From willcha@sme.org Fri Feb 1 20:22:30 2002 From: willcha@sme.org (Charles Williams) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:22:30 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Feb Meeting Message-ID: <9453B5DFBA57D311908C00508B12180C020E0FFB@rs-7-sme-1.sme.org> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1AB5E.2FCA271C Content-Type: text/plain Could you announce the Feb meeting details at www.gllug.org ? willcha@sme.org ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1AB5E.2FCA271C Content-Type: text/html Feb Meeting

Could you announce the Feb meeting details at www.gllug.org ?

willcha@sme.org

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1AB5E.2FCA271C-- From PMelson@sequoianet.com Fri Feb 1 21:21:56 2002 From: PMelson@sequoianet.com (Melson, Paul) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:21:56 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] (OT) Win32 ping and errorlevel ? Message-ID: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E52CB9A9@lansingemail.seqnt.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPartTM-000-d115678f-eafe-4212-bebe-3d3f8acbcd45 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1AB66.7A1C4988" ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1AB66.7A1C4988 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry for the Microsoftish question, but it seems like someone might = have stumbled across this issue already. Does anybody know about PING.EXE for WinNT/2K and its errorlevels? I'm = trying to script a Scheduled Task that would check to see if a network = connection (VPN in this case, but that's irrelevant) is up before = launching MOBSYNC.EXE. Here is the offending code: @echo off ping -n 5 10.0.0.8 # This sends 5 packets to overcome any ARP or lag = issues. ping -n 1 -w 5000 10.0.0.8 # This sends 1 packet w/ 5sec wait time to = assure the IP is up. if not errorlevel 0 goto Fail # If there is any errorlevel other than = 0, we have a problem. But we have a problem, anyway. It seems to be skipping the "if" = statement. Regardless of whether or not it's able to ping the host, it = tries to run the commands to connect to the host and sync up. Is there = something wrong w/ my syntax? I chose to do it this way because I was = unable to find any documentation on PING.EXE and specific errorlevels. = Or does PING.EXE simply not return errorlevels? I would do this w/ a = shell script in Cygwin, but Cygwin uses the same ping program, and it = seems like such a simple task to use Ping.pm for. Any help you can = provide is greatly appreciated. PS - the actual batch file doesn't have the #-marked comments. Thanks, PaulM ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1AB66.7A1C4988 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (OT) Win32 ping and errorlevel ?

Sorry for the Microsoftish question, = but it seems like someone might have stumbled across this issue = already.

Does anybody know about PING.EXE for = WinNT/2K and its errorlevels?  I'm trying to script a Scheduled = Task that would check to see if a network connection (VPN in this case, = but that's irrelevant) is up before launching MOBSYNC.EXE.  Here is = the offending code:

@echo off
ping -n 5 = 10.0.0.8      =         =         =         # This sends 5 packets to = overcome any ARP or lag issues.
ping -n 1 -w 5000 = 10.0.0.8      =         =         # This sends 1 packet w/ 5sec = wait time to assure the IP is up.
if not errorlevel 0 goto = Fail           =         # If there is any errorlevel = other than 0, we have a problem.


But we have a problem, anyway.  It = seems to be skipping the "if" statement.  Regardless of = whether or not it's able to ping the host, it tries to run the commands = to connect to the host and sync up.  Is there something wrong w/ my = syntax?  I chose to do it this way because I was unable to find any = documentation on PING.EXE and specific errorlevels.  Or does = PING.EXE simply not return errorlevels?  I would do this w/ a shell = script in Cygwin, but Cygwin uses the same ping program, and it seems = like such a simple task to use Ping.pm for.  Any help you can = provide is greatly appreciated.

PS - the actual batch file doesn't have = the #-marked comments.

Thanks,
PaulM

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1AB66.7A1C4988-- ------=_NextPartTM-000-d115678f-eafe-4212-bebe-3d3f8acbcd45-- From drk@netophilia.net Fri Feb 1 21:39:12 2002 From: drk@netophilia.net (Daniel R. Kilbourne) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:39:12 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Feb Meeting In-Reply-To: <9453B5DFBA57D311908C00508B12180C020E0FFB@rs-7-sme-1.sme.org>; from willcha@sme.org on Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 03:22:30PM -0500 References: <9453B5DFBA57D311908C00508B12180C020E0FFB@rs-7-sme-1.sme.org> Message-ID: <20020201163912.C19986@voyager.net> If I can get the finalized details I will update the site. Charles Williams extolled: > Could you announce the Feb meeting details at www.gllug.org ? > > willcha@sme.org -- -------------------------------- Daniel R. Kilbourne drk@netophilia.net ________________________________ From mcdouga9@egr.msu.edu Fri Feb 1 22:15:17 2002 From: mcdouga9@egr.msu.edu (Adam McDougall) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:15:17 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] (OT) Win32 ping and errorlevel ? In-Reply-To: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E52CB9A9@lansingemail.seqnt.com> References: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E52CB9A9@lansingemail.seqnt.com> Message-ID: <20020201221517.GL27455@egr.msu.edu> On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 04:21:56PM -0500, Melson, Paul wrote: Sorry for the Microsoftish question, but it seems like someone might have stumbled across this issue already. Does anybody know about PING.EXE for WinNT/2K and its errorlevels? I'm trying to script a Scheduled Task that would check to see if a network connection (VPN in this case, but that's irrelevant) is up before launching MOBSYNC.EXE. Here is the offending code: @echo off ping -n 5 10.0.0.8 # This sends 5 packets to overcome any ARP or lag issues. ping -n 1 -w 5000 10.0.0.8 # This sends 1 packet w/ 5sec wait time to assure the IP is up. if not errorlevel 0 goto Fail # If there is any errorlevel other than 0, we have a problem. Try: if not errorlevel==0 goto Fail But we have a problem, anyway. It seems to be skipping the "if" statement. Regardless of whether or not it's able to ping the host, it tries to run the commands to connect to the host and sync up. Is there something wrong w/ my syntax? I chose to do it this way because I was unable to find any documentation on PING.EXE and specific errorlevels. Or does PING.EXE simply not return errorlevels? I would do this w/ a shell script in Cygwin, but Cygwin uses the same ping program, and it seems like such a simple task to use Ping.pm for. Any help you can provide is greatly appreciated. PS - the actual batch file doesn't have the #-marked comments. Thanks, PaulM From fearsb@michigan.gov Mon Feb 4 14:22:00 2002 From: fearsb@michigan.gov (Brad Fears) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 09:22:00 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] (OT) Win32 ping and errorlevel ? Message-ID: Windows doesn't handle errorlevels as well as *nix does. How about this instead? @echo off for /F "tokens=1-7 delims=:, " %%i in ('ping -n 5 -w 5000 10.0.0.8 ^|find ^"% loss^"') do ( set xSent=%%l set xReceived=%%o ) if %xSent% == %xReceived% goto next echo Must be DOWN! :: Insert your commands here goto exit :next echo Must be UP! :: Insert your commands here :exit --Brad Fears >>> "Melson, Paul" 02/01/02 04:21PM >>> Sorry for the Microsoftish question, but it seems like someone might have stumbled across this issue already. Does anybody know about PING.EXE for WinNT/2K and its errorlevels? I'm trying to script a Scheduled Task that would check to see if a network connection (VPN in this case, but that's irrelevant) is up before launching MOBSYNC.EXE. Here is the offending code: @echo off ping -n 5 10.0.0.8 # This sends 5 packets to overcome any ARP or lag issues. ping -n 1 -w 5000 10.0.0.8 # This sends 1 packet w/ 5sec wait time to assure the IP is up. if not errorlevel 0 goto Fail # If there is any errorlevel other than 0, we have a problem. But we have a problem, anyway. It seems to be skipping the "if" statement. Regardless of whether or not it's able to ping the host, it tries to run the commands to connect to the host and sync up. Is there something wrong w/ my syntax? I chose to do it this way because I was unable to find any documentation on PING.EXE and specific errorlevels. Or does PING.EXE simply not return errorlevels? I would do this w/ a shell script in Cygwin, but Cygwin uses the same ping program, and it seems like such a simple task to use Ping.pm for. Any help you can provide is greatly appreciated. PS - the actual batch file doesn't have the #-marked comments. Thanks, PaulM From randall.keyes@jnli.com Mon Feb 4 20:54:50 2002 From: randall.keyes@jnli.com (Keyes, Randall) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:54:50 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Lindows Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1ADBE.304515F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Has anyone looked at this OS? Just wondering if it actually delivers. Randy Keyes JNL Network Services randall.keyes@jnli.com 517-367-3976 "Faith is to believe what we do not see; and the reward of this faith is to see what we believe." Augustine ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1ADBE.304515F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lindows

Has anyone looked at this OS?  Just wondering if = it actually delivers.

