From picasso@madflower.com Sat Feb 1 00:50:35 2003 From: picasso@madflower.com (Sean) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 19:50:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] PHP GD Headers and Tables In-Reply-To: Message-ID: well here... http://www.madflower.com/~picasso/final.php the source is: root@phish public_html]# more final.php a GLLUGged Example
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[root@phish public_html]# more pngtest.php On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, Sean wrote: > Sure why not? > > you need to make sure you include the: > header("Content-Type: image/png"); > when you create the image else the browser will get confused. > > also make sure you destroy the image handle. > > I will see if i can chase down the stuff I wrote Im not sure I have it > still or whether it is relevent to php4 or not. But the php.net > documentation is rather good. > > > > On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, Ex Fed wrote: > > > Does anybody out there know if I can send with PHP a dynamically created PNG > > and html table text together in the same browser window? I had have problems > > in the past with headers. Anybody know a way around this? > > > > > > Could I have php create only the png on the server and seperately the Html > > with ? > > > > > > Lee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > _______________________________________________ > > linux-user mailing list > > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From dennis@pipper.net Sat Feb 1 01:33:23 2003 From: dennis@pipper.net (Dennis Pipper) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 20:33:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] OT-ATTBI -Follow up In-Reply-To: <9ADF6F1B8F159448A143DC39FBA9F1EC01B78D14@mail.lib.msu.edu> References: <9ADF6F1B8F159448A143DC39FBA9F1EC01B78D14@mail.lib.msu.edu> Message-ID: <48069.35.11.64.206.1044063203.squirrel@buzz.internet-guy.net> Thanks to everyone who offered input to my dilemma of leaving attbi. I am very happy with the acd setup and service. It was set up in less than 10 days. I called attbi and told them I am leaving after a 3 year marriage. They tried to get me back with an "unspecified special" offer. I told them on principle alone, I won't come back. At any rate, I went with acd because of the feedback from this list. I appreciate the ongoing discussions that go on here. Thanks Dennis From picasso@madflower.com Sat Feb 1 01:53:08 2003 From: picasso@madflower.com (Sean) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 20:53:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] PHP GD Headers and Tables In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Or did you mean something like this? http://www.madflower.com/~picasso/submit.html On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, Sean wrote: > well here... > http://www.madflower.com/~picasso/final.php > > the source is: > root@phish public_html]# more final.php > a GLLUGged Example > > > width="100%"> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > [root@phish public_html]# more pngtest.php > $im = @imagecreate (200, 50) > or die ("Cannot Initialize new GD image stream"); > $background_color = imagecolorallocate ($im, 255, 255, 255); > $text_color = imagecolorallocate ($im, 0, 0, 0); > imagestring ($im, 10, 5, 5, "The GLLUG RULZ!", $text_color); > header ("Content-type: image/png"); > imagepng ($im); > ?> > > > On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, Sean wrote: > > > Sure why not? > > > > you need to make sure you include the: > > header("Content-Type: image/png"); > > when you create the image else the browser will get confused. > > > > also make sure you destroy the image handle. > > > > I will see if i can chase down the stuff I wrote Im not sure I have it > > still or whether it is relevent to php4 or not. But the php.net > > documentation is rather good. > > > > > > > > On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, Ex Fed wrote: > > > > > Does anybody out there know if I can send with PHP a dynamically created PNG > > > and html table text together in the same browser window? I had have problems > > > in the past with headers. Anybody know a way around this? > > > > > > > > > Could I have php create only the png on the server and seperately the Html > > > with ? > > > > > > > > > Lee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > linux-user mailing list > > > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > > > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > linux-user mailing list > > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From c.tower@express56.com Sat Feb 1 04:15:24 2003 From: c.tower@express56.com (Chick Tower) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 22:15:24 -0600 Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Gobbledegook In-Reply-To: <20030131170008.14091.6935.Mailman@jeeves> Message-ID: <3E3AF57C.10591.1063AC@localhost> > From: Matt Graham > Organization: Fleabag Discordian Society > To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu > Subject: Re: [GLLUG] using sed > Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:39:25 -0500 > > TMTOWTDI, after all. Say what???? Chick From picasso@madflower.com Sat Feb 1 05:18:10 2003 From: picasso@madflower.com (Sean) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 00:18:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Gobbledegook In-Reply-To: <3E3AF57C.10591.1063AC@localhost> Message-ID: http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/TMTOWTDI.html TMTOWTDI /tim-toh'-dee/ There's More Than One Way To Do It. This abbreviation of the official motto of Perl is frequently used on newsgroups and mailing lists related to that language. On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, Chick Tower wrote: > > From: Matt Graham > > Organization: Fleabag Discordian Society > > To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu > > Subject: Re: [GLLUG] using sed > > Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:39:25 -0500 > > > > TMTOWTDI, after all. > > Say what???? > > Chick > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From tim@schmidt.is-a-geek.com Mon Feb 3 05:59:48 2003 From: tim@schmidt.is-a-geek.com (Timothy Schmidt) Date: 03 Feb 2003 00:59:48 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Anyone need a CF wireless adapter? Message-ID: <1044251988.5841.3.camel@server.ltsp> I have a D-Link DCF650W 802.11B wireless compact flash adapter that I no longer need... I've used it successfully with my Sharp Zaurus 5500 using both the stock Sharp ROM and OpenZaurus 3.x. Just thought I'd offer it to anyone on the list before posting to Ebay / Linuxnewbie. I'm looking for around $40 or some other hardware... I'm interested in a TV Tuner if anyone has a spare that works with V4L, or just about any AGP graphics card w/ TV-Out. --tim From jeff@idealso.com Mon Feb 3 23:38:22 2003 From: jeff@idealso.com (Jeff Lawton) Date: 03 Feb 2003 18:38:22 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Meeting Thursday Message-ID: <1044315502.1532.1.camel@server.ltsp> This is a reminder there is a meeting this Thursday, see the website for more details. -- Jeff Lawton Ideal Solution, LLC www.idealso.com 517.669.4235 From picasso@madflower.com Tue Feb 4 01:20:44 2003 From: picasso@madflower.com (Sean) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 20:20:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Meeting Thursday In-Reply-To: <1044315502.1532.1.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: Did you mean a week from thursday? the calendar says the 13th.. Anyone have anything good to share? On 3 Feb 2003, Jeff Lawton wrote: > This is a reminder there is a meeting this Thursday, see the website for > more details. > From jeff@idealso.com Tue Feb 4 17:06:22 2003 From: jeff@idealso.com (Jeff Lawton) Date: 04 Feb 2003 12:06:22 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Meeting Thursday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1044378381.1530.9.camel@server.ltsp> False alarm, yes the meeting is next Thursday thank you Sean. On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 20:20, Sean wrote: > Did you mean a week from thursday? the calendar says the 13th.. > > Anyone have anything good to share? > > On 3 Feb 2003, Jeff Lawton wrote: > > > This is a reminder there is a meeting this Thursday, see the website for > > more details. > > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -- Jeff Lawton Ideal Solution, LLC www.idealso.com 517.669.4235 From szumlins@pilot.msu.edu Tue Feb 4 18:21:25 2003 From: szumlins@pilot.msu.edu (Mike Szumlinski) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:21:25 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] PHP/images/MySQL Message-ID: <789C144C-386D-11D7-97A5-000393833772@pilot.msu.edu> Okay...here is what I'm trying to do and I can't figure out a good method. Maybe someone else out there has a good idea on how to do this: I have a user input through a form a bunch of random info (check boxes, text fields, etc), but I also need up to 4 images to correspond to the ID for that row. Its for an inventory system. The images also need to be thumbnailed and shrunk before they hit the folder/database (haven't figured out what is better yet). So basically each unique ID within the database has up to 8 images associated with it (4 thumbs, 4 640x480 images). I can't quite think of how to pull it off. I've done single image stores by just renaming the image the ID.jpg, but that won't work here. I've thought about putting them into the table in the database, but I can't figure out how to use GD to shrink them down first if I do that. I'm sorta clueless on how to pull this off for now. Any ideas? -Mike From brad@mtsdev.com Tue Feb 4 19:28:19 2003 From: brad@mtsdev.com (Brad Fears) Date: 04 Feb 2003 14:28:19 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] PHP/images/MySQL In-Reply-To: <789C144C-386D-11D7-97A5-000393833772@pilot.msu.edu> References: <789C144C-386D-11D7-97A5-000393833772@pilot.msu.edu> Message-ID: <1044386899.837.15.camel@argentina> In the past, I've used ImageMagick to perform the functions you are describing, so that everything is automated through the form, and all manipulation of images is done during initial upload / form processing. Basically, you have your form, with all the user input you need contained in that form. You'd also have a space for file upload fields (for your original images), however many you decide that you need. When php processes the form, it can verify the type of file uploaded was an image (important step), then manipulate the image (resize, copy, etc.) as many times as you need to create your thumbnail / original image sets, then add / modify an entry in the database accordingly. You could just name your files by upload time, split them up by directory or name (scaled_640_480_1044386407.jpg), and either store them in the database itself or just store their location in the database. Difficult, and tedious, but not impossible. I even have a working example that I'll sell you for a six-pack. ;) --Brad Fears On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 13:21, Mike Szumlinski wrote: > Okay...here is what I'm trying to do and I can't figure out a good > method. Maybe someone else out there has a good idea on how to do this: > > I have a user input through a form a bunch of random info (check boxes, > text fields, etc), but I also need up to 4 images to correspond to the > ID for that row. Its for an inventory system. > > The images also need to be thumbnailed and shrunk before they hit the > folder/database (haven't figured out what is better yet). So basically > each unique ID within the database has up to 8 images associated with > it (4 thumbs, 4 640x480 images). > > I can't quite think of how to pull it off. I've done single image > stores by just renaming the image the ID.jpg, but that won't work here. > I've thought about putting them into the table in the database, but I > can't figure out how to use GD to shrink them down first if I do that. > I'm sorta clueless on how to pull this off for now. Any ideas? > > -Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From brucesmith@chartermi.net Tue Feb 4 19:53:55 2003 From: brucesmith@chartermi.net (Bruce Smith) Date: 04 Feb 2003 14:53:55 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] PHP/images/MySQL In-Reply-To: <1044386899.837.15.camel@argentina> References: <789C144C-386D-11D7-97A5-000393833772@pilot.msu.edu> <1044386899.837.15.camel@argentina> Message-ID: <1044388436.22097.148.camel@lx1.armintl.com> If you don't mind multiple copies (different sizes) of the same image on your hard drive, you can shrink them all very easily by using a simple little script and the ImageMagick commands. Here's an example that will shrink multiple images to 18% of the original size, and give the new/shrunk file a new name by adding a "s" right before ".jpg": --------------------------------------------- #!/bin/sh [ -z "$SHRINK" ] && SHRINK='18%' echo "Shrinking to $SHRINK" for f do n=`echo $f | sed -e 's/.jpg/s.jpg/'` if [ -f "$n" ]; then echo "overwrite $n? (y/n)" read ans [ "$ans" = "y" ] || continue fi echo "creating: $n" convert -geometry $SHRINK "$f" "$n" done --------------------------------------------- If the script name is "shrink", then run it like "shrink *jpg". And it can easily be modified to shrink to a set resolution instead of a percentage. I use it all the time to create thumbnails. And I wrote a nice little PHP script that reads the current directory and displays all the files found in a thumbnail format for viewing . . . - BS > In the past, I've used ImageMagick to perform the functions you are > describing, so that everything is automated through the form, and all > manipulation of images is done during initial upload / form processing. > > Basically, you have your form, with all the user input you need > contained in that form. You'd also have a space for file upload fields > (for your original images), however many you decide that you need. When > php processes the form, it can verify the type of file uploaded was an > image (important step), then manipulate the image (resize, copy, etc.) > as many times as you need to create your thumbnail / original image > sets, then add / modify an entry in the database accordingly. You could > just name your files by upload time, split them up by directory or name > (scaled_640_480_1044386407.jpg), and either store them in the database > itself or just store their location in the database. > > Difficult, and tedious, but not impossible. I even have a working > example that I'll sell you for a six-pack. ;) > > --Brad Fears > > > On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 13:21, Mike Szumlinski wrote: > > Okay...here is what I'm trying to do and I can't figure out a good > > method. Maybe someone else out there has a good idea on how to do this: > > > > I have a user input through a form a bunch of random info (check boxes, > > text fields, etc), but I also need up to 4 images to correspond to the > > ID for that row. Its for an inventory system. > > > > The images also need to be thumbnailed and shrunk before they hit the > > folder/database (haven't figured out what is better yet). So basically > > each unique ID within the database has up to 8 images associated with > > it (4 thumbs, 4 640x480 images). > > > > I can't quite think of how to pull it off. I've done single image > > stores by just renaming the image the ID.jpg, but that won't work here. > > I've thought about putting them into the table in the database, but I > > can't figure out how to use GD to shrink them down first if I do that. > > I'm sorta clueless on how to pull this off for now. Any ideas? > > > > -Mike From picasso@madflower.com Tue Feb 4 21:20:19 2003 From: picasso@madflower.com (Sean) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 16:20:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] PHP/images/MySQL In-Reply-To: <1044388436.22097.148.camel@lx1.armintl.com> Message-ID: Why can't you just use imagecopyresampled()? http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.imagecopyresampled.php You need php 4.x and gd >2.x but it looks like what you want. 'On 4 Feb 2003, Bruce Smith wrote: > If you don't mind multiple copies (different sizes) of the same image on > your hard drive, you can shrink them all very easily by using a simple > little script and the ImageMagick commands. > > Here's an example that will shrink multiple images to 18% of the > original size, and give the new/shrunk file a new name by adding > a "s" right before ".jpg": > > --------------------------------------------- > #!/bin/sh > [ -z "$SHRINK" ] && SHRINK='18%' > echo "Shrinking to $SHRINK" > for f > do > n=`echo $f | sed -e 's/.jpg/s.jpg/'` > if [ -f "$n" ]; then > echo "overwrite $n? (y/n)" > read ans > [ "$ans" = "y" ] || continue > fi > echo "creating: $n" > convert -geometry $SHRINK "$f" "$n" > done > --------------------------------------------- > > If the script name is "shrink", then run it like "shrink *jpg". > > And it can easily be modified to shrink to a set resolution instead > of a percentage. > > I use it all the time to create thumbnails. And I wrote a nice little > PHP script that reads the current directory and displays all the files > found in a thumbnail format for viewing . . . > > - BS > > > In the past, I've used ImageMagick to perform the functions you are > > describing, so that everything is automated through the form, and all > > manipulation of images is done during initial upload / form processing. > > > > Basically, you have your form, with all the user input you need > > contained in that form. You'd also have a space for file upload fields > > (for your original images), however many you decide that you need. When > > php processes the form, it can verify the type of file uploaded was an > > image (important step), then manipulate the image (resize, copy, etc.) > > as many times as you need to create your thumbnail / original image > > sets, then add / modify an entry in the database accordingly. You could > > just name your files by upload time, split them up by directory or name > > (scaled_640_480_1044386407.jpg), and either store them in the database > > itself or just store their location in the database. > > > > Difficult, and tedious, but not impossible. I even have a working > > example that I'll sell you for a six-pack. ;) > > > > --Brad Fears > > > > > > On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 13:21, Mike Szumlinski wrote: > > > Okay...here is what I'm trying to do and I can't figure out a good > > > method. Maybe someone else out there has a good idea on how to do this: > > > > > > I have a user input through a form a bunch of random info (check boxes, > > > text fields, etc), but I also need up to 4 images to correspond to the > > > ID for that row. Its for an inventory system. > > > > > > The images also need to be thumbnailed and shrunk before they hit the > > > folder/database (haven't figured out what is better yet). So basically > > > each unique ID within the database has up to 8 images associated with > > > it (4 thumbs, 4 640x480 images). > > > > > > I can't quite think of how to pull it off. I've done single image > > > stores by just renaming the image the ID.jpg, but that won't work here. > > > I've thought about putting them into the table in the database, but I > > > can't figure out how to use GD to shrink them down first if I do that. > > > I'm sorta clueless on how to pull this off for now. Any ideas? > > > > > > -Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From brucesmith@chartermi.net Tue Feb 4 21:31:18 2003 From: brucesmith@chartermi.net (Bruce Smith) Date: 04 Feb 2003 16:31:18 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] PHP/images/MySQL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1044394278.22097.162.camel@lx1.armintl.com> > Why can't you just use imagecopyresampled()? Sure, if you have a powerful enough machine, or not much traffic. Image resizing can be very CPU intensive. - BS > http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.imagecopyresampled.php > You need php 4.x and gd >2.x but it looks like what you want. > > 'On 4 Feb 2003, Bruce Smith wrote: > > > If you don't mind multiple copies (different sizes) of the same image on > > your hard drive, you can shrink them all very easily by using a simple > > little script and the ImageMagick commands. > > > > Here's an example that will shrink multiple images to 18% of the > > original size, and give the new/shrunk file a new name by adding > > a "s" right before ".jpg": > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > #!/bin/sh > > [ -z "$SHRINK" ] && SHRINK='18%' > > echo "Shrinking to $SHRINK" > > for f > > do > > n=`echo $f | sed -e 's/.jpg/s.jpg/'` > > if [ -f "$n" ]; then > > echo "overwrite $n? (y/n)" > > read ans > > [ "$ans" = "y" ] || continue > > fi > > echo "creating: $n" > > convert -geometry $SHRINK "$f" "$n" > > done > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > If the script name is "shrink", then run it like "shrink *jpg". > > > > And it can easily be modified to shrink to a set resolution instead > > of a percentage. > > > > I use it all the time to create thumbnails. And I wrote a nice little > > PHP script that reads the current directory and displays all the files > > found in a thumbnail format for viewing . . . > > > > - BS > > > > > In the past, I've used ImageMagick to perform the functions you are > > > describing, so that everything is automated through the form, and all > > > manipulation of images is done during initial upload / form processing. > > > > > > Basically, you have your form, with all the user input you need > > > contained in that form. You'd also have a space for file upload fields > > > (for your original images), however many you decide that you need. When > > > php processes the form, it can verify the type of file uploaded was an > > > image (important step), then manipulate the image (resize, copy, etc.) > > > as many times as you need to create your thumbnail / original image > > > sets, then add / modify an entry in the database accordingly. You could > > > just name your files by upload time, split them up by directory or name > > > (scaled_640_480_1044386407.jpg), and either store them in the database > > > itself or just store their location in the database. > > > > > > Difficult, and tedious, but not impossible. I even have a working > > > example that I'll sell you for a six-pack. ;) > > > > > > --Brad Fears > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 13:21, Mike Szumlinski wrote: > > > > Okay...here is what I'm trying to do and I can't figure out a good > > > > method. Maybe someone else out there has a good idea on how to do this: > > > > > > > > I have a user input through a form a bunch of random info (check boxes, > > > > text fields, etc), but I also need up to 4 images to correspond to the > > > > ID for that row. Its for an inventory system. > > > > > > > > The images also need to be thumbnailed and shrunk before they hit the > > > > folder/database (haven't figured out what is better yet). So basically > > > > each unique ID within the database has up to 8 images associated with > > > > it (4 thumbs, 4 640x480 images). > > > > > > > > I can't quite think of how to pull it off. I've done single image > > > > stores by just renaming the image the ID.jpg, but that won't work here. > > > > I've thought about putting them into the table in the database, but I > > > > can't figure out how to use GD to shrink them down first if I do that. > > > > I'm sorta clueless on how to pull this off for now. Any ideas? > > > > > > > > -Mike From minshal1@msu.edu Tue Feb 4 21:43:12 2003 From: minshal1@msu.edu (Benjamin Minshall) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 16:43:12 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] PHP/images/MySQL In-Reply-To: <789C144C-386D-11D7-97A5-000393833772@pilot.msu.edu> Message-ID: Check out imagecopyresized() documented at http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.imagecopyresized.php > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-user-admin@egr.msu.edu > [mailto:linux-user-admin@egr.msu.edu]On Behalf Of Mike Szumlinski > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:21 PM > To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu > Subject: [GLLUG] PHP/images/MySQL > > > Okay...here is what I'm trying to do and I can't figure out a good > method. Maybe someone else out there has a good idea on how to do this: > > I have a user input through a form a bunch of random info (check boxes, > text fields, etc), but I also need up to 4 images to correspond to the > ID for that row. Its for an inventory system. > > The images also need to be thumbnailed and shrunk before they hit the > folder/database (haven't figured out what is better yet). So basically > each unique ID within the database has up to 8 images associated with > it (4 thumbs, 4 640x480 images). > > I can't quite think of how to pull it off. I've done single image > stores by just renaming the image the ID.jpg, but that won't work here. > I've thought about putting them into the table in the database, but I > can't figure out how to use GD to shrink them down first if I do that. > I'm sorta clueless on how to pull this off for now. Any ideas? > > -Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From picasso@madflower.com Wed Feb 5 01:38:15 2003 From: picasso@madflower.com (Sean) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:38:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] PHP/images/MySQL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You also might try: http://pear.php.net/package-info.php?pacid=76 the imagick package. This is basically a php wrapper for the image magick stuff.Then you can use the imagick_resize() function. If you want you want compile it in. On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Benjamin Minshall wrote: > Check out imagecopyresized() documented at > http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.imagecopyresized.php > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: linux-user-admin@egr.msu.edu > > [mailto:linux-user-admin@egr.msu.edu]On Behalf Of Mike Szumlinski > > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:21 PM > > To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu > > Subject: [GLLUG] PHP/images/MySQL > > > > > > Okay...here is what I'm trying to do and I can't figure out a good > > method. Maybe someone else out there has a good idea on how to do this: > > > > I have a user input through a form a bunch of random info (check boxes, > > text fields, etc), but I also need up to 4 images to correspond to the > > ID for that row. Its for an inventory system. > > > > The images also need to be thumbnailed and shrunk before they hit the > > folder/database (haven't figured out what is better yet). So basically > > each unique ID within the database has up to 8 images associated with > > it (4 thumbs, 4 640x480 images). > > > > I can't quite think of how to pull it off. I've done single image > > stores by just renaming the image the ID.jpg, but that won't work here. > > I've thought about putting them into the table in the database, but I > > can't figure out how to use GD to shrink them down first if I do that. > > I'm sorta clueless on how to pull this off for now. Any ideas? > > > > -Mike > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > linux-user mailing list > > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From exfed@hotmail.com Wed Feb 5 22:21:53 2003 From: exfed@hotmail.com (Ex Fed) Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 22:21:53 +0000 Subject: [GLLUG] CD-R Problems Message-ID: A group of my users has one machine with XP on it which can add to a CD-R disk over and over again. It has no extra software or drivers loaded on it, other than those that came off of the Windows XP CD. They have another machine with windows 2000 which has Direct CD 5 on it. With this machine you can not add to the previously written CD-R mentioned above. It indicates that the media can not be written to. It can create CDs from files or copy CDs provided it is a blank CD-R Why does the one machine allow us to write to the CD-R over and over again and the CD remains locked to the machine? Could it be a difference in the CD writer hardware specifications? Lee _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dincht@securenym.net Thu Feb 6 01:06:55 2003 From: dincht@securenym.net (C. Ulrich) Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 18:06:55 -0700 Subject: [GLLUG] CD-R Problems References: Message-ID: <200302052318.h15NIb609496@anon.securenym.net> Ex Fed wrote: > A group of my users has one machine with XP on it which can add to a > CD-R disk over and over again. It has no extra software or drivers > loaded on it, other than those that came off of the Windows XP CD. This is called packet writing. > They have another machine with windows 2000 which has Direct CD 5 on > it. With this machine you can not add to the previously written CD-R > mentioned above. It indicates that the media can not be written to. It > can create CDs from files or copy CDs provided it is a blank CD-R IIRC, DirectCD writes the data using the UDF filesystem, which is readable on many operating systems including Linux (but not Windows, apparently, unless DCD is installed). Does have Win2k read the WinXP CD? I assu > Why does the one machine allow us to write to the CD-R over and over > again and the CD remains locked to the machine? > > > Could it be a difference in the CD writer hardware specifications? In all probability, it's yet another built-in feature of Windows that's deliberately incompatible with the rest of the computing world. In the interest of compatibility, you might consider figuring out how to disable XP's packet writing feature and then installing DirectCD for XP if possible. Wouldn't throw out that CD burner just yet. :) --Charles Ulrich -- http://bityard.net From wattersm@wattersm.net Thu Feb 6 06:01:55 2003 From: wattersm@wattersm.net (Michael T.Watters II) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 01:01:55 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] CD-R Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030206010155.503115e6.wattersm@wattersm.net> It's most likely caused by the session not being closed. There should be an option in XP to make the cd readable by other computers. I'm not sure exactly where it is since I haven't used XP in forever. You could always install Nero and use that. On Wed, 05 Feb 2003 22:21:53 +0000 "Ex Fed" wrote: > A group of my users has one machine with XP on it which can add to a CD-R > disk over and over again. It has no extra software or drivers loaded on it, > other than those that came off of the Windows XP CD. > > They have another machine with windows 2000 which has Direct CD 5 on it. > With this machine you can not add to the previously written CD-R mentioned > above. It indicates that the media can not be written to. It can create > CDs from files or copy CDs provided it is a blank CD-R > > Why does the one machine allow us to write to the CD-R over and over again > and the CD remains locked to the machine? > > > Could it be a difference in the CD writer hardware specifications? > > Lee > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From lamber45@egr.msu.edu Tue Feb 11 19:48:00 2003 From: lamber45@egr.msu.edu (David Lee Lambert) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:48:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] ipchains Message-ID: I used to use my Linux box for masquerading ssh/https/etc connections from the LAN it's attached to, but over the Christmas break the boot hard-drive crashed so I installed a newer version of Debian and it came with a 2.2 series kernel. Later I compiled a custom kernel including IP masquerading support, but when I try it out nothing happens. I can run ipchains and add all sorts of masquerading rules to the routing tables, but my Windows boxes still time out when I try to do TCP or ping to the Internet. The only thing I can think of is related to a note that I find in the HOWTOs and in the help for the 'IP masquerading' in the kernel-configuration: > The IP masquerading code will only work if IP forwarding is enabled > in your kernel; you can do this by saying Y to "/proc > filesystem support" and "Sysctl support" below and then executing a > line like > > echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward > > from a boot time script after the /proc filesystem has been mounted. When I try doing this, I get a 'file not found' error. I do have a /proc filesystem, and the option '/proc filesystem' is enabled in the kernel configuration (under the section Filesystems); is there another option elsewhere I should know about? -- DLL http://www.cse.msu.edu/~lamber45/ From pdwald@netzero.com Wed Feb 12 18:00:14 2003 From: pdwald@netzero.com (Wald) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:00:14 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] advice Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030212123650.00cf59a0@pop.netzero.com> First and foremost, I whole-heartedly apologize for the fact that I have posted messages in this forum some time ago and due to reasons beyond my control wasn't available to give any feedback. At the same time, I would like to thank all of you who sent me nice emails in reply to my inquiries. At the moment I am stranded on win32 whenever I am using the internet, given the the fact that I am using netzero. I was looking for a cheap, reliable and resourceful (with space to host hp via ftp, etc) ISP, and since then I am assessing the possibility of use ispwest. Any suggestion would be very appreciated. On another point, I am looking for a test center where I can attend the LPI tests, and eventually the A+, and Network+. At the present time I am residing in East Lansing, so I am looking for some place close. If anyone know of such a place, would be very helpful. -- Pedro Wald From minshal1@msu.edu Wed Feb 12 17:57:15 2003 From: minshal1@msu.edu (Benjamin Minshall) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 12:57:15 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] ipchains In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm not sure about this particular problem, but it's gotta have something to do with that custom kernel. Do you need custom for a particular reason? The packaged kernels in debian are quite complete (including masquerading and all sorts of other networking goodies in modules). I haven't compiled a kernel in a while, but I think there's a specific option for "IP Forwarding" in addition to "IP Masquerading" and seperate from any of the "/proc" stuff. Did you compile any of the networking components in modules, and if so are they loaded properly? Good luck, -Ben > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-user-admin@egr.msu.edu > [mailto:linux-user-admin@egr.msu.edu]On Behalf Of David Lee Lambert > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 2:48 PM > To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu > Subject: [GLLUG] ipchains > > > I used to use my Linux box for masquerading ssh/https/etc connections from > the LAN it's attached to, but over the Christmas break the boot > hard-drive crashed so I installed a newer version of Debian and it came > with a 2.2 series kernel. Later I compiled a custom kernel including IP > masquerading support, but when I try it out nothing happens. I can run > ipchains and add all sorts of masquerading rules to the routing tables, > but my Windows boxes still time out when I try to do TCP or ping to the > Internet. > > The only thing I can think of is related to a note that I find in the > HOWTOs and in the help for the 'IP masquerading' in the > kernel-configuration: > > > The IP masquerading code will only work if IP forwarding is enabled > > in your kernel; you can do this by saying Y to "/proc > > filesystem support" and "Sysctl support" below and then executing a > > line like > > > > echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward > > > > from a boot time script after the /proc filesystem has been mounted. > > When I try doing this, I get a 'file not found' error. I do have a /proc > filesystem, and the option '/proc filesystem' is enabled in the kernel > configuration (under the section Filesystems); is there another option > elsewhere I should know about? > > -- > DLL > http://www.cse.msu.edu/~lamber45/ > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From junus@mail.lib.msu.edu Wed Feb 12 18:11:40 2003 From: junus@mail.lib.msu.edu (Junus, Ranti) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:11:40 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguincon at Warren, MI Message-ID: <9ADF6F1B8F159448A143DC39FBA9F1EC01B78D6F@mail.lib.msu.edu> Hi All, Is anybody aware of this Penguincon conference at Warren, MI (May 2-3)? According to their web site http://penguicon.sourceforge.net/, "Penguicon is a combination Science Fiction Convention and Linux Expo, doing the whole 'you got peanut butter in my chocolate' thing." Looking at the list of speakers, this looks like an interesting event to go to. Is there any interest to go there as a group? thanks, ranti. -- Ranti Junus 100 Main Library Michigan State University East Lansing, MI 48824, USA +1.517.353.8587 From lamber45@egr.msu.edu Wed Feb 12 18:30:16 2003 From: lamber45@egr.msu.edu (David Lee Lambert) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:30:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] ipchains In-Reply-To: <200302121315.48996.nalkunda@cse.msu.edu> References: <200302121315.48996.nalkunda@cse.msu.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, N N Ashok wrote: > Could you post the .config file for your kernel? That might help in locating > if you missed something during compilation. Sure: # # Automatically generated by make menuconfig: don't edit # CONFIG_X86=y # # Code maturity level options # CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y # # Processor type and features # # CONFIG_M386 is not set # CONFIG_M486 is not set CONFIG_M586=y # CONFIG_M586TSC is not set # CONFIG_M686 is not set CONFIG_X86_WP_WORKS_OK=y CONFIG_X86_INVLPG=y CONFIG_X86_BSWAP=y CONFIG_X86_POPAD_OK=y # CONFIG_MICROCODE is not set CONFIG_X86_MSR=y CONFIG_X86_CPUID=y CONFIG_1GB=y # CONFIG_2GB is not set # CONFIG_MATH_EMULATION is not set # CONFIG_MTRR is not set # CONFIG_SMP is not set # # Loadable module support # CONFIG_MODULES=y CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=y # CONFIG_KMOD is not set # # General setup # CONFIG_NET=y CONFIG_PCI=y # CONFIG_PCI_GOBIOS is not set # CONFIG_PCI_GODIRECT is not set CONFIG_PCI_GOANY=y CONFIG_PCI_BIOS=y CONFIG_PCI_DIRECT=y CONFIG_PCI_QUIRKS=y # CONFIG_PCI_OPTIMIZE is not set CONFIG_PCI_OLD_PROC=y # CONFIG_MCA is not set # CONFIG_VISWS is not set CONFIG_SYSVIPC=y CONFIG_BSD_PROCESS_ACCT=y # CONFIG_SYSCTL is not set CONFIG_BINFMT_AOUT=y CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF=y CONFIG_BINFMT_MISC=y # CONFIG_BINFMT_JAVA is not set CONFIG_PARPORT=y CONFIG_PARPORT_PC=y # CONFIG_PARPORT_OTHER is not set # CONFIG_APM is not set # CONFIG_TOSHIBA is not set # # Plug and Play support # CONFIG_PNP=y # CONFIG_PNP_PARPORT is not set # # Block devices # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_FD=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE=y # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD_IDE is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECD=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDETAPE=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEFLOPPY=y # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD640=y # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD640_ENHANCED is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RZ1000=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEPCI=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA=y # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_OFFBOARD is not set CONFIG_IDEDMA_AUTO=y # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_OPTI621 is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_ALI15X3 is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_TRM290 is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_NS87415 is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_VIA82C586 is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD646 is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CS5530 is not set # CONFIG_IDE_CHIPSETS is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=m # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_NBD is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_MD is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_XD is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_DAC960 is not set CONFIG_PARIDE_PARPORT=y # CONFIG_PARIDE is not set # CONFIG_BLK_CPQ_DA is not set # CONFIG_BLK_CPQ_CISS_DA is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD is not set # # Networking options # CONFIG_PACKET=y # CONFIG_NETLINK is not set CONFIG_FIREWALL=y # CONFIG_FILTER is not set CONFIG_UNIX=y CONFIG_INET=y # CONFIG_IP_MULTICAST is not set # CONFIG_IP_ADVANCED_ROUTER is not set # CONFIG_IP_PNP is not set CONFIG_IP_FIREWALL=y CONFIG_IP_TRANSPARENT_PROXY=y CONFIG_IP_MASQUERADE=y CONFIG_IP_MASQUERADE_ICMP=y CONFIG_IP_MASQUERADE_MOD=y CONFIG_IP_MASQUERADE_IPAUTOFW=y CONFIG_IP_MASQUERADE_IPPORTFW=y CONFIG_IP_MASQUERADE_MFW=y # CONFIG_IP_ROUTER is not set CONFIG_NET_IPIP=m CONFIG_NET_IPGRE=m CONFIG_IP_ALIAS=y CONFIG_SYN_COOKIES=y CONFIG_INET_RARP=m CONFIG_SKB_LARGE=y CONFIG_IPV6=m CONFIG_IPV6_EUI64=y CONFIG_IPV6_NO_PB=y CONFIG_IPX=m CONFIG_IPX_INTERN=y CONFIG_SPX=m CONFIG_ATALK=m CONFIG_X25=m CONFIG_LAPB=m CONFIG_BRIDGE=y CONFIG_BRIDGE_NUM_PORTS=8 # CONFIG_NET_DIVERT is not set # CONFIG_LLC is not set # CONFIG_ECONET is not set # CONFIG_WAN_ROUTER is not set # CONFIG_NET_FASTROUTE is not set # CONFIG_NET_HW_FLOWCONTROL is not set # CONFIG_CPU_IS_SLOW is not set # # QoS and/or fair queueing # # CONFIG_NET_SCHED is not set # # Telephony Support # # CONFIG_PHONE is not set # CONFIG_PHONE_IXJ is not set # # SCSI support # # CONFIG_SCSI is not set # # I2O device support # # CONFIG_I2O is not set # CONFIG_I2O_PCI is not set # CONFIG_I2O_BLOCK is not set # CONFIG_I2O_SCSI is not set # # Network device support # CONFIG_NETDEVICES=y # # ARCnet devices # # CONFIG_ARCNET is not set CONFIG_DUMMY=m CONFIG_BONDING=m CONFIG_EQUALIZER=m # CONFIG_NET_SB1000 is not set # # Ethernet (10 or 100Mbit) # CONFIG_NET_ETHERNET=y # CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_3COM is not set # CONFIG_LANCE is not set CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_SMC=y # CONFIG_WD80x3 is not set # CONFIG_ULTRA is not set # CONFIG_ULTRA32 is not set # CONFIG_SMC9194 is not set # CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_RACAL is not set CONFIG_RTL8139=y # CONFIG_RTL8139TOO is not set CONFIG_NET_ISA=y # CONFIG_AT1700 is not set # CONFIG_E2100 is not set # CONFIG_DEPCA is not set # CONFIG_EWRK3 is not set # CONFIG_EEXPRESS is not set # CONFIG_EEXPRESS_PRO is not set # CONFIG_FMV18X is not set # CONFIG_HPLAN_PLUS is not set # CONFIG_HPLAN is not set # CONFIG_HP100 is not set # CONFIG_ETH16I is not set CONFIG_NE2000=y # CONFIG_SEEQ8005 is not set # CONFIG_SK_G16 is not set CONFIG_NET_EISA=y # CONFIG_PCNET32 is not set # CONFIG_ADAPTEC_STARFIRE is not set # CONFIG_AC3200 is not set # CONFIG_APRICOT is not set # CONFIG_LP486E is not set # CONFIG_CS89x0 is not set # CONFIG_DM9102 is not set # CONFIG_DE4X5 is not set # CONFIG_DEC_ELCP is not set # CONFIG_DEC_ELCP_OLD is not set # CONFIG_DGRS is not set CONFIG_EEXPRESS_PRO100=y # CONFIG_LNE390 is not set # CONFIG_NE3210 is not set CONFIG_NE2K_PCI=m # CONFIG_TLAN is not set # CONFIG_VIA_RHINE is not set # CONFIG_SIS900 is not set # CONFIG_ES3210 is not set # CONFIG_EPIC100 is not set # CONFIG_ZNET is not set # CONFIG_NET_POCKET is not set # # Ethernet (1000 Mbit) # # CONFIG_ACENIC is not set # CONFIG_HAMACHI is not set # CONFIG_YELLOWFIN is not set # CONFIG_SK98LIN is not set # CONFIG_FDDI is not set # CONFIG_HIPPI is not set # # Appletalk devices # # CONFIG_LTPC is not set # CONFIG_COPS is not set # CONFIG_IPDDP is not set CONFIG_PLIP=m CONFIG_PPP=y CONFIG_SLIP=m # CONFIG_SLIP_COMPRESSED is not set # CONFIG_SLIP_SMART is not set # CONFIG_SLIP_MODE_SLIP6 is not set # CONFIG_NET_RADIO is not set # # Token ring devices # # CONFIG_TR is not set # CONFIG_NET_FC is not set # CONFIG_RCPCI is not set # CONFIG_SHAPER is not set # # Wan interfaces # # CONFIG_HOSTESS_SV11 is not set # CONFIG_COSA is not set # CONFIG_SEALEVEL_4021 is not set # CONFIG_SYNCLINK_SYNCPPP is not set # CONFIG_FARSYNC is not set # CONFIG_LANMEDIA is not set # CONFIG_COMX is not set # CONFIG_HDLC is not set # CONFIG_DLCI is not set # CONFIG_XPEED is not set # CONFIG_LAPBETHER is not set # CONFIG_X25_ASY is not set # CONFIG_SBNI is not set # # Amateur Radio support # # CONFIG_HAMRADIO is not set # # IrDA (infrared) support # # CONFIG_IRDA is not set # # ISDN subsystem # # CONFIG_ISDN is not set # # Old CD-ROM drivers (not SCSI, not IDE) # # CONFIG_CD_NO_IDESCSI is not set # # Character devices # CONFIG_VT=y CONFIG_VT_CONSOLE=y CONFIG_SERIAL=y # CONFIG_SERIAL_CONSOLE is not set # CONFIG_SERIAL_EXTENDED is not set # CONFIG_SERIAL_NONSTANDARD is not set CONFIG_UNIX98_PTYS=y CONFIG_UNIX98_PTY_COUNT=256 CONFIG_PRINTER=y CONFIG_PRINTER_READBACK=y CONFIG_MOUSE=y # # Mice # # CONFIG_ATIXL_BUSMOUSE is not set # CONFIG_BUSMOUSE is not set # CONFIG_MS_BUSMOUSE is not set CONFIG_PSMOUSE=y # CONFIG_82C710_MOUSE is not set # CONFIG_PC110_PAD is not set # # Joysticks # # CONFIG_JOYSTICK is not set # CONFIG_QIC02_TAPE is not set # CONFIG_WATCHDOG is not set # CONFIG_NVRAM is not set # CONFIG_RTC is not set # CONFIG_INTEL_RNG is not set # CONFIG_AGP is not set # CONFIG_DRM is not set # # Video For Linux # # CONFIG_VIDEO_DEV is not set # CONFIG_DTLK is not set # # Ftape, the floppy tape device driver # # CONFIG_FTAPE is not set # # USB support # # CONFIG_USB is not set # # Filesystems # CONFIG_QUOTA=y CONFIG_AUTOFS_FS=m # CONFIG_ADFS_FS is not set # CONFIG_AFFS_FS is not set # CONFIG_HFS_FS is not set CONFIG_FAT_FS=y CONFIG_MSDOS_FS=y CONFIG_UMSDOS_FS=y CONFIG_VFAT_FS=y CONFIG_ISO9660_FS=y CONFIG_JOLIET=y CONFIG_MINIX_FS=m CONFIG_NTFS_FS=m CONFIG_NTFS_RW=y CONFIG_HPFS_FS=m CONFIG_PROC_FS=y CONFIG_DEVPTS_FS=y # CONFIG_QNX4FS_FS is not set # CONFIG_ROMFS_FS is not set CONFIG_EXT2_FS=y CONFIG_SYSV_FS=m CONFIG_UFS_FS=m # CONFIG_UFS_FS_WRITE is not set # CONFIG_EFS_FS is not set # # Network File Systems # CONFIG_CODA_FS=m CONFIG_NFS_FS=m CONFIG_NFS_V3=y CONFIG_NFSD=m # CONFIG_NFSD_V3 is not set # CONFIG_NFSD_TCP is not set CONFIG_SUNRPC=m CONFIG_LOCKD=m CONFIG_SMB_FS=y CONFIG_SMB_NLS_DEFAULT=y CONFIG_SMB_NLS_REMOTE="cp437" CONFIG_NCP_FS=m # CONFIG_NCPFS_PACKET_SIGNING is not set # CONFIG_NCPFS_IOCTL_LOCKING is not set # CONFIG_NCPFS_STRONG is not set # CONFIG_NCPFS_NFS_NS is not set CONFIG_NCPFS_OS2_NS=y # CONFIG_NCPFS_SMALLDOS is not set CONFIG_NCPFS_MOUNT_SUBDIR=y CONFIG_NCPFS_NLS=y CONFIG_NCPFS_EXTRAS=y # # Partition Types # # CONFIG_BSD_DISKLABEL is not set # CONFIG_MAC_PARTITION is not set # CONFIG_MINIX_SUBPARTITION is not set # CONFIG_SMD_DISKLABEL is not set # CONFIG_SOLARIS_X86_PARTITION is not set # CONFIG_UNIXWARE_DISKLABEL is not set CONFIG_NLS=y # # Native Language Support # CONFIG_NLS_DEFAULT="cp437" CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_437=y # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_737 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_775 is not set CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_850=y # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_852 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_855 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_857 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_860 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_861 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_862 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_863 is not set CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_864=y # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_865 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_866 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_869 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_874 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_932 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_936 is not set CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_949=y CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_950=m CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_1=y # CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_2 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_3 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_4 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_5 is not set CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_6=m # CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_7 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_8 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_9 is not set CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_14=m CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_15=m CONFIG_NLS_KOI8_R=m CONFIG_NLS_KOI8_RU=m # # Console drivers # CONFIG_VGA_CONSOLE=y CONFIG_VIDEO_SELECT=y # CONFIG_MDA_CONSOLE is not set # CONFIG_FB is not set # # Sound # CONFIG_SOUND=m CONFIG_SOUND_CMPCI=m CONFIG_SOUND_CMPCI_FM=y CONFIG_SOUND_CMPCI_MIDI=y CONFIG_SOUND_CS4281=m CONFIG_SOUND_FUSION=m CONFIG_SOUND_EMU10K1=m CONFIG_SOUND_ES1370=m CONFIG_SOUND_ES1371=m CONFIG_SOUND_MAESTRO=m CONFIG_SOUND_MAESTRO3=m CONFIG_SOUND_ESSSOLO1=m CONFIG_SOUND_ICH=m CONFIG_SOUND_SONICVIBES=m CONFIG_SOUND_TRIDENT=m # CONFIG_SOUND_MSNDCLAS is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_MSNDPIN is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_VIA82CXXX is not set CONFIG_SOUND_OSS=m # CONFIG_SOUND_PAS is not set CONFIG_SOUND_SB=m CONFIG_SOUND_GUS=m # CONFIG_GUS16 is not set # CONFIG_GUSMAX is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_MPU401 is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_PSS is not set CONFIG_SOUND_MSS=m CONFIG_SOUND_SSCAPE=m # CONFIG_SOUND_TRIX is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_MAD16 is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_WAVEFRONT is not set CONFIG_SOUND_CS4232=m CONFIG_SOUND_OPL3SA2=m # CONFIG_SOUND_MAUI is not set CONFIG_SOUND_SGALAXY=m # CONFIG_SOUND_AD1816 is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_OPL3SA1 is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_SOFTOSS is not set CONFIG_SOUND_YM3812=m CONFIG_SOUND_VMIDI=m CONFIG_SOUND_UART6850=m CONFIG_SOUND_NM256=m CONFIG_SOUND_YMFPCI=m CONFIG_SOUND_YMFPCI_LEGACY=y # # Additional low level sound drivers # # CONFIG_LOWLEVEL_SOUND is not set # # Kernel hacking # # CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ is not set From PMelson@sequoianet.com Wed Feb 12 18:31:09 2003 From: PMelson@sequoianet.com (Melson, Paul) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:31:09 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] advice Message-ID: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E54FDF57@lansingemail.seqnt.com> New Horizons on Eyde Pkwy (Hagadorn just north of Mt. Hope) administers A+, LPI, and every other CBT under the sun. I have one complaint about them, though. The test center has multiple test stations in one tiny room. When I went in January to take the IBM AIX5 support exam, I was packed in there with two other ppl. (To boot, this one girl had a hacking cough that wouldn't stop.) But the staff were great and there's plenty of parking. Otherwise only good experiences. PaulM -----Original Message----- From: Wald [mailto:pdwald@netzero.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 1:00 PM To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu Subject: [GLLUG] advice First and foremost, I whole-heartedly apologize for the fact that I have posted messages in this forum some time ago and due to reasons beyond my control wasn't available to give any feedback. At the same time, I would like to thank all of you who sent me nice emails in reply to my inquiries. At the moment I am stranded on win32 whenever I am using the internet, given the the fact that I am using netzero. I was looking for a cheap, reliable and resourceful (with space to host hp via ftp, etc) ISP, and since then I am assessing the possibility of use ispwest. Any suggestion would be very appreciated. On another point, I am looking for a test center where I can attend the LPI tests, and eventually the A+, and Network+. At the present time I am residing in East Lansing, so I am looking for some place close. If anyone know of such a place, would be very helpful. -- Pedro Wald _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user@egr.msu.edu http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From nalkunda@egr.msu.edu Wed Feb 12 19:33:58 2003 From: nalkunda@egr.msu.edu (N N Ashok) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:33:58 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] ipchains In-Reply-To: References: <200302121315.48996.nalkunda@cse.msu.edu> Message-ID: <200302121433.58202.nalkunda@egr.msu.edu> Hi, I see that following options have not been set: # CONFIG_IP_ADVANCED_ROUTER is not set # CONFIG_IP_ROUTER is not set I think that would have prevented the kernel from creating file /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward. I would suggest enabling the CONFIG_IP_ROUTER atleast (the ADVANCED_ROUTER is for more detailed control over the routing like multipath selection etc). Let me know how it goes. Thanks, Ashok On Wednesday 12 February 2003 13:30, you wrote: > On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, N N Ashok wrote: > > Could you post the .config file for your kernel? That might help in > > locating if you missed something during compilation. > > Sure: > > # > # Automatically generated by make menuconfig: don't edit > # > CONFIG_X86=y > > # > # Code maturity level options > # > CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y > > # > # Processor type and features > # > # CONFIG_M386 is not set > # CONFIG_M486 is not set > CONFIG_M586=y > # CONFIG_M586TSC is not set > # CONFIG_M686 is not set > CONFIG_X86_WP_WORKS_OK=y > CONFIG_X86_INVLPG=y > CONFIG_X86_BSWAP=y > CONFIG_X86_POPAD_OK=y > # CONFIG_MICROCODE is not set > CONFIG_X86_MSR=y > CONFIG_X86_CPUID=y > CONFIG_1GB=y > # CONFIG_2GB is not set > # CONFIG_MATH_EMULATION is not set > # CONFIG_MTRR is not set > # CONFIG_SMP is not set > > # > # Loadable module support > # > CONFIG_MODULES=y > CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=y > # CONFIG_KMOD is not set > > # > # General setup > # > CONFIG_NET=y > CONFIG_PCI=y > # CONFIG_PCI_GOBIOS is not set > # CONFIG_PCI_GODIRECT is not set > CONFIG_PCI_GOANY=y > CONFIG_PCI_BIOS=y > CONFIG_PCI_DIRECT=y > CONFIG_PCI_QUIRKS=y > # CONFIG_PCI_OPTIMIZE is not set > CONFIG_PCI_OLD_PROC=y > # CONFIG_MCA is not set > # CONFIG_VISWS is not set > CONFIG_SYSVIPC=y > CONFIG_BSD_PROCESS_ACCT=y > # CONFIG_SYSCTL is not set > CONFIG_BINFMT_AOUT=y > CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF=y > CONFIG_BINFMT_MISC=y > # CONFIG_BINFMT_JAVA is not set > CONFIG_PARPORT=y > CONFIG_PARPORT_PC=y > # CONFIG_PARPORT_OTHER is not set > # CONFIG_APM is not set > # CONFIG_TOSHIBA is not set > > # > # Plug and Play support > # > CONFIG_PNP=y > # CONFIG_PNP_PARPORT is not set > > # > # Block devices > # > CONFIG_BLK_DEV_FD=y > CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE=y > # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD_IDE is not set > CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK=y > CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECD=y > CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDETAPE=y > CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEFLOPPY=y > # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI is not set > CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD640=y > # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD640_ENHANCED is not set > CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RZ1000=y > CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEPCI=y > CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA=y > # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_OFFBOARD is not set > CONFIG_IDEDMA_AUTO=y > # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_OPTI621 is not set > # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_ALI15X3 is not set > # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_TRM290 is not set > # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_NS87415 is not set > # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_VIA82C586 is not set > # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD646 is not set > # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CS5530 is not set > # CONFIG_IDE_CHIPSETS is not set > CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=m > # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_NBD is not set > # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_MD is not set > # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM is not set > # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_XD is not set > # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_DAC960 is not set > CONFIG_PARIDE_PARPORT=y > # CONFIG_PARIDE is not set > # CONFIG_BLK_CPQ_DA is not set > # CONFIG_BLK_CPQ_CISS_DA is not set > # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD is not set > > # > # Networking options > # > CONFIG_PACKET=y > # CONFIG_NETLINK is not set > CONFIG_FIREWALL=y > # CONFIG_FILTER is not set > CONFIG_UNIX=y > CONFIG_INET=y > # CONFIG_IP_MULTICAST is not set > # CONFIG_IP_ADVANCED_ROUTER is not set > # CONFIG_IP_PNP is not set > CONFIG_IP_FIREWALL=y > CONFIG_IP_TRANSPARENT_PROXY=y > CONFIG_IP_MASQUERADE=y > CONFIG_IP_MASQUERADE_ICMP=y > CONFIG_IP_MASQUERADE_MOD=y > CONFIG_IP_MASQUERADE_IPAUTOFW=y > CONFIG_IP_MASQUERADE_IPPORTFW=y > CONFIG_IP_MASQUERADE_MFW=y > # CONFIG_IP_ROUTER is not set > CONFIG_NET_IPIP=m > CONFIG_NET_IPGRE=m > CONFIG_IP_ALIAS=y > CONFIG_SYN_COOKIES=y > CONFIG_INET_RARP=m > CONFIG_SKB_LARGE=y > CONFIG_IPV6=m > CONFIG_IPV6_EUI64=y > CONFIG_IPV6_NO_PB=y > CONFIG_IPX=m > CONFIG_IPX_INTERN=y > CONFIG_SPX=m > CONFIG_ATALK=m > CONFIG_X25=m > CONFIG_LAPB=m > CONFIG_BRIDGE=y > CONFIG_BRIDGE_NUM_PORTS=8 > # CONFIG_NET_DIVERT is not set > # CONFIG_LLC is not set > # CONFIG_ECONET is not set > # CONFIG_WAN_ROUTER is not set > # CONFIG_NET_FASTROUTE is not set > # CONFIG_NET_HW_FLOWCONTROL is not set > # CONFIG_CPU_IS_SLOW is not set > > # > # QoS and/or fair queueing > # > # CONFIG_NET_SCHED is not set > > # > # Telephony Support > # > # CONFIG_PHONE is not set > # CONFIG_PHONE_IXJ is not set > > # > # SCSI support > # > # CONFIG_SCSI is not set > > # > # I2O device support > # > # CONFIG_I2O is not set > # CONFIG_I2O_PCI is not set > # CONFIG_I2O_BLOCK is not set > # CONFIG_I2O_SCSI is not set > > # > # Network device support > # > CONFIG_NETDEVICES=y > > # > # ARCnet devices > # > # CONFIG_ARCNET is not set > CONFIG_DUMMY=m > CONFIG_BONDING=m > CONFIG_EQUALIZER=m > # CONFIG_NET_SB1000 is not set > > # > # Ethernet (10 or 100Mbit) > # > CONFIG_NET_ETHERNET=y > # CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_3COM is not set > # CONFIG_LANCE is not set > CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_SMC=y > # CONFIG_WD80x3 is not set > # CONFIG_ULTRA is not set > # CONFIG_ULTRA32 is not set > # CONFIG_SMC9194 is not set > # CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_RACAL is not set > CONFIG_RTL8139=y > # CONFIG_RTL8139TOO is not set > CONFIG_NET_ISA=y > # CONFIG_AT1700 is not set > # CONFIG_E2100 is not set > # CONFIG_DEPCA is not set > # CONFIG_EWRK3 is not set > # CONFIG_EEXPRESS is not set > # CONFIG_EEXPRESS_PRO is not set > # CONFIG_FMV18X is not set > # CONFIG_HPLAN_PLUS is not set > # CONFIG_HPLAN is not set > # CONFIG_HP100 is not set > # CONFIG_ETH16I is not set > CONFIG_NE2000=y > # CONFIG_SEEQ8005 is not set > # CONFIG_SK_G16 is not set > CONFIG_NET_EISA=y > # CONFIG_PCNET32 is not set > # CONFIG_ADAPTEC_STARFIRE is not set > # CONFIG_AC3200 is not set > # CONFIG_APRICOT is not set > # CONFIG_LP486E is not set > # CONFIG_CS89x0 is not set > # CONFIG_DM9102 is not set > # CONFIG_DE4X5 is not set > # CONFIG_DEC_ELCP is not set > # CONFIG_DEC_ELCP_OLD is not set > # CONFIG_DGRS is not set > CONFIG_EEXPRESS_PRO100=y > # CONFIG_LNE390 is not set > # CONFIG_NE3210 is not set > CONFIG_NE2K_PCI=m > # CONFIG_TLAN is not set > # CONFIG_VIA_RHINE is not set > # CONFIG_SIS900 is not set > # CONFIG_ES3210 is not set > # CONFIG_EPIC100 is not set > # CONFIG_ZNET is not set > # CONFIG_NET_POCKET is not set > > # > # Ethernet (1000 Mbit) > # > # CONFIG_ACENIC is not set > # CONFIG_HAMACHI is not set > # CONFIG_YELLOWFIN is not set > # CONFIG_SK98LIN is not set > # CONFIG_FDDI is not set > # CONFIG_HIPPI is not set > > # > # Appletalk devices > # > # CONFIG_LTPC is not set > # CONFIG_COPS is not set > # CONFIG_IPDDP is not set > CONFIG_PLIP=m > CONFIG_PPP=y > CONFIG_SLIP=m > # CONFIG_SLIP_COMPRESSED is not set > # CONFIG_SLIP_SMART is not set > # CONFIG_SLIP_MODE_SLIP6 is not set > # CONFIG_NET_RADIO is not set > > # > # Token ring devices > # > # CONFIG_TR is not set > # CONFIG_NET_FC is not set > # CONFIG_RCPCI is not set > # CONFIG_SHAPER is not set > > # > # Wan interfaces > # > # CONFIG_HOSTESS_SV11 is not set > # CONFIG_COSA is not set > # CONFIG_SEALEVEL_4021 is not set > # CONFIG_SYNCLINK_SYNCPPP is not set > # CONFIG_FARSYNC is not set > # CONFIG_LANMEDIA is not set > # CONFIG_COMX is not set > # CONFIG_HDLC is not set > # CONFIG_DLCI is not set > # CONFIG_XPEED is not set > # CONFIG_LAPBETHER is not set > # CONFIG_X25_ASY is not set > # CONFIG_SBNI is not set > > # > # Amateur Radio support > # > # CONFIG_HAMRADIO is not set > > # > # IrDA (infrared) support > # > # CONFIG_IRDA is not set > > # > # ISDN subsystem > # > # CONFIG_ISDN is not set > > # > # Old CD-ROM drivers (not SCSI, not IDE) > # > # CONFIG_CD_NO_IDESCSI is not set > > # > # Character devices > # > CONFIG_VT=y > CONFIG_VT_CONSOLE=y > CONFIG_SERIAL=y > # CONFIG_SERIAL_CONSOLE is not set > # CONFIG_SERIAL_EXTENDED is not set > # CONFIG_SERIAL_NONSTANDARD is not set > CONFIG_UNIX98_PTYS=y > CONFIG_UNIX98_PTY_COUNT=256 > CONFIG_PRINTER=y > CONFIG_PRINTER_READBACK=y > CONFIG_MOUSE=y > > # > # Mice > # > # CONFIG_ATIXL_BUSMOUSE is not set > # CONFIG_BUSMOUSE is not set > # CONFIG_MS_BUSMOUSE is not set > CONFIG_PSMOUSE=y > # CONFIG_82C710_MOUSE is not set > # CONFIG_PC110_PAD is not set > > # > # Joysticks > # > # CONFIG_JOYSTICK is not set > # CONFIG_QIC02_TAPE is not set > # CONFIG_WATCHDOG is not set > # CONFIG_NVRAM is not set > # CONFIG_RTC is not set > # CONFIG_INTEL_RNG is not set > # CONFIG_AGP is not set > # CONFIG_DRM is not set > > # > # Video For Linux > # > # CONFIG_VIDEO_DEV is not set > # CONFIG_DTLK is not set > > # > # Ftape, the floppy tape device driver > # > # CONFIG_FTAPE is not set > > # > # USB support > # > # CONFIG_USB is not set > > # > # Filesystems > # > CONFIG_QUOTA=y > CONFIG_AUTOFS_FS=m > # CONFIG_ADFS_FS is not set > # CONFIG_AFFS_FS is not set > # CONFIG_HFS_FS is not set > CONFIG_FAT_FS=y > CONFIG_MSDOS_FS=y > CONFIG_UMSDOS_FS=y > CONFIG_VFAT_FS=y > CONFIG_ISO9660_FS=y > CONFIG_JOLIET=y > CONFIG_MINIX_FS=m > CONFIG_NTFS_FS=m > CONFIG_NTFS_RW=y > CONFIG_HPFS_FS=m > CONFIG_PROC_FS=y > CONFIG_DEVPTS_FS=y > # CONFIG_QNX4FS_FS is not set > # CONFIG_ROMFS_FS is not set > CONFIG_EXT2_FS=y > CONFIG_SYSV_FS=m > CONFIG_UFS_FS=m > # CONFIG_UFS_FS_WRITE is not set > # CONFIG_EFS_FS is not set > > # > # Network File Systems > # > CONFIG_CODA_FS=m > CONFIG_NFS_FS=m > CONFIG_NFS_V3=y > CONFIG_NFSD=m > # CONFIG_NFSD_V3 is not set > # CONFIG_NFSD_TCP is not set > CONFIG_SUNRPC=m > CONFIG_LOCKD=m > CONFIG_SMB_FS=y > CONFIG_SMB_NLS_DEFAULT=y > CONFIG_SMB_NLS_REMOTE="cp437" > CONFIG_NCP_FS=m > # CONFIG_NCPFS_PACKET_SIGNING is not set > # CONFIG_NCPFS_IOCTL_LOCKING is not set > # CONFIG_NCPFS_STRONG is not set > # CONFIG_NCPFS_NFS_NS is not set > CONFIG_NCPFS_OS2_NS=y > # CONFIG_NCPFS_SMALLDOS is not set > CONFIG_NCPFS_MOUNT_SUBDIR=y > CONFIG_NCPFS_NLS=y > CONFIG_NCPFS_EXTRAS=y > > # > # Partition Types > # > # CONFIG_BSD_DISKLABEL is not set > # CONFIG_MAC_PARTITION is not set > # CONFIG_MINIX_SUBPARTITION is not set > # CONFIG_SMD_DISKLABEL is not set > # CONFIG_SOLARIS_X86_PARTITION is not set > # CONFIG_UNIXWARE_DISKLABEL is not set > CONFIG_NLS=y > > # > # Native Language Support > # > CONFIG_NLS_DEFAULT="cp437" > CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_437=y > # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_737 is not set > # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_775 is not set > CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_850=y > # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_852 is not set > # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_855 is not set > # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_857 is not set > # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_860 is not set > # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_861 is not set > # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_862 is not set > # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_863 is not set > CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_864=y > # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_865 is not set > # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_866 is not set > # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_869 is not set > # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_874 is not set > # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_932 is not set > # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_936 is not set > CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_949=y > CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_950=m > CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_1=y > # CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_2 is not set > # CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_3 is not set > # CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_4 is not set > # CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_5 is not set > CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_6=m > # CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_7 is not set > # CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_8 is not set > # CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_9 is not set > CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_14=m > CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_15=m > CONFIG_NLS_KOI8_R=m > CONFIG_NLS_KOI8_RU=m > > # > # Console drivers > # > CONFIG_VGA_CONSOLE=y > CONFIG_VIDEO_SELECT=y > # CONFIG_MDA_CONSOLE is not set > # CONFIG_FB is not set > > # > # Sound > # > CONFIG_SOUND=m > CONFIG_SOUND_CMPCI=m > CONFIG_SOUND_CMPCI_FM=y > CONFIG_SOUND_CMPCI_MIDI=y > CONFIG_SOUND_CS4281=m > CONFIG_SOUND_FUSION=m > CONFIG_SOUND_EMU10K1=m > CONFIG_SOUND_ES1370=m > CONFIG_SOUND_ES1371=m > CONFIG_SOUND_MAESTRO=m > CONFIG_SOUND_MAESTRO3=m > CONFIG_SOUND_ESSSOLO1=m > CONFIG_SOUND_ICH=m > CONFIG_SOUND_SONICVIBES=m > CONFIG_SOUND_TRIDENT=m > # CONFIG_SOUND_MSNDCLAS is not set > # CONFIG_SOUND_MSNDPIN is not set > # CONFIG_SOUND_VIA82CXXX is not set > CONFIG_SOUND_OSS=m > # CONFIG_SOUND_PAS is not set > CONFIG_SOUND_SB=m > CONFIG_SOUND_GUS=m > # CONFIG_GUS16 is not set > # CONFIG_GUSMAX is not set > # CONFIG_SOUND_MPU401 is not set > # CONFIG_SOUND_PSS is not set > CONFIG_SOUND_MSS=m > CONFIG_SOUND_SSCAPE=m > # CONFIG_SOUND_TRIX is not set > # CONFIG_SOUND_MAD16 is not set > # CONFIG_SOUND_WAVEFRONT is not set > CONFIG_SOUND_CS4232=m > CONFIG_SOUND_OPL3SA2=m > # CONFIG_SOUND_MAUI is not set > CONFIG_SOUND_SGALAXY=m > # CONFIG_SOUND_AD1816 is not set > # CONFIG_SOUND_OPL3SA1 is not set > # CONFIG_SOUND_SOFTOSS is not set > CONFIG_SOUND_YM3812=m > CONFIG_SOUND_VMIDI=m > CONFIG_SOUND_UART6850=m > CONFIG_SOUND_NM256=m > CONFIG_SOUND_YMFPCI=m > CONFIG_SOUND_YMFPCI_LEGACY=y > > # > # Additional low level sound drivers > # > # CONFIG_LOWLEVEL_SOUND is not set > > # > # Kernel hacking > # > # CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ is not set From wattersm@wattersm.net Wed Feb 12 19:39:39 2003 From: wattersm@wattersm.net (Michael T.Watters II) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:39:39 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguincon at Warren, MI In-Reply-To: <9ADF6F1B8F159448A143DC39FBA9F1EC01B78D6F@mail.lib.msu.edu> References: <9ADF6F1B8F159448A143DC39FBA9F1EC01B78D6F@mail.lib.msu.edu> Message-ID: <20030212143939.42f54b05.wattersm@wattersm.net> I'd definitely be interested in going. Looks like a good speaker list. On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:11:40 -0500 "Junus, Ranti" wrote: > http://penguicon.sourceforge.net/ From wattersm@wattersm.net Wed Feb 12 19:41:08 2003 From: wattersm@wattersm.net (Michael T.Watters II) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:41:08 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] advice In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030212123650.00cf59a0@pop.netzero.