bundling thoughts

Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:59:14 -0400

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The real kicker for businesses is that Microsoft is telling businesses =
if we
don't give them 30% of what our total licenses would cost if bought =
brand
new (30% for the next 3 years, mind you), then after Oct 1st, if we =
want to
upgrade, it will cost us as if we never had any licenses.  Pay us now =
to
"protect your investment."

No, of course they're not a monopoly.  They're a family...the name =
"Capone"
comes to mind.  Microsoft:  Pay for "protection."

Anybody running Domino on Linux?

Randy Keyes
Network Services, JNL
517-367-3976
randall.keyes@jnli.com <mailto:randall.keyes@jnli.com>=20
=A0

-----Original Message-----
From: Marcel Kunath [mailto:kunathma@pilot.msu.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 9:48 AM
To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu
Subject: bundling thoughts

Hello,

I was just reading this:

http://www.thestreet.com/tech/software/1517338.html

and I am having thoughts.

First of all I agree that Microsoft is violating laws by bundling its
software
products with its operating system. It builds an anti-competitive =
advantage
for
them. The only way this should be allowed is if competitors are as well
allowed
to deliver their products pre-installed or even pre-delivered (on the =
MS
install CD).

Overall I think this is not manageable and MS should not be allowed to
bundle
anything but just sell their cut down OS and deliver any additional =
software
on
extra CD to be installed by the user.

Here is why. Now Kodak is powerful and has the ability to force =
Microsoft to
the above concession. And now AOL and Real want in on the deal. Then it =
is
Norton and then McAfee and then god knows whatever company. And who do =
you
see
left out? FSF.

I don't know if this becomes general practice I would hope the FSF =
files a
lawsuit and demands free software developers are as well given a piece =
of
the
pie and be allowed to put their programs on a users desktop. I could =
think
of
programs like NTEmacs and isn't there a vi for Windows? And this would =
prove
how stupid the bundling argument really is.

Case in point.....non-OS software may be bundled but only by delivery =
on CD.
I
figure all free software developers could organize and put together a =
CD
which
the user then uses to install free software and this CD is bundled with
every
PC sold which comes with Windows.

I am curious to see what would happen if Jabber or so would ask for its =
IM
client to be bundled with XP. I am sure Microsoft would get a laugh out =
of
it.

Hmmmm this makes me wonder if I should write this whole idea up and =
post it
on
linuxtoday.com and raise some awareness to the ludicriousness of this =
whole
ordeal and see if maybe free software can get in on the deal....

I know people hate my crazy ideas but heck you live only once. What do =
you
think?

 -- Marcel
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The real kicker for businesses is that Microsoft is =
telling businesses if we don't give them 30% of what our total licenses =
would cost if bought brand new (30% for the next 3 years, mind you), =
then after Oct 1st, if we want to upgrade, it will cost us as if we =
never had any licenses.&nbsp; Pay us now to &quot;protect your =
investment.&quot;</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>No, of course they're not a monopoly.&nbsp; They're a =
family...the name &quot;Capone&quot; comes to mind.&nbsp; =
Microsoft:&nbsp; Pay for &quot;protection.&quot;</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Anybody running Domino on Linux?</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Randy Keyes</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Network Services, JNL</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>517-367-3976</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>randall.keyes@jnli.com &lt;<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:randall.keyes@jnli.com">mailto:randall.keyes@jnli.com</A>=
&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=A0</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Marcel Kunath [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:kunathma@pilot.msu.edu">mailto:kunathma@pilot.msu.edu</A>=
]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 9:48 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: bundling thoughts</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hello,</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I was just reading this:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2><A =
HREF=3D"http://www.thestreet.com/tech/software/1517338.html" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.thestreet.com/tech/software/1517338.html</A=
></FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>and I am having thoughts.</FONT>
</P>

First of all I agree that Microsoft is violating laws =
by bundling its software
 products with its operating system. It builds an =
anti-competitive advantage for
 them. The only way this should be allowed is if =
competitors are as well allowed
 to deliver their products pre-installed or even =
pre-delivered (on the MS
 install CD).

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Overall I think this is not manageable and MS should =
not be allowed to bundle</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>anything but just sell their cut down OS and deliver =
any additional software on</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>extra CD to be installed by the user.</FONT>
</P>

Here is why. Now Kodak is powerful and has the =
ability to force Microsoft to
 the above concession. And now AOL and Real want in =
on the deal. Then it is
 Norton and then McAfee and then god knows whatever =
company. And who do you see
 left out? FSF.

I don't know if this becomes general practice I would =
hope the FSF files a
 lawsuit and demands free software developers are as =
well given a piece of the
 pie and be allowed to put their programs on a users =
desktop. I could think of
 programs like NTEmacs and isn't there a vi for =
Windows? And this would prove
 how stupid the bundling argument really is.

Case in point.....non-OS software may be bundled but =
only by delivery on CD. I
 figure all free software developers could organize =
and put together a CD which
 the user then uses to install free software and this =
CD is bundled with every
 PC sold which comes with Windows.

I am curious to see what would happen if Jabber or so =
would ask for its IM
 client to be bundled with XP. I am sure Microsoft =
would get a laugh out of it.

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hmmmm this makes me wonder if I should write this =
whole idea up and post it on</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>linuxtoday.com and raise some awareness to the =
ludicriousness of this whole</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>ordeal and see if maybe free software can get in on =
the deal....</FONT>
</P>

I know people hate my crazy ideas but heck you live =
only once. What do you
 think?

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;-- Marcel</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>_______________________________________________</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>linux-user@egr.msu.edu</FONT>
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HREF=3D"http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user" =
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