Randy Keyes
JNL Network Services
randall.keyes@jnli.com <mailto:randall.keyes@jnli.com= >
517-367-3976
"Faith is to believe what we do not see; and = the reward of this faith is to see what we believe."  = Augustine

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1ADBE.304515F0-- From fearsb@michigan.gov Mon Feb 4 20:59:42 2002 From: fearsb@michigan.gov (Brad Fears) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 15:59:42 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Lindows Message-ID: Might want to have a look at this review: http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/01/25/1811226&mode=thread --Brad Fears >>> "Keyes, Randall" 02/04/02 03:54PM >>> Has anyone looked at this OS? Just wondering if it actually delivers. Randy Keyes JNL Network Services randall.keyes@jnli.com 517-367-3976 "Faith is to believe what we do not see; and the reward of this faith is to see what we believe." Augustine From mcdouga9@egr.msu.edu Tue Feb 5 21:19:41 2002 From: mcdouga9@egr.msu.edu (Adam McDougall) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:19:41 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] www.gllug.org website problem Message-ID: <20020205211941.GA15386@egr.msu.edu> Could someone fix this please? Thanks Forbidden You don't have permission to access /resources/sql-intro.htm on this server. Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apache/1.3.20 Server at www.gllug.org Port 80 From drk@netophilia.net Tue Feb 5 21:39:38 2002 From: drk@netophilia.net (Daniel R. Kilbourne) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:39:38 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] www.gllug.org website problem In-Reply-To: <20020205211941.GA15386@egr.msu.edu>; from mcdouga9@egr.msu.edu on Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 04:19:41PM -0500 References: <20020205211941.GA15386@egr.msu.edu> Message-ID: <20020205163938.D88175@voyager.net> fixed Feel free to report any other problems you find directly to me Adam McDougall extolled: > Could someone fix this please? Thanks > > > > Forbidden > You don't have permission to access /resources/sql-intro.htm on this > server. > > Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an > ErrorDocument to handle the request. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Apache/1.3.20 Server at www.gllug.org Port 80 > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -- -------------------------------- Daniel R. Kilbourne drk@netophilia.net ________________________________ From blackwe5@pilot.msu.edu Thu Feb 7 05:38:45 2002 From: blackwe5@pilot.msu.edu (Eric Brent Blackwell) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 00:38:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] configuration Message-ID: <200202070538.g175cj749340@pilot03.cl.msu.edu> I am having a laarge problem configuring red hat 7.1 to the campus ethernet. Can some one please help me, and emancipate me from Microsoft. Eric B. Blackwell From blp@cs.stanford.edu Thu Feb 7 06:22:34 2002 From: blp@cs.stanford.edu (Ben Pfaff) Date: 06 Feb 2002 22:22:34 -0800 Subject: [GLLUG] configuration In-Reply-To: <200202070538.g175cj749340@pilot03.cl.msu.edu> References: <200202070538.g175cj749340@pilot03.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: <87zo2llsk5.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu> "Eric Brent Blackwell" writes: > I am having a laarge problem configuring red hat 7.1 to the campus ethernet. > Can some one please help me, and emancipate me from Microsoft. Describing the problem would probably help. From roach@www.voyager.net Thu Feb 7 12:54:57 2002 From: roach@www.voyager.net (Eric T. Roach) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 07:54:57 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] configuration References: <200202070538.g175cj749340@pilot03.cl.msu.edu> <87zo2llsk5.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <3C627921.6506D49@www.voyager.net> If I remember correctly, it's been well over a year since the last installfest. Perhaps this could prompt the group to organize one. Ben Pfaff wrote: > "Eric Brent Blackwell" writes: > > > I am having a laarge problem configuring red hat 7.1 to the campus ethernet. > > Can some one please help me, and emancipate me from Microsoft. > > Describing the problem would probably help. > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From szumlins@msu.edu Thu Feb 7 14:49:45 2002 From: szumlins@msu.edu (Mike Szumlinski) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 09:49:45 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Darwin/x86 Message-ID: Just curious if anyone has tried out Darwin/x86 yet? My x86 boxes are box full of crap hardware, so it isn't supported on my machines. Eventually I'd love to switch from FreeBSD to Darwin (seeing the entire ports tree has moved over to Darwin - see http://gnu-darwin.sourceforge.net). -Mike -=--===---===---===---===-=- |Mike Szumlinski | |Michigan State University | -=--===---===---===---===-=- "I need a job. Hire me" From balanonh@msu.edu Thu Feb 7 16:00:07 2002 From: balanonh@msu.edu (Henry Balanon) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 11:00:07 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] rackmount cases and chasis Message-ID: <000d01c1aff0$868c0660$6701a8c0@henry> anyone have any rackmount equipment i can have or buy? me and my roommates need more space so we need to get our computers in one small area. perhaps engineering building has a few extra? *nudge* -h ----------------------- Henry Balanon Email: balanonh@msu.edu ----------------------- From drk@netophilia.net Thu Feb 7 17:09:46 2002 From: drk@netophilia.net (Daniel R. Kilbourne) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:09:46 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] rackmount cases and chasis In-Reply-To: <000d01c1aff0$868c0660$6701a8c0@henry>; from balanonh@msu.edu on Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 11:00:07AM -0500 References: <000d01c1aff0$868c0660$6701a8c0@henry> Message-ID: <20020207120945.A32998@voyager.net> When you say rackmount equipment, what do you mean? An actual rack? Rackmount cases for PCs? Hell, if anyone is giving those away, sign me up too. Otherwise, you may wish to look online to buy some. Henry Balanon extolled: > anyone have any rackmount equipment i > can have or buy? me and my roommates > need more space so we need to get our > computers in one small area. perhaps > engineering building has a few extra? > *nudge* > > -h > > ----------------------- > Henry Balanon > Email: balanonh@msu.edu > ----------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -- -------------------------------- Daniel R. Kilbourne drk@netophilia.net ________________________________ From jclii@yahoo.com Thu Feb 7 20:02:53 2002 From: jclii@yahoo.com (J.C. LAMACCHIA JR) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:02:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GLLUG] Redhat configuration for campus network Message-ID: <20020207200253.41573.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Eric, If you haven't done so already you may want to check the ethernet configuration instructions for Redhat (albeit version 6.2) at http://www.msu.edu/service/sns/linux/redhat_ethernet_config.html Jim LaMacchia Computer Services Librarian MSU-Detroit College of Law ***************** I am having a laarge problem configuring red hat 7.1 to the campus ethernet. Can some one please help me, and emancipate me from Microsoft. Eric B. Blackwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From picasso@madflower.com Tue Feb 12 10:12:02 2002 From: picasso@madflower.com (Sean) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 05:12:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Meeting tommorrow?? Message-ID: I havent seen anything on the list and I havent seen anyone saying anything about a presentation. so what is up with our meeting schedule? From picasso@madflower.com Tue Feb 12 10:20:09 2002 From: picasso@madflower.com (Sean) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 05:20:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Free Linux training... Message-ID: If you look at http://www.beefreeway.com/ which is a state sponsered program. They actually have free Linux, Unix, etc. training for small (less than 25 full-time employees) businesses. I thought there was something for non-profits too but I am NOT seeing that atm. and I am having a ahrd time navigating this maze. Sean From szidikm@mlcnet.org Tue Feb 12 15:16:16 2002 From: szidikm@mlcnet.org (Mark Szidik) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:16:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Free Linux training... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for sharing this site. Very cool. ______________________________________________________________________ Mark Szidik On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Sean wrote: > If you look at http://www.beefreeway.com/ which is a state sponsered > program. They actually have free Linux, Unix, etc. training for small > (less than 25 full-time employees) businesses. > > I thought there was something for non-profits too but I am NOT seeing that > atm. and I am having a ahrd time navigating this maze. > > Sean > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From bcarr@icshq.com Wed Feb 13 14:32:37 2002 From: bcarr@icshq.com (Barry Carr) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:32:37 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Next Meeting? Message-ID: <000201c1b49b$49986820$c79a99d1@prog17002> When is the next meeting? I haven't attended yet, but I'm really interested in attending the next meeting. Barry Carr bcarr@icshq.com From balanonh@msu.edu Wed Feb 13 15:51:29 2002 From: balanonh@msu.edu (Henry Balanon) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:51:29 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Next Meeting? References: <000201c1b49b$49986820$c79a99d1@prog17002> Message-ID: <000701c1b4a6$503de910$6701a8c0@henry> are these "meetings" newbie friendly? -h ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Carr" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 9:32 AM Subject: [GLLUG] Next Meeting? > When is the next meeting? I haven't attended yet, but I'm really interested > in attending the next meeting. > > Barry Carr > bcarr@icshq.com > > > ________________________________________ _______ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ linux-user From glowack2@msu.edu Wed Feb 13 16:08:21 2002 From: glowack2@msu.edu (Edward Glowacki) Date: 13 Feb 2002 11:08:21 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Next Meeting? In-Reply-To: <000701c1b4a6$503de910$6701a8c0@henry> References: <000201c1b49b$49986820$c79a99d1@prog17002> <000701c1b4a6$503de910$6701a8c0@henry> Message-ID: <1013616501.92935.14.camel@hurakan.cl.msu.edu> On Wed, 2002-02-13 at 10:51, Henry Balanon wrote: > are these "meetings" newbie friendly? > > -h Yeah, a bit geeky at times, but overall fairly newbie friendly. We had cookies and beverages at a recent meeting, and we even let the first-timers have some! ;) Generally we try to be helpful to the newbies, but what I think often happens is that the newbies show up and don't feel confident enough to ask questions. With nothing specific to talk about, the rest of us get into some heavy geek-talk, then the newbies think, "Hey, this is way over my head and they don't want to help me", and the newbie doesn't ever reappear at another meeting... So a message to all you newbies, *please* ask questions. Chances are, someone there will know the answer, or at least be able to start you on the road to finding the answer. You're also free to bring your computer to have us help you fix a problem on the spot, though we do understand the hassle involved in moving a computer and that it's not always worth the effort. Does that answer your question, or do I need to bribe you with cookies and pop to get you to come to the next meeting? ;) -- Edward Glowacki glowack2@msu.edu GLLUG Peon http://www.gllug.org Imagination is the one weapon in the war against reality. -- Jules de Gaultier From felicia@lon-capa.org Wed Feb 13 16:10:35 2002 From: felicia@lon-capa.org (Felicia Berryman) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:10:35 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Where is outgoing mail stored? Message-ID: <3C6A8FFA.944339E9@lon-capa.org> Hello, I have a machine that was sending outgoing mail and filling up mailboxes. The current solution has been to unplug the ethernet. I would prefer to delete the outgoing mail and have the machine back on the network though. Does anyone know if this stored in an outbox similar to the /var/spool/mail/ inboxes? Thanks! Felicia -- Felicia Berryman LON-CAPA Coordinator Michigan State University Email: felicia@lon-capa.org Phone: (517)432-9866 http://www.lon-capa.org From dpk@egr.msu.edu Wed Feb 13 16:16:11 2002 From: dpk@egr.msu.edu (Dpk) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:16:11 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Where is outgoing mail stored? In-Reply-To: <3C6A8FFA.944339E9@lon-capa.org> References: <3C6A8FFA.944339E9@lon-capa.org> Message-ID: <20020213161611.GB4223@egr.msu.edu> On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 11:10:35AM -0500, Felicia Berryman wrote: Hello, I have a machine that was sending outgoing mail and filling up mailboxes. The current solution has been to unplug the ethernet. I would prefer to delete the outgoing mail and have the machine back on the network though. Does anyone know if this stored in an outbox similar to the /var/spool/mail/ inboxes? Thanks! Outgoing email is queued in /var/spool/mqueue/ If you are running sendmail you will want to execute the following: /etc/init.d/sendmail stop; rm -f /var/spool/mqueue; \ /etc/init.d/sendmail start Dennis Kelly Network Administrator College of Engineering Michigan State University From sreiner@fnba.com Wed Feb 13 16:22:10 2002 From: sreiner@fnba.com (Suzanne Reiner 8423) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:22:10 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Next Meeting? In-Reply-To: <1013616501.92935.14.camel@hurakan.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: <009201c1b4aa$96ae4d50$66631cac@99102dev> -----Original Message----- From: linux-user-admin@egr.msu.edu [mailto:linux-user-admin@egr.msu.edu]On Behalf Of Edward Glowacki Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:08 AM To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Next Meeting? On Wed, 2002-02-13 at 10:51, Henry Balanon wrote: >> are these "meetings" newbie friendly? >> >> -h >Yeah, a bit geeky at times, but overall fairly newbie friendly. We had >cookies and beverages at a recent meeting, and we even let the >first-timers have some! ;) >Generally we try to be helpful to the newbies, but what I think often >happens is that the newbies show up and don't feel confident enough to >ask questions. With nothing specific to talk about, the rest of us get >into some heavy geek-talk, then the newbies think, "Hey, this is way >over my head and they don't want to help me", and the newbie doesn't >ever reappear at another meeting... >So a message to all you newbies, *please* ask questions. Chances are, >someone there will know the answer, or at least be able to start you on >the road to finding the answer. You're also free to bring your computer >to have us help you fix a problem on the spot, though we do understand >the hassle involved in moving a computer and that it's not always worth >the effort. >Does that answer your question, or do I need to bribe you with cookies >and pop to get you to come to the next meeting? ;) OOooh. Bribe me! Bribe ME! Is the next meeting tonight? Suzanne From PMelson@sequoianet.com Wed Feb 13 16:27:40 2002 From: PMelson@sequoianet.com (Melson, Paul) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:27:40 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Where is outgoing mail stored? Message-ID: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E52CB9BC@lansingemail.seqnt.com> Depends on your mail server software. Sendmail: /var/spool/mqueue (or /var/mail/mqueue) Postfix: /var/spool/postfix/maildrop Qmail: /var/qmail/queue PaulM -----Original Message----- From: Felicia Berryman [mailto:felicia@lon-capa.org] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:11 AM To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu Subject: [GLLUG] Where is outgoing mail stored? Hello, I have a machine that was sending outgoing mail and filling up mailboxes. The current solution has been to unplug the ethernet. I would prefer to delete the outgoing mail and have the machine back on the network though. Does anyone know if this stored in an outbox similar to the /var/spool/mail/ inboxes? Thanks! Felicia -- Felicia Berryman LON-CAPA Coordinator Michigan State University Email: felicia@lon-capa.org Phone: (517)432-9866 http://www.lon-capa.org _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user@egr.msu.edu http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From picasso@madflower.com Wed Feb 13 12:43:17 2002 From: picasso@madflower.com (Sean) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 07:43:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Next Meeting? In-Reply-To: <1013616501.92935.14.camel@hurakan.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: On 13 Feb 2002, Edward Glowacki wrote: > Does that answer your question, or do I need to bribe you with cookies > and pop to get you to come to the next meeting? ;) You better bring lots because this is one hungry newbie. =) On the same note, if the meeting "topic" isn't something you are interested in (or never heard of the technology being discussed). There is time to discuss OTHER topics, and don't be afraid to show up because what you want to ask is not the "official topic". From picasso@madflower.com Wed Feb 13 12:48:30 2002 From: picasso@madflower.com (Sean) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 07:48:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] iPod's In-Reply-To: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E52CB9BC@lansingemail.seqnt.com> Message-ID: Has anyone seen/heard of a way to get the iPod synced with Linux? Im sure I wont be able to boot, or use it as a drive, but I thought syncing would be nice. From szumlins@msu.edu Wed Feb 13 16:51:49 2002 From: szumlins@msu.edu (Mike Szumlinski) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:51:49 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Check out ipoding.com and ipodhacks.com every day or so. They tend to be where I get my info hub. -Mike On 2/13/02 7:48 AM, "Sean" wrote: > Has anyone seen/heard of a way to get the iPod synced with Linux? Im sure > I wont be able to boot, or use it as a drive, but I thought syncing would > be nice. -=--===---===---===---===-=- |Mike Szumlinski | |Michigan State University | -=--===---===---===---===-=- "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit" -Aristotle From soverfield@gccmha.org Wed Feb 13 16:46:29 2002 From: soverfield@gccmha.org (Scott Overfield) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:46:29 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Arp warnings Message-ID: <918F8DDE7A6AD311A90900508B2CBF70297E77@SERVER1> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B4AD.FC49C740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Good Mornong, Yesterday I set up a dual-homed freebsd box as an internal firewall between 2 subnets on my LAN....this morning when I came in, the console was full of messages like this: arp: 172.16.0.1 is on xl1 but got reply from 00:04:76:bc:0e:ec on xl0.... Any ideas? ******************************************** Scott Overfield Network Administrator Gratiot County Community Mental Health 989-466-4109 soverfield@gccmha.org ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B4AD.FC49C740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Arp warnings