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030212123650.00cf59a0@pop.netzero.com> Message-ID: <20030212144108.4dee82be.wattersm@wattersm.net> New Horizons in East Lansing offers all of the Comptia tests. When you register for the test online, you can pick them as one of the test centers. Also, an ISP you may want to check out is ACDNet, it's 9.95 a month for dial-up access. From nalkunda@cse.msu.edu Wed Feb 12 18:15:48 2003 From: nalkunda@cse.msu.edu (N N Ashok) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:15:48 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] ipchains In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200302121315.48996.nalkunda@cse.msu.edu> On Wednesday 12 February 2003 12:57, Benjamin Minshall wrote: > I'm not sure about this particular problem, but it's gotta have something > to do with that custom kernel. Do you need custom for a particular reason? > The packaged kernels in debian are quite complete (including masquerading > and all sorts of other networking goodies in modules). I haven't compiled > a kernel in a while, but I think there's a specific option for "IP > Forwarding" in addition to "IP Masquerading" and seperate from any of the > "/proc" stuff. > > Did you compile any of the networking components in modules, and if so are > they loaded properly? > > Good luck, > -Ben > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: linux-user-admin@egr.msu.edu > > [mailto:linux-user-admin@egr.msu.edu]On Behalf Of David Lee Lambert > > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 2:48 PM > > To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu > > Subject: [GLLUG] ipchains > > > > > > I used to use my Linux box for masquerading ssh/https/etc connections > > from the LAN it's attached to, but over the Christmas break the boot > > hard-drive crashed so I installed a newer version of Debian and it came > > with a 2.2 series kernel. Later I compiled a custom kernel including IP > > masquerading support, but when I try it out nothing happens. I can run > > ipchains and add all sorts of masquerading rules to the routing tables, > > but my Windows boxes still time out when I try to do TCP or ping to the > > Internet. > > > > The only thing I can think of is related to a note that I find in the > > HOWTOs and in the help for the 'IP masquerading' in the > > > > kernel-configuration: > > > The IP masquerading code will only work if IP forwarding is enabled > > > in your kernel; you can do this by saying Y to "/proc > > > filesystem support" and "Sysctl support" below and then executing a > > > line like > > > > > > echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward > > > > > > from a boot time script after the /proc filesystem has been mounted. > > > > When I try doing this, I get a 'file not found' error. I do have a > > /proc filesystem, and the option '/proc filesystem' is enabled in the > > kernel configuration (under the section Filesystems); is there another > > option elsewhere I should know about? > > > > -- > > DLL > > http://www.cse.msu.edu/~lamber45/ > > _______________________________________________ > > linux-user mailing list > > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user Could you post the .config file for your kernel? That might help in locating if you missed something during compilation. Thanks, Ashok From dincht@securenym.net Wed Feb 12 20:05:10 2003 From: dincht@securenym.net (C. Ulrich) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:05:10 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] advice In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030212123650.00cf59a0@pop.netzero.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030212123650.00cf59a0@pop.netzero.com> Message-ID: <200302122012.h1CKCg708798@anon.securenym.net> Wald wrote: > At the moment I am stranded on win32 whenever I am using the internet, > given > the the fact that I am using netzero. I was looking for a cheap, > reliable and > resourceful (with space to host hp via ftp, etc) ISP, and since then I am > assessing the possibility of use ispwest. Any suggestion would be very > appreciated. For $10 a month, I go with a Saginaw-based company called DiamondCS. The price is right and they've been nothing but reliable. 3 Email addresses come with the account as well as 3MB web space. (I personally don't use either of the latter since my email is a through a dedicated email provider and my webspace was gotten through a friend-of-a-friend type deal.) And if it makes any difference, their news server rocks. :) Even in comparison to Easynews et al. Be wary of any company that outsources their dialup customers to other companies. I got burned with this when going through Speakeasy dialup. Turns out the company they go through ("popsite" is the name, I think) is banned by half the internet! --Charles Ulrich -- http://www.bityard.net From dincht@securenym.net Wed Feb 12 20:15:16 2003 From: dincht@securenym.net (C. Ulrich) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:15:16 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguincon at Warren, MI In-Reply-To: <9ADF6F1B8F159448A143DC39FBA9F1EC01B78D6F@mail.lib.msu.edu> References: <9ADF6F1B8F159448A143DC39FBA9F1EC01B78D6F@mail.lib.msu.edu> Message-ID: <200302122023.h1CKN7G11796@anon.securenym.net> Junus, Ranti wrote: > Hi All, > > Is anybody aware of this Penguincon conference at Warren, MI (May 2-3)? > According to their web site http://penguicon.sourceforge.net/, "Penguicon is a combination Science Fiction Convention and Linux Expo, doing the whole 'you got peanut butter in my chocolate' thing." > > Looking at the list of speakers, this looks like an interesting event to go to. Is there any interest to go there as a group? Woah. Surprised I hadn't heard of this yet. I know my fiancee has this weekend booked for us to visit the folks or something, I guess I ought to start working on a decent bribe... --Charles Ulrich -- http://www.bityard.net From djf2@danu.ili.net Wed Feb 12 21:22:09 2003 From: djf2@danu.ili.net (djf2) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:22:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] ipchains In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, David Lee Lambert wrote: > > The IP masquerading code will only work if IP forwarding is enabled > > in your kernel; you can do this by saying Y to "/proc > > filesystem support" and "Sysctl support" below and then executing a > > line like > > > > echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward > > > > from a boot time script after the /proc filesystem has been mounted. > > When I try doing this, I get a 'file not found' error. I do have a /proc > filesystem, and the option '/proc filesystem' is enabled in the kernel > configuration (under the section Filesystems); is there another option > elsewhere I should know about? > You should also be able to find this info out through sysctl : [root@]# /sbin/sysctl -A net.ipv4 | grep forward net.ipv4.conf.eth0.mc_forwarding = 0 net.ipv4.conf.eth0.forwarding = 0 net.ipv4.conf.lo.mc_forwarding = 0 net.ipv4.conf.lo.forwarding = 0 net.ipv4.conf.default.mc_forwarding = 0 net.ipv4.conf.default.forwarding = 0 net.ipv4.conf.all.mc_forwarding = 0 net.ipv4.conf.all.forwarding = 0 net.ipv4.ip_forward = 0 Sysctl acted a bit weird on one of the machines I tried this on, a 2.4 series machine, so I had to grep for 'net.ipv4' and then grep for 'forward'. However, the variables are still the same. I haven't worked with linux based firwalls/nats in awhile, but my guess would be if you change net.ipv4.ip_forward or net.ipv4.conf.all.forwarding to 1 it'd have the effect you're looking for. If you see values of 0 for these you probably dont have forwarding enabled. I believe you can have changes to variables set at boot time using /etc/sysctl.conf. Oddly, on the BSD machines that I herd, there's only one variable to enable forwarding...does anyone know why this is? My only guess was that linux wants you to make changes like this in /proc, but all these same variables are in /proc as well. Anyways, HTH. -- "Is that sound you're hearing the trumpeting of St. Peter's angels or the screams of Memnoch's tortured souls?" Don Flynn djf2@ili.net Sayge@IRC From c.tower@express56.com Thu Feb 13 02:48:22 2003 From: c.tower@express56.com (c.tower@express56.com) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:48:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Re: advice In-Reply-To: <20030212193403.1077.93052.Mailman@jeeves> References: <20030212193403.1077.93052.Mailman@jeeves> Message-ID: <1100.66.19.17.21.1045104502.expressmail@www.express56.com> > Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:00:14 -0500 > From: Wald > Subject: [GLLUG] advice > > ... > At the moment I am stranded on win32 whenever I am using the internet, given > the the fact that I am using netzero. I was looking for a cheap, reliable and > resourceful (with space to host hp via ftp, etc) ISP, and since then I am > assessing the possibility of use ispwest. Any suggestion would be very > appreciated. > .... > -- > Pedro Wald Since this question seems to come up a lot here, perhaps several readers will find this site useful -- http://www.webhostmagazine.com PC World magazine says it has a buyer's guide for hosting companies, although I haven't checked it out myself. Chick ---------------------------------------------- Unlimited Internet access at only $9.95/month. http://www.EXPRESS56.COM/?refsource=webmail From gllug@gllug.org Thu Feb 13 05:05:03 2003 From: gllug@gllug.org (GLLUG.org Calendar Notification) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 00:05:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] REMINDER - Feb. 13, 2003 Meeting Message-ID: <200302130505.h1D553G48784@idealso.com> This is an automated reminder from the GLLUG.org calendar for the following event: TITLE: Feb. 13, 2003 Meeting DESCRIPTION: There is currently no specific topic for this meeting. If you would like to suggest a topic or make a presentation, post a message to the mailing list to let everyone know. LOCATION: Atmosphere Annealing (http://www.gllug.org/mod.php?mod=calendar&op=list_events&loc_id=1) DATE/TIME: Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 6:00PM For more information, see the Greater Lansing Linux Users Group website at http://www.gllug.org. From Jesse Godsey" Message-ID: <000b01c2d357$c55c2100$6408a8c0@MicroHome> Where is the location of this meeting for new comers??? Directions... Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "GLLUG.org Calendar Notification" To: Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 12:05 AM Subject: [GLLUG] REMINDER - Feb. 13, 2003 Meeting > This is an automated reminder from the GLLUG.org calendar for the following event: > > TITLE: Feb. 13, 2003 Meeting > > DESCRIPTION: There is currently no specific topic for this meeting. If you would like to suggest a topic or make a presentation, post a message to the mailing list to let everyone know. > > LOCATION: Atmosphere Annealing (http://www.gllug.org/mod.php?mod=calendar&op=list_events&loc_id=1) > > DATE/TIME: Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 6:00PM > > > For more information, see the Greater Lansing Linux Users Group website at http://www.gllug.org. > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From brad@mtsdev.com Thu Feb 13 14:01:25 2003 From: brad@mtsdev.com (Brad Fears) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:01:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] REMINDER - Feb. 13, 2003 Meeting In-Reply-To: <000b01c2d357$c55c2100$6408a8c0@MicroHome> References: <200302130505.h1D553G48784@idealso.com> <000b01c2d357$c55c2100$6408a8c0@MicroHome> Message-ID: <43528.162.108.2.221.1045144885.squirrel@mail.mtsdev.com> There was a link to the website included in the reminder which contains directions to Atmosphere Annealing. Here it is again: http://www.gllug.org/mod.php?mod=calendar&op=list_events&loc_id=1 --Brad Fears Jesse Godsey said: > Where is the location of this meeting for new comers??? > > Directions... > > Thanks. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "GLLUG.org Calendar Notification" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 12:05 AM > Subject: [GLLUG] REMINDER - Feb. 13, 2003 Meeting > > >> This is an automated reminder from the GLLUG.org calendar for the > following event: >> >> TITLE: Feb. 13, 2003 Meeting >> >> DESCRIPTION: There is currently no specific topic for this meeting. >> If > you would like to suggest a topic or make a presentation, post a message > to the mailing list to let everyone know. >> >> LOCATION: Atmosphere Annealing > (http://www.gllug.org/mod.php?mod=calendar&op=list_events&loc_id=1) >> >> DATE/TIME: Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 6:00PM >> >> >> For more information, see the Greater Lansing Linux Users Group >> website at > http://www.gllug.org. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user@egr.msu.edu >> http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From lamber45@egr.msu.edu Fri Feb 14 04:32:26 2003 From: lamber45@egr.msu.edu (David Lee Lambert) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:32:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] ipchains In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, djf2 wrote: > On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, David Lee Lambert wrote: > > > > The IP masquerading code will only work if IP forwarding is enabled > > > in your kernel; you can do this by saying Y to "/proc > > > filesystem support" and "Sysctl support" below and then executing a > > > line like > > > > > > echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward > > > > > > from a boot time script after the /proc filesystem has been mounted. > > > > When I try doing this, I get a 'file not found' error. I do have a /proc > > filesystem, and the option '/proc filesystem' is enabled in the kernel > > configuration (under the section Filesystems); is there another option > > elsewhere I should know about? > > You should also be able to find this info out through sysctl : > > [root@]# /sbin/sysctl -A net.ipv4 | grep forward I get: error: unable to open directory '/proc/sys' Sure enough, there is no such beast, although I do have a lot of other stuff under /proc. -- DLL http://www.cse.msu.edu/~lamber45/ From fuerstma@pilot.msu.edu Fri Feb 14 19:05:55 2003 From: fuerstma@pilot.msu.edu (Matthew Ryan Fuerst) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:05:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] DNS Help Message-ID: <200302141905.h1EJ5uu41314@pilot20.cl.msu.edu> Hi all, I am in real need of some help with my DNS setup. Little background: I have a business class DSL service through ameritech. I get 5 static IP addresses but have only really used 2 generally. My main domain name is mathosting.com, which I registered through dotster. Since I wasn't too interested in running my own DNS server I used dotsters DNS service for a reasonable $10 a year. ALl was working fine on my two machines for a year or so. Last week I left on vacation and came back to neither of my machines responding to my mathosting.com domain nor any of my subdomains. I visited dotster.com and it appeared as though my DNS Service expired from them without any warning. I renewed my DNS service and waited the requisite three days for service to be restored, changes to propogate, etc.. all that fun jazz. No luck. Strangely, one of my machines, fruitloops.mathosting.com was being properly resolved (to it's IP 65.43.130.219) but our main machine luckycharms.mathosting.com wasn't being resolved. Since that was the machine with most of our services (web, ftp, e-mail servers) that was the important one. I have been working with Dotster customer service for an answer but up until then the only response I got was "Maybe your service is expired, you should try to renew" after I detailed in my message that I had already renewed and got an odd response. I checked my DNS records and it looked appropriate. The luckycharms setup appeared correct. So on Wednesday I decided to switch my name servers over to granite canyon whom I am using for many other domains that are hosted on these same boxes (such as nerdstuff.net and jackasscritics.com). I set up my DNS info in granite canyon and told dotster my new name servers were ns1.granitecanyon.com and ns2.granitecanyon.com as opposed to the ones I paid dotster for. I have again waited my three days and gotten quite unexpected results. Once again, from my machine here at work I can resolve and ping fruitloops.mathosting.com but not luckycharms.mathosting.com! So bizarre. I have done my share of pings, nslookups and digs and everything looks kosher to me. I don't understand what I have done that is wrong, but obviously something. I have attached below my granitecanyon DNS information hoping someone can point out my flaw. Thanks so much in advance... mathosting.com. IN NS ns1.granitecanyon.com. mathosting.com. IN NS ns2.granitecanyon.com. mathosting.com. IN RP fuerstma.mathosting.com. fuerstma.mathosting.com. fuerstma.mathosting.com. IN TXT "Matt Fuerst, Telephone 2486988496" localhost.mathosting.com. IN A 127.0.0.1 luckycharms.mathosting.com. IN A 65.43.130.220 mail.mathosting.com. IN CNAME luckycharms.mathosting.com. www.mathosting.com. IN CNAME luckycharms.mathosting.com. secure.mathosting.com. IN CNAME luckycharms.mathosting.com. fruitloops.mathosting.com. IN A 65.43.130.219 mathosting.com. IN MX 10 luckycharms.mathosting.com. -- Matt Fuerst fuerstma@msu.edu Computer Guru [3~[3~http://www.nerdstuff.net From fusion812x@yahoo.com Fri Feb 14 19:36:33 2003 From: fusion812x@yahoo.com (Ross S.) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 11:36:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GLLUG] DNS Help In-Reply-To: <200302141905.h1EJ5uu41314@pilot20.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: <20030214193633.78401.qmail@web21005.mail.yahoo.com> Fyi, from my local workstation I can resolve both fine (ping and http): [fusion812@cube5 fusion812]$ nslookup fruitloops.mathosting.com Server: 64.7.161.12 Address: 64.7.161.12#53 Non-authoritative answer: Name: fruitloops.mathosting.com Address: 65.43.130.219 [fusion812@cube5 fusion812]$ nslookup luckycharms.mathosting.com Server: 64.7.161.12 Address: 64.7.161.12#53 Non-authoritative answer: Name: luckycharms.mathosting.com Address: 65.43.130.220 And both appear to be pointing to: Domain servers in listed order: NS1.GRANITECANYON.COM NS2.GRANITECANYON.COM I would give it a few more hours and it should be resolving properly for you. If it has not resoved within 24 hours, I would contact your new DNS provider (granitecanyon.com). --- Matthew Ryan Fuerst wrote: > Hi all, I am in real need of some help with my DNS > setup. > > Little background: I have a business class DSL > service through ameritech. I get > 5 static IP addresses but have only really used 2 > generally. My main domain > name is mathosting.com, which I registered through > dotster. Since I wasn't too > interested in running my own DNS server I used > dotsters DNS service for a > reasonable $10 a year. ALl was working fine on my > two machines for a year or > so. Last week I left on vacation and came back to > neither of my machines > responding to my mathosting.com domain nor any of my > subdomains. > > I visited dotster.com and it appeared as though my > DNS Service expired from > them without any warning. I renewed my DNS service > and waited the requisite > three days for service to be restored, changes to > propogate, etc.. all that fun > jazz. No luck. Strangely, one of my machines, > fruitloops.mathosting.com was > being properly resolved (to it's IP 65.43.130.219) > but our main machine > luckycharms.mathosting.com wasn't being resolved. > Since that was the machine > with most of our services (web, ftp, e-mail servers) > that was the important > one. I have been working with Dotster customer > service for an answer but up > until then the only response I got was "Maybe your > service is expired, you > should try to renew" after I detailed in my message > that I had already renewed > and got an odd response. I checked my DNS records > and it looked appropriate. > The luckycharms setup appeared correct. > > So on Wednesday I decided to switch my name servers > over to granite canyon whom > I am using for many other domains that are hosted on > these same boxes (such as > nerdstuff.net and jackasscritics.com). I set up my > DNS info in granite canyon > and told dotster my new name servers were > ns1.granitecanyon.com and > ns2.granitecanyon.com as opposed to the ones I paid > dotster for. > > I have again waited my three days and gotten quite > unexpected results. Once > again, from my machine here at work I can resolve > and ping > fruitloops.mathosting.com but not > luckycharms.mathosting.com! So bizarre. I > have done my share of pings, nslookups and digs and > everything looks kosher to > me. I don't understand what I have done that is > wrong, but obviously something. > I have attached below my granitecanyon DNS > information hoping someone can point > out my flaw. Thanks so much in advance... > > mathosting.com. IN NS ns1.granitecanyon.com. > mathosting.com. IN NS ns2.granitecanyon.com. > > mathosting.com. IN RP fuerstma.mathosting.com. > fuerstma.mathosting.com. > fuerstma.mathosting.com. IN TXT "Matt Fuerst, > Telephone 2486988496" > > localhost.mathosting.com. IN A 127.0.0.1 > > luckycharms.mathosting.com. IN A 65.43.130.220 > mail.mathosting.com. IN CNAME > luckycharms.mathosting.com. > www.mathosting.com. IN CNAME > luckycharms.mathosting.com. > secure.mathosting.com. IN CNAME > luckycharms.mathosting.com. > > fruitloops.mathosting.com. IN A 65.43.130.219 > > mathosting.com. IN MX 10 luckycharms.mathosting.com. > > -- Matt > Fuerst > > fuerstma@msu.edu > Computer Guru > [3~[3~http://www.nerdstuff.net > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user ===== Thank You, fusion812 http://ross.liquidweb.com/ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com From brad@mtsdev.com Fri Feb 14 23:35:16 2003 From: brad@mtsdev.com (Brad Fears) Date: 14 Feb 2003 18:35:16 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Meeting notes? Message-ID: <1045265717.11030.