Lansing Chamber Of Commerce Open source presentation (fwd)
Mark Szidik
szidikm@mlc.lib.mi.us
Mon, 30 Jul 2001 09:58:28 -0400 (EDT)
Anybody in the LUG interested in talking at the Lansing Chamber
of Commerce Tech Connect evening about Open Source, GNU/Linux?
Its September 18th and you would probably be ased to speak for a
half hour. There will be other speakers as well.
If interested, contact me directly.
Thanks,
______________________________________________________________________
Mark Szidik
System Administrator Ph: 517.694.4242 x17 Fax: 517.694.9303
Michigan Library Consortium http://www.mlc.lib.mi.us
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 17:27:27 -0400
From: Tim Owen <timowen@voyager.net>
To: "Lachniet, Mark" <mlachniet@sequoianet.com>,
John Gilkey <John@artemis-solutions.com>,
Mark Szidik <szidikm@mlc.lib.mi.us>
Cc: Allyson Knox <aknox@lansingchamber.org>
Subject: Re: Lansing Chamber Of Commerce Open source presentation (fwd)
No word from the IBM contact or Eric Raymond. Looks like we may need to go
with Plan C - us. Let's decide next week.
Regards.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lachniet, Mark" <mlachniet@sequoianet.com>
To: "Tim Owen" <timowen@voyager.net>; "John Gilkey"
<John@artemis-solutions.com>; "Mark Szidik" <szidikm@mlc.lib.mi.us>
Cc: "Allyson Knox" <aknox@lansingchamber.org>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 2:52 PM
Subject: RE: Lansing Chamber Of Commerce Open source presentation (fwd)
> Any luck with the IBM guy?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Owen [mailto:timowen@voyager.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 10:44 AM
> To: Lachniet, Mark; John Gilkey; Mark Szidik
> Cc: Allyson Knox
> Subject: Re: Lansing Chamber Of Commerce Open source presentation (fwd)
>
>
> Thanks for the feedback Mark. I think we can bring a few workstations.
> My
> laptop is ready to go too. Have VMWare running NT inside of Linux also.
> Survey info makes sense. Security and support are good things to work
> on.
> Support is often done via email lists, usegroups, or a firm that
> specializes
> like Red Hat, SuSE, Great Bridge, Sendmail, etc.
>
> I need to follow-up with the IBM contact that Allyson sent me and then
> we
> can make some decisions on agenda and speakers. Will do that this week.
>
> Regards.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lachniet, Mark" <mlachniet@sequoianet.com>
> To: "Tim Owen" <timowen@voyager.net>; "John Gilkey"
> <John@artemis-solutions.com>; "Mark Szidik" <szidikm@mlc.lib.mi.us>
> Cc: "Allyson Knox" <aknox@lansingchamber.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 8:55 AM
> Subject: RE: Lansing Chamber Of Commerce Open source presentation (fwd)
>
>
> > Yeah, I can definitely see the value of having a few desktops there
> for
> > people to play with. Maybe you guys have some tweaked desktops to
> wow
> > them with? My own machines are somewhat unmovable (And my laptop
> needs
> > a reformat :<)
> >
> > I like the idea of "objection handling" as a kind of theme - because
> > isn't that really what it comes down to? Dealing with [F]ear,
> > [U]ncertainty and [D]oubt? Especially now that Mundie and the
> Microsoft
> > crew have made it their mission in life to smack down open source.
> >
> > Another resource to think about -= talk about the NetCraft(?) surveys
> of
> > usage - how many people use apache? what % of OS sales are Linux (now
> > surpassing Novell, etc.)
> >
> > I can certainly speak to the security aspect of it. There is always
> the
> > interesting argument of security through obscurity vs. "many eyes make
> > for shallow problems" And some STRONG reminders on the need to keep
> up
> > with patches, etc.
> >
> > For the "case studies" perhaps there is something at MLC worth talking
> > about? I could certainly talk about what we did at Holt Schools, but
> > it'd be much cooler to hear about something new and interesting.
> >
> > What would be a good way to approach the "support" angle? Do we know
> > anyone who sells Linux support? Sequoia does, but not much. It'd be
> > nice to find someone who's core business is this. Also, how do you
> feel
> > about mentioning the certification systems? Certs are something that
> > people can deal with, and provide a benchmark of performance for
> support
> > personnel?