Good Mornong,
Yesterday I set up a dual-homed = freebsd box as an internal firewall between 2 subnets on my LAN....this = morning when I came in, the console was full of messages like this: = arp: 172.16.0.1 is on xl1 but got reply from 00:04:76:bc:0e:ec on = xl0.... Any ideas?

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Scott Overfield
Network Administrator
Gratiot County Community Mental = Health
989-466-4109
soverfield@gccmha.org

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B4AD.FC49C740-- From fearsb@michigan.gov Wed Feb 13 18:07:43 2002 From: fearsb@michigan.gov (Brad Fears) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:07:43 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Arp warnings Message-ID: What IP addresses/netmasks did you assign to 'xl0' and 'xl1'? The routed deamon won't route packets if both nics are on the same subnet. --Brad Fears >>> Scott Overfield 02/13/02 11:46AM >>> Good Mornong, Yesterday I set up a dual-homed freebsd box as an internal firewall between 2 subnets on my LAN....this morning when I came in, the console was full of messages like this: arp: 172.16.0.1 is on xl1 but got reply from 00:04:76:bc:0e:ec on xl0.... Any ideas? ******************************************** Scott Overfield Network Administrator Gratiot County Community Mental Health 989-466-4109 soverfield@gccmha.org From soverfield@gccmha.org Wed Feb 13 17:57:47 2002 From: soverfield@gccmha.org (Scott Overfield) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:57:47 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Arp warnings Message-ID: <918F8DDE7A6AD311A90900508B2CBF70297E7C@SERVER1> 65.x.x.x 255.255.255.224, 172.x.x.x, 255.255.255.0 -----Original Message----- From: Brad Fears [mailto:fearsb@michigan.gov] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:08 PM To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu; soverfield@gccmha.org Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Arp warnings What IP addresses/netmasks did you assign to 'xl0' and 'xl1'? The routed deamon won't route packets if both nics are on the same subnet. --Brad Fears >>> Scott Overfield 02/13/02 11:46AM >>> Good Mornong, Yesterday I set up a dual-homed freebsd box as an internal firewall between 2 subnets on my LAN....this morning when I came in, the console was full of messages like this: arp: 172.16.0.1 is on xl1 but got reply from 00:04:76:bc:0e:ec on xl0.... Any ideas? ******************************************** Scott Overfield Network Administrator Gratiot County Community Mental Health 989-466-4109 soverfield@gccmha.org _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user@egr.msu.edu http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From soverfield@gccmha.org Wed Feb 13 18:08:07 2002 From: soverfield@gccmha.org (Scott Overfield) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:08:07 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Arp warnings Message-ID: <918F8DDE7A6AD311A90900508B2CBF70297E7D@SERVER1> The box does appear to be routing properly, I am able to access the subnet behind it.... -----Original Message----- From: Brad Fears [mailto:fearsb@michigan.gov] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:08 PM To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu; soverfield@gccmha.org Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Arp warnings What IP addresses/netmasks did you assign to 'xl0' and 'xl1'? The routed deamon won't route packets if both nics are on the same subnet. --Brad Fears >>> Scott Overfield 02/13/02 11:46AM >>> Good Mornong, Yesterday I set up a dual-homed freebsd box as an internal firewall between 2 subnets on my LAN....this morning when I came in, the console was full of messages like this: arp: 172.16.0.1 is on xl1 but got reply from 00:04:76:bc:0e:ec on xl0.... Any ideas? ******************************************** Scott Overfield Network Administrator Gratiot County Community Mental Health 989-466-4109 soverfield@gccmha.org _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user@egr.msu.edu http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From PMelson@sequoianet.com Wed Feb 13 18:22:57 2002 From: PMelson@sequoianet.com (Melson, Paul) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:22:57 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Arp warnings Message-ID: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E52CB9BE@lansingemail.seqnt.com> If you run `arp -a` which device has the record for that IP address? Perhaps try clearing the ARP table. Cisco makes it nice & easy (`clear arp`), but I think for BSD/Linux you've got to use something ugly like `arp -a | awk '{ print $1 }' | xargs arp -d` to avoid doing it all by hand. PaulM -----Original Message----- From: Scott Overfield [mailto:soverfield@gccmha.org] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 12:58 PM To: 'Brad Fears'; Linux-User (linux-user@egr.msu.edu) Subject: RE: [GLLUG] Arp warnings 65.x.x.x 255.255.255.224, 172.x.x.x, 255.255.255.0 -----Original Message----- From: Brad Fears [mailto:fearsb@michigan.gov] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:08 PM To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu; soverfield@gccmha.org Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Arp warnings What IP addresses/netmasks did you assign to 'xl0' and 'xl1'? The routed deamon won't route packets if both nics are on the same subnet. --Brad Fears >>> Scott Overfield 02/13/02 11:46AM >>> Good Mornong, Yesterday I set up a dual-homed freebsd box as an internal firewall between 2 subnets on my LAN....this morning when I came in, the console was full of messages like this: arp: 172.16.0.1 is on xl1 but got reply from 00:04:76:bc:0e:ec on xl0.... Any ideas? ******************************************** Scott Overfield Network Administrator Gratiot County Community Mental Health 989-466-4109 soverfield@gccmha.org _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user@egr.msu.edu http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user@egr.msu.edu http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From soverfield@gccmha.org Wed Feb 13 18:20:07 2002 From: soverfield@gccmha.org (Scott Overfield) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:20:07 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Arp warnings Message-ID: <918F8DDE7A6AD311A90900508B2CBF70297E7E@SERVER1> Arp -a -d clears the cache, done it several times.... The devices and the arp records on the corresponding subnet are correct....(65.x.x.x on xl0, 172.x.x.x on xl1. -----Original Message----- From: Melson, Paul [mailto:PMelson@sequoianet.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:23 PM To: Scott Overfield; Brad Fears; linux-user@egr.msu.edu Subject: RE: [GLLUG] Arp warnings If you run `arp -a` which device has the record for that IP address? Perhaps try clearing the ARP table. Cisco makes it nice & easy (`clear arp`), but I think for BSD/Linux you've got to use something ugly like `arp -a | awk '{ print $1 }' | xargs arp -d` to avoid doing it all by hand. PaulM -----Original Message----- From: Scott Overfield [mailto:soverfield@gccmha.org] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 12:58 PM To: 'Brad Fears'; Linux-User (linux-user@egr.msu.edu) Subject: RE: [GLLUG] Arp warnings 65.x.x.x 255.255.255.224, 172.x.x.x, 255.255.255.0 -----Original Message----- From: Brad Fears [mailto:fearsb@michigan.gov] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:08 PM To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu; soverfield@gccmha.org Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Arp warnings What IP addresses/netmasks did you assign to 'xl0' and 'xl1'? The routed deamon won't route packets if both nics are on the same subnet. --Brad Fears >>> Scott Overfield 02/13/02 11:46AM >>> Good Mornong, Yesterday I set up a dual-homed freebsd box as an internal firewall between 2 subnets on my LAN....this morning when I came in, the console was full of messages like this: arp: 172.16.0.1 is on xl1 but got reply from 00:04:76:bc:0e:ec on xl0.... Any ideas? ******************************************** Scott Overfield Network Administrator Gratiot County Community Mental Health 989-466-4109 soverfield@gccmha.org _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user@egr.msu.edu http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user@egr.msu.edu http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user@egr.msu.edu http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From reza_beha@yahoo.com Wed Feb 13 18:37:04 2002 From: reza_beha@yahoo.com (Reza Beha) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:37:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GLLUG] Booting into text mode Message-ID: <20020213183704.1213.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> When I boot into RedHat, X starts automatically. Is there a key combination I can hit to jump into text mode without logging in? I ask this because every now and then my screen is garbled and I can't see anything well enough to log in and start a console. If I reboot once or twice, it works fine. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From spitzcor@cray.com Wed Feb 13 18:42:55 2002 From: spitzcor@cray.com (Cory Spitz) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:42:55 -0600 Subject: [GLLUG] Booting into text mode In-Reply-To: <20020213183704.1213.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ctrl-Alt-1 will take you to another virtual terminal. There are others besides 1. On Redhat you may have 6 that work. I don't know, but 1 ought to do the trick. If you want to switch to another virtual terminal you can do Ctrl-Alt-#. I can't help you with the garbled display. -Cory On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Reza Beha wrote: > When I boot into RedHat, X starts automatically. Is > there a key combination I can hit to jump into text > mode without logging in? > > I ask this because every now and then my screen is > garbled and I can't see anything well enough to log in > and start a console. If I reboot once or twice, it > works fine. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From PMelson@sequoianet.com Wed Feb 13 18:42:01 2002 From: PMelson@sequoianet.com (Melson, Paul) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:42:01 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Booting into text mode Message-ID: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E52C9D10@lansingemail.seqnt.com> Ctrl-Alt-F1 should drop you to a login prompt on tty1. (The same thing goes for tty2 thru tty6 using corresponding F# keys.) PaulM -----Original Message----- From: Reza Beha [mailto:reza_beha@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:37 PM To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu Subject: [GLLUG] Booting into text mode When I boot into RedHat, X starts automatically. Is there a key combination I can hit to jump into text mode without logging in? I ask this because every now and then my screen is garbled and I can't see anything well enough to log in and start a console. If I reboot once or twice, it works fine. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user@egr.msu.edu http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From mcdouga9@egr.msu.edu Wed Feb 13 18:41:59 2002 From: mcdouga9@egr.msu.edu (Adam McDougall) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:41:59 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Arp warnings In-Reply-To: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E52CB9BE@lansingemail.seqnt.com> References: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E52CB9BE@lansingemail.seqnt.com> Message-ID: <20020213184158.GA4711@egr.msu.edu> arp -a -d in FreeBSD will clear the arp table. It would probably be helpful to see it first however. Any idea what interface 00:04:76:bc:0e:ec is? It appears to be a 3com. What is the physical layout of your network like? On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 01:22:57PM -0500, Melson, Paul wrote: If you run `arp -a` which device has the record for that IP address? Perhaps try clearing the ARP table. Cisco makes it nice & easy (`clear arp`), but I think for BSD/Linux you've got to use something ugly like `arp -a | awk '{ print $1 }' | xargs arp -d` to avoid doing it all by hand. PaulM -----Original Message----- From: Scott Overfield [mailto:soverfield@gccmha.org] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 12:58 PM To: 'Brad Fears'; Linux-User (linux-user@egr.msu.edu) Subject: RE: [GLLUG] Arp warnings 65.x.x.x 255.255.255.224, 172.x.x.x, 255.255.255.0 -----Original Message----- From: Brad Fears [mailto:fearsb@michigan.gov] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:08 PM To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu; soverfield@gccmha.org Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Arp warnings What IP addresses/netmasks did you assign to 'xl0' and 'xl1'? The routed deamon won't route packets if both nics are on the same subnet. --Brad Fears >>> Scott Overfield 02/13/02 11:46AM >>> Good Mornong, Yesterday I set up a dual-homed freebsd box as an internal firewall between 2 subnets on my LAN....this morning when I came in, the console was full of messages like this: arp: 172.16.0.1 is on xl1 but got reply from 00:04:76:bc:0e:ec on xl0.... Any ideas? ******************************************** Scott Overfield Network Administrator Gratiot County Community Mental Health 989-466-4109 soverfield@gccmha.org _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user@egr.msu.edu http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user@egr.msu.edu http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user@egr.msu.edu http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From blp@cs.stanford.edu Wed Feb 13 18:43:18 2002 From: blp@cs.stanford.edu (Ben Pfaff) Date: 13 Feb 2002 10:43:18 -0800 Subject: [GLLUG] Booting into text mode In-Reply-To: <20020213183704.1213.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020213183704.1213.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <87adud5ik9.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu> Reza Beha writes: > When I boot into RedHat, X starts automatically. Is > there a key combination I can hit to jump into text > mode without logging in? Ctrl+Alt+F1 From fearsb@michigan.gov Wed Feb 13 18:45:55 2002 From: fearsb@michigan.gov (Brad Fears) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:45:55 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Booting into text mode Message-ID: You could always modify the /etc/inittab file like so: # Default runlevel. The runlevels used by RHS are: # 0 - halt (Do NOT set initdefault to this) # 1 - Single user mode # 2 - Multiuser, without NFS (The same as 3, if you do not have networking) # 3 - Full multiuser mode # 4 - unused # 5 - X11 # 6 - reboot (Do NOT set initdefault to this) # id:5:initdefault: Change the 5 to 3, and it will boot to text mode. --Brad Fears >>> Reza Beha 02/13/02 01:37PM >>> When I boot into RedHat, X starts automatically. Is there a key combination I can hit to jump into text mode without logging in? I ask this because every now and then my screen is garbled and I can't see anything well enough to log in and start a console. If I reboot once or twice, it works fine. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user@egr.msu.edu http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From soverfield@gccmha.org Wed Feb 13 18:41:45 2002 From: soverfield@gccmha.org (Scott Overfield) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:41:45 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Arp warnings Message-ID: <918F8DDE7A6AD311A90900508B2CBF70297E81@SERVER1> Both interfaces are 3com905.....as far as the layout of the network..... <>--<>--<>-----<>----<>----<<3com switch>>------<<3com hub>>-------<>-------<> -----Original Message----- From: Adam McDougall [mailto:mcdouga9@egr.msu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:42 PM To: Scott Overfield Cc: linux-user@egr.msu.edu Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Arp warnings arp -a -d in FreeBSD will clear the arp table. It would probably be helpful to see it first however. Any idea what interface 00:04:76:bc:0e:ec is? It appears to be a 3com. What is the physical layout of your network like? On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 01:22:57PM -0500, Melson, Paul wrote: If you run `arp -a` which device has the record for that IP address? Perhaps try clearing the ARP table. Cisco makes it nice & easy (`clear arp`), but I think for BSD/Linux you've got to use something ugly like `arp -a | awk '{ print $1 }' | xargs arp -d` to avoid doing it all by hand. PaulM -----Original Message----- From: Scott Overfield [mailto:soverfield@gccmha.org] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 12:58 PM To: 'Brad Fears'; Linux-User (linux-user@egr.msu.edu) Subject: RE: [GLLUG] Arp warnings 65.x.x.x 255.255.255.224, 172.x.x.x, 255.255.255.0 -----Original Message----- From: Brad Fears [mailto:fearsb@michigan.gov] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:08 PM To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu; soverfield@gccmha.org Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Arp warnings What IP addresses/netmasks did you assign to 'xl0' and 'xl1'? The routed deamon won't route packets if both nics are on the same subnet. --Brad Fears >>> Scott Overfield 02/13/02 11:46AM >>> Good Mornong, Yesterday I set up a dual-homed freebsd box as an internal firewall between 2 subnets on my LAN....this morning when I came in, the console was full of messages like this: arp: 172.16.0.1 is on xl1 but got reply from 00:04:76:bc:0e:ec on xl0.... Any ideas? ******************************************** Scott Overfield Network Administrator Gratiot County Community Mental Health 989-466-4109 soverfield@gccmha.org _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user@egr.msu.edu http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user@egr.msu.edu http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user@egr.msu.edu http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From picasso@madflower.com Wed Feb 13 17:26:00 2002 From: picasso@madflower.com (Sean) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:26:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Next Meeting? In-Reply-To: <009201c1b4aa$96ae4d50$66631cac@99102dev> Message-ID: Now that we have a volunteer to bring in refreshments for the group, let's say we kill all talk of a meeting this week and schedule it for wednesday of next week at AA. Does anyone want to do a presentation? From Websterr@atmosphereannealing.com Wed Feb 13 21:58:35 2002 From: Websterr@atmosphereannealing.com (Roger Webster) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:58:35 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Next Meeting? Message-ID: <47A620D2CAB2D51195410050DA1EE2B2011F@CORP1-SRV> A meeting would be great, but next Wednesday I have another commitment so my building is not useable. AAI is available any other day next week. Roger -----Original Message----- From: Sean [mailto:picasso@madflower.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 12:26 PM To: Suzanne Reiner 8423 Cc: 'Edward Glowacki'; linux-user@egr.msu.edu Subject: RE: [GLLUG] Next Meeting? Now that we have a volunteer to bring in refreshments for the group, let's say we kill all talk of a meeting this week and schedule it for wednesday of next week at AA. Does anyone want to do a presentation? _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user@egr.msu.edu http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From c.tower@express56.com Thu Feb 14 04:08:50 2002 From: c.tower@express56.com (Chick Tower) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:08:50 -0600 Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode References: <200202132116.g1DLG3wU021106@egr.msu.edu> Message-ID: <014501c1b50d$9be716e0$87aa5a41@ctowerhome> I just installed Linux for the first time this weekend, Reza, so I'm a _real_ newbie. I have Mandrake 8.1 (which is reportedly based on Red Hat), and it, too, immediately runs the X Window System. I want to change that, myself. My login screen is even a GUI. Here's something I found, but I won't be back to that PC to try it for a week or two. If you try it before then, please report on its success or failure. Any experienced Linux users may feel free to straighten me out if I'm on the wrong track. One line in the file /etc/inittab specifies the default run level. The book I have (A Practical Guide to Linux) says a value of 6 starts X Windows, but I found some source that says it's 5 for Mandrake, which is the value in my inittab. (I don't recall the source; perhaps a doc file, a Web site, or comments in inittab itself.) The run level I'm going to try is 3, which is multiuser with network support. I expect this will let me login to a text console every time, and then I can start X Windows from the command line if I want to use it. Perhaps the man page for init (the program that uses inittab) will provide you with some information. If what you really want to do is automatically start X Windows every time, except when you get the garbled login screen, I don't think this alone will solve your problem. For that, you could use this and then have a script that runs after you log on that starts X Windows. I believe the command for that is startx. Chick ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:37:04 -0800 (PST) > From: Reza Beha > To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu > Subject: [GLLUG] Booting into text mode > > When I boot into RedHat, X starts automatically. Is > there a key combination I can hit to jump into text > mode without logging in? > > I ask this because every now and then my screen is > garbled and I can't see anything well enough to log in > and start a console. If I reboot once or twice, it > works fine. From keenandr@pilot.msu.edu Thu Feb 14 05:17:04 2002 From: keenandr@pilot.msu.edu (Andrew R Keen) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 00:17:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Arp warnings In-Reply-To: <918F8DDE7A6AD311A90900508B2CBF70297E77@SERVER1> from "Scott Overfield" at Feb 13, 2002 11:46:29 am Message-ID: <200202140517.g1E5H4133516@pilot23.cl.msu.edu> http://freebsdhowtos.com/102.html I couldn't tell from the diagam you supplied where xl1 and xl0 are, but if they are on the same segment (all in building two), then this message is harmless. Use syctl as described in the link to disable it. -ark > > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand > this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B4AD.FC49C740 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Good Mornong, > Yesterday I set up a dual-homed freebsd box as an internal firewall between > 2 subnets on my LAN....this morning when I came in, the console was full of > messages like this: arp: 172.16.0.1 is on xl1 but got reply from > 00:04:76:bc:0e:ec on xl0.... Any ideas? > > ******************************************** > Scott Overfield > Network Administrator > Gratiot County Community Mental Health > 989-466-4109 > soverfield@gccmha.org > > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B4AD.FC49C740 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > 5.5.2654.45"> > Arp warnings > > > >