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Anyone happen to jot down any notes from last night's gllug meeting that I could post on the gllug website? How about the number in attendance? --Brad Fears From jeff@idealso.com Sat Feb 15 05:03:45 2003 From: jeff@idealso.com (Jeff Lawton) Date: 15 Feb 2003 00:03:45 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Hot Swap an ATA Hard Drive Message-ID: <1045285425.2529.5.camel@server.ltsp> I have been looking for a way to remove or add a hard drive to a running redhat 8 system and have found nothing. In freebsd I can just: sync unmount the drive atacontrol detach atacontrol attach mount the drive and away I go How do I this in Linux? -- Jeff Lawton Ideal Solution, LLC www.idealso.com 517.669.4235 From jeff@idealso.com Sat Feb 15 05:06:20 2003 From: jeff@idealso.com (Jeff Lawton) Date: 15 Feb 2003 00:06:20 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Meeting notes? In-Reply-To: <1045265717.11030.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1045265717.11030.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1045285580.2529.9.camel@server.ltsp> Yes, I took notes and will post them latter this weekend we had 11 people turn out and spent most of the meeting helping people with questions and sharing cool things we had found in different distros. On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 18:35, Brad Fears wrote: > Anyone happen to jot down any notes from last night's gllug meeting that > I could post on the gllug website? How about the number in attendance? > > --Brad Fears > > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -- Jeff Lawton Ideal Solution, LLC www.idealso.com 517.669.4235 From danceswithcrows@usa.net Sat Feb 15 05:15:30 2003 From: danceswithcrows@usa.net (Matt Graham) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 00:15:30 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Hot Swap an ATA Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <1045285425.2529.5.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1045285425.2529.5.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <200302150015.30563.danceswithcrows@usa.net> On Saturday 15 February 2003 00:03, after a long battle with technology, Jeff Lawton wrote: > I have been looking for a way to remove or add a hard drive to a > running redhat 8 system and have found nothing. In freebsd I can > just: > > sync > unmount the drive > atacontrol detach > atacontrol attach > mount the drive > and away I go > > How do I this in Linux? sync umount /dev/hdN* hdparm -U /dev/hdN (remove old drive, put in new drive) hdparm -R /dev/hdN mount /dev/hdN* IDE hot-swapping is a kludge and requires special hardware, like you find in laptops with Ultrabays or the equivalent. I assume Jeff has this stuff--remaining is just informational for the rest of the list and the archives: There are adapters (roughly $25 each) for normal IDE disks; the adapter plugs into the motherboard's IDE interface, you slide the drive into the adapter. You can't do this with vanilla IDE disks. (Well, you can try, but you'll probably hork up your system.) -- "A bird in the Senate and the GNU project long before Microsoft was a nasty slavering sound, and three of my men were swept up in its flabby claws." --MegaHAL, trained on RMS and H.P. Lovecraft There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see From danceswithcrows@usa.net Sun Feb 16 14:45:09 2003 From: danceswithcrows@usa.net (Matt Graham) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 09:45:09 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Hot Swap an ATA Hard Drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200302160945.09951.danceswithcrows@usa.net> On Saturday 15 February 2003 18:18, after a long battle with technology, aSe wrote, in a message that should've been posted to the mailing list at large: > Dances With Crows wrote: >> There are adapters (roughly $25 each) for normal IDE disks; the >> adapter plugs into the motherboard's IDE interface, you slide the >> drive into the adapter. You can't do this with vanilla IDE disks. >> (Well, you can try, but you'll probably hork up your system.) > > Really, I thought IDE wasn't able at all todo hot-swap. What do these > "adapters" actually do? They present an interface to the motherboard IDE controllers that always looks like an IDE disk of some type, since they have 2 IDE plugs on them: 1 for the motherboard IDE cable, 1 for the drive, and a little glue logic in between. When a drive isn't plugged into them, they look like a disk with 0 capacity. When a drive is plugged into them, they look like a disk with the capacity of the drive that was plugged in. The adapters are not very complex, hence their low prices. The machine's IDE subsystem is not aware that disks are getting swapped in and out because IDE was not built to handle hotswapping--that's why you have to do things with atacontrol or hdparm -RU. -- You have me mixed up with more creative ways of being stupid. --MegaHAL, trained on random gibberish There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see From picasso@madflower.com Sun Feb 16 16:00:55 2003 From: picasso@madflower.com (Sean) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 11:00:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Hot Swap an ATA Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <200302160945.09951.danceswithcrows@usa.net> Message-ID: Speaking of ide hostswap, does anyone have one of the ata -> scsi converters? It allows you to use an ata/ide device on a scsi chain. The adapters themselves are ~80 bucks. Also, did anyone order one of the Apple IDE raid boxes? It is like 2.5TB on two fibre channel raid controllers. (14x180G drives, 7 per controller) for ~$10k. Im wondering about speed, and compatibility. I am assuming it is compatible with other systems, and the speed for simultaneous multiple read/writes will be slower but im wondering by how much. Sean On Sun, 16 Feb 2003, Matt Graham wrote: > On Saturday 15 February 2003 18:18, after a long battle with technology, > aSe wrote, in a message that should've been posted to the mailing list > at large: > > Dances With Crows wrote: > >> There are adapters (roughly $25 each) for normal IDE disks; the > >> adapter plugs into the motherboard's IDE interface, you slide the > >> drive into the adapter. You can't do this with vanilla IDE disks. > >> (Well, you can try, but you'll probably hork up your system.) > > > > Really, I thought IDE wasn't able at all todo hot-swap. What do these > > "adapters" actually do? > > They present an interface to the motherboard IDE controllers that always > looks like an IDE disk of some type, since they have 2 IDE plugs on > them: 1 for the motherboard IDE cable, 1 for the drive, and a little > glue logic in between. When a drive isn't plugged into them, they look > like a disk with 0 capacity. When a drive is plugged into them, they > look like a disk with the capacity of the drive that was plugged in. > The adapters are not very complex, hence their low prices. > > The machine's IDE subsystem is not aware that disks are getting swapped > in and out because IDE was not built to handle hotswapping--that's why > you have to do things with atacontrol or hdparm -RU. > > From lamber45@egr.msu.edu Mon Feb 17 05:54:17 2003 From: lamber45@egr.msu.edu (David Lee Lambert) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 00:54:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] ipchains In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, djf2 wrote: > On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, David Lee Lambert wrote: > > > When I try doing this, I get a 'file not found' error. I do have a /proc > > filesystem, and the option '/proc filesystem' is enabled in the kernel > > You should also be able to find this info out through sysctl : I finally got this working. In another HOWTO, I found a mention of what to enable in order to get /proc/sys working, so I went back and recompiled the kernel with that enabled. (One tricky part of the process is that I've been compiling the kernel on a different system than what I use it on.) However, I still couldn't connect. It turned out that I had 'named' set up to only accept connections from localhost. I just had to change two lines and now everything works fine. Linux is cool, once its working. -- DLL http://www.cse.msu.edu/~lamber45/ From misenhe1@pilot.msu.edu Mon Feb 17 18:13:34 2003 From: misenhe1@pilot.msu.edu (Dylan M.) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:13:34 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] mozilla weirdness Message-ID: <3E51264E.4040203@pilot.msu.edu> wondering if anyone has seen this before.... it seems the mozilla (v1.2) browser (not mail client) will lock up my entire box (not even pingable). first started happening when i was running v1.3a, figured it was just alpha, and installed 1.2. seems to happen more w/root than other users. tried ripping and reinstalling the program w/no luck. haven't really found a pattern other than when i change pages, and while thats loading, hit a dropdown menu or move the window. tho thats not always the case. sometimes its just open (or shaded). i'm running slackware8.1, blackbox 0.65, kernel 2.4.20, on a machine w/1GHz Athlon, 768M RAM, so it shouldn't be resource problem. it even happens when mozilla is the only thing open in X. is there something else i'm overlooking? never freezes up when mozilla is not open, regardless of what other programs i do have open. this is a relatively new install on linux, only been up for about a month or so. i have installed quite a few different programs/libraries right around when this started happening (QT, GTK, linuxconf) tho i'm not sure that they could be effecting them. the only two plugins i have installed in mozilla is Java and Shockwave. any ideas, anyone else run into this also? i had this problem in RH7.3 and RH8 in the last year too, but not nearly as often, and windows partition doesn't have any problems (tho i dont' spend a whole lot of time in that) thanks dylan From wattersm@wattersm.net Mon Feb 17 19:18:02 2003 From: wattersm@wattersm.net (Michael T.Watters II) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 14:18:02 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] mozilla weirdness In-Reply-To: <3E51264E.4040203@pilot.msu.edu> References: <3E51264E.4040203@pilot.msu.edu> Message-ID: <20030217141802.72b0aa50.wattersm@wattersm.net> Java tends to crash mozilla a lot. Other than that I haven't had any problems with any version of mozilla. Usually you can switch to a terminal and kill -9 the process, but I have had it hard lock the system before. On Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:13:34 -0500 "Dylan M." wrote: > wondering if anyone has seen this before.... it seems the mozilla > (v1.2) browser (not mail client) will lock up my entire box (not even > pingable). first started happening when i was running v1.3a, figured it > was just alpha, and installed 1.2. seems to happen more w/root than > other users. tried ripping and reinstalling the program w/no luck. > haven't really found a pattern other than when i change pages, and > while thats loading, hit a dropdown menu or move the window. tho thats > not always the case. sometimes its just open (or shaded). > > i'm running slackware8.1, blackbox 0.65, kernel 2.4.20, on a machine > w/1GHz Athlon, 768M RAM, so it shouldn't be resource problem. it even > happens when mozilla is the only thing open in X. > > is there something else i'm overlooking? never freezes up when mozilla > is not open, regardless of what other programs i do have open. this is > a relatively new install on linux, only been up for about a month or so. > i have installed quite a few different programs/libraries right around > when this started happening (QT, GTK, linuxconf) tho i'm not sure that > they could be effecting them. the only two plugins i have installed in > mozilla is Java and Shockwave. > > any ideas, anyone else run into this also? i had this problem in RH7.3 > and RH8 in the last year too, but not nearly as often, and windows > partition doesn't have any problems (tho i dont' spend a whole lot of > time in that) > > thanks > dylan > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From dincht@securenym.net Mon Feb 17 20:17:29 2003 From: dincht@securenym.net (C. Ulrich) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:17:29 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] mozilla weirdness In-Reply-To: <3E51264E.4040203@pilot.msu.edu> References: <3E51264E.4040203@pilot.msu.edu> Message-ID: <200302172025.h1HKP4X21449@anon.securenym.net> Dylan M. wrote: > wondering if anyone has seen this before.... it seems the mozilla > (v1.2) browser (not mail client) will lock up my entire box (not even > pingable). first started happening when i was running v1.3a, figured it > was just alpha, and installed 1.2. seems to happen more w/root than > other users. tried ripping and reinstalling the program w/no luck. > haven't really found a pattern other than when i change pages, and while > thats loading, hit a dropdown menu or move the window. tho thats not > always the case. sometimes its just open (or shaded). [snip] Did you notice any odd messages on stdout/stderr? The number one thing to try is nuking your ~/.mozilla directory. *Especially* when you're going between different versions. (Be aware that you will of course lose your information if you haven't backed it up.) Java and/or javascript can sometimes be the culprits of a lockup. This is still usually a Mozilla bug, but it narrows things down quite a bit if you can tie the problem to Java, CSS, a certain page, etc. > i have installed quite a few different programs/libraries right around > when this started happening (QT, GTK, linuxconf) tho i'm not sure that > they could be effecting them. This seems like the most likely cause, since you mentioned that the freezes seem related to UI activity. On X, Mozilla relies on the GTK libraries for UI stuff and it's entirely likely that your specific GTK release contains a bug that breaks Mozilla or that it wasn't installed properly. You don't mention which version of GTK you're using, but bear in mind that Mozilla only "officially" supports GTK 1.2. GTK 1.4 usually works well also. If you have GTK 2.x, there are three options: 1) Somehow install a copy of GTK 1.x on your system such that it doesn't conflict with 2.x, 2) Find a copy of Mozilla that is built to use GTK 2 (such as the one in Dropline GNOME, http://www.dropline.net/gnome/), or 3) build your own version of Mozilla using the option --enable-default-toolkit=gtk2. Hope this helps. :) --Charles Ulrich -- http://www.bityard.net From jeff@idealso.com Wed Feb 19 00:53:38 2003 From: jeff@idealso.com (Jeff Lawton) Date: 18 Feb 2003 19:53:38 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Full Meeting Notes Message-ID: <1045616018.19746.75.camel@server.ltsp> 11 attended the February's GLLUG meeting at Atmosphere Annealing Inc. on Thursday the 13th. Topics discussed were as follows: Printing: how to adjust the features of the print driver in order to print high quality photo prints. Several solutions were presented. One suggestion was to purchase a driver from turboprint.de. Another attendee suggested that many adjustments can be made in redhat in the printer setup dialog by changing the driver settings. Debian: how to get gdm to add a window manager to the menu in the login screen. Solutions presented included looking in the /etc/x11/xsession or editing the .xinit to hard code the window manager. It was also suggested that the user post to the list for further information. Office Suite Solutions: Open Office, K Office and abi word were discussed. Several people asked where to get templates. There is another site besides the open office. This information will be posted at a later date. Disk imaging: Disk imaging similar to symantec's ghost. Solutions suggested were g4u and partimage. Dual booting and more: a question was posed about booting several OSes on a single computer. Partitioning limitations were discussed as well as how to set up the boot manager, as well as suggesting sharing a swap partition with several OSes. Corrupt RPM system: some time was spent talking about how to fix a damaged rpm system and many potential solutions were suggested. Boot floppy trouble: problems with mandrake 8 boot floppy creation were discussed and the solution to use a different distribution was suggested. Someone offered to provide install CDs for several distributions. Finding device name: someone asked how to find device names on their system. The solution was to use dmesg or dtab. Popup killing: someone asked about how to kill pop-ups and several people stated that it was a setting in mozilla and another talked about junkbuster. The meeting concluded while people were looking though the library for learning material -- Jeff Lawton Ideal Solution, LLC www.idealso.com 517.669.4235 From blp@cs.stanford.edu Wed Feb 19 07:43:28 2003 From: blp@cs.stanford.edu (Ben Pfaff) Date: 18 Feb 2003 23:43:28 -0800 Subject: [GLLUG] Full Meeting Notes In-Reply-To: <1045616018.19746.75.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1045616018.19746.75.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <87y94cd8bj.fsf@pfaff.Stanford.EDU> Jeff Lawton writes: > Debian: how to get gdm to add a window manager to the menu in the login > screen. Solutions presented included looking in the /etc/x11/xsession or > editing the .xinit to hard code the window manager. It was also > suggested that the user post to the list for further information. The GDM home page says that GDM is designed to be customizable without editing files and shows a dialog box for configuration. I suggest the person interested should try to find that. -- "Premature optimization is the root of all evil." --D. E. Knuth, "Structured Programming with go to Statements" From andre@fhai.com Wed Feb 19 15:54:27 2003 From: andre@fhai.com (Andre E. Purdy) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 10:54:27 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Penguincon at Warren, MI Message-ID: <552F605DE028F4409199716CBA831B8B1C7D53@06mail.ad.fhai.org> I thought the list might also be interested in this year's Rubi Con in Dearborn, March 28-30 (http://www.rubi-con.org). I haven't made it to one yet but it sounds interesting. -Andre -----Original Message----- From: Junus, Ranti [mailto:junus@mail.lib.msu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 1:12 PM To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu Subject: [GLLUG] Penguincon at Warren, MI Hi All, Is anybody aware of this Penguincon conference at Warren, MI (May 2-3)? According to their web site http://penguicon.sourceforge.net/, "Penguicon is a combination Science Fiction Convention and Linux Expo, doing the whole 'you got peanut butter in my chocolate' thing." Looking at the list of speakers, this looks like an interesting event to go to. Is there any interest to go there as a group? thanks, ranti. -- Ranti Junus 100 Main Library Michigan State University East Lansing, MI 48824, USA +1.517.353.8587 _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user@egr.msu.edu http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From gholbrook@voyager.net Wed Feb 19 20:27:47 2003 From: gholbrook@voyager.net (Gary Holbrook) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:27:47 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Hot Swap an ATA Hard Drive -Another Approach References: <1045285425.2529.5.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <007a01c2d855$5e8e0260$1562180a@bandido> I've always wanted to try this with vanilla drives and cheap cages: Get a 5 1/4 inch external USB enclosure and mount one of the swappable cages in it. Then you could use vanilla IDE drives and use the usb enclosure to make them hot-swap. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Lawton" To: "Gllug" Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 12:03 AM Subject: [GLLUG] Hot Swap an ATA Hard Drive > I have been looking for a way to remove or add a hard drive to a running > redhat 8 system and have found nothing. In freebsd I can just: > > sync > unmount the drive > atacontrol detach > atacontrol attach > mount the drive > and away I go > > How do I this in Linux? > -- > Jeff Lawton > Ideal Solution, LLC > www.idealso.com > 517.669.4235 > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From danceswithcrows@usa.net Wed Feb 19 21:08:11 2003 From: danceswithcrows@usa.net (Matt Graham) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:08:11 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Hot Swap an ATA Hard Drive -Another Approach In-Reply-To: <007a01c2d855$5e8e0260$1562180a@bandido> References: <1045285425.2529.5.camel@server.ltsp> <007a01c2d855$5e8e0260$1562180a@bandido> Message-ID: <200302191608.11534.danceswithcrows@usa.net> On Wednesday 19 February 2003 15:27, after a long battle with technology, Gary Holbrook wrote: > I've always wanted to try this with vanilla drives and cheap cages: > Get a 5 1/4 inch external USB enclosure and mount one of the > swappable cages in it. Then you could use vanilla IDE drives and use > the usb enclosure to make them hot-swap. I don't think this'd work the way you want it to. The "swappable cages" you refer to *will* make an IDE drive hot-swappable, so long as you run the script Jeff mentioned earlier (on BSD) or the script I mentioned earlier (on Linux) when swapping drives. USB 1 is too slow for disks, while USB 2 is better, it's still slower than a direct IDE connection. You'll still have to rescan the SCSI bus using a script if you change the drive without unplugging the USB device. Not to mention that the IDE hot-swap cages you refer to may be too big (many are meant to fit in a 5.25" bay) to fit into the external USB disk enclosures (meant to take 3.5" disks), and weird hardware interactions between the IDE hotswap cage and the USB disk enclosure could take place. -- "Bother," said Pooh. "Eeyore, ready two photon torpedoes and lock phasers on the Heffalump; Piglet, meet me in transporter room three." --Robert Billing There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see From gholbrook@voyager.net Wed Feb 19 21:40:02 2003 From: gholbrook@voyager.net (Gary Holbrook) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:40:02 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Hot Swap an ATA Hard Drive -Another Approach References: <1045285425.2529.5.camel@server.ltsp> <007a01c2d855$5e8e0260$1562180a@bandido> <200302191608.11534.danceswithcrows@usa.net> Message-ID: <007f01c2d85f$761d2730$1562180a@bandido> Some of the external enclosures are made for internal CDROM drives, which should mean that they'll fit a drive cage quite effectively. While the idea isn't as nice as high end hardware, it is economical...and would provide for mirroring important data. I actually contrived this notion whilst wallowing in thorough disgust at a slew of drive problems that I had. Backups become a problem because the tapes frequently cost nearly as much as a second drive would. This idea permits drive swapping with really cheap hardware without rebooting...using some of the fabulous scripts you guys posted earlier. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Graham" To: "gllug" Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Hot Swap an ATA Hard Drive -Another Approach > On Wednesday 19 February 2003 15:27, after a long battle with > technology, Gary Holbrook wrote: > > I've always wanted to try this with vanilla drives and cheap cages: > > Get a 5 1/4 inch external USB enclosure and mount one of the > > swappable cages in it. Then you could use vanilla IDE drives and use > > the usb enclosure to make them hot-swap. > > I don't think this'd work the way you want it to. The "swappable cages" > you refer to *will* make an IDE drive hot-swappable, so long as you run > the script Jeff mentioned earlier (on BSD) or the script I mentioned > earlier (on Linux) when swapping drives. USB 1 is too slow for disks, > while USB 2 is better, it's still slower than a direct IDE connection. > You'll still have to rescan the SCSI bus using a script if you change > the drive without unplugging the USB device. Not to mention that the > IDE hot-swap cages you refer to may be too big (many are meant to fit > in a 5.25" bay) to fit into the external USB disk enclosures (meant to > take 3.5" disks), and weird hardware interactions between the IDE > hotswap cage and the USB disk enclosure could take place. > > > > -- > "Bother," said Pooh. "Eeyore, ready two photon torpedoes and lock > phasers on the Heffalump; Piglet, meet me in transporter room three." > --Robert Billing > There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From picasso@madflower.com Wed Feb 19 22:21:54 2003 From: picasso@madflower.com (Sean) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:21:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Hot Swap an ATA Hard Drive -Another Approach In-Reply-To: <007f01c2d85f$761d2730$1562180a@bandido> Message-ID: I use firewire (ieee1394/iLink) for that purpose and mobility. The cases are ~30-40 bucks and makes everything pretty portable between machines, like my DVD-RW is in a firewire case so i can move it between machines, as well as harddrives. Firewire 800 is starting to appear, which is 2x as fast as the old Firewire which gets rid of some of the limitations in the firewire protocal, like you don't have to daisey chain everything, and better support for IP/firewire. On Wed, 19 Feb 2003, Gary Holbrook wrote: > Some of the external enclosures are made for internal CDROM drives, which > should mean that they'll fit a drive cage quite effectively. > > While the idea isn't as nice as high end hardware, it is economical...and > would provide for mirroring important data. I actually contrived this > notion whilst wallowing in thorough disgust at a slew of drive problems that > I had. Backups become a problem because the tapes frequently cost nearly as > much as a second drive would. This idea permits drive swapping with really > cheap hardware without rebooting...using some of the fabulous scripts you > guys posted earlier. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matt Graham" > To: "gllug" > Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:08 PM > Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Hot Swap an ATA Hard Drive -Another Approach > > > > On Wednesday 19 February 2003 15:27, after a long battle with > > technology, Gary Holbrook wrote: > > > I've always wanted to try this with vanilla drives and cheap cages: > > > Get a 5 1/4 inch external USB enclosure and mount one of the > > > swappable cages in it. Then you could use vanilla IDE drives and use > > > the usb enclosure to make them hot-swap. > > > > I don't think this'd work the way you want it to. The "swappable cages" > > you refer to *will* make an IDE drive hot-swappable, so long as you run > > the script Jeff mentioned earlier (on BSD) or the script I mentioned > > earlier (on Linux) when swapping drives. USB 1 is too slow for disks, > > while USB 2 is better, it's still slower than a direct IDE connection. > > You'll still have to rescan the SCSI bus using a script if you change > > the drive without unplugging the USB device. Not to mention that the > > IDE hot-swap cages you refer to may be too big (many are meant to fit > > in a 5.25" bay) to fit into the external USB disk enclosures (meant to > > take 3.5" disks), and weird hardware interactions between the IDE > > hotswap cage and the USB disk enclosure could take place. > > > > > > > > -- > > "Bother," said Pooh. "Eeyore, ready two photon torpedoes and lock > > phasers on the Heffalump; Piglet, meet me in transporter room three." > > --Robert Billing > > There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see > > _______________________________________________ > > linux-user mailing list > > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From jeff@idealso.com Wed Feb 19 23:11:10 2003 From: jeff@idealso.com (Jeff Lawton) Date: 19 Feb 2003 18:11:10 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Hot Swap an ATA Hard Drive -Another Approach In-Reply-To: <007f01c2d85f$761d2730$1562180a@bandido> References: <1045285425.2529.5.camel@server.ltsp> <007a01c2d855$5e8e0260$1562180a@bandido> <200302191608.11534.danceswithcrows@usa.net> <007f01c2d85f$761d2730$1562180a@bandido> Message-ID: <1045696270.22366.5.camel@server.ltsp> I have been having difficulty getting the linux scripts Matt mentioned to work. The freebsd ones detach and attach great when I try it in linux it does not seem to rescan the IDE channel like it does in freebsd and does not recognize that I changed the drive. also the "dangerous" in the in the man pages are a little dis concerning. . On Wed, 2003-02-19 at 16:40, Gary Holbrook wrote: > Some of the external enclosures are made for internal CDROM drives, which > should mean that they'll fit a drive cage quite effectively. > > While the idea isn't as nice as high end hardware, it is economical...and > would provide for mirroring important data. I actually contrived this > notion whilst wallowing in thorough disgust at a slew of drive problems that > I had. Backups become a problem because the tapes frequently cost nearly as > much as a second drive would. This idea permits drive swapping with really > cheap hardware without rebooting...using some of the fabulous scripts you > guys posted earlier. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matt Graham" > To: "gllug" > Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:08 PM > Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Hot Swap an ATA Hard Drive -Another Approach > > > > On Wednesday 19 February 2003 15:27, after a long battle with > > technology, Gary Holbrook wrote: > > > I've always wanted to try this with vanilla drives and cheap cages: > > > Get a 5 1/4 inch external USB enclosure and mount one of the > > > swappable cages in it. Then you could use vanilla IDE drives and use > > > the usb enclosure to make them hot-swap. > > > > I don't think this'd work the way you want it to. The "swappable cages" > > you refer to *will* make an IDE drive hot-swappable, so long as you run > > the script Jeff mentioned earlier (on BSD) or the script I mentioned > > earlier (on Linux) when swapping drives. USB 1 is too slow for disks, > > while USB 2 is better, it's still slower than a direct IDE connection. > > You'll still have to rescan the SCSI bus using a script if you change > > the drive without unplugging the USB device. Not to mention that the > > IDE hot-swap cages you refer to may be too big (many are meant to fit > > in a 5.25" bay) to fit into the external USB disk enclosures (meant to > > take 3.5" disks), and weird hardware interactions between the IDE > > hotswap cage and the USB disk enclosure could take place. > > > > > > > > -- > > "Bother," said Pooh. "Eeyore, ready two photon torpedoes and lock > > phasers on the Heffalump; Piglet, meet me in transporter room three." > > --Robert Billing > > There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see > > _______________________________________________ > > linux-user mailing list > > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -- Jeff Lawton Ideal Solution, LLC www.idealso.com 517.669.4235 From danceswithcrows@usa.net Thu Feb 20 18:24:18 2003 From: danceswithcrows@usa.net (Matt Graham) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 13:24:18 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Hot Swap an ATA Hard Drive -Another Approach In-Reply-To: <1045696270.22366.5.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1045285425.2529.5.camel@server.ltsp> <007f01c2d85f$761d2730$1562180a@bandido> <1045696270.22366.5.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <200302201324.18355.danceswithcrows@usa.net> On Wednesday 19 February 2003 18:11, after a long battle with technology, Jeff Lawton wrote: > I have been having difficulty getting the linux scripts Matt > mentioned to work. The freebsd ones detach and attach great when I > try it in linux it does not seem to rescan the IDE channel like it > does in freebsd and does not recognize that I changed the drive. Hm. The kernel-level code for managing this stuff is pretty recent, late 2.4 series IIRC. I don't actually have an IDE hotswap cage or I would've tested this personally. Or... looking at the idectl script, it passes extra parameters to hdparm that are not documented in the man page. GRRR. Correct syntax would appear to be: hdparm -U 1 /dev/hdc hdparm -R 1 0 0 /dev/hdc ...and I get some kind of weird error, HDIO_SCAN_HWIF failed: Input/output error. Great. Chalk one up for *BSD? > also the "dangerous" in the in the man pages are a little dis > concerning. This is a CYA on the hdparm developer's part. Notice how the same warnings are present for the -d and -X options, which seem to work OK, and remember that the VESA framebuffer drivers in the main kernel are still marked as "experimental". -- "We should have a policy against using personal resources for company business." "The Company didn't pay for these pants, so I'm taking them off at the door!" --J. Moore and A. DeBoer, the Monastery There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see From hoortbri@msu.edu Sat Feb 22 01:47:27 2003 From: hoortbri@msu.edu (Brian Hoort) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 20:47:27 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Debian & KDE Message-ID: <200302220135.h1M1Z8565020@pilot09.cl.msu.edu> I am running Debian testing. Their KDE is very old. I'mtrying to give Debian a newer apt sources.list entry so that I may run newer versions of KDE. I have tried the following: deb http://ftp.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/kde/stable/latest/Debian stable main #deb http://ftp.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/kde/stable/koffice-1.2.1/Debian ./ #deb http://kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.1/Debian stable main but the second two don't work, and even when the first one works, apt reports that it's going to remove most of my KDE apps (dependant on older KDE?), rather than update them. I presume this means that those apps (kscd, kedit, kate, ksirc, kword, the rest of koffice and on and on...) are not in that path, compiled for 3.1. I'm surprised that kde.org would offer it this way. Am I missing something? Would someone please fill in the blanks for me? I am very anxcious to try out KDE 3.1, and keep my apps! Thanks much for your time! From tim@schmidt.is-a-geek.com Sat Feb 22 16:27:18 2003 From: tim@schmidt.is-a-geek.com (Timothy Schmidt) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 11:27:18 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Debian & KDE In-Reply-To: <200302220135.h1M1Z8565020@pilot09.cl.msu.edu> References: <200302220135.h1M1Z8565020@pilot09.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: <200302221127.18952.tim@schmidt.is-a-geek.com> Many times those apps are bundled up into a single package called something like KDE-Games or KDE-PIM. Check to see that this is not the case. --tim On Friday 21 February 2003 08:47 pm, Brian Hoort wrote: > I am running Debian testing. Their KDE is very old. I'mtrying to give > Debian a newer apt sources.list entry so that I may run newer versions of > KDE. I have tried the following: > > deb http://ftp.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/kde/stable/latest/Debian stable main > #deb http://ftp.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/kde/stable/koffice-1.2.1/Debian ./ > #deb http://kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.1/Debian stable main > > but the second two don't work, and even when the first one works, apt > reports that it's going to remove most of my KDE apps (dependant on older > KDE?), rather than update them. I presume this means that those apps (kscd, > kedit, kate, ksirc, kword, the rest of koffice and on and on...) are not in > that path, compiled for 3.1. I'm surprised that kde.org would offer it this > way. Am I missing something? Would someone please fill in the blanks for > me? I am very anxcious to try out KDE 3.1, and keep my apps! > > Thanks much for your time! > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From hoortbri@pilot.msu.edu Sun Feb 23 03:12:04 2003 From: hoortbri@pilot.msu.edu (Brian C Hoort) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 22:12:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Debian & KDE In-Reply-To: <200302221127.18952.tim@schmidt.is-a-geek.com> from "Timothy Schmidt" at Feb 22, 2003 11:27:18 am Message-ID: <200302230312.h1N3C4D48096@pilot27.cl.msu.edu> Yes. That turns out to be the case. Thanks. I haven't figured out how to install one app out of a grouping, like kdenetwork, but am still looking. Will post updates as I go... Thanks b > > Many times those apps are bundled up into a single package called something > like KDE-Games or KDE-PIM. Check to see that this is not the case. > > --tim > > On Friday 21 February 2003 08:47 pm, Brian Hoort wrote: > > I am running Debian testing. Their KDE is very old. I'mtrying to give > > Debian a newer apt sources.list entry so that I may run newer versions of > > KDE. I have tried the following: > > > > deb http://ftp.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/kde/stable/latest/Debian stable main > > #deb http://ftp.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/kde/stable/koffice-1.2.1/Debian ./ > > #deb http://kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.1/Debian stable main > > > > but the second two don't work, and even when the first one works, apt > > reports that it's going to remove most of my KDE apps (dependant on older > > KDE?), rather than update them. I presume this means that those apps (kscd, > > kedit, kate, ksirc, kword, the rest of koffice and on and on...) are not in > > that path, compiled for 3.1. I'm surprised that kde.org would offer it this > > way. Am I missing something? Would someone please fill in the blanks for > > me? 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Is there a nifty *nix tool that does this and I don't know how to? -Mike From blp@cs.stanford.edu Mon Feb 24 23:55:42 2003 From: blp@cs.stanford.edu (Ben Pfaff) Date: 24 Feb 2003 15:55:42 -0800 Subject: [GLLUG] Scanning MAC address for IP In-Reply-To: <3DDACBF7-4852-11D7-B75F-000393833772@mac.com> References: <3DDACBF7-4852-11D7-B75F-000393833772@mac.com> Message-ID: <874r6tdyip.fsf@pfaff.Stanford.EDU> Mike Szumlinski writes: > Does anyone know how to scan a known MAC address to see what IP it > has? Is there a nifty *nix tool that does this and I don't know how to? tcpdump? Wait to see a packet from that MAC address, notice its IP address. Any such tool will only work for machines on the same Ethernet wire as you (plus anything connected to a hub connected to that wire). From darrel_clute@yahoo.com Tue Feb 25 00:11:05 2003 From: darrel_clute@yahoo.com (Darrel Ray Clute, III) Date: 24 Feb 2003 19:11:05 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Scanning MAC address for IP In-Reply-To: <3DDACBF7-4852-11D7-B75F-000393833772@mac.com> References: <3DDACBF7-4852-11D7-B75F-000393833772@mac.com> Message-ID: <1046131865.3124.41.camel@laptop.clutenet.local> I have always checked ARP (Address Resolution Protocol) entries. I.E. in a Cisco device you would type (full command shown can be shortened): show arp-cache | include xxxx.xxxx.xxxx Where x represents any hexidecimal character. I am not sure what the syntax would be under Linux/UNIX haven't had the need to use it much. The only way I know of to scan to find the MAC address/IP address resolution is to ping sweep which will give you the MAC address which in effect is building an ARP cache. The easiest way to do this would be to use NMAP. I am not sure of any RARP (Reverse Address Resolution Protocol) based tools available. On Mon, 2003-02-24 at 18:46, Mike Szumlinski wrote: > Does anyone know how to scan a known MAC address to see what IP it has? > Is there a nifty *nix tool that does this and I don't know how to? > > -Mike > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -- Darrel Clute, CCNA/CCDA -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GIT/B d+ s+: a--- C++++ UL++++ P+ L+++ E--- W++ N+ o+ K- w--- O-- M V-- PS PE Y+ PGP- t+ 5+ X+ R tv+ b+ DI+ !D G+ e h! r-- y- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ To Decipher Code - http://www.ebb.org/ungeek/ To Learn About Code - http://www.geekcode.com/geek.html From hoortbri@msu.edu Tue Feb 25 18:21:44 2003 From: hoortbri@msu.edu (Brian Hoort) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:21:44 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Jigdo & Non-US Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030225131938.00b84450@pilot.msu.edu> I am trying to use Jigdo for the first time. When asked for a mirror, I entered 'ftp://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/'. It is now asking for a Non-US section of the mirror, and claims this cannot be the same as above. What do I enter there? I can't find any 'nonus' folder on egr.msu.edu/debian. Thanks! ________________________________________________________________________________ Brian Hoort "Be the change you want to see in the world" -Mahatma Gandhi From boicekev@msu.edu Tue Feb 25 21:12:29 2003 From: boicekev@msu.edu (Kevin Boice) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:12:29 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Jigdo & Non-US References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030225131938.00b84450@pilot.msu.edu> Message-ID: <3E5BDC3D.5000202@msu.edu> Non-US software isn't supposed to exported from the US, so most Non-US mirrors are outside the US. The exceptions are those registered with the US Government. Here's the address of the list of Non-US mirrors: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list-non-US ~Kevin Boice Brian Hoort wrote: > I am trying to use Jigdo for the first time. When asked for a mirror, > I entered 'ftp://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/'. It is now asking for a > Non-US section of the mirror, and claims this cannot be the same as > above. What do I enter there? I can't find any 'nonus' folder on > egr.msu.edu/debian. > > Thanks! > > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > > Brian Hoort > "Be the change you want to see in the world" -Mahatma Gandhi > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From szumlins@mac.com Tue Feb 25 21:55:32 2003 From: szumlins@mac.com (Mike Szumlinski) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:55:32 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Changing IP from command line (OS X) Message-ID: Okay...I know this is a bit unorthodox...but I need to be able to SSH into my server several hundred miles away and change its IP address and then reboot. The problem lies in the fact that it is an OS X server. Anyone have any idea how to do this. I bet I could use ifconfig to change it, but if it ever rebooted, I don't think it would retain the IP. -Mike From picasso@madflower.com Tue Feb 25 22:43:42 2003 From: picasso@madflower.com (Sean) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:43:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] Changing IP from command line (OS X) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Try: ttp://www.opensource.apple.com/projects/documentation/howto/html/network_config.html#config-in-darwin You could also use the remote-gui stuff they have. I would try it locally first in case you miss something. =) Sean On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Mike Szumlinski wrote: > Okay...I know this is a bit unorthodox...but