >>> Contact Randy and he will tell you how it is going to work, at >>> this point >>> continuing this conversation is pointless and gets you no where. >>> >>> -Ron >>> >>> On 5/19/09, David Singer wrote: >>>> >>>> Other OS's could be fun but who is going to pony up the money? By >>>> then >>>> Snow Leopard and Windows 7 will be out which means the cheapest Mac >>>> hardware is likely to run around $500/machine (very used) and >>>> probably >>>> $250 for the most basic windows machine. >>>> >>>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Ron Blanchett >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>>> The computer lounge has always been Penguicon's Show, GLLUG was >>>>> just >>>>> allowed >>>>> to do with it as they pleased. >>>>> >>>>> This year that is changing and Randy (ConChair 2010) is the man >>>>> to talk >>>>> to >>>>> on how he is changing that. >>>>> >>>>> Speculation will get you no where, Direct, Clear, Concise >>>>> questions >>>>> will get >>>>> you answer. >>>>> >>>>> This list is not the place for those questions either because I >>>>> can >>>>> guarantee you that Randy will not get them if you ask him to >>>>> answer >>>>> them >>>>> here. >>>>> >>>>> -Ron >>>>> >>>>> On 5/19/09, Clay Dowling wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 19 May 2009, Stanley C. Mortel wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Ron is exactly right. I encourage everyone to readjust their >>>>>>> way of >>>>>>> thinking >>>>>>> about the computer lounge at the Con. It is, first, foremost, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> its >>>>>>> entirety, one of the many facets of Penguicon and under the >>>>>>> control >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Con Chair. This year it looks like Marshal will be >>>>>>> volunteering to >>>>>>> head >>>>>>> up >>>>>>> the lounge, as a Con volunteer. We can all volunteer to help >>>>>>> Marshal, >>>>>>> as >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I think that's the bit that hasn't been clear. Previously the >>>>>> lounge >>>>>> was >>>>>> pretty much GLLUG's show, and this year it looks like it will be >>>>>> brought >>>>>> in as an actual Penguicon event. Which does, indeed, make it >>>>>> the Con >>>>>> Chair's show. >>>>>> >>>>>> And hey, if folks have good ideas for making the lounge better, >>>>>> that's >>>>>> all >>>>>> to the good. 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Eduardo Cesconetto - eduardo at cesconetto.com - www.cesconetto.com On May 19, 2009, at 10:12 PM, Mark Thuemmel wrote: > Greetings Eduardo, > > First, thanks for the talk I think you did at a LUG meeting I > attended a > year or two ago....if you are the same guy, you did a good > presentation. Don't remember you, sorry... > Next, I think you are the original Brazilian Beef guy, again thanks > for > the efforts! NP, I just try to do the Open Source thing, sharing my culture with everybody w/o giving a damn for recognition or any kind of return. Humanity deserves better cooked beef. :P > > > Your response here does not seem to be what I'd expect from your past > contributions....Please, let's focus on how we can provide an awesome > Linux experience at the next Penguicon, and offer how to make it > happen. You can expect whatever you want, I am going to speak my mind anyway, believe me, most of us think the same, some even sent me private emails agreeing with my position, but I guess I have this bad habit of telling how it is... > Don't let the few people that don't respect you get you down....I've > enjoyed you and GLLUG's endless contributions so far....seriously > GLLUG > stepped up in many ways over the years at Penguicon. I do not know what u talking about, I could give less of a shit about somebody not respecting me because I don't agree with the way things are going. And because GLLUG stepped up, it deservers recognition and MORE AUTONOMY, not the teenager screw-up son treatment it's getting from the ConCom. > My 2 cents....ignore me if you like. I'll be at next year's Penguicon > even if you and GLLUG just bitch. Consider yourself ignored, and have fun next year, I'll certainly not going to be there. I'm done with WhateverCon... > So let someone set up a Windows box in the Lounge for the poor lost > soul > attending Penguicon that does not know the first thing about Linux. Sure, go ahead and put a Windows licensed machine available for public usage, let's see how many