> >
> > Just thinkin'
> >
> > Mark Lachniet, MCNE, MCSE, CCSE, LPIC-1
> > Sr. Network Engineer
> > Analysts International - Sequoia Services Group
> > 3101 Technology Blvd. Suite A
> > Lansing, MI 48910
> > (517) 336-1004 voice
> > (517) 336-1100 fax
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tim Owen [mailto:timowen@voyager.net]
> > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 11:43 AM
> > To: John Gilkey; Lachniet, Mark; 'Mark Szidik'
> > Cc: 'Allyson Knox'
> > Subject: Re: Lansing Chamber Of Commerce Open source presentation
> (fwd)
> >
> >
> > I like John's ideas and they reflect mine - I might have overdone it.
> > Mark
> > Lachniet's ideas have some merit as well. I think we would just want
> to
> > provide an overview, business cases, some reference material an stats,
> > and
> > the ability to see the technology in action a bit (and provide access
> > for
> > detailed review before and after). There are two main objections that
> I
> > wanted to overcome as well if possible: security and support. That's
> > why I
> > wanted to throw that in.
> >
> > Let's keep the discussion going on the speakers and exact agenda.
> > Should we
> > get together again on this?
> >
> > Allyson,
> > Any IBM contact status?
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Gilkey" <John@artemis-solutions.com>
> > To: "'Lachniet, Mark'" <mlachniet@sequoianet.com>; "'Tim Owen'"
> > <timowen@voyager.net>; "John Gilkey" <John@artemis-solutions.com>;
> > "'Mark
> > Szidik'" <szidikm@mlc.lib.mi.us>
> > Cc: "'Allyson Knox'" <aknox@lansingchamber.org>
> > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 10:22 AM
> > Subject: RE: Lansing Chamber Of Commerce Open source presentation
> (fwd)
> >
> >
> > > I think the workstations are a great idea. Most people have never
> seen
> > Linux
> > > running and will need the visual to bring the concept home. I'd
> > suggest
> > > setting up a few workstations around the room for people to play
> with
> > before
> > > and after the event.
> > >
> > > ** I'd think the focus of the event should be the business argument
> > for
> > > embracing Open Source in an enterprise environment.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Lachniet, Mark [mailto:mlachniet@sequoianet.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 8:22 AM
> > > To: Tim Owen; John Gilkey; Mark Szidik
> > > Cc: Allyson Knox
> > > Subject: RE: Lansing Chamber Of Commerce Open source presentation
> > (fwd)
> > >
> > >
> > > To be honest, I would try to focus this more.
> > >
> > > For example, what is the value in bringing in workstations? Are you
> > planning
> > > an interactive hands-on session?
> > >
> > > My impression of the COC events is that this is a place where folks
> > look
> > for
> > > "expert" information. Further, anyone who will be coming to this is
> > > probably relatively new to the environment in general. I think
> > they'll be
> > > looking for higher-level information such as:
> > >
> > > * History of GNU-->Open Source, history of Linux development
> (summary)
> > > * Concept of the cathedral vs. bazaar - Microsoft's idea of "viral
> > > licensing" - F.U.D. busting
> > > * Popular uses of OS - ISP's, personal firewalls, web servers,
> > databases
> > > - some examples of packages & users
> > > * Implementation issues from the field - getting qualified people to
> > service
> > > it, lack of technician standards, etc.
> > > * Linux as compared to commercial alternatives - percentage of OS
> > > deployment, certification tracks, standards bodies, etc.
> > >
> > > I don't think they'll be interested, or able to absorb, specific
> > technical
> > > information. For example, just knowing that you can set up a
> > fileserver
> > > that emulates Windows NT is probably enough - a full session on it
> > might
> > be
> > > boring. Ditto with Apache. Of course, if such people show up, that
> > may
> > be
> > > a good place for Q&A and sidebars after the main presentation.
> > >
> > > I would suggest three, possibly four speakers who are dynamic enough
> > to
> > keep
> > > people interested, one of which operating as an M/C, with a prepared
> > bit
> > of
> > > approximately 30minutes or so. Possibly:
> > >
> > > 1-2 people from industry
> > > 1 person from public services (MLC)
> > > 1 person fron an advocacy group - GLLUG?
