I'd get upset about this not really having anything to do with using Linux (Darwin being based on BSD aside), but the original poster asked for it, I think. Heh.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:10 PM, Eduardo Cesconetto <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eduardo@cesconetto.com" target="_blank">eduardo@cesconetto.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">1- Batteries on the compares are replaceable for around $100 bucks by a certified tech with free service, try to get an IBM battery(original) for that price… Good luck with that… And one more thing: they last over 1000 cycles, not the 200 that a good IBM battery will...<div>
<br></div><div>2- I can take the white iMac apart in 15 minutes(the whole thing), if you can't or can't afford the extra tools, it six to be you…</div><div><br></div><div>3- I have a 12 year old PowerMac G4 sitting on a basement running as a web server with over 1100 accounts.. how is that not a long life computer?</div>
<div><br></div><div>4- My oldest daughter's computer is a 5 year old iMac(the white one…) and run EVERYTHING a new Mac can, so it seems you guys are very misinformed…</div><div><br></div><div>5- Life cycle of Apple laptops is waaaaayyyyyy longer then any PC laptop BECAUSE they are built better… </div>
<div><br></div><div>6- Apple computers will outlast any PC in the "hand me down" category..</div><div><br></div><div>7- Been smoking that crack pipe since 1979, still happy :D</div><div><br></div><div>8- My customers want to be productive, and they are soooo glad they smoke from the same pipe… They can actually spend time making $$$ instead of troubleshooting a shitty OS or geeing out.</div>
<div><br></div><div>9 - Good day! I said GOOD DAY!!! (as Fes from That 70's Show)</div><div><br></div><div><img alt="Profile Picture" src="cid:C98F84A1-F73F-48DB-864F-92486BD331CE@hsd1.tx.comcast.net." height="160" width="160"></div>
<div><br></div><div>Miss you guys! </div><div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 13, 2012, at 9:25 PM, Marr wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Wednesday 13 June 2012 20:34:08 Taylor Burke wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Apple is slowly turning the world of computing into a crapshoot. Their new<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Macbook features a fused display [...]<br></blockquote><br>Normally, I would not comment on this, given my limited experience with Apple <br>
hardware. But, by complete coincidence, just today I happened to be trying to <br>get at the hard disk drive in an iMac (one of the polycarbonate-encased ones <br>with a 20" LCD and a little webcam built in). It turns out to be a friggin' <br>
nightmare and I soon decided that it wasn't worth the effort.<br><br>For starters, there are 6 screws on the bottom of the monitor (which is where <br>the HDD is ensconsed -- deeply, as it turns out) that have to be removed. No <br>
problem, but slightly odd that 2 are Phillips and 4 require a #9 Torx. (Yes, I <br>know why they do that, but it's still annoying.) Then, of the 4 Torx screws, 1 <br>is slightly longer than the other 3 so make sure you're paying close attention <br>
as you remove them because, unlike my 12-year-old Toshiba Satellite laptop <br>which I recently disassembled, the position for the longer screw is not marked <br>near the hole in any fashion. And the longer screw seats easily in 2 of the 4 <br>
holes, so just hope that it's not shorting anything out if you happen to pick <br>the wrong 1 of the 2!<br><br>The next obstacle to the HDD access comes with the plastic surrounding the <br>LCD, which cannot be easily removed because there are 2 hard-to-access <br>
interior clips inside at the top (which I only learned about after trying to <br>remove the plastic, encountering resistance, and watching a 7-minute YouTube <br>video that only covered removal of the outer plastic, not even getting <br>
anywhere close to the HDD access/removal!). Releasing those clips requires <br>what us mechanically inclined types would call an SST (Special Shop Tool). <br>It's $30 at Apple, but discontinued. YouTube has a video about how to make one <br>
from an old credit card, so get out a pot of boiling water, some tongs, and 3 <br>old CD jewel cases. (Don't forget the old credit card! I actually have a <br>couple of those for cracking the cases of things like remote controls and <br>
briefly considered making this SST.)<br><br>However, at that point, before wasting too much (more) time on this endeavor, <br>I figured I should dig a little deeper and found this website showing the <br>involved process just to get access to the HDD:<br>
<br> <a href="http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Repair/iMac-Intel-20-Inch-EMC-2105-and-2118-" target="_blank">http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Repair/iMac-Intel-20-Inch-EMC-2105-and-2118-</a><br>Hard-Drive-Replacement/1092/1<br><br>
That's an excellent guide, but still... "No, thank you", Apple. Anyone <br>contemplating an Apple purchase and ever wanting to repair or upgrade should <br>take a good look at all 23 steps involved in that guide. I sure hope that's <br>
atypical for Apple, but I think I know better, based on what I've heard over <br>the years and continue to hear, right up to today's thread-starter.<br><br>On Wednesday 13 June 2012 20:44:24 Eduardo Cesconetto wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">We call it innovation for those who want innovation<br></blockquote><br>That's what Microsoft called it too. It doesn't make what they do innovative. <br>Or useful. Seeing that nightmare just to get a peek at the HDD made me swear <br>
off ever buying any Apple product. I'm glad that this iMac is a loaner and that <br>it never cost me a dime because I'd be rather annoyed (correction, "more <br>annoyed") right now.<br><br>On Wednesday 13 June 2012 21:22:31 Eduardo Cesconetto wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Upgrading RAM to the same motherboard is a waste of time and effort for<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">most people, maybe not for us geeks, dweebs, nerds, etc… Do you believe a<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">lawyer, dentist, doctor, engineer o any other professional would spend<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">time even thinking of gaining 3.765% speed by replacing RAM?<br></blockquote><br>Funny you mention RAM. That's the _ONLY_ thing on this iMac that's easy to <br>
upgrade! Not counting the mouse or the keyboard, of course. :^) There are 2 <br>Phillips screws and a couple of pop-out levers to leverage out the RAM. If so <br>few people upgrade the RAM, then why is that the thing that they make so easy <br>
to upgrade? Yeah, I know you're talking laptop and I'm talking desktop, but I <br>think the point is still applicable.<br><br>On Wednesday 13 June 2012 21:22:31 Eduardo Cesconetto wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">
Think about Taylor, if you are not building your PC and you decide to buy a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">brand name one, it'll have a warranty seal on it, so technically, you<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
can't upgrade that unless you WANT to void your warranty…<br></blockquote><br>Huh?!? The last 2 laptops I bought (both Toshiba, but I have no affiliation with <br>them) had easily accessible doors to upgrade the RAM with no warranty-voiding <br>
whatsoever. Just how long have you been smoking the Apple crack-pipe, <br>Eduardo?<br><br>Still, I'm glad that Apple is out there for some competition. And, of course, <br>people are free to buy what they like. Some people never even think about <br>
touching the "innards" -- more power to them if that is what they want/like <br>and can live with and/or are willing to pay Apple to repair/upgrade. But I'm a <br>DIY guy deep in the core and just cannot fathom such unmaintainable and <br>
(effectively) non-upgrade-able hardware. Reasonably easy RAM and HDD access is <br>_required_ on even a laptop PC and especially on a desktop PC. And yes, I'm <br>old enough to remember when even Apples were called PCs and I still consider <br>
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