as far as #2 that is incorrect. I don't run kde. I run fluxbox. it may require some libraries but not all of kde. nor does it require you to use kde as your window manager. And as far as #1 where is open offices visio replacement? it may have some features... but none that I have needed or even noticed. but to each their own. I'm not saying it's actually better, I just think it is. and I think some people don't give it enough credit. but this is like comparing gnome and kde. each are respectable. and each have people that say the other are better. I think too many people aren't even looking at koffice though or giving it a chance. although it really isn't a viable option for non *nix users. <div>On 8/1/06, Charles Ulrich <<a href="mailto:charles@idealso.com">charles@idealso.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Caleb Cushing wrote: > I could help you with the openoffice / koffice topic. base sucks as bad > as access I think ;-). Far worse, actually. Access is evil but mostly capable within its design limits. Base is just a collosal blunder. I know the OO team had to start somewhere with their database component, but they should have at least waited until they had something halfway usable. > and koffice is much better than open office in my > opinion (except for a few bugs). unless someone can give me a reason why > it isn't. Well, I'm not going to try to start an argument about which one is better than the other. I've used both and I do like them both, but KOffice has two significant strikes against it: 1) OpenOffice has lots of additional features that cater to those coming from MS Office. This doesn't matter much to me or probably many others on this list, but it matters to most people. 2) KOffice only runs under KDE. Number 1 might change over time, or it might not. Number 2 *should* change once the bulk of KDE is running fine on Qt4, which is GPL. In particular, the KDE frameworks and applications can be legally distributed for use on closed source operating systems like Windows. We should see KOffice, Konqueror, and their friends running happily (and natively) on Windows and OS X within a couple years. I may have read somewhere that the KDE 4 release would have an official Windows build. (Just don't quote me on any of this as I'm going from memory and my memory isn't known to be completely accurate...) -- Charles Ulrich Ideal Solution, LLC -- <a href="http://www.idealso.com">http://www.idealso.com </a> </blockquote></div>