copyright/license infringements you idiots can achieve. I had to deal with Windows licensing before, and it's fun! Go for it! > >> Seriously, GLLUG should just drop this shit. For the last few years >> we >> have been busting our asses for Penguicon, and we always get >> criticism >> back, let the take care of it, the whole event is turning in another >> direction anyway. The good old times are over, it's not about Open >> Source anymore, GLLUG resources should be focused on local >> education(some of you remember the idea of going to schools doing >> panels) and other OS projects. >> >> I got sick loading equipment in the rain along with a few more brave >> volunteers for Penguicon, and in return we get nagging back. >> >> With this note, I am going to be filtering out all email from this >> list >> with Penguicon in the topic, this turned into a pile of crap in my >> humble opinion.. >> >> ? Eduardo Cesconetto - eduardo at cesconetto.com >> - www.cesconetto.com >> >> >> On May 19, 2009, at 1:39 PM, David Singer wrote: >> >>> Other OS's could be fun but who is going to pony up the money? By >>> then >>> Snow Leopard and Windows 7 will be out which means the cheapest Mac >>> hardware is likely to run around $500/machine (very used) and >>> probably >>> $250 for the most basic windows machine. >>> >>> David >>> >>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Ron Blanchett >> > wrote: >>>> The computer lounge has always been Penguicon's Show, GLLUG was >>>> just >>>> allowed >>>> to do with it as they pleased. >>>> >>>> This year that is changing and Randy (ConChair 2010) is the man to >>>> talk to >>>> on how he is changing that. >>>> >>>> Speculation will get you no where, Direct, Clear, Concise questions >>>> will get >>>> you answer. >>>> >>>> This list is not the place for those questions either because I can >>>> guarantee you that Randy will not get them if you ask him to >>>> answer them >>>> here. >>>> >>>> -Ron >>>> >>>> On 5/19/09, Clay Dowling >>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 19 May 2009, Stanley C. Mortel wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ron is exactly right. I encourage everyone to readjust their >>>>>> way of >>>>>> thinking >>>>>> about the computer lounge at the Con. It is, first, foremost, >>>>>> and in >>>>>> its >>>>>> entirety, one of the many facets of Penguicon and under the >>>>>> control of >>>>>> the >>>>>> Con Chair. This year it looks like Marshal will be >>>>>> volunteering to >>>>>> head >>>>>> up >>>>>> the lounge, as a Con volunteer. We can all volunteer to help >>>>>> Marshal, >>>>>> as >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I think that's the bit that hasn't been clear. Previously the >>>>> lounge was >>>>> pretty much GLLUG's show, and this year it looks like it will be >>>>> brought >>>>> in as an actual Penguicon event. Which does, indeed, make it >>>>> the Con >>>>> Chair's show. >>>>> >>>>> And hey, if folks have good ideas for making the lounge better, >>>>> that's all >>>>> to the good. If the ideas can come at us early we, or whoever >>>>> else >>>>> volunteers for it, can get started on making it happen. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Clay >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> linux-user mailing list >>>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -Ron >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> linux-user mailing list >>>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> linux-user mailing list >>> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >>> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user at egr.msu.edu >> http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090520/628f4ac6/attachment.html From clay at lazarusid.com Wed May 20 15:42:43 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:42:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Penguicon situation Message-ID: For everyone who is still butt-hurt about the Penguicon thing: you can relax. The new con chair posted on the Penguicon-general list about the lounge situation. He isn't looking for anything radically different. He's committed to a lot of the things we've wanted for a long time, like getting other user groups involved, and getting real internet access for the whole con, including the lounge. How he's going to go about doing that is still in limbo. What he wants to do is kind of a tall order, so he can't just say "GLLUG, go do