<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Clay, Sounds like you might have a panel for next year. Beer making or tasting anyway. <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Jeff Lawton Ideal Solution, LLC 517-485-2650 ext 220 <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jeff@idealso.com">jeff@idealso.com</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.idealso.com">http://www.idealso.com</a> </pre> Jim Fick wrote: <blockquote cite="midB972668B29AF574D81F757F9058D1DF29C5FDD@MPHI65VS.local.mphi.org" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">I'd be interested in the homebrew list as well. Have not homebrewed before, but willing to learn. </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">-----Original Message----- From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:linux-user-bounces@egr.msu.edu">linux-user-bounces@egr.msu.edu</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:linux-user">mailto:linux-user</a>- <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bounces@egr.msu.edu">bounces@egr.msu.edu</a>] On Behalf Of Ian M Walker Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 1:37 AM To: Adam McDougall Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:linux-user@egr.msu.edu">linux-user@egr.msu.edu</a> Subject: Re: MSUMAIL: Re: [GLLUG] Eureka! 1) I've played with qbrew a long time ago, and it might be time to </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">give it </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">another try. I remember it not working that great, but it seems </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">reasonably </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">robust now. 2) If you start a homebrew mailing list, I know of some people who </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">would </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">join. Myself, probably my boss, my buddy who I brew with - he's a biochemest, so it wouldn't hurt to have him for people to throw yeast questions at :) 3) We use Pacman on our last stout. It turned out good, but it churned </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">out </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">so much alcohol that it killed itself, so we didn't have any yeast </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">left </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">for bottle conditioning! The only complaint I have about it is that the </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">beer </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">wasn't carbonated at all. :) Ian! <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:walkeri1@msu.edu">walkeri1@msu.edu</a> Adam McDougall writes: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 07:54:15PM -0400, Ian M Walker wrote: I had hit reply earlier, not reply to list. But what I had said </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">was </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">that </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> there IS open-source beer: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.freebeer.org/">http://www.freebeer.org/</a> Its a Creative Commons lisense on the recipe. And its caffinated! </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">Guarana is </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> one of the ingredients. I have yet to brew it myself, but... And yeah, a lot of brewers are very generous with their recipes. </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">One </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">of my </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> favorite beers (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.shmaltz.com/lennys.html">http://www.shmaltz.com/lennys.html</a>) flat-out </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">lists </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">their </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> recipe on their website. Its for their full batch, but if you do </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">the </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">math, </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> you can scale it down (but some of the hops are hard to find - I </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">have </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">a </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> batch in the basement right now that's based on it). But yeah, you can find a lot of recipes that are close, if not </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">pretty </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> precise, but even if you find the one that's used, equipment and </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">water </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> effect the beer, not to mention the fact that most of us don't </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">have a </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">setup </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> quite large enough for brewery-size batches; a sparge volume of </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">1389 </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">gal, </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> and a dry hop of 66lbs... not exactly small. Speaking of open-source and beer, it kind of bums me out that I </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">can't </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">find a </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> decent beer recipe manager that's open source. I have Beer </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">Alchemy </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.kentplacesoftware.com/products/BeerAlchemy.html">http://www.kentplacesoftware.com/products/BeerAlchemy.html</a>) for </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">my </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Mac, and </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> there's BeerSmith (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.beersmith.com/">http://www.beersmith.com/</a>), but... At least </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">BeerSmith </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> runs well (enough) in Wine, but you still need to buy a liscense. Ian! <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:walkeri1@msu.edu">walkeri1@msu.edu</a> I'm glad this was brought up. I've tried qbrew and it seems decent. Try it out. <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.usermode.org/code.html">http://www.usermode.org/code.html</a> Also seeing as how people that brew are suddenly exposing </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">themselves, </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">I decided I should make a mailing list for the topic so interested </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">persons </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">can join and collaborate. I brew myself and have a few friends that </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">do, </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">and I have 4 packages of rogue pacman yeast in the fridge waiting </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">for an </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">opportune moment. I know of 2 MSU faculty that brew in some form as </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">well. </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">I