From clay at lazarusid.com Tue Nov 3 10:45:08 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (clay at lazarusid.com) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:45:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] vi class Message-ID: <54556.12.37.120.99.1257263108.squirrel@webmail.lazarusid.com> Just a reminder to everybody that we're holding our vi class this Thursday, November 5 in the third floor conference room of the Capitol Area District Library. Class begins at 6:30pm and I will have material to run until 7:30pm. That leaves plenty of time for questions and answers. vi is one of those topics that makes people cringe. It's not an especially intuitive editor. It's not what you'd call user friendly. It makes rude hand gestures at new users. But it's small, it's fast and it's always there, and that's why you need to know it. It's the editor that will be there, on any system, when there are no other editors. And trust me, there will be times when there are no other editors. So come out this thursday to be introduced to the dark mysteries of vi, and move one step further along in your path to the UNIX elite. You should bring a laptop that is wireless capable. If you have questions you can call me at 517-325-3186 or 810-869-4390. Clay From clay at lazarusid.com Thu Nov 5 11:02:40 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:02:40 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] vi class tonight! Message-ID: <20091105110240.162258un6rm5jjmo@mail.lazarusid.com> Just a reminder to everybody that I'm teaching the vi class tonight. If you want to be a UNIX power user, you need to know vi. It's integrated into everything. This class will also build on some concepts that were touched on in the command line class, such as the use of background tasks and the multi-user nature of UNIX. Third Floor Conference Room Capital Area District Library 401 S. Capitol Lansing, MI If you have any questions, call me at (517) 325-3184 or (810) 869-4390. You should bring a laptop that can use the library's wireless network. We will be connecting to my home machine, which I have verified as accessible on port 443 (https traffic normally, which the library firewall passes). If you are on Windows, you will need to download an ssh client. My recommended client is PuTTy, which can be had from http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From c.e.tower at gmail.com Fri Nov 6 23:23:22 2009 From: c.e.tower at gmail.com (Chick Tower) Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:23:22 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] OpenOfficeMouse: The Multi-Button Application Mouse for OpenOffice.org Message-ID: <4AF4F63A.4010903@gmail.com> Here's all you need to master vi. http://www.openofficemouse.com/pr110609.html -- Chick From frank.dolinar at comcast.net Fri Nov 6 23:28:49 2009 From: frank.dolinar at comcast.net (frank.dolinar at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 04:28:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [GLLUG] OpenOfficeMouse: The Multi-Button Application Mouse for OpenOffice.org In-Reply-To: <1480980038.318901257567995195.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <973302540.319381257568129879.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Well, Chick, An "innovation" to be sure, with the accent on the "no". And a real hoot. At the risk of going from the ridiculous to the sublime, you might want to look at the newly released Apple Magic Mouse -- http://www.apple.com/magicmouse/ Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chick Tower" To: linux-user at egr.msu.edu Sent: Friday, November 6, 2009 11:23:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [GLLUG] OpenOfficeMouse: The Multi-Button Application Mouse for OpenOffice.org Here's all you need to master vi. http://www.openofficemouse.com/pr110609.html -- Chick _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user at egr.msu.edu http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/public/linux-user/attachments/20091107/3f5af405/attachment.html From crazytales at gmail.com Sat Nov 7 13:09:06 2009 From: crazytales at gmail.com (Chris Chan) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 13:09:06 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] OpenOfficeMouse: The Multi-Button Application Mouse for OpenOffice.org In-Reply-To: <973302540.319381257568129879.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1480980038.318901257567995195.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <973302540.319381257568129879.