this" and it will all work out. He's got to think about what he can really accomplish, and how to manage everything without going crazy. The best bet for GLLUG is to make sure we're part of the solution. I've emailed him privately and offered to help out, and I believe that Marshal has also spoken with him. The goal is that we're closely involved with ConCom and somebody is actually running the lounge, rather than the fairly casual approach that we've used in the past. It's not a slam on us from anybody at Penguicon, but a way to avoid having to put up with some of the bullshit that we've had to deal with in the past, like events scheduled without consulting us and uncertainty about how volunteer time was being handled. From jeff at idealso.com Thu May 21 11:19:15 2009 From: jeff at idealso.com (Jeff Lawton) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 11:19:15 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguudindfondongcon 8.0 in 2010 Spelled Wrong just for Eduardo :-) In-Reply-To: References: <4A0F6EF5.9080406@gmail.com> <20090516232334.0aa114c5@osiris> <4A0F8BD6.3030707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A1570F3.1070808@idealso.com> First I would like to express appreciation to all the people that have helped make the Lounge and Penguudindfondongcon possible over the years. I would like to thank Charles and Marshal for having the passion to take over the lounge in the first place. I would like to thank Eduardo for introducing everyone to Brazilian style beef. (and speed beef :-)) I have to reflect how amazing the member of the GLLUG are. We started doing the lounge because several of us believed it was being neglected. Over the years we have done much of it ourselves. I see this as a complement. Until now the con-com has not appreciated (if that is the right word) the value of the Lounge. Having the new Con-chair recognizing it and deeming it worth of attention is what we wanted when we started doing the lounge. Just think of what new thing we may make a reality now that the lounge has a life of its own. I am personally looking forward to the Lounge getting some formality from the cons Perspective. This year was a prime example. At first we all got involved with communicating to the Con personnel. This was found to be overwhelming and counter productive. This list is absolutely the place to disuse relevant issue and once we have worked out what we are actually after , our spokesmen , this year Marshal, can bring it up to the con-com. I suspect that much of this Penguudindfondongcon lounge mail can and will be moved to a Penguudindfondongcon-Lounge list at some point and the rest of the list can go back to talking about beer and guns, oh and linux. -- Jeff Lawton Ideal Solution, LLC 517-485-2650 ext 220 jeff at idealso.com http://www.idealso.com From marshal at freedombi.com Thu May 21 12:34:19 2009 From: marshal at freedombi.com (Marshal Newrock) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 12:34:19 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguudindfondongcon 8.0 in 2010 Spelled Wrong just for Eduardo :-) In-Reply-To: <4A1570F3.1070808@idealso.com> References: <4A0F6EF5.9080406@gmail.com> <20090516232334.0aa114c5@osiris> <4A0F8BD6.3030707@gmail.com> <4A1570F3.1070808@idealso.com> Message-ID: <20090521123419.6736f059@osiris> On Thu, 21 May 2009 11:19:15 -0400 Jeff Lawton wrote: > We started doing the lounge because several of us believed it was > being neglected. Over the years we have done much of it ourselves. > I see this as a complement. Until now the con-com has not > appreciated (if that is the right word) the value of the Lounge. > Having the new Con-chair recognizing it and deeming it worth of > attention is what we wanted when we started doing the lounge. Just > think of what new thing we may make a reality now that the lounge has > a life of its own. I'll disagree with the statement that it was not appreciated. I think it was taken for granted, largely because we said we'd do it, and then on the appointed day, it was just there (something that became a little harder every year). There have been attempts to have programming (mostly in the con sense of the word) in the computer lounge, so it hasn't been getting ignored, just treated like another room. This upcoming year should be different (in a good way) in that regard. Marshal -- Marshal Newrock 517-679-0699 x223 FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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They're