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Yesterday I set up a dual-homed = > freebsd box as an internal firewall between 2 subnets on my LAN....this = > morning when I came in, the console was full of messages like this: = > arp: 172.16.0.1 is on xl1 but got reply from 00:04:76:bc:0e:ec on = > xl0.... Any ideas?

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> > > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B4AD.FC49C740-- > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > -- |-Andrew Keen |-Keenandr@msu.edu From PMelson@sequoianet.com Thu Feb 14 13:23:24 2002 From: PMelson@sequoianet.com (Melson, Paul) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:23:24 -0500 Subject: FW: [GLLUG] Where is outgoing mail stored? Message-ID: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E52C9D12@lansingemail.seqnt.com> -----Original Message----- From: basher584 [mailto:basher584@usol.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 10:55 PM To: Melson, Paul Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Where is outgoing mail stored? Exim: /var/spool/exim/input -Ben On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 11:27:40AM -0500, Melson, Paul wrote: > Depends on your mail server software. > > Sendmail: /var/spool/mqueue (or /var/mail/mqueue) > Postfix: /var/spool/postfix/maildrop > Qmail: /var/qmail/queue > > PaulM > > -----Original Message----- > From: Felicia Berryman [mailto:felicia@lon-capa.org] > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:11 AM > To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu > Subject: [GLLUG] Where is outgoing mail stored? > > > Hello, > > I have a machine that was sending outgoing mail and filling up > mailboxes. The current solution has been to unplug the ethernet. I > would prefer to delete the outgoing mail and have the machine back on > the network though. Does anyone know if this stored in an outbox > similar to the /var/spool/mail/ inboxes? > > Thanks! > > Felicia > -- > Felicia Berryman > LON-CAPA Coordinator > Michigan State University > Email: felicia@lon-capa.org > Phone: (517)432-9866 > http://www.lon-capa.org > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From Websterr@atmosphereannealing.com Thu Feb 14 13:49:35 2002 From: Websterr@atmosphereannealing.com (Roger Webster) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:49:35 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Next Meeting Message-ID: <47A620D2CAB2D51195410050DA1EE2B20121@CORP1-SRV> The nextOne week from tonight (Feb. 21) at 6:00pm at AAI. If I can get a reply from those who can make it, I will have some food available (Pizza and Soft Drinks). Roger Webster From picasso@madflower.com Thu Feb 14 10:17:03 2002 From: picasso@madflower.com (Sean) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 05:17:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Next Meeting - presentation! In-Reply-To: <47A620D2CAB2D51195410050DA1EE2B20121@CORP1-SRV> Message-ID: I can make it and Ed is bringing cookies. =) Does anyone want to do a presentation or have any suggestions? On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Roger Webster wrote: > The nextOne week from tonight (Feb. 21) at 6:00pm at AAI. > If I can get a reply from those who can make it, I will have some food > available (Pizza and Soft Drinks). > > Roger Webster > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From glowack2@msu.edu Thu Feb 14 14:12:36 2002 From: glowack2@msu.edu (Edward Glowacki) Date: 14 Feb 2002 09:12:36 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Next Meeting - presentation! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1013695956.31735.3.camel@hurakan.cl.msu.edu> On Thu, 2002-02-14 at 05:17, Sean wrote: > I can make it and Ed is bringing cookies. =) > > Does anyone want to do a presentation or have any suggestions? Ed is planning on going to the MSU vs. Minnesota basketball game that night... =P -- Edward Glowacki glowack2@msu.edu GLLUG Peon http://www.gllug.org Imagination is the one weapon in the war against reality. -- Jules de Gaultier From reza_beha@yahoo.com Thu Feb 14 18:06:56 2002 From: reza_beha@yahoo.com (Reza Beha) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:06:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode In-Reply-To: <014501c1b50d$9be716e0$87aa5a41@ctowerhome> Message-ID: <20020214180656.64677.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks, everyone, for all the help! I tried Ctrl-Alt-F1 and it does the trick. From there, my current plan is to drop to runlevel 3 to kill any X processes, then go back into runlevel 5 (using the "telinit" command). I prefer using X because it offers a higher-resolution shell window than what I get in text-only mode, and it looks cool to boot (no pun intended). BTW, runlevel 5 is the default for starting X Windows, and 6 is for a reboot. I believe you're right about runlevel 3 letting you log into text mode every time. Reza --- Chick Tower wrote: > I just installed Linux for the first time this > weekend, Reza, so I'm a > _real_ newbie. I have Mandrake 8.1 (which is > reportedly based on Red Hat), > and it, too, immediately runs the X Window System. > I want to change that, > myself. My login screen is even a GUI. Here's > something I found, but I > won't be back to that PC to try it for a week or > two. If you try it before > then, please report on its success or failure. Any > experienced Linux users > may feel free to straighten me out if I'm on the > wrong track. > > One line in the file /etc/inittab specifies the > default run level. The book > I have (A Practical Guide to Linux) says a value of > 6 starts X Windows, but > I found some source that says it's 5 for Mandrake, > which is the value in my > inittab. (I don't recall the source; perhaps a doc > file, a Web site, or > comments in inittab itself.) The run level I'm > going to try is 3, which is > multiuser with network support. I expect this will > let me login to a text > console every time, and then I can start X Windows > from the command line if > I want to use it. Perhaps the man page for init > (the program that uses > inittab) will provide you with some information. > > If what you really want to do is automatically start > X Windows every time, > except when you get the garbled login screen, I > don't think this alone will > solve your problem. For that, you could use this > and then have a script > that runs after you log on that starts X Windows. I > believe the command for > that is startx. > > Chick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From blp@cs.stanford.edu Thu Feb 14 18:11:22 2002 From: blp@cs.stanford.edu (Ben Pfaff) Date: 14 Feb 2002 10:11:22 -0800 Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode In-Reply-To: <20020214180656.64677.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020214180656.64677.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <87bsesexx1.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu> Reza Beha writes: > Thanks, everyone, for all the help! > > I tried Ctrl-Alt-F1 and it does the trick. From > there, my current plan is to drop to runlevel 3 to > kill any X processes, then go back into runlevel 5 > (using the "telinit" command). I prefer using X > because it offers a higher-resolution shell window > than what I get in text-only mode, and it looks cool > to boot (no pun intended). So your system boots in runlevel 5, you switch it to runlevel 3, then you switch it back to runlevel 5? Net effect being: zero. What's the point? -- "...dans ce pays-ci il est bon de tuer de temps en temps un amiral pour encourager les autres." --Voltaire, _Candide_ From reza_beha@yahoo.com Thu Feb 14 18:14:54 2002 From: reza_beha@yahoo.com (Reza Beha) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:14:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode In-Reply-To: <87bsesexx1.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <20020214181454.84019.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Most of the time, runlevel 5 goes without a hitch. Occasionally, the video is unreadable. At those times it will be quicker to drop to level 3 and retry level 5 than it will be to reboot, possibly multiple times until the video problem corrects itself. Please let me know if you can think of a better solution! Creativity is our friend. --- Ben Pfaff wrote: > Reza Beha writes: > > > Thanks, everyone, for all the help! > > > > I tried Ctrl-Alt-F1 and it does the trick. From > > there, my current plan is to drop to runlevel 3 to > > kill any X processes, then go back into runlevel 5 > > (using the "telinit" command). I prefer using X > > because it offers a higher-resolution shell window > > than what I get in text-only mode, and it looks > cool > > to boot (no pun intended). > > So your system boots in runlevel 5, you switch it to > runlevel 3, > then you switch it back to runlevel 5? Net effect > being: zero. > What's the point? > -- > "...dans ce pays-ci il est bon de tuer de temps en > temps un amiral > pour encourager les autres." > --Voltaire, _Candide_ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From reza_beha@yahoo.com Thu Feb 14 18:20:22 2002 From: reza_beha@yahoo.com (Reza Beha) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:20:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode In-Reply-To: <877kpgexmc.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <20020214182022.68571.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Yes. It never corrects the problem though. :-/ --- Ben Pfaff wrote: > Reza Beha writes: > > > Most of the time, runlevel 5 goes without a hitch. > > > Occasionally, the video is unreadable. At those > times > > it will be quicker to drop to level 3 and retry > level > > 5 than it will be to reboot, possibly multiple > times > > until the video problem corrects itself. > > Have you tried Ctrl+Alt+Backspace? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From picasso@madflower.com Thu Feb 14 14:37:05 2002 From: picasso@madflower.com (Sean) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:37:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode In-Reply-To: <20020214181454.84019.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Why don't you just disable X at startup, then login and start it there with startx? then you can just kill the x-server and restart it. On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Reza Beha wrote: > Most of the time, runlevel 5 goes without a hitch. > Occasionally, the video is unreadable. At those times > it will be quicker to drop to level 3 and retry level > 5 than it will be to reboot, possibly multiple times > until the video problem corrects itself. > > Please let me know if you can think of a better > solution! Creativity is our friend. > > --- Ben Pfaff wrote: > > Reza Beha writes: > > > > > Thanks, everyone, for all the help! > > > > > > I tried Ctrl-Alt-F1 and it does the trick. From > > > there, my current plan is to drop to runlevel 3 to > > > kill any X processes, then go back into runlevel 5 > > > (using the "telinit" command). I prefer using X > > > because it offers a higher-resolution shell window > > > than what I get in text-only mode, and it looks > > cool > > > to boot (no pun intended). > > > > So your system boots in runlevel 5, you switch it to > > runlevel 3, > > then you switch it back to runlevel 5? Net effect > > being: zero. > > What's the point? > > -- > > "...dans ce pays-ci il est bon de tuer de temps en > > temps un amiral > > pour encourager les autres." > > --Voltaire, _Candide_ > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From reza_beha@yahoo.com Thu Feb 14 18:26:22 2002 From: reza_beha@yahoo.com (Reza Beha) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:26:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020214182623.62705.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Does startx provide the ability to kill and restart the x-server where going to runlevel 5 doesn't? If so, this sounds like a good solution. If not, I don't think it would accomplish anything since text mode is always fine until X is started. --- Sean wrote: > Why don't you just disable X at startup, then login > and start it there > with startx? then you can just kill the x-server and > restart it. > > > Most of the time, runlevel 5 goes without a hitch. > > Occasionally, the video is unreadable. At those > times > > it will be quicker to drop to level 3 and retry > level > > 5 than it will be to reboot, possibly multiple > times > > until the video problem corrects itself. > > > > Please let me know if you can think of a better > > solution! Creativity is our friend. > > > > --- Ben Pfaff wrote: > > > Reza Beha writes: > > > > > > > Thanks, everyone, for all the help! > > > > > > > > I tried Ctrl-Alt-F1 and it does the trick. > From > > > > there, my current plan is to drop to runlevel > 3 to > > > > kill any X processes, then go back into > runlevel 5 > > > > (using the "telinit" command). I prefer using > X > > > > because it offers a higher-resolution shell > window > > > > than what I get in text-only mode, and it > looks > > > cool > > > > to boot (no pun intended). > > > > > > So your system boots in runlevel 5, you switch > it to > > > runlevel 3, > > > then you switch it back to runlevel 5? Net > effect > > > being: zero. > > > What's the point? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From spitzcor@cray.com Thu Feb 14 18:44:25 2002 From: spitzcor@cray.com (Cory Spitz) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:44:25 -0600 Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode In-Reply-To: <20020214182623.62705.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Frankly, I don't think that killing X and restarting is a good solution. We should be trying to help you get your X to work right every time. Let me start by asking what video card you, what xserver, and what version of xfree86 you are using. Not that I could help much but it might get you started. Also, have you tried googling to see if anyone else has your problem. There may already be a solution. -Cory On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Reza Beha wrote: > Does startx provide the ability to kill and restart > the x-server where going to runlevel 5 doesn't? If > so, this sounds like a good solution. > > If not, I don't think it would accomplish anything > since text mode is always fine until X is started. > From reza_beha@yahoo.com Thu Feb 14 19:01:16 2002 From: reza_beha@yahoo.com (Reza Beha) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:01:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020214190116.91842.