will probably setup <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:homebrew@twistoffornot.com">homebrew@twistoffornot.com</a> with mailman. My friends and I also have a wiki setup at </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.attemptedzymurgy.com/">http://www.attemptedzymurgy.com/</a>. </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">I'm partway through documenting my brewing process and equipment, </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">haven't </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">worked on it in a while but the beer(s) of interest section is up to </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">date. </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">We do a number of beer kits from things beer plus some recipes from </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">elsewhere. </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> Clay Dowling writes: > It's the rare beer that isn't open source. Brewers tend to be </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">pretty </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> > generous about sharing information. If Fred Seers of </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">Frankenmuth </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Brewery </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> > shared his Frankenmuth Dark recipe (which he did, I have it), I </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">think it's </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> > safe to assume most will. Copying his process and making an </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">identical beer </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> > would be next to impossible. His former assistant is head </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">brewer </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">there now </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> > and the beer is different. Still good, but definitely a </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">different </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">beer. </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> > Clay Adam McDougall wrote: >> Only if your beer is Open Source! ps. I would drink the Goat </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">Scrotum (go </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> >> ahead and try to take THAT out of context) On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">at </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> >> 02:20:16PM -0400, Lachniet, Mark wrote: If you guys wanna get </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">REALLY nutz, </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> >> I'll brew up a few 5gal kegs of GLLUG beer >> in my basement.. Even the acronym is reminiscent of swilling </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">down </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">beer. </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> >> (Gllug >> gllug gllug, burph, ahhh) Lemme see, Penguin Porter? </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">Linux </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> >> Lager? I make a mean "Goat Scrotum Ale" >> but somehow I don't think that will sell well. :) >> Mark Lachniet >> Technical Director, Security Group >> Analysts International >> (517) 336-1004 (voice) >> (517) 336-1160 (fax) >> mailto: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mlachniet@analysts.com">mlachniet@analysts.com</a> >> >> </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">------------------------------------------------------------------- </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">------ </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> >> ------ >> From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:linux-user-bounces@egr.msu.edu">linux-user-bounces@egr.msu.edu</a> on behalf of Clay </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">Dowling </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> >> Sent: Wed 4/25/2007 2:22 PM >> To: Chick Tower >> Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:linux-user@egr.msu.edu">linux-user@egr.msu.edu</a> >> Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Eureka! >> Chick is a genius! >> I'll volunteer to do the same for the beer, while providing </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">tech </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> >> support. >> Clay >> Chick Tower wrote: >> > I have the solution to a couple of problems, and it's simple. </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">We </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">serve </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> >> > Woodchuck Draft Cider on-tap (not bottles!) during the whole </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">of </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> >> Penguicon. >> > >> > A) People not old enough to drink are banned by state law. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">("Sorry, </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> >> > it's not OUR decision that you can't come in, it's the </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">state's.") </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> >> > >> > B) I'll be in the computer lounge twenty-four hours a day, so </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">the </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">need </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> >> > for staffing is cut in half. >> > >> > However, let that tap run dry and there'll be hell to pay. >> > >> Chick >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > linux-user mailing list >> > <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:linux-user@egr.msu.edu">linux-user@egr.msu.edu</a> >> > <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user">http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user</a> >> > >> -- >> Simple Content Management >> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ceamus.com">http://www.ceamus.com</a> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:linux-user@egr.msu.edu">linux-user@egr.msu.edu</a> >> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user">http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user</a> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:linux-user@egr.msu.edu">linux-user@egr.msu.edu</a> >> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user">http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user</a> > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:linux-user@egr.msu.edu">linux-user@egr.msu.edu</a> > <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user">http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user</a> _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:linux-user@egr.msu.edu">linux-user@egr.msu.edu</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user">http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user</a> </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">_______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:linux-user@egr.msu.edu">linux-user@egr.msu.edu</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user">http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user</a> </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:linux-user@egr.msu.edu">linux-user@egr.msu.edu</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user">http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user</a> </pre> </blockquote> </body> </html>