<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold; "> Eduardo Cesconetto - <a href="mailto:eduardo@cesconetto.com">eduardo@cesconetto.com</a> - <a href="http://www.cesconetto.com">www.cesconetto.com</a></span></div></div></span> </div><br><div><div>On May 19, 2009, at 10:12 PM, Mark Thuemmel wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Greetings Eduardo,<br><br>First, thanks for the talk I think you did at a LUG meeting I attended a<br>year or two ago....if you are the same guy, you did a good presentation.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Don't remember you, sorry...</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>Next, I think you are the original Brazilian Beef guy, again thanks for<br>the efforts!</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>NP, I just try to do the Open Source thing, sharing my culture with everybody w/o giving a damn for recognition or any kind of return. Humanity deserves better cooked beef. :P </div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br><br>Your response here does not seem to be what I'd expect from your past<br>contributions....Please, let's focus on how we can provide an awesome<br>Linux experience at the next Penguicon, and offer how to make it happen.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You can expect whatever you want, I am going to speak my mind anyway, believe me, most of us think the same, some even sent me private emails agreeing with my position, but I guess I have this bad habit of telling how it is...</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>Don't let the few people that don't respect you get you down....I've<br>enjoyed you and GLLUG's endless contributions so far....seriously GLLUG<br>stepped up in many ways over the years at Penguicon.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I do not know what u talking about, I could give less of a shit about somebody not respecting me because I don't agree with the way things are going. And because GLLUG stepped up, it deservers recognition and MORE AUTONOMY, not the teenager screw-up son treatment it's getting from the ConCom.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>My 2 cents....ignore me if you like. I'll be at next year's Penguicon<br>even if you and GLLUG just bitch.</div></blockquote><div><br></div>Consider yourself ignored, and have fun next year, I'll certainly not going to be there. I'm done with WhateverCon...<br><br></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>So let someone set up a Windows box in the Lounge for the poor lost soul<br>attending Penguicon that does not know the first thing about Linux.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Sure, go ahead and put a Windows licensed machine available for public usage, let's see how many copyright/license infringements you idiots can achieve. I had to deal with Windows licensing before, and it's fun! Go for it!</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><blockquote type="cite">Seriously, GLLUG should just drop this shit. For the last few years we<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">have been busting our asses for Penguicon, and we always get criticism<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">back, let the take care of it, the whole event is turning in another<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">direction anyway. The good old times are over, it's not about Open<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Source anymore, GLLUG resources should be focused on local<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">education(some of you remember the idea of going to schools doing<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">panels) and other OS projects. <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I got sick loading equipment in the rain along with a few more brave<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">volunteers for Penguicon, and in return we get nagging back.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">With this note, I am going to be filtering out all email from this list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">with Penguicon in the topic, this turned into a pile of crap in my<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">humble opinion..<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> Eduardo Cesconetto - <a href="mailto:eduardo@cesconetto.com">eduardo@cesconetto.com</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><<a href="mailto:eduardo@cesconetto.com">mailto:eduardo@cesconetto.com</a>> - <a href="http://www.cesconetto.com">www.cesconetto.com</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><<a href="http://www.cesconetto.com">http://www.cesconetto.com</a>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On May 19, 2009, at 1:39 PM, David Singer wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Other OS's could be fun but who is going to pony up the money? By then<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Snow Leopard and Windows 7 will be out which means the cheapest Mac<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">hardware is likely to run around $500/machine (very used) and probably<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">$250 for the most basic windows machine.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">David<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Ron Blanchett <<a href="mailto:muteid10t@gmail.com">muteid10t@gmail.com</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><<a href="mailto:muteid10t@gmail.com">mailto:muteid10t@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">The computer lounge has always been Penguicon's Show, GLLUG was just<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">allowed<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">to do with it as they pleased.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">This year that is changing and Randy (ConChair 2010) is the man to<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">talk to<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">on how he is changing that.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Speculation will get you no where, Direct, Clear, Concise questions<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">will get<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">you answer.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">This list is not the place for those questions either because I can<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">guarantee you that Randy will not get them if you ask him to answer them<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">here.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">-Ron<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On 5/19/09, Clay Dowling <<a href="mailto:clay@lazarusid.com">clay@lazarusid.com</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><<a href="mailto:clay@lazarusid.com">mailto:clay@lazarusid.com</a>>> wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Tue, 19 May 2009, Stanley C. Mortel wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Ron is exactly right. I encourage everyone to readjust their way of<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">thinking<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">about the computer lounge at the Con. It is, first, foremost, and in<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">its<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">entirety, one of the many facets of Penguicon and under the control of<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Con Chair. This year it looks like Marshal will be volunteering to<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">head<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">up<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the lounge, as a Con volunteer. We can all volunteer to help Marshal,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">as<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I think that's the bit that hasn't been clear. Previously the<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">lounge was<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">pretty much GLLUG's show, and this year it looks like it will be brought<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">in as an actual Penguicon event. Which does, indeed, make it the Con<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Chair's show.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">And hey, if folks have good ideas for making the lounge better,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">that's all<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">to the good. If the ideas can come at us early we, or whoever else<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">volunteers for it, can get started on making it happen.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Clay<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">linux-user mailing list<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">linux-user@egr.msu.edu <<a href="mailto:linux-user@egr.msu.edu">mailto:linux-user@egr.msu.edu</a>><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user">http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">--<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">-Ron<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">linux-user mailing list<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">linux-user@egr.msu.edu <<a href="mailto:linux-user@egr.msu.edu">mailto:linux-user@egr.msu.edu</a>><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user">http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">linux-user mailing list<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">linux-user@egr.msu.edu <<a href="mailto:linux-user@egr.msu.edu">mailto:linux-user@egr.msu.edu</a>><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user">http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">------------------------------------------------------------------------<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">linux-user mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:linux-user@egr.msu.edu">linux-user@egr.msu.edu</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user">http://mailman.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user</a><br></blockquote><br></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>