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Unfortunately, I don't have access to my system right now to get specific version numbers, but I'm using a Diamond Stealth 64 (2MB) video card and RedHat 6.0 with whatever versions of X go out with 6.0 by default. I don't want to upgrade yet because I'm planning to do some experimentation with security issues related to the 2.2 kernel. I'm using a variety of Samsung Syncmaster that isn't in the monitor list that pops up during installation, so I think the problem is that my monitor is not accurately represented in the configuration files. I don't think it's worth the effort of solving the problem properly, since I do my software development on an Athlon under RedHat 7.1 with a GeForce2 and everything works fine there. Switching runlevels should be ok for now. Thanks anyway though! --- Cory Spitz wrote: > > Frankly, I don't think that killing X and restarting > is a good > solution. We should be trying to help you get your > X to work right > every time. Let me start by asking what video card > you, what xserver, > and what version of xfree86 you are using. Not that > I could help much > but it might get you started. Also, have you tried > googling to see if > anyone else has your problem. There may already be > a solution. > > -Cory > > > > On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Reza Beha wrote: > > > Does startx provide the ability to kill and > restart > > the x-server where going to runlevel 5 doesn't? > If > > so, this sounds like a good solution. > > > > If not, I don't think it would accomplish anything > > since text mode is always fine until X is started. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From danceswithcrows@usa.net Thu Feb 14 18:59:31 2002 From: danceswithcrows@usa.net (Matt Graham) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:59:31 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode In-Reply-To: <20020214182623.62705.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020214182623.62705.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200202141904.g1EJ4oi29905@groupinfo.com> On Thursday 14 February 2002 13:26, Reza Beha wrote: [ much snippage ] Let's see if I can summarize: Sometimes X's display is corrupted, but switching to a text console and killing+restarting X fixes the problem--sometimes. Did you ever post the make+model of the video card you're using? Do so. Also, is this an Athlon system, and have you tried using the "mem=nopentium" boot option? This is said to fix some problems that can occur with AGP on Athlon boards. Which distro are you running, and which version of X? ("xdpyinfo | grep release" gives version info for X.) -- Paranoid Club meeting this Friday. Now ... just try to find out where! There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see From picasso@madflower.com Thu Feb 14 15:34:22 2002 From: picasso@madflower.com (Sean) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:34:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode In-Reply-To: <20020214190116.91842.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think killing the run-levels is a lot harder then just manually launching X when you need it and killing it and restarting when it goes wonky. FWIW RH 6.0 was buggy, like most x.0 RH releases. 6.1 may have the bug-fix although i didnt think the diamond stealth cards were that well supported since diamond never gave out the tech specs in the first place. On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Reza Beha wrote: > Unfortunately, I don't have access to my system right > now to get specific version numbers, but I'm using a > Diamond Stealth 64 (2MB) video card and RedHat 6.0 > with whatever versions of X go out with 6.0 by > default. > I don't want to upgrade yet because I'm planning to do > some experimentation with security issues related to > the 2.2 kernel. > > I'm using a variety of Samsung Syncmaster that isn't > in the monitor list that pops up during installation, > so I think the problem is that my monitor is not > accurately represented in the configuration files. > > I don't think it's worth the effort of solving the > problem properly, since I do my software development > on an Athlon under RedHat 7.1 with a GeForce2 and > everything works fine there. Switching runlevels > should be ok for now. > > Thanks anyway though! > > --- Cory Spitz wrote: > > > > Frankly, I don't think that killing X and restarting > > is a good > > solution. We should be trying to help you get your > > X to work right > > every time. Let me start by asking what video card > > you, what xserver, > > and what version of xfree86 you are using. Not that > > I could help much > > but it might get you started. Also, have you tried > > googling to see if > > anyone else has your problem. There may already be > > a solution. > > > > -Cory > > > > > > > > On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Reza Beha wrote: > > > > > Does startx provide the ability to kill and > > restart > > > the x-server where going to runlevel 5 doesn't? > > If > > > so, this sounds like a good solution. > > > > > > If not, I don't think it would accomplish anything > > > since text mode is always fine until X is started. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From PMelson@sequoianet.com Thu Feb 14 19:33:13 2002 From: PMelson@sequoianet.com (Melson, Paul) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:33:13 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode Message-ID: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E52C9D17@lansingemail.seqnt.com> At the very least, it would be worth installing the new XFree86 RPMs for 6.0: ftp://updates.redhat.com/6.0/en/os/i386/ -rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 1279175 Sep 15 1999 XFree86-100dpi-fonts-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm -rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 7269340 Sep 15 1999 XFree86-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm -rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 955045 Sep 15 1999 XFree86-3DLabs-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm -rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 1105709 Sep 15 1999 XFree86-75dpi-fonts-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm -rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 769956 Sep 15 1999 XFree86-8514-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm -rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 848167 Sep 15 1999 XFree86-AGX-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm -rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 874574 Sep 15 1999 XFree86-FBDev-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm -rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 944974 Sep 15 1999 XFree86-I128-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm -rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 834095 Sep 15 1999 XFree86-Mach32-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm -rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 881749 Sep 15 1999 XFree86-Mach64-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm -rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 773794 Sep 15 1999 XFree86-Mach8-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm -rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 840548 Sep 15 1999 XFree86-Mono-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm -rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 855931 Sep 15 1999 XFree86-P9000-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm -rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 1048101 Sep 15 1999 XFree86-S3-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm -rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 940990 Sep 15 1999 XFree86-S3V-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm -rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 1363436 Sep 15 1999 XFree86-SVGA-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm -rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 842476 Sep 15 1999 XFree86-VGA16-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm -rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 786213 Sep 15 1999 XFree86-W32-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm -rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 193279 Sep 15 1999 XFree86-XF86Setup-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm -rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 540314 Sep 15 1999 XFree86-Xnest-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm -rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 1123518 Sep 15 1999 XFree86-Xvfb-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm -rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 322675 Sep 15 1999 XFree86-cyrillic-fonts-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm -rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 1968307 Sep 15 1999 XFree86-devel-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm -rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 9636216 Sep 15 1999 XFree86-doc-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm -rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 867673 Sep 15 1999 XFree86-libs-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm -rw-r--r-- 2 102 235 259711 Sep 15 1999 XFree86-xfs-3.3.5-1.6.0.i386.rpm -----Original Message----- From: Sean [mailto:picasso@madflower.com] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 10:34 AM To: Reza Beha Cc: linux-user@egr.msu.edu Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode I think killing the run-levels is a lot harder then just manually launching X when you need it and killing it and restarting when it goes wonky. FWIW RH 6.0 was buggy, like most x.0 RH releases. 6.1 may have the bug-fix although i didnt think the diamond stealth cards were that well supported since diamond never gave out the tech specs in the first place. On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Reza Beha wrote: > Unfortunately, I don't have access to my system right > now to get specific version numbers, but I'm using a > Diamond Stealth 64 (2MB) video card and RedHat 6.0 > with whatever versions of X go out with 6.0 by > default. > I don't want to upgrade yet because I'm planning to do > some experimentation with security issues related to > the 2.2 kernel. > > I'm using a variety of Samsung Syncmaster that isn't > in the monitor list that pops up during installation, > so I think the problem is that my monitor is not > accurately represented in the configuration files. > > I don't think it's worth the effort of solving the > problem properly, since I do my software development > on an Athlon under RedHat 7.1 with a GeForce2 and > everything works fine there. Switching runlevels > should be ok for now. > > Thanks anyway though! > > --- Cory Spitz wrote: > > > > Frankly, I don't think that killing X and restarting > > is a good > > solution. We should be trying to help you get your > > X to work right > > every time. Let me start by asking what video card > > you, what xserver, > > and what version of xfree86 you are using. Not that > > I could help much > > but it might get you started. Also, have you tried > > googling to see if > > anyone else has your problem. There may already be > > a solution. > > > > -Cory > > > > > > > > On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Reza Beha wrote: > > > > > Does startx provide the ability to kill and > > restart > > > the x-server where going to runlevel 5 doesn't? > > If > > > so, this sounds like a good solution. > > > > > > If not, I don't think it would accomplish anything > > > since text mode is always fine until X is started. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user@egr.msu.edu http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From reza_beha@yahoo.com Thu Feb 14 19:36:19 2002 From: reza_beha@yahoo.com (Reza Beha) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:36:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode In-Reply-To: <200202141904.g1EJ4oi29905@groupinfo.com> Message-ID: <20020214193619.28757.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> The problem system is a Pentium 200MMX, and when X's display is corrupted, rebooting sometimes fixes the problem. I haven't had the corrupted video since I first posted, so I don't know yet whether switching to a text console and killing+restarting X will fix the problem. Stay tuned for more info when I get home tonight and can play around with the system. :*) --- Matt Graham wrote: > On Thursday 14 February 2002 13:26, Reza Beha wrote: > [ much snippage ] > > Let's see if I can summarize: > > Sometimes X's display is corrupted, but switching to > a text console and > killing+restarting X fixes the problem--sometimes. > > Did you ever post the make+model of the video card > you're using? Do > so. Also, is this an Athlon system, and have you > tried using the > "mem=nopentium" boot option? This is said to fix > some problems that > can occur with AGP on Athlon boards. Which distro > are you running, and > which version of X? ("xdpyinfo | grep release" > gives version info for > X.) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From danceswithcrows@usa.net Thu Feb 14 19:36:43 2002 From: danceswithcrows@usa.net (Matt Graham) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:36:43 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200202141941.g1EJfxi30217@groupinfo.com> On Thursday 14 February 2002 10:34, Sean wrote: > I think killing the run-levels is a lot harder then just manually > launching X when you need it and killing it and restarting when it > goes wonky. > > FWIW RH 6.0 was buggy, like most x.0 RH releases. 6.1 may have the > bug-fix although i didnt think the diamond stealth cards were that > well supported since diamond never gave out the tech specs in the > first place. Redhat 6.0 used X 3.3.3, which had a number of problems. X 3.3.6, which was in Redhat 6.1, probably fixes this particular problem. X 4.1, which is in Redhat 7.1, will probably not just fix the X problems, but would also give you a performance boost in X. I think the Stealth cards used an S3 chipset of some sort. S3 chipsets have never been well-supported under X, though things have improved and are usable under the latest versions of X. -- "I don't have to take this abuse from you -- I've got hundreds of people waiting to abuse me." -- Bill Murray, "Ghostbusters" There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see From reza_beha@yahoo.com Thu Feb 14 19:44:34 2002 From: reza_beha@yahoo.com (Reza Beha) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:44:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode In-Reply-To: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E52C9D17@lansingemail.seqnt.com> Message-ID: <20020214194434.71136.