I need to be able to SSH > into my server several hundred miles away and change its IP address and > then reboot. The problem lies in the fact that it is an OS X server. > Anyone have any idea how to do this. I bet I could use ifconfig to > change it, but if it ever rebooted, I don't think it would retain the > IP. > > -Mike > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From PMelson@sequoianet.com Wed Feb 26 13:51:31 2003 From: PMelson@sequoianet.com (Melson, Paul) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:51:31 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Scanning MAC address for IP Message-ID: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E54FDF72@lansingemail.seqnt.com> A cheesy way to do this is to run `nmap -sP [network]/[mask]` and then run `arp -a | grep -i [MAC address]` to see if you hit on anything. Perhaps a better, but slower, way is to use tcpdump or snoop and filter captured packets for the MAC address you're curious about. Keep in mind that if you're connected to a routed network, the MAC address you are seeing may be that of a router interface connected to your LAN, so the MAC address may not the best way to track traffic back to a host. PaulM -----Original Message----- From: Mike Szumlinski [mailto:szumlins@mac.com] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 6:47 PM To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu Subject: [GLLUG] Scanning MAC address for IP Does anyone know how to scan a known MAC address to see what IP it has? Is there a nifty *nix tool that does this and I don't know how to? -Mike _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user@egr.msu.edu http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From chieny@pilot.msu.edu Wed Feb 26 23:01:13 2003 From: chieny@pilot.msu.edu (Yao-Ying Chien) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:01:13 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] redhat 7.3 install problem on Compaq computer Message-ID: Hi, I am trying to install redhat 7.3 on a Compaq Presario 5716, but it froze at different packages each reinstallation. The installation program starts out fine, then usually froze at "transfer disk image". Reinstallation froze at same place, 9 out of 10. ==> hot boot? If I shut down computer for 10 minutes and install again, it can install some packages. Sometimes more sometimes less packages, but never the same package. Occasionally even went half way to 2nd CD. ==> Cold boot seems to help. The same CDs were used and successfully installed on a different PC. So CDs are good. Also tried different CD drives (hardware), same problem. So picky CD drives should not be the cause. Google search reveals some similar problems on Compaq Presario, but not many--only about 50 cases. And no solution was found. From chieny@pilot.msu.edu Wed Feb 26 23:25:37 2003 From: chieny@pilot.msu.edu (Yao-Ying Chien) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:25:37 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] redhat 7.3 install problem on Compaq computer Message-ID: Hi, Forgot to mention that, booting from floppy disks froze too. Have tried boot.img and bootnet.img, both hang right after hitting return at "boot:" like following, boot: Loading Boot failed: please change disks and press a key o continue. Same floppy disks worked fine on my other PCs. Sounds hardware issue? Yao From picasso@madflower.com Thu Feb 27 00:29:27 2003 From: picasso@madflower.com (Sean) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:29:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] redhat 7.3 install problem on Compaq computer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Did you try doing a non-graphical installation? I think it is llike boot text or something similar. It is on that splash screen.. Did you try running a memory checker on it like x86memtest or something similar? On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Yao-Ying Chien wrote: > Hi, > > Forgot to mention that, booting from floppy disks froze too. Have > tried boot.img and bootnet.img, both hang right after hitting return > at "boot:" like following, > > boot: > Loading > Boot failed: please change disks and press a key o continue. > > Same floppy disks worked fine on my other PCs. > > Sounds hardware issue? > > Yao > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From danceswithcrows@usa.net Thu Feb 27 01:14:13 2003 From: danceswithcrows@usa.net (Matt Graham) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 20:14:13 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] redhat 7.3 install problem on Compaq computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200302262014.13368.danceswithcrows@usa.net> On Wednesday 26 February 2003 18:25, after a long battle with technology, Yao-Ying Chien wrote: > Forgot to mention that, booting from floppy disks froze too. Have > tried boot.img and bootnet.img, both hang right after hitting return > at "boot:" like following, > > boot: > Loading > Boot failed: please change disks and press a key o continue. > > Same floppy disks worked fine on my other PCs. > Sounds hardware issue? I've heard stuff on Usenet about newer laptops (and maybe desktops) emitting spurious MCE (Machine Check Exception) events, which will bring the kernel to a halt at random times. The fix is to boot with the parameter nomce", so it'd be: LILO: linux nomce I don't know if that's the problem, but it might be worth a shot. -- Some people are alive only because it is traditional to keep torturing the poor guy about being lost in the machine room with an IBM water buffalo. --MegaHAL, trained on ASR There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see From gllug@gllug.org Thu Feb 27 05:05:02 2003 From: gllug@gllug.org (GLLUG.org Calendar Notification) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 00:05:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] REMINDER - Slashdot Meetup - Feb. 27, 2003 Message-ID: <200302270505.h1R552c00144@idealso.com> This is an automated reminder from the GLLUG.org calendar for the following event: TITLE: Slashdot Meetup - Feb. 27, 2003 DESCRIPTION: Meetup with other local Slashdotters to talk about the news for nerds. LOCATION: Slashdot Meetup (http://www.gllug.org/mod.php?mod=calendar&op=list_events&loc_id=6) DATE/TIME: Thursday, February 27, 2003 at 7:00PM For more information, see the Greater Lansing Linux Users Group website at http://www.gllug.org. From chieny@pilot.msu.edu Thu Feb 27 14:25:26 2003 From: chieny@pilot.msu.edu (Yao-Ying Chien) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:25:26 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] redhat 7.3 install problem on Compaq computer In-Reply-To: <3E5E055C.94B9D5A1@lsd.k12.mi.us> References: <3E5E055C.94B9D5A1@lsd.k12.mi.us> Message-ID: Hi Mike, Thanks for your wonderful reply, I will try your suggestions. And you are right that "they attached a plastic shield to the power supply to try and make the p.s. fan draw air past the cpu heatsink". The same computer is also running Windows 2000 pro for months continuously. Does that rule out the memory, CPU heat, reseating, hard drive? Or Linux has higher standards for hardware? One of the suggestions I found from google search was, boot: Linux noubs I tried, but it didn't work. How do I know the temperature of CPU? Any favorite softwares? Many thanks, Yao >Yao-Ying Chien wrote: >> > >> >> Sounds hardware issue? >> > >That's exactly what it sounds like to me - and I'd look at memory first >and foremost. Also try reseating any/all cards including any riser cards >that may plug into the main board (or the main board if it plugs into >the riser). Check that your heatsink is affixed to the cpu solidly and >that the fan is running (if any). I used to work for a Compaq authorized >servicer, and though I don't recall which models were involved at the >time, I do recall they had a tendency to cut corners to lower costs. >They'd do strange things like not putting fans on cpu's which clearly >needed them and then just attaching a plastic sheild to the power supply >to try and make the p.s. fan draw air past the cpu heatsink. How hot >does the cpu get? > >1) memory >2) reseat everything >3) cpu heat >4) if all else fails do a bad block check on your drive(s) > >BTW, reseating can often mean more than just unplugging and reinserting >one time. As oxidation on the contacts is usually what you're fighting >it is good to shove the cards in and out of the slot several times - the >friction of repeated actions will generally be enough to clean off the >oxidation for another year or so. > > >-- >Mike Rambo >mrambo@lsd.k12.mi.us From PMelson@sequoianet.com Thu Feb 27 14:55:40 2003 From: PMelson@sequoianet.com (Melson, Paul) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:55:40 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] redhat 7.3 install problem on Compaq computer Message-ID: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E54FDF73@lansingemail.seqnt.com> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6291 I don't know if you've got one of the newer Presario laptops, but you may find this article useful. If you can get lm_sensors (http://secure.netroedge.com/~lm78/) working, you can find the CPU temp that way. But since you're having trouble getting through the install, that may not be feasible. There's also gp_Temp for Win32, which you can get here: http://www.benchtest.com/downloads/index.html Though, if I had to guess, CPU temp isn't the issue. It's been my experience that Windows is much more sensitive to CPU overheating than Linux is. Good luck! PaulM PS - RedHat 8.0 is out, and includes support for some newer hardware. It requires more disk space than 7.3 does, but I've found that it fixed a lot of the USB and PCMCIA support issues that were present in 7.x. -----Original Message----- From: Yao-Ying Chien [mailto:chieny@pilot.msu.edu] Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 9:25 AM To: Mike Rambo Cc: linux-user@egr.msu.edu Subject: Re: [GLLUG] redhat 7.3 install problem on Compaq computer Hi Mike, Thanks for your wonderful reply, I will try your suggestions. And you are right that "they attached a plastic shield to the power supply to try and make the p.s. fan draw air past the cpu heatsink". The same computer is also running Windows 2000 pro for months continuously. Does that rule out the memory, CPU heat, reseating, hard drive? Or Linux has higher standards for hardware? One of the suggestions I found from google search was, boot: Linux noubs I tried, but it didn't work. How do I know the temperature of CPU? Any favorite softwares? Many thanks, Yao >Yao-Ying Chien wrote: >> > >> >> Sounds hardware issue? >> > >That's exactly what it sounds like to me - and I'd look at memory first >and foremost. Also try reseating any/all cards including any riser cards >that may plug into the main board (or the main board if it plugs into >the riser). Check that your heatsink is affixed to the cpu solidly and >that the fan is running (if any). I used to work for a Compaq authorized >servicer, and though I don't recall which models were involved at the >time, I do recall they had a tendency to cut corners to lower costs. >They'd do strange things like not putting fans on cpu's which clearly >needed them and then just attaching a plastic sheild to the power supply >to try and make the p.s. fan draw air past the cpu heatsink. How hot >does the cpu get? > >1) memory >2) reseat everything >3) cpu heat >4) if all else fails do a bad block check on your drive(s) > >BTW, reseating can often mean more than just unplugging and reinserting >one time. As oxidation on the contacts is usually what you're fighting >it is good to shove the cards in and out of the slot several times - the >friction of repeated actions will generally be enough to clean off the >oxidation for another year or so. > > >-- >Mike Rambo >mrambo@lsd.k12.mi.us _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user@egr.msu.edu http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From picasso@madflower.com Thu Feb 27 16:06:37 2003 From: picasso@madflower.com (Sean) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:06:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GLLUG] redhat 7.3 install problem on Compaq computer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Yao-Ying Chien wrote: > The same computer is also running Windows 2000 pro for months continuously. Does that rule out the memory, CPU heat, reseating, hard drive? Or Linux has higher standards for hardware? not necessarily. bad ram usually only causes crashes when it is accessed and the information is incorrect. Windows could have happily been loading some libraries in that memory that were never used and thus no problem ever showed up. From chieny@pilot.msu.edu Thu Feb 27 16:20:44 2003 From: chieny@pilot.msu.edu (Yao-Ying Chien) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:20:44 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] redhat 7.3 install problem on Compaq computer In-Reply-To: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E54FDF73@lansingemail.seqnt.com> References: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E54FDF73@lansingemail.seqnt.com> Message-ID: Hi Paul, Thanks for your reply, AND the links. The Presario was quite old: P-III 450MHz, a desktop made in 1998 (?). 450Mhz sounds a P-II to me, but the case says P-III). Shouldn't RH 7.3 take care of such an old computer? I got mixed reports about RD 8.0. One is that, from the google search, similar install problems were reported on RH 7.1-8.0, SuSe, Mandrake 8. The others complained that that RH x.0 is unstable, and is worse than RH 7.3. ==> That's why I was hesitate about RH 8.0. OTOH, many people thought RH 8.0 was great. ==> What are you guys' experiences? Anyway RH 8.0 will be my next try. Beside, I have been curious about RH 8.0. Many thanks, Yao >http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6291 > >I don't know if you've got one of the newer Presario laptops, but you >may find this article useful. > >If you can get lm_sensors (http://secure.netroedge.com/~lm78/) working, >you can find the CPU temp that way. But since you're having trouble >getting through the install, that may not be feasible. There's also >gp_Temp for Win32, which you can get here: >http://www.benchtest.com/downloads/index.html > >Though, if I had to guess, CPU temp isn't the issue. It's been my >experience that Windows is much more sensitive to CPU overheating than >Linux is. Good luck! > >PaulM > >PS - RedHat 8.0 is out, and includes support for some newer hardware. >It requires more disk space than 7.3 does, but I've found that it fixed >a lot of the USB and PCMCIA support issues that were present in 7.x. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Yao-Ying Chien [mailto:chieny@pilot.msu.edu] >Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 9:25 AM >To: Mike Rambo >Cc: linux-user@egr.msu.edu >Subject: Re: [GLLUG] redhat 7.3 install problem on Compaq computer > > >Hi Mike, > >Thanks for your wonderful reply, I will try your suggestions. And you >are right that "they attached a plastic shield to the power supply to >try and make the p.s. fan draw air past the cpu heatsink". > >The same computer is also running Windows 2000 pro for months >continuously. Does that rule out the memory, CPU heat, reseating, hard >drive? Or Linux has higher standards for hardware? > >One of the suggestions I found from google search was, > > boot: Linux noubs > >I tried, but it didn't work. > >How do I know the temperature of CPU? Any favorite softwares? > >Many thanks, > >Yao > > >>Yao-Ying Chien wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Sounds hardware issue? >>> >> >>That's exactly what it sounds like to me - and I'd look at memory first >>and foremost. Also try reseating any/all cards including any riser >cards >>that may plug into the main board (or the main board if it plugs into >>the riser). Check that your heatsink is affixed to the cpu solidly and >>that the fan is running (if any). I used to work for a Compaq >authorized >>servicer, and though I don't recall which models were involved at the >>time, I do recall they had a tendency to cut corners to lower costs. >>They'd do strange things like not putting fans on cpu's which clearly >>needed them and then just attaching a plastic sheild to the power >supply >>to try and make the p.s. fan draw air past the cpu heatsink. How hot >>does the cpu get? >> >>1) memory >>2) reseat everything >>3) cpu heat >>4) if all else fails do a bad block check on your drive(s) >> >>BTW, reseating can often mean more than just unplugging and reinserting >>one time. As oxidation on the contacts is usually what you're fighting >>it is good to shove the cards in and out of the slot several times - >the >>friction of repeated actions will generally be enough to clean off the >>oxidation for another year or so. >> >> >>-- >>Mike Rambo >>mrambo@lsd.k12.mi.us > > >_______________________________________________ >linux-user mailing list >linux-user@egr.msu.edu >http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From chieny@pilot.msu.edu Thu Feb 27 16:22:12 2003 From: chieny@pilot.msu.edu (Yao-Ying Chien) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:22:12 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] your favorite softwares, and distros Message-ID: Hi, My 1st Linux was Redhat 4.0 (1993?), then I haven't done much since then. Lately, I wish to refresh the programing languages I learned (C++, Java, Perls, MIPS, FROTRAN), and learn some new ones as well (Python, tcl, CGI, parallel computing, mySQL, ). Things have changed so much since RH 4.0. What are your favorite softwares? Could you guys please share with me, so that I know where to start and enjoy? Your opinions on distributions (Rehhat, Mandrake, etc.)? Which one to start? And which one is more tolerant as I have difficulties in installing RH 7.3 on a Compaq computer: Presario, P-III 450MHz, desktop, made in 1998 (?). Pointers are great. Thanks, Yao From PMelson@sequoianet.com Thu Feb 27 17:13:21 2003 From: PMelson@sequoianet.com (Melson, Paul) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:13:21 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] redhat 7.3 install problem on Compaq computer Message-ID: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E54FDF74@lansingemail.seqnt.com> I would think that any core hardware in a 5yr old machine would be supported by versions even older than 7.3. :) I have gone from 7.0 through 8.0 and every rev. in between on my P3 Armada E500, which is probably quite similar to your Presario. I had some problems with a USB mouse I use with my docking station and various wireless cards under 7.3. All of these problems went away when I went to 8.0. The down side, as I said previously, is that it requires more disk space, and I've only allocated 2GB for whatever Linux distro I want to run on my laptop. :-\ But, that said, I've been happy with it otherwise. PaulM -----Original Message----- From: Yao-Ying Chien [mailto:chieny@pilot.msu.edu] Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:21 AM To: Melson, Paul Cc: linux-user@egr.msu.edu Subject: RE: [GLLUG] redhat 7.3 install problem on Compaq computer Hi Paul, Thanks for your reply, AND the links. The Presario was quite old: P-III 450MHz, a desktop made in 1998 (?). 450Mhz sounds a P-II to me, but the case says P-III). Shouldn't RH 7.3 take care of such an old computer? I got mixed reports about RD 8.0. One is that, from the google search, similar install problems were reported on RH 7.1-8.0, SuSe, Mandrake 8. The others complained that that RH x.0 is unstable, and is worse than RH 7.3. ==> That's why I was hesitate about RH 8.0. OTOH, many people thought RH 8.0 was great. ==> What are you guys' experiences? Anyway RH 8.0 will be my next try. Beside, I have been curious about RH 8.0. Many thanks, Yao >http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6291 > >I don't know if you've got one of the newer Presario laptops, but you >may find this article useful. > >If you can get lm_sensors (http://secure.netroedge.com/~lm78/) working, >you can find the CPU temp that way. But since you're having trouble >getting through the install, that may not be feasible. There's also >gp_Temp for Win32, which you can get here: >http://www.benchtest.com/downloads/index.html > >Though, if I had to guess, CPU temp isn't the issue. It's been my >experience that Windows is much more sensitive to CPU overheating than >Linux is. Good luck! > >PaulM > >PS - RedHat 8.0 is out, and includes support for some newer hardware. >It requires more disk space than 7.3 does, but I've found that it fixed >a lot of the USB and PCMCIA support issues that were present in 7.x. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Yao-Ying Chien [mailto:chieny@pilot.msu.edu] >Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 9:25 AM >To: Mike Rambo >Cc: linux-user@egr.msu.edu >Subject: Re: [GLLUG] redhat 7.3 install problem on Compaq computer > > >Hi Mike, > >Thanks for your wonderful reply, I will try your suggestions. And you >are right that "they attached a plastic shield to the power supply to >try and make the p.s. fan draw air past the cpu heatsink". > >The same computer is also running Windows 2000 pro for months >continuously. Does that rule out the memory, CPU heat, reseating, hard >drive? Or Linux has higher standards for hardware? > >One of the suggestions I found from google search was, > > boot: Linux noubs > >I tried, but it didn't work. > >How do I know the temperature of CPU? Any favorite softwares? > >Many thanks, > >Yao > > >>Yao-Ying Chien wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Sounds hardware issue? >>> >> >>That's exactly what it sounds like to me - and I'd look at memory first >>and foremost. Also try reseating any/all cards including any riser >cards >>that may plug into the main board (or the main board if it plugs into >>the riser). Check that your heatsink is affixed to the cpu solidly and >>that the fan is running (if any). I used to work for a Compaq >authorized >>servicer, and though I don't recall which models were involved at the >>time, I do recall they had a tendency to cut corners to lower costs. >>They'd do strange things like not putting fans on cpu's which clearly >>needed them and then just attaching a plastic sheild to the power >supply >>to try and make the p.s. fan draw air past the cpu heatsink. How hot >>does the cpu get? >> >>1) memory >>2) reseat everything >>3) cpu heat >>4) if all else fails do a bad block check on your drive(s) >> >>BTW, reseating can often mean more than just unplugging and reinserting >>one time. As oxidation on the contacts is usually what you're fighting >>it is good to shove the cards in and out of the slot several times - >the >>friction of repeated actions will generally be enough to clean off the >>oxidation for another year or so. >> >> >>-- >>Mike Rambo >>mrambo@lsd.k12.mi.us > > >_______________________________________________ >linux-user mailing list >linux-user@egr.msu.edu >http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From szumlins@mac.com Thu Feb 27 18:21:15 2003 From: szumlins@mac.com (Mike Szumlinski) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:21:15 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] your favorite softwares, and distros In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4250863C-4A80-11D7-B074-00039344E5B6@mac.com> I personally think that FreeBSD is pretty rock solid and easy to get up and running for a server platform and development box. That being said, I have a MacOS X machine that I really do most of the dev from and have an ssh window open all the time to the server. Redhat was always the easiest for me to get up and running in the past. Debian was a bitch to figure out if you didn't know what you were doing. Slackware has pretty good hardware support, so it might not be a bad place to try if you haven't been able to get Redhat kicking. -Mike On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 11:22 AM, Yao-Ying Chien wrote: > Hi, > > My 1st Linux was Redhat 4.0 (1993?), then I haven't done much since > then. Lately, I wish to refresh the programing languages I learned > (C++, Java, Perls, MIPS, FROTRAN), and learn some new ones as well > (Python, tcl, CGI, parallel computing, mySQL, suggestions>). Things have changed so much since RH 4.0. What are your > favorite softwares? Could you guys please share with me, so that I > know where to start and enjoy? > > Your opinions on distributions (Rehhat, Mandrake, etc.)? Which one to > start? And which one is more tolerant as I have difficulties in > installing RH 7.3 on a Compaq computer: Presario, P-III 450MHz, > desktop, made in 1998 (?). > > Pointers are great. > > Thanks, > > Yao > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From drk@netophilia.net Thu Feb 27 19:43:12 2003 From: drk@netophilia.net (Daniel) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:43:12 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] your favorite softwares, and distros In-Reply-To: ; from chieny@pilot.msu.edu on Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 11:22:12AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20030227144312.A91977@netophilia.net> Does it need to be linux? If not, I recommend running a BSD, FreeBSD being the easiest to get going. Try out version 4.7, since 5.0 was just released and probably has more bugs. Yao-Ying Chien extolled: > Hi, > > My 1st Linux was Redhat 4.0 (1993?), then I haven't done much since then. Lately, I wish to refresh the programing languages I learned (C++, Java, Perls, MIPS, FROTRAN), and learn some new ones as well (Python, tcl, CGI, parallel computing, mySQL, ). Things have changed so much since RH 4.0. What are your favorite softwares? Could you guys please share with me, so that I know where to start and enjoy? > > Your opinions on distributions (Rehhat, Mandrake, etc.)? Which one to start? And which one is more tolerant as I have difficulties in installing RH 7.3 on a Compaq computer: Presario, P-III 450MHz, desktop, made in 1998 (?). > > Pointers are great. > > Thanks, > > Yao > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -- --- Dan From blp@cs.stanford.edu Thu Feb 27 19:50:46 2003 From: blp@cs.stanford.edu (Ben Pfaff) Date: 27 Feb 2003 11:50:46 -0800 Subject: [GLLUG] your favorite softwares, and distros In-Reply-To: <20030227144312.A91977@netophilia.net> References: <20030227144312.A91977@netophilia.net> Message-ID: <87lm01sdt5.fsf@pfaff.Stanford.EDU> Daniel writes: > Does it need to be linux? > > If not, I recommend running a BSD, FreeBSD being the easiest to > get going. Try out version 4.7, since 5.0 was just released and > probably has more bugs. You're recommending a BSD on a Linux users group mailing list? That seems antisocial at best. -- "There's only one thing that will make them stop hating you. And that's being so good at what you do that they can't ignore you. I told them you were the best. Now you damn well better be." --Orson Scott Card, _Ender's Game_ From dincht@securenym.net Thu Feb 27 20:09:31 2003 From: dincht@securenym.net (C. Ulrich) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:09:31 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] your favorite softwares, and distros In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200302272018.h1RKILp13689@anon.securenym.net> Yao-Ying Chien wrote: > Hi, > > My 1st Linux was Redhat 4.0 (1993?), then I haven't done much since then. Lately, I wish to refresh the programing languages I learned (C++, Java, Perls, MIPS, FROTRAN), and learn some new ones as well (Python, tcl, CGI, parallel computing, mySQL, ). Things have changed so much since RH 4.0. What are your favorite softwares? Could you guys please share with me, so that I know where to start and enjoy? > > Your opinions on distributions (Rehhat, Mandrake, etc.)? Which one to start? And which one is more tolerant as I have difficulties in installing RH 7.3 on a Compaq computer: Presario, P-III 450MHz, desktop, made in 1998 (?). > > Pointers are great. > > Thanks, > > Yao Oh boy, I smell a flame-fest coming on. :P I use Slackware, but it's not really the best distro to start with unless your goal is to learn from the bottom up. The most often cited distros for new users are Red Hat and Mandrake. As for other software, well, the sky is the limit. Find something that looks interesting and run with it. I use the GNOME 2 desktop environment and the Mozilla web browser most often in my daily routine. Tcl is my language of choice for simple application development. (Still learning C.) Python is purported to be good. If web development is one of your goals, a good first stop might be PHP. --Charles Ulrich -- http://www.bityard.net From exfed@hotmail.com Thu Feb 27 20:26:27 2003 From: exfed@hotmail.com (Ex Fed) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:26:27 +0000 Subject: [GLLUG] Oxidation on Contacts Message-ID: >>BTW, reseating can often mean more than just unplugging and reinserting >>one time. As oxidation on the contacts is usually what you're fighting >>it is good to shove the cards in and out of the slot several times - >the >>friction of repeated actions will generally be enough to clean off the >>oxidation for another year or so. Another thing you can do to remove the oxidation is to lightly go over the contacts of a card with a pencil eraser. Making sure you brush away the particles before inserting the card in the slot. Lee D. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From szumlins@mac.com Thu Feb 27 20:31:21 2003 From: szumlins@mac.com (Mike Szumlinski) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:31:21 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] your favorite softwares, and distros In-Reply-To: <87lm01sdt5.fsf@pfaff.Stanford.EDU> Message-ID: <6EFEC1CA-4A92-11D7-B074-00039344E5B6@mac.com> I thought that about a year ago everyone sort of agreed that this was a *nix group since there were quite a few of us that didn't actually run linux. Maybe I was wrong though. I haven't actually run linux proper in over 3 years (been all FreeBSD/MacOS X) -Mike On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 02:50 PM, Ben Pfaff wrote: > You're recommending a BSD on a Linux users group mailing list? > That seems antisocial at best. From danceswithcrows@usa.net Thu Feb 27 20:45:30 2003 From: danceswithcrows@usa.net (Matt Graham) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:45:30 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] your favorite softwares, and distros In-Reply-To: <87lm01sdt5.fsf@pfaff.Stanford.EDU> References: <20030227144312.A91977@netophilia.net> <87lm01sdt5.fsf@pfaff.Stanford.EDU> Message-ID: <200302271545.30898.danceswithcrows@usa.net> On Thursday 27 February 2003 14:50, after a long battle with technology, Ben Pfaff wrote: > Daniel writes: > > Does it need to be linux? > > If not, I recommend running a BSD, FreeBSD being the easiest to > > get going. Try out version 4.7, since 5.0 was just released and > > probably has more bugs. > > You're recommending a BSD on a Linux users group mailing list? > That seems antisocial at best. Eh, there are *BSD users here too. I would disagree on *BSD being easier to install than a modern Linux distro; the *BSD team has gone for a total bare-bones, text-only, expert-oriented approach in their installer that mimics what you found in a Linux distro in 1998-1999. I haven't installed a *BSD in over a year, things might have changed. As far as hardware support goes, it's six of one and half-a-dozen of the other. -- The night passed like a kidney stone: painfully and with the help of major sedatives. --T. Delgado, Lyttle Lytton winner, 2001 There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see From drk@netophilia.net Thu Feb 27 20:58:17 2003 From: drk@netophilia.net (Daniel) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:58:17 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] your favorite softwares, and distros In-Reply-To: <200302271545.30898.danceswithcrows@usa.net>; from danceswithcrows@usa.net on Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 03:45:30PM -0500 References: <20030227144312.A91977@netophilia.net> <87lm01sdt5.fsf@pfaff.Stanford.EDU> <200302271545.30898.danceswithcrows@usa.net> Message-ID: <20030227155817.A92073@netophilia.net> I agree. This is a *NIX users group per popular decree, but I was not saying it was easier to install than linux, just that FreeBSD was the easiest BSD to install, and that BSD as a whole is much better than linux IMHO Matt Graham extolled: > On Thursday 27 February 2003 14:50, after a long battle with technology, > Ben Pfaff wrote: > > Daniel writes: > > > Does it need to be linux? > > > If not, I recommend running a BSD, FreeBSD being the easiest to > > > get going. Try out version 4.7, since 5.0 was just released and > > > probably has more bugs. > > > > You're recommending a BSD on a Linux users group mailing list? > > That seems antisocial at best. > > Eh, there are *BSD users here too. > > I would disagree on *BSD being easier to install than a modern Linux > distro; the *BSD team has gone for a total bare-bones, text-only, > expert-oriented approach in their installer that mimics what you found > in a Linux distro in 1998-1999. I haven't installed a *BSD in over a > year, things might have changed. As far as hardware support goes, it's > six of one and half-a-dozen of the other. > > -- > The night passed like a kidney stone: painfully and with the help of > major sedatives. --T. Delgado, Lyttle Lytton winner, 2001 > There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -- --- Dan From katz@underlevel.net Thu Feb 27 23:50:43 2003 From: katz@underlevel.net (Yarden Katz) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:50:43 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] your favorite softwares, and distros In-Reply-To: (Yao-Ying Chien's message of "Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:22:12 -0500") References: Message-ID: <86vfz5uvu4.fsf@underlevel.net> Yao-Ying Chien writes: > Hi, > > My 1st Linux was Redhat 4.0 (1993?), then I haven't done much since > then. Lately, I wish to refresh the programing languages I learned > (C++, Java, Perls, MIPS, FROTRAN), and learn some new ones as well > (Python, tcl, CGI, parallel computing, mySQL, suggestions>). Things have changed so much since RH 4.0. What are > your favorite softwares? Could you guys please share with me, so > that I know where to start and enjoy? > > Your opinions on distributions (Rehhat, Mandrake, etc.)? Which one > to start? And which one is more tolerant as I have difficulties in > installing RH 7.3 on a Compaq computer: Presario, P-III 450MHz, > desktop, made in 1998 (?). > > Pointers are great. > > Thanks, > > Yao Hi Yao, I'm no expert, but in my opinion, there will not be much difference between the popular Linux distributions for the type of software development that you suggested. MySQL will run on anything, and all the compilers/interpreters for the languages that you mentioned are readily available for all the distributions. With this in mind, I think you should pick the distribution that will be easiest for you to use, configure and install software on. My suggestion is Debian. I have never installed Debian myself from scratch--my friend did it for me when I was just starting out--so I cannot speak about the installation process. However, I can tell you that upgrading and installing software on Debian could not be easier. Debian's package management system, apt, is almost infallible and it's great to work with. Installing complex software with many dependencies is a breeze, whereas with Red Hat (I used Red Hat when it was 6.0) it was hell. Upgrading Debian itself from the old potato to woody took less than an hour and the process was error-free. This is a huge advantage and that a lot of other distributions don't have. In addition, and this is very important, Debian is being developed by a group of extremely dedicated and intelligent programmers that are very quick to fix all sorts of bugs in the system. Debian's users are also very dedicated and this shows in the well-put-together apt packages that are produced for almost every popular and significant piece of software. In any case, when you make your selection of what distribution to get, don't let the installation process influence your choice. Sure, it is a minor consideration, but if you're having that much difficulty installing a distro you can always get help from a user group, or online. I never heard of anyone who wanted to install some Linux distro and couldn't (not including hardware incompatibility cases.) As far as programming languages go, learn Lisp. -- Yarden Katz | Mind the gap From jclii@yahoo.com Fri Feb 28 01:06:52 2003 From: jclii@yahoo.com (J. C. LAMACCHIA JR.) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:06:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GLLUG] your favorite softwares, and distros In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030228010652.87438.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Yao, My favorite is Mandrake. I have it installed on three computers including a Toshiba 2250CDS laptop. One machine is using Mandrake 8.1 and the other two, including the laptop, use Mandrake 9.0 . It installs easily and works well as a desktop. I have not had any problem installing updates either. I recommend it highly. I have also used and installed Turbolinux, Caldera Linux, and Red Hat. I took me quite me quite a while to install both Turbolinux and Caldera but that was about three years ago and I wasn't too familiar with Linux at that time. I don't know if they have improved. I found Red Hat installed quite easily but not as easily as Mandrake. I would also recommend Red Hat. One of my machines dual boots Mandrake and FreeBSD 4.6 . FreeBSD is a bit difficult to install at first but with experience I have found installation to be direct, flexible, and logical. JIM LAMACCHIA --- Yao-Ying Chien > Hi, > > My 1st Linux was Redhat 4.0 (1993?), then I haven't > one much since then. Lately, I wish to refresh the > programing languages I learned (C++, Java, Perls, > MIPS, FROTRAN), and learn some new ones as well > (Python, tcl, CGI, parallel computing, mySQL, > ). Things have changed so > much since RH 4.0. What are your favorite softwares? > Could you guys please share with me, so that I know > where to start and enjoy? > > Your opinions on distributions (Rehhat, Mandrake, > etc.)? Which one to start? And which one is more > tolerant as I have difficulties in installing RH 7.3 > on a Compaq computer: Presario, P-III 450MHz, > desktop, made in 1998 (?). > > Pointers are great. > > Thanks, > > Yao > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From jo@groupinfo.com Fri Feb 28 01:41:47 2003 From: jo@groupinfo.com (Jo Dillon) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:41:47 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] your favorite softwares, and distros In-Reply-To: <86vfz5uvu4.fsf@underlevel.net>; from katz@underlevel.net on Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 06:50:43PM -0500 References: <86vfz5uvu4.fsf@underlevel.net> Message-ID: <20030227204147.A10429@iceborg> On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 06:50:43PM -0500, Yarden Katz wrote: > Yao-Ying Chien writes: > > > Hi, > > > > My 1st Linux was Redhat 4.0 (1993?), then I haven't done much since Hmm, I started using Linux in 1995, with Redhat 3.0.3; I think 4.0 would be 1996 or so wouldn't it? -- Jo From jeff@idealso.com Fri Feb 28 07:46:10 2003 From: jeff@idealso.com (Jeff Lawton) Date: 28 Feb 2003 02:46:10 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] your favorite softwares, and distros In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1046418370.1948.11.camel@server.ltsp> For a simple and flexible linux distro I recommend knoppix it is based on Debian so you get the advantages of the apt system and auto detects most software. Once you boot off the CD open a shell and type in sudo /usr/local/bin/knx-hdinstall you will be prompted with dialog boxes that walk you through the install process. one point however you will need at least 2.5GB of space for the install and on the first boot you will need to change the language from German to English unless you type in knoppix lang=us at the boot prompt of the CD boot. For a full how to go to: http://www.freenet.org.nz/misc/knoppix-install.html On Thu, 2003-02-27 at 11:22, Yao-Ying Chien wrote: > Hi, > > My 1st Linux was Redhat 4.0 (1993?), then I haven't done much since then. Lately, I wish to refresh the programing languages I learned (C++, Java, Perls, MIPS, FROTRAN), and learn some new ones as well (Python, tcl, CGI, parallel computing, mySQL, ). Things have changed so much since RH 4.0. What are your favorite softwares? Could you guys please share with me, so that I know where to start and enjoy? > > Your opinions on distributions (Rehhat, Mandrake, etc.)? Which one to start? And which one is more tolerant as I have difficulties in installing RH 7.3 on a Compaq computer: Presario, P-III 450MHz, desktop, made in 1998 (?). > > Pointers are great. > > Thanks, > > Yao > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -- Jeff Lawton Ideal Solution, LLC www.idealso.com 517.669.4235 From PMelson@sequoianet.com Fri Feb 28 13:44:28 2003 From: PMelson@sequoianet.com (Melson, Paul) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 08:44:28 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] your favorite softwares, and distros Message-ID: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E54FDF76@lansingemail.seqnt.com> I couldn't find anything to substantiate the claim I am about to make, but I believe that RedHat 2.0 (which was kernel 1.2.x) came out in spring of '95 as the 1st official RedHat release. Prior to that, Marc Ewing worked on a distro called Mothers' Day Linux, which would've been available some time in '93-94. I personally never used it, so I don't know if it was kernel 0.9x or 1.0.x. At that time, Slackware was so far ahead of all of the other Linux distros, people only ran other distributions out of [morbid] curiosity. :-) I didn't use RedHat for the first time until 4.1 came out, which was released in spring of '97, and promptly went back to Slackware. :-) That was 6 years ago, though, and RedHat has gotten a lot of industry support and significantly improved their distro - over the last 3 years, especially. PaulM -----Original Message----- From: Jo Dillon [mailto:jo@groupinfo.com] Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 8:42 PM To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu Subject: Re: [GLLUG] your favorite softwares, and distros On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 06:50:43PM -0500, Yarden Katz wrote: > Yao-Ying Chien writes: > > > Hi, > > > > My 1st Linux was Redhat 4.0 (1993?), then I haven't done much since Hmm, I started using Linux in 1995, with Redhat 3.0.3; I think 4.0 would be 1996 or so wouldn't it? -- Jo _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user@egr.msu.edu http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From nalkunda@cse.msu.edu Wed Feb 26 18:07:03 2003 From: nalkunda@cse.msu.edu (N N Ashok) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:07:03 -0500 Subject: [GLLUG] Scanning MAC address for IP In-Reply-To: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E54FDF72@lansingemail.seqnt.com> References: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E54FDF72@lansingemail.seqnt.com> Message-ID: <200302261307.03605.nalkunda@cse.msu.edu> On Wednesday 26 February 2003 08:51, Melson, Paul wrote: > A cheesy way to do this is to run `nmap -sP [network]/[mask]` and then > run `arp -a | grep -i [MAC address]` to see if you hit on anything. > Perhaps a better, but slower, way is to use tcpdump or snoop and filter > captured packets for the MAC address you're curious about. Keep in mind > that if you're connected to a routed network, the MAC address you are > seeing may be that of a router interface connected to your LAN, so the > MAC address may not the best way to track traffic back to a host. > > PaulM > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Szumlinski [mailto:szumlins@mac.com] > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 6:47 PM > To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu > Subject: [GLLUG] Scanning MAC address for IP > > > Does anyone know how to scan a known MAC address to see what IP it has? > Is there a nifty *nix tool that does this and I don't know how to? > > -Mike > Instead of running ping or nmap or other tools to send out traffic, using arpwatch could be an idea. It will record the arp packets being sent out on the network and log them in /var/log/messages as well as mail it to the root. Here is an example from my messages file: Feb 26 12:42:17 elans-pc arpwatch: new station 192.168.1.1 0:60:97:d8:ab:c8 Feb 26 12:42:17 elans-pc arpwatch: new station 192.168.1.98 0:1:3:2e:2e:ee So grepping the /var/log/messages for the ethernet address should give you the results. Hope that helps. Ashok