> > >
> > >
> > > Mark Lachniet, MCNE, MCSE, CCSE, LPIC-1
> > > Sr. Network Engineer
> > > Analysts International - Sequoia Services Group
> > > 3101 Technology Blvd. Suite A
> > > Lansing, MI 48910
> > > (517) 336-1004 voice
> > > (517) 336-1100 fax
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Tim Owen [mailto:timowen@voyager.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 6:46 AM
> > > To: John Gilkey; Lachniet, Mark; Mark Szidik
> > > Cc: Allyson Knox
> > > Subject: Re: Lansing Chamber Of Commerce Open source presentation
> > (fwd)
> > >
> > >
> > > Ok. I need to push on LRCC (Allyson) to get an IBM contact to call
> > and
> > try
> > > to contact Eric Raymond one last time. If that does not pan out.
> > Let's
> > > start thinking about local speakers. Topical choices:
> > >
> > > 1. Tim Owen for overview of the Open Source Movement and Free
> Software
> > > Movement. Someone to present the business case(s) for open source.
> > Also,
> > > present a list of open source projects, info sites, and references.
> > Finally,
> > > get a list of local and national companies that provide software
> > and/or
> > > services for open source technology. Maybe some stats that might be
> > > interesting to attendees as well. 2. Mark Lachniet for a Linux
> > overview
> > and
> > > security issues with open source. 3. Mark Szidik for an overview of
> > > development using Apache, PHP, Postgres and discuss how support
> works
> > for
> > > open source software. Give a plug for GLLUG. 4. Someone for Samba.
> 5.
> > > Someone for Sendmail and other email solutions. 6. Someone for
> desktop
> > > overview (KDE and Gnome). 7. We should have a survey to see how many
> > > attendees use the open source now or plan to in the near future (at
> > home
> > of
> > > in business). Of course the survey should ask for feedback on the
> > program.
> > >
> > > I have some people who could do pieces of this, but would like to
> get
> > other
> > > names. I know there are several good possible people from the GLLUG
> > that
> > > might be interested. We should have some PC's setup with various
> open
> > > source stuff running.
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Mark Szidik" <szidikm@mlc.lib.mi.us>
> > > To: "Tim Owen" <timowen@voyager.net>
> > > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 1:58 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Lansing Chamber Of Commerce Open source presentation
> > (fwd)
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I sent Linus an invitation on Monday, nothing back so far. I
> think
> > we
> > > > have to move on to others.
> > > >
> > > >
> > ______________________________________________________________________
> > > > Mark Szidik
> > > > System Administrator Ph: 517.694.4242 x17 Fax:
> > 517.694.9303
> > > > Michigan Library Consortium http://www.mlc.lib.mi.us
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Tim Owen wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Well, we could take a shot at getting Linus to come in. Could
> you
> > > send
> > > him
> > > > > an email to check to see if he would be interested and
> available?
> > > Also,
> > > see
> > > > > what requirements he has. If large honoraria are involved, we
> > > probably
> > > > > can't do that. We could cover his expenses and help him promote
> > his
> > > book.
> > > > >
> > > > > ESR is not as easy as Ben think, or at least that has not been
> our
> > > > > experience so far. Does Ben have an "in" with him? We are
> > willing
> > > to
> > > make
> > > > > things easy for him.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Mark Szidik" <szidikm@mlc.lib.mi.us>
> > > > > To: <timowen@voyager.net>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 9:18 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Lansing Chamber Of Commerce Open source
> presentation
> > > (fwd)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > > > > Date: 09 Jul 2001 21:08:32 -0400
> > > > > > From: Ben Pfaff <pfaffben@msu.edu>
> > > > > > To: Mark Szidik <szidikm@mlc.lib.mi.us>
> > > > > > Cc: linux-user@egr.msu.edu
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Lansing Chamber Of Commerce Open source
> > presentation
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mark Szidik <szidikm@mlc.lib.mi.us> writes:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ben: do you know how we can reach Linus, and do you know if
> he
> > > is
> > > > > > > willing to do this kind of presentaiton?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've heard of Linus speaking at trade shows like Comdex, but I
> > > > > > don't think he does small events. I mean, I don't *know* that
> > > > > > that's his policy, but I suspect it is. At any rate, his
> email
> > > > > > address is torvalds@transmeta.com.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There's not much about him on the web, besides these two
> pages:
> > > > > > http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/~torvalds/
> > > > > > http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/linus/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > OTOH it probably wouldn't be hard to get ESR if you're willing
> > to
> > > > > > make it really easy for him. He has a list of ground rules on
> > his
> > > > > > webpage: http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/travelrules.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > "Ho ho ho. I _so_ enjoy making a fool out of myself." --Linus,
> > on
> > > > > > Christmas Day, 2000
> > > > > >
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