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Cool, I'll check that out. I'm stuck with a 56k dialup connection right now and have to share the line with my family, so it might be a month or two. I'm thinking of moving back into the Oak Park apartments in Holt. I hope phat bandwidth is available in that area nowadays. --- "Melson, Paul" wrote: > At the very least, it would be worth installing the > new XFree86 RPMs for > 6.0: [snippage] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From PMelson@sequoianet.com Thu Feb 14 19:49:15 2002 From: PMelson@sequoianet.com (Melson, Paul) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:49:15 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode Message-ID: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E52C9D18@lansingemail.seqnt.com> No, but the S3 chipset will display VESA framebuffer modes. Anything that doesn't have GL support of one form or another is better off, IMHO, if it's used in vfb mode - both for the kernel and X display. This solves many problems like switching between graphics modes, using undocumented/unsupported monitors, and color map conflicts. That's just my opinion, but as long as you're not playing Quake or doing rendering/modeling with the machine, vfb is a good (and easy) choice. PaulM --- cut --- I think the Stealth cards used an S3 chipset of some sort. S3 chipsets have never been well-supported under X, though things have improved and are usable under the latest versions of X. -- paste -- From danceswithcrows@usa.net Thu Feb 14 20:19:42 2002 From: danceswithcrows@usa.net (Matt Graham) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:19:42 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode In-Reply-To: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E52C9D18@lansingemail.seqnt.com> References: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E52C9D18@lansingemail.seqnt.com> Message-ID: <200202142024.g1EKOvi30567@groupinfo.com> On Thursday 14 February 2002 14:49, Melson, Paul wrote: > No, but the S3 chipset will display VESA framebuffer modes. Anything > that doesn't have GL support of one form or another is better off, > IMHO, if it's used in vfb mode - both for the kernel and X display. I'm afraid I can't agree with that. The main problem is that the VESA framebuffer is *unaccelerated*. Every bit that you bang into the framebuffer has to be handled directly by the CPU. Doing something as simple as dragging a window around in X (when "display window contents while dragging" is on) will slow the system to the point of unusability on a K6-2 400 with an ATi Mach64 card if you're trying to use the framebuffer. And even if you're not doing much, your GUI will feel like it's on a tranquilizer overdose. Nobody likes that. > This solves many problems like switching between graphics modes, > using undocumented/unsupported monitors, and color map conflicts. I've never had a problem with switching between/among the "standard" resolutions in X. Even weird homegrown things like 320x240 Doublescan work. As for monitors, the only things you need to know are the Hsync and Vsync ranges, which X 4.x can detect directly from the monitor. Fixed-freq monitors can be more of a problem, but then using really old equipment always presents special difficulties. I've never seen a color map conflict, since I said goodbye to 8-bit color when my Powerbook 180c bit the dust. When video cards with 1M of VRAM are available in the junk store for $5, there's no reason for anyone on a desktop machine to be using 8-bit color these days. > That's just my opinion, but as long as you're not playing Quake or > doing rendering/modeling with the machine, vfb is a good (and easy) > choice. Just make sure you know what you're getting into when you choose it. It is at best a stopgap measure while real video support is developed. (good sigmonster!) -- "Unfortunately, men befriend women in futile attempts to get a 3d accelerated video card thingy..." -- Megahal (trained on asr), 1998-11-05 There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see From picasso@madflower.com Thu Feb 14 16:57:44 2002 From: picasso@madflower.com (Sean) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:57:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode In-Reply-To: <200202142024.g1EKOvi30567@groupinfo.com> Message-ID: I have two questions. one is if downloading is a problem, I have a copy of rh 6.1 and 6.2 somewhere that I can burn a copy if that is desired. Would that work? Second, I would run xfree 3.x series just because 4.x seemed doggy to me and I have a similar machine with a similarly shitty v-card (trident 1 meg) although if they have made significant strides in the 4.x series for the S3 I wouldnt bother with 3.x. On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Matt Graham wrote: > On Thursday 14 February 2002 14:49, Melson, Paul wrote: > > No, but the S3 chipset will display VESA framebuffer modes. Anything > > that doesn't have GL support of one form or another is better off, > > IMHO, if it's used in vfb mode - both for the kernel and X display. > > I'm afraid I can't agree with that. > > The main problem is that the VESA framebuffer is *unaccelerated*. > Every bit that you bang into the framebuffer has to be handled directly > by the CPU. Doing something as simple as dragging a window around in X > (when "display window contents while dragging" is on) will slow the > system to the point of unusability on a K6-2 400 with an ATi Mach64 > card if you're trying to use the framebuffer. And even if you're not > doing much, your GUI will feel like it's on a tranquilizer overdose. > Nobody likes that. From felicia@lon-capa.org Thu Feb 14 21:07:41 2002 From: felicia@lon-capa.org (Felicia Berryman) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:07:41 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Thanks for the help with sendmail Message-ID: <3C6C271D.E5833693@lon-capa.org> Hello, Thanks to everyone who helped me out with my overloaded outbox problem. The machine is back up and running and there are no more problems with sendmail. Felicia -- Felicia Berryman LON-CAPA Coordinator Michigan State University Email: felicia@lon-capa.org Phone: (517)432-9866 http://www.lon-capa.org From reza_beha@yahoo.com Thu Feb 14 22:28:53 2002 From: reza_beha@yahoo.com (Reza Beha) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:28:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020214222853.51967.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Ok, thanks for the tip on xfree 3.x. You're way too kind; I'm sure I'll do fine just killing the X server when the video bombs since I don't really need to use X on that machine anyway. I could always drop by the LCC computer lab and make use of slice 'n splice to copy the files onto a few floppies, but it isn't really worth the effort of upgrading right now since there are so many other exciting activities I'd rather do first. ;-) Maybe this attitude comes from being a programmer and frequently having to choose between: A) fully debugging a program and B) throwing in the towel at a certain point and moving on to other things where my efforts return a greater reward. I once read that LaTeX is the only complex piece of software that has been completely debugged, and only because its development was frozen so that Knuth could get back to writing his tomes of knowledge after dedicating 10 years of his life to writing LaTeX. --- Sean wrote: > I have two questions. one is if downloading is a > problem, I have a copy of > rh 6.1 and 6.2 somewhere that I can burn a copy if > that is desired. Would > that work? > > Second, I would run xfree 3.x series just because > 4.x seemed doggy to me > and I have a similar machine with a similarly shitty > v-card (trident 1 > meg) although if they have made significant strides > in the 4.x series for > the S3 I wouldnt bother with 3.x. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From blp@cs.stanford.edu Thu Feb 14 23:13:59 2002 From: blp@cs.stanford.edu (Ben Pfaff) Date: 14 Feb 2002 15:13:59 -0800 Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode In-Reply-To: <20020214222853.51967.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020214222853.51967.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <87r8nnejwo.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu> Reza Beha writes: > I once read that LaTeX is the only complex piece of > software that has been completely debugged, and only > because its development was frozen so that Knuth could > get back to writing his tomes of knowledge after > dedicating 10 years of his life to writing LaTeX. Actually that's plain TeX, not LaTeX, which is an extension package by Leslie Lamport et al. But I think the biggest reason that TeX is so completely debugged is that Knuth gives out money to people who send him bug reports :-) There are certainly large programs without bugs. These do tend to be the ones that were designed from the ground up with correctness in mind. Some of them have been *proven* correct, for that matter. The critical flight systems on aircraft tend to fit in this category. From picasso@madflower.com Thu Feb 14 20:10:33 2002 From: picasso@madflower.com (Sean) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:10:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode In-Reply-To: <87r8nnejwo.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu> Message-ID: On 14 Feb 2002, Ben Pfaff wrote: > > There are certainly large programs without bugs. These do tend > to be the ones that were designed from the ground up with > correctness in mind. Some of them have been *proven* correct, > for that matter. The critical flight systems on aircraft tend to > fit in this category. I don't think critical flight systems on aircraft tend to be that large. Most of the time they are really small embedded programs on RTOSs and burned to ROM. The parts are modularized as a fail safe precaution and run on 8-16 bit processors for low energy consumption for battery backup. They are typically stress-tested for a wide-range of environmental conditions. Non-critical systems would be larger. From reza_beha@yahoo.com Fri Feb 15 01:21:59 2002 From: reza_beha@yahoo.com (Reza Beha) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:21:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Booting into text mode In-Reply-To: <200202141904.g1EJ4oi29905@groupinfo.com> Message-ID: <20020215012159.10439.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> Aye Ben, I also read that many of the people who found bugs in TeX never cashed their check because it's more valuable to have a check written by Knuth! Fame has its benefits. For chuckles: Red Hat Linux release 6.0 (Hedwig) Kernel 2.2.5-15 on an i586 $ xdpyinfo | grep release vendor release number: 3330 --- Matt Graham wrote: > Which distro are you running, and > which version of X? ("xdpyinfo | grep release" > gives version info for X.) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From glowack2@msu.edu Fri Feb 15 12:59:46 2002 From: glowack2@msu.edu (Edward Glowacki) Date: 15 Feb 2002 07:59:46 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Software without bugs (was Re: Booting into text mode) In-Reply-To: <87r8nnejwo.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu> References: <20020214222853.51967.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> <87r8nnejwo.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <1013777986.38237.9.camel@hurakan.cl.msu.edu> On Thu, 2002-02-14 at 18:13, Ben Pfaff wrote: > There are certainly large programs without bugs. These do tend > to be the ones that were designed from the ground up with > correctness in mind. Some of them have been *proven* correct, > for that matter. The critical flight systems on aircraft tend to > fit in this category. A very good article that fits this discussion can be found at: http://www.fastcompany.com/online/06/writestuff.html It's about the software that runs the Space Shuttle, the people who write it, and the processes they use. Good reading -- Edward Glowacki glowack2@msu.edu GLLUG Peon http://www.gllug.org Imagination is the one weapon in the war against reality. -- Jules de Gaultier From utterjef@zelda.cl.msu.edu Sat Feb 16 20:01:58 2002 From: utterjef@zelda.cl.msu.edu (Jeffrey Utter) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 15:01:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Dual Booting Issues.. Message-ID: For the past week I've been trying to get my computer to dual boot Win XP and Debian. I have had no success. Here is my setup.. 2 harddrives.. a WDC 30GB, a Maxtor 40GB I have tried multiple times and ways of installation order and on what drives... My current state is I have XP installed and it works (when only that drive is pluged in), Linux is installed and works, can mount the windows partions also, Lilo will not boot to windows... Boot: Linux 3 XP Boot: XP Error 0x01 3 is an aliase for XP.. After this point It prompts again for Linux 3 or XP, Linux boots fine from here.. Can anyone tell me what I'm going wrong? My lilo.conf for the XP is below, other=/dev/hdd1 lable=XP table = /dev/hdd alias=3 I know that hdd1 is the windows partion because I can mount it and poke around... BTW it's Fat32 not NTFS. So any ideas? Thanks --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeffrey Utter Failure is not an option, It comes bundled with your Microsoft products. http://nova.cl.msu.edu/ From szumlins@msu.edu Sat Feb 16 22:03:01 2002 From: szumlins@msu.edu (Mike Szumlinski) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 17:03:01 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] [ot]php/javascript web devel Message-ID: I'm trying to write a real simple script right now that I see all the time. It is basically the "e-mail this to a friend" link you see at the bottom of lots of news pages and what not. The actual mail form is simple, but does anyone know how to pull the current url (after a post method submit) into a php variable? Is it doable with just php, or do I need javascript too? -Mike -=--===---===---===---===-=- |Mike Szumlinski | |Michigan State University | -=--===---===---===---===-=- "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit" -Aristotle From picasso@madflower.com Sat Feb 16 19:58:29 2002 From: picasso@madflower.com (Sean) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 14:58:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] [ot]php/javascript web devel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: $REQUEST_URI variable equals the current page. The referring url variable ($HTTP_REFERER) doesnt always work. I would probably set $REQUEST_URI == to another value and pass it unless the referring url isnt going to be a php page. On Sat, 16 Feb 2002, Mike Szumlinski wrote: > I'm trying to write a real simple script right now that I see all the time. > It is basically the "e-mail this to a friend" link you see at the bottom of > lots of news pages and what not. The actual mail form is simple, but does > anyone know how to pull the current url (after a post method submit) into a > php variable? Is it doable with just php, or do I need javascript too? > > -Mike > -=--===---===---===---===-=- > |Mike Szumlinski | > |Michigan State University | > -=--===---===---===---===-=- > "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit" > > -Aristotle > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From justmanj@msu.edu Sun Feb 17 03:37:50 2002 From: justmanj@msu.edu (Jason D. Justman) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 22:37:50 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] [ot]php/javascript web devel References: Message-ID: <3C6F258E.88E0A1DF@msu.edu> If you are posting it, then why not just include a > or to the posting
's tag? then you now have $url to work with in your new script.. The problem is (passing $REQUEST_URI) im assuming you aren't checking the validity of the $url now presented to you. you open yourself up the possibility of whats called the 'cross site scripting vunerablility'.. essentially taking untrusted user data from your script and using it. There are a bunch of different ways to do it. and a bunch of ways to do it which might be baaaad.. You should really be checking to see if the url you are going to be including in the email is in fact a valid email. And check for those pesky