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4467498d0911071009w3d1fe798xad38910441bb994d@mail.gmail.com> Really interesting concept. I had a hard time deciding was it real or a hoax before I realised the concepts behind its design are sound... even the Mighty Mouse on my iMac bothers me, so I can just imagine how the Magic Mouse would be. If I had $75 to spend on a mouse, this would be on my short list. -C On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 11:28 PM, wrote: > Well, Chick, > ??? An "innovation" to be sure, with the accent on the "no".? And a real > hoot. > ??? At the risk of going from the ridiculous to the sublime, you might want > to look at the newly released Apple Magic Mouse -- > http://www.apple.com/magicmouse/ > > Frank > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chick Tower" > To: linux-user at egr.msu.edu > Sent: Friday, November 6, 2009 11:23:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [GLLUG] OpenOfficeMouse: The Multi-Button Application Mouse for > OpenOffice.org > > Here's all you need to master vi. > > http://www.openofficemouse.com/pr110609.html > -- > > ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Chick > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user at egr.msu.edu > http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > From clay at lazarusid.com Wed Nov 11 08:44:55 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:44:55 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Brewing starter kit Message-ID: <20091111084455.18595dxc15jnrglz@mail.lazarusid.com> http://www.northernbrewer.com/brewing/starter-kits/better-basic-starter-kit.html Just got an email from Northern Brewer, my preferred mail-order brewing supply store. They're offering a 10% discount on brewing equipment, for anybody looking to get into the hobby. Enter the coupon code "discountme" at checkout. Clay -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From marshal at freedombi.com Thu Nov 19 17:34:08 2009 From: marshal at freedombi.com (Marshal Newrock) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:34:08 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] hardware for sale Message-ID: <20091119173408.556bd905@osiris> If anyone is interested in any of the following, please let me know. It can easily be brought to a GLLUG meeting. 1) 2U dual opteron server - $150 or best offer * MSI K8T Master2-FAR MS-9130 * 2 Opteron 242 (1.6GHz) processors * 4GB DDR/400 ECC RAM * 3Ware 7006-2LP 2-channel PATA controller * 2 200GB hard drives 2) Full tower dual opteron server - $150 or best offer Just like #1, but in a full tower case, with a dual-output vga card. 3) Supermicro X7DVL-E Intel Xeon LGA-771 motherboard (board only) - $25 or best offer This used to be a dual cpu motherboard, but the second socket no longer works. The board has dual gigabit ethernet, and takes fully buffered ECC RAM. Supports Intel Xeon 5000/5100/5200 dual core series, and Xeon 5300/5400 quad core series. For more info: http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/xeon1333/5000V/X7DVL-E.cfm -- Marshal Newrock 517-679-0699 x223 FreedomBI, LLC - http://www.freedombi.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Clay From clay at lazarusid.com Sun Nov 22 10:22:09 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:22:09 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] GLLUG Beer Mugs In-Reply-To: <4B095375.9060000@lazarusid.com> References: <4B095375.9060000@lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <4B095721.6040002@lazarusid.com> I also added a Merchandise link to the GLLUG website, so you don't have to save these emails, just grab it from the website. Clay From mortel at cyber-nos.com Sun Nov 22 10:25:14 2009 From: mortel at cyber-nos.com (Stanley C. Mortel) Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:25:14 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Digital TV repair Message-ID: <4B0957DA.5000007@cyber-nos.com> Anyone have a recommendation for a place to take a digital big screen TV to get repaired? Thanks in advance. Stan From b.w.barker at smokejive.net Mon Nov 23 13:56:57 2009 From: b.w.barker at smokejive.net (Brent Barker) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:56:57 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] vim ESC Message-ID: <3a8ddab90911231056j5bc8a455p51d1ebfdb26c7897@mail.gmail.com> Does it bother anyone else that even though vim's paradigm is to stay on the home row, the oft-used command to return to normal/command mode is ESC? I've been learning vim over the past few weeks, and it seems terrifically inconsistent. Has anyone remapped it to make more sense? Cheers, Brent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Part of the original design spec from Bill Joy: must work on his crappy 300 baud connection. If you need more sensible editors pico, nano and emacs are top choices. Clay -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com From phawk42 at gmail.com Mon Nov 23 14:23:24 2009 From: phawk42 at gmail.com (Patrick Hawkins) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:23:24 