To all, Regardless of my previous bad experience with the upgrade I am still impressed.  Within a couple of days workarounds were posted on the forums for every issue I had. (too much labor for anyone with more needs than a basic install)  At the time, VMWare was the deal breaker because I still have to access webmail through a M.S. environment with a CAC card reader for DOD, and this is still a production machine.....Virtual box is also a great alternative, still playing around with that option.  XEN, IMHO, just isn't there with Ubuntu because with the prebuilt kernel too many things are broke and not enough time to hack it. For the average desktop user, this distro is killer, provided the end user can adopt a completely new desktop (Gnome).  Still hacking around with the KDE environment. Thanks Charles! Les <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Charles Ulrich <<a href="mailto:charles@bityard.net">charles@bityard.net</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> I've updated 3 of my systems to Hardy and overall, I don't see a huge difference between Gutsy and Hardy. I guess most of the changes are evolutionary. I was excited about the inclusion of KVM in Hardy. I imagined that we'd now be able to tell newcomers to Linux that they can easily install and use Windows right inside Linux for those few pesky applications that they _have_ to run. This would be a huge selling point for Ubuntu and the Linux community in general. While there are more virtualization options for Linux than ever, only KVM is really going to be suitable for average users. Unfortunately, getting an OS installed inside KVM is not yet anywhere near a point-and-click affair because Ubuntu doesn't appear to have any GUI tools for it in development. (Red Hat does, but they're still "not quite there" and don't look to be newbie-friendly.) That aside, the thing I like most about Hardy is the fact that my Thinkpad backlight now works properly. :) Also, for those who think Realplayer is actually a pretty decent and simple MP3 player even if it is proprietary, don't bother with the manual installation stuff. You can simply download the .deb directly and install it with dpkg: <a href="http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/r/realplay/realplayer_10.0.9-0.1_i386.deb" target="_blank">http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/r/realplay/realplayer_10.0.9-0.1_i386.deb</a> Charles On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 12:41 AM, Michael Rudas <<a href="mailto:audiotech50@gmail.com">audiotech50@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > For a variety of reasons, I decided to do a clean install from DVD >  instead of upgrading from Kubuntu GG to HH.  There were minor problems >  with my 7.10 install AND it's always been my motto, "Why borrow >  trouble?" -- in my experience, OS upgrades can be the kinkiest types >  of borrowed trouble.  I have a pretty good idea of how I want my >  environment to look and feel, so apt-get and a few check-marks in >  Adept got things rolling pretty good. > >  Things mostly went smoothly.  I was able to import my backed-up >  Mozilla/SeaMonkey mail and most of the settings and miscellaneous >  files from my old "home" directory.  I had to install Flash manually, >  as I couldn't do it from within Firefox for some reason -- no big >  deal.  I was able to install the nVidia "legacy" drivers for the TNT2 >  video card in this borrowed machine (one of the unresolved issues from >  the GG install).  Then I found this on <a href="http://www.LXer.com" target="_blank">http://www.LXer.com</a>: >  "Things to do on your new Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heron Installation" >  <<a href="http://linuxondesktop.blogspot.com/2008/04/things-to-do-on-your-new-ubuntu-804.html" target="_blank">http://linuxondesktop.blogspot.com/2008/04/things-to-do-on-your-new-ubuntu-804.html</a>> > >  I copied-and-pasted the listed command lines one-by-one into the >  console -- man, what a difference.  This Linux install is now the best >  ever for me in over 6 years of Linux usage. > >  ~~ Mikey >  _______________________________________________ >  linux-user mailing list >  <a href="mailto:linux-user@egr.msu.edu">linux-user@egr.msu.edu</a> >  <a href="http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user" target="_blank">http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user</a> > _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list <a href="mailto:linux-user@egr.msu.edu">linux-user@egr.msu.edu</a> <a href="http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user" target="_blank">http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user</a> </blockquote></div> -- Running Linux? Are you completely out of your mind. That thing is a rip-off. It comes with no viruses, no Trojans, no malware , etc .......