being auctioned at Michiganstateauctions.com. The towers can be disposed of, if you were to wish (mainly, I'm listing these for the monitors, where you can get 15-17 inch LCDs for waaaaaay less than retail). Keep an eye out for these under Computers. There should be (supposedly) around 100 of them going to market. I know I'm going to try for one of them. 1) Dell SX260 15? LCD Monitor Pentium 4 @2.4GHz 1 GB RAM 20 GB Hard drive Floppy drive or CD-Rom Linux operating system only (from the pictures, some form of Ubuntu) 2) Dell GX280 17? LCD Monitor Pentium 4 @ 2.8 GHz 512 GB Ram or 2 GB Ram 40 GB Hard drive Floppy Drive DVD ROM/CD-RW or DVD-RW Linux operating system only(from the pictures, some form of Ubuntu) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20090523/9c90b611/attachment.html From dbosman at msu.edu Sun May 24 00:16:20 2009 From: dbosman at msu.edu (Don Bosman) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 00:16:20 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] my comments on the Computers for sale In-Reply-To: <93f068b10905232013v59fbbcb0y846185d8937ee754@mail.gmail.com> References: <93f068b10905232013v59fbbcb0y846185d8937ee754@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A18CA14.5090305@msu.edu> Nobody asked, but what the heck. As a guy who has purchased computers in lots, and at auctions, here is my three cents worth: I was a Dell 'certified' tech for a few years if that alters anyones opinion of my opinion. The pictured SX260, service tag 99MH821, was shipped from Dell 1/6/2003 SX260s have two RAM sockets and max out at 2 gig. They use DDR 2700 (DDR333) or DDR 3200 (DDR400) modules. Make sure you get the power supply. It's an external brick that may be worth more than the system shown. I can't read the blurry tag on the GX280, but as I'm using a GX280 at this moment, I'll comment. GX280s should all be hyper-threading P4s. They probably shipped in 2003 or 2004. There are four RAM sockets and they max out at 4 gig. They use DDR2 5300 (DDR2-667) or DDR2 6400 (DDR2-800) modules. The pictured LCDs came after the huge lot of Dell LCDs with bad caps, so they should have life left in them. Keep in mind that libraries ran these all day every day they were open for roughly the last six years. If you want to know what they are worth, check the past sales history on eBay. So, the library is upgrading a lot of machines. And thusly, they're getting rid of the old ones. > > Keep an eye out for these under Computers. There should be > (supposedly) around 100 of them going to market. I know I'm going to > try for one of them. > > 1) Dell SX260 > 15? LCD Monitor > Pentium 4 @2.4GHz > 1 GB RAM > 20 GB Hard drive > Floppy drive or CD-Rom > Linux operating system only (from the pictures, some form of Ubuntu) > > 2) Dell GX280 > 17? LCD Monitor > Pentium 4 @ 2.8 GHz > 512 GB Ram or 2 GB Ram > 40 GB Hard drive > Floppy Drive > DVD ROM/CD-RW or DVD-RW > From c.e.tower at gmail.com Sun May 24 00:19:25 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 00:19:25 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] And I goofed. In-Reply-To: <93f068b10905232015kde8bdcaudba89bffdedfad7b@mail.gmail.com> References: <93f068b10905232015kde8bdcaudba89bffdedfad7b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A18CACD.9070909@gmail.com> Thanks for posting this information, Ariel. The website is a little confusing, but it looks like the auction on these ends Monday at 6:00 p.m. Chick Ariel Lonchar wrote: > The correct website is michiganauctionsales.com > , not michiganstateauctions.com > > > Good luck From david at ramaboo.com Wed May 27 19:56:21 2009 From: david at ramaboo.com (David Singer) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:56:21 -0400 Subject: [GLLUG] Hi8 and Video to USB equipment Message-ID: <80324a260905271656j46850ffl4ff3a0dd76c6e98b@mail.gmail.com> I have a collection of about 50 Hi8 mm tapes that I want to digitise. I was wondering if anyone had one of those video (either composite or S-Video) to USB adapters I could barrow for a week or two? I was also wondering if anyone had a Hi8 mm camcorder I could barrow for the same time. I have one but it really likes to eat tapes so I would rather avoid running my collection though it if possible. I want to move/organize my film collection onto dvd before the tapes deteriorate anymore and before Hi8 gear becomes impossible to find. Thanks David