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] vim ESC In-Reply-To: <20091123140319.118578q2kho5r62f@mail.lazarusid.com> References: <3a8ddab90911231056j5bc8a455p51d1ebfdb26c7897@mail.gmail.com> <20091123140319.118578q2kho5r62f@mail.lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <4B0AE12C.5040408@gmail.com> CTRL - [ (hold down Ctrl, push the left square bracket) also works in lieu of ESC. Clay Dowling wrote: > Quoting Brent Barker : > >> Does it bother anyone else that even though vim's paradigm is to stay >> on the >> home row, the oft-used command to return to normal/command mode is >> ESC? I've >> been learning vim over the past few weeks, and it seems terrifically >> inconsistent. Has anyone remapped it to make more sense? > > No. That has worked very well for the last 30 years, and nobody is > looking to change that anytime soon. Besides, hard to come up with > another key that won't cause trouble. > > Vi isn't built to make you comfortable. Vi is built to get the job > done and done well under really lousy conditions. Part of the > original design spec from Bill Joy: must work on his crappy 300 baud > connection. > > If you need more sensible editors pico, nano and emacs are top choices. > > Clay From nathan at 7hartleys.org Mon Nov 23 14:25:40 2009 From: nathan at 7hartleys.org (Nathan Hartley) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:25:40 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] vim ESC In-Reply-To: <3a8ddab90911231056j5bc8a455p51d1ebfdb26c7897@mail.gmail.com> References: <3a8ddab90911231056j5bc8a455p51d1ebfdb26c7897@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1f9ec30f0911231125w668a2683l9c456e6af8d4205a@mail.gmail.com> I use Control-C, though I think Control-[ is the proper alternative. On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Brent Barker wrote: > Does it bother anyone else that even though vim's paradigm is to stay on > the home row, the oft-used command to return to normal/command mode is ESC? > I've been learning vim over the past few weeks, and it seems terrifically > inconsistent. 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Random side note: I know there's at least one brand that runs Linux on their whole line of big-screen TVs. Can't remember the name, though... Charles -- http://bityard.net From charles at bityard.net Mon Nov 23 16:22:09 2009 From: charles at bityard.net (Charles Ulrich) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:22:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] vim ESC In-Reply-To: <20091123140319.118578q2kho5r62f@mail.lazarusid.com> References: <3a8ddab90911231056j5bc8a455p51d1ebfdb26c7897@mail.gmail.com> <20091123140319.118578q2kho5r62f@mail.lazarusid.com> Message-ID: <52572.72.52.190.38.1259011329.squirrel@host.bityard.net> On Mon, November 23, 2009 2:03 pm, Clay Dowling wrote: > Vi isn't built to make you comfortable. Vi is built to get the job > done and done well under really lousy conditions. Part of the > original design spec from Bill Joy: must work on his crappy 300 baud > connection. > > If you need more sensible editors pico, nano and emacs are top choices. I think Brent's main point was that vi seems to be very well engineered for editing speed as much as editing power. And it does a fantastic job of that except for the lonely and distant Esc key on today's keyboards. I would guess that back in the day, the Esc key wasn't always positioned so far away from everyone else on the keyboard. On those terminals, exiting insert mode probably didn't require your hand to leave the home row. Now, it always does because the IBM PC keyboard layout has come to be the de facto on pretty much every keyboard. I've toyed with the idea of somehow remapping ` to Esc since I never use a backtick for anything. Haven't quite had the motivation to follow through, though. Charles -- http://bityard.net From clay at lazarusid.com Mon Nov 23 16:42:38 2009 From: clay at lazarusid.com (Clay Dowling) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:42:38 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Job Opening Message-ID: <20091123164238.71575ozbq57ax8zy@mail.lazarusid.com> This afternoon I accepted a new position. While that's great for me, the relevance for you is that there's now a job opening in Saint Johns, Michigan. They will be looking for an experienced programmer, ideally with Delphi experience (although they taught me Delphi). Experience with EDI and web services would be absolutely delightful, and a little Java or PHP wouldn't be amiss. If you are interested you should mail Lee Auge , the manager for the programming department. -Don't- email me. I'm leaving the company and I'm certainly not the right person to talk to. Clay -- Online RPG Campaign Planning http://www.rpg-campaign.com