[GLLUG] RE: linux-user Digest, Vol 56, Issue 15
Ex Fed
exfed at hotmail.com
Sat Dec 8 20:17:06 EST 2007
I love this:
"Running Linux? Are you completely out of your mind. That thing is a
rip-off. It comes with no viruses, no Trojans, no malware , etc ......."
I can agree it comes with no rootkits either.
They are after market options right?
LD
> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 21:54:24 -0500
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> Subject: linux-user Digest, Vol 56, Issue 15
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> 1. Re: Triple Boot and Grub? (L Inbody)
> 2. Looking for advice / recommendations (Frank Dolinar)
> 3. Re: STILL! Re: [GLLUG] desktop freezing?? (Richard Houser)
> 4. Re: STILL! Re: [GLLUG] desktop freezing?? (Richard Houser)
> 5. Re: Looking for advice / recommendations (Richard Houser)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:30:11 -0500
> From: "L Inbody" <linbody at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Triple Boot and Grub?
> To: c.e.tower at gmail.com
> Cc: linux-user at egr.msu.edu
> Message-ID:
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> H.P. puts a restore partition on the hard drive that can either be accessed
> by hitting F11 during boot (didn't work) and once booted into windows you
> can use their wizard to burn a DVD recovery disk.
>
> On Dec 7, 2007 11:08 AM, Chick Tower <c.e.tower at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Is this restore disk a CD-ROM or DVD-ROM, or is it a partition on the
> > hard drive?
> >
> > Chick
> >
> >
> > L Inbody wrote:
> > > I have set up dual boot in the same config many times with Dells but
> > never an
> > > HP yet. If anyone ever does this, make sure you burn the restore disk
> > > first! I had forgotten that was a must for HP, $28 later....and an old
> > Win
> > > 98SE cd for the fdisk /mbr was the only way the recovery disk would
> > work.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Running Linux? Are you completely out of your mind. That thing is a
> rip-off. It comes with no viruses, no Trojans, no malware , etc .......
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:08:28 -0500
> From: Frank Dolinar <frank.dolinar at comcast.net>
> Subject: [GLLUG] Looking for advice / recommendations
> To: linux-user at egr.msu.edu
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> Hi, everybody,
> It was nice to see you all last night.
> I'm looking for an interactive HTML editor that I can use either on
> Linux or on my Mac. I've found a couple that claim this capability, but
> I'm interested in hearing what you have used, what you would recommend,
> and why.
> Please advise.
>
> Thanks,
> Frank
>
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> * PO Box 886 517.351.1899 *
> * East Lansing, MI 48826-0886 *
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:38:16 -0500
> From: Richard Houser <rick at divinesymphony.net>
> Subject: Re: STILL! Re: [GLLUG] desktop freezing??
> To: "STeve Andre'" <andres at msu.edu>
> Cc: linux-user at egr.msu.edu
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> Personally, I think this attempt is a little bit backwards. Not having
> an intermittent problem doesn't prove anything, but being able to
> consistently repeat a problem does. Instead of trying to diagnose the
> lack of a potential heat problem, try to reproduce it. You can do
> simple things like unplug all but the chipset and power supply fans,
> place the computer in a hot area, and wrap it in towels (everywhere but
> exhaust or air intake areas) to minimize the case's ability to radiate
> heat. For starting this test at room temperature, your system SHOULD be
> able to keep up without issue. If you are experiencing overheating, you
> should be able to reproduce the issue very reliably if it is truly heat
> related. If this doesn't change the frequency of the problem a LOT
> (i.e. happening ten times as often), that isn't your underlying problem.
>
> STeve Andre' wrote:
> > On Thursday 06 December 2007 19:37:05 Benjamin Cathey wrote:
> >>> ->> Try posting copies of the complete /var/log/dmesg and the section of
> >>> ->> /var/log/messages from about the last 10 minutes before the freeze
> >>> until ->> you shut it down or reboot. If you have logins and things in
> >>> these ->> logs, you might want to blank out IPs, usernames, etc. This
> >>> will end up ->> in public archives after all, so it's a good idea to
> >>> review them.
> >> I am not sure when it is happening or what to be looking for - everything
> >> seemed fine after the new power supply and now it is happening again. The
> >> only thing I can figure is it MUST be overheating because it was running
> >> fine with the new power supply until I put the case cover back on.
> >>
> >> I turned the fans up to 'medium' speed - that SHOULD be enough.
> >>
> >> Where can I check to see if an overheat caused this??
> >
> > You are probably onto something. I would run the computer for several
> > days with the cover off, to make sure that it is indeed a temperature
> > related problem. If you can then see freezes after putting the cover
> > back on you'll have a good idea, but only if the computer is rock solid.
> > I'd use a week to determine this.
> >
> > If this is the case, you have a part which is partly OK. As long as its
> > cold it's happy. These things are a bitch to debug. It might not even
> > be the motherboard, though I'd bet that it is. At this point I think I'd
> > try to find an identical motherboard and swap it out. You can easily
> > spend 50 hours tracking something like this down. An infra-red heat
> > imaging camera is useful for this. I once had a friend who's company
> > had one and I got permission to take a problematic radio there, and
> > found that a tiny resistor in the receiver was getting too hot and
> > causing distortion. If I hadn't had the camera it would have taken a
> > long tme to figure that out.
> >
> > Have you run something like memtest86 on the unit with the case on?
> > If it doesn't crash but finds errors that will say something. If you're
> > running with multiple sodimms or whatever, try running with just one.
> >
> > --STeve Andre'
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:46:40 -0500
> From: Richard Houser <rick at divinesymphony.net>
> Subject: Re: STILL! Re: [GLLUG] desktop freezing??
> To: Charles Ulrich <charles at bityard.net>
> Cc: linux-user at egr.msu.edu
> Message-ID: <475A0590.7050904 at divinesymphony.net>
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> Bring this in to a meeting. Thermal paste or a patch of the phase
> change heat transfer material is only good for one application. Gather
> a couple bags, a small roll of paper towels, a couple Q-tips, some
> isopropyl alcohol, whatever tools you need to re-attach the heat sink
> (normally just a regular screwdriver), and bring the machine into a
> meeting. Let me know a couple days in advance and I can bring in some
> thermal transfer compound (Arctic Silver), check the heat sinks, and
> remount them. You can even hang out in the back if you like :).
>
> Charles Ulrich wrote:
> > One thing you can try that hasn't yet been suggested is reattaching
> > the heat sink to the CPU. If this was done incorrectly, heat from the
> > CPU won't be transferred effectively to the heat sink and the
> > processor could be overheating. One way you can check if your CPU is
> > overheating is by installing some software that monitors the various
> > temperature sensors on your system. I use gkrellm, but there are
> > countless others. Many newer motherboards can monitor various chips on
> > the board as and ambient case temperature as well.
> >
> > Charles
> >
> > On Dec 7, 2007 8:30 AM, Benjamin Cathey
> > <benjamincathey at catheycompany.com> wrote:
> >> Well, I had it for a week with the cover off and it was fine. The day after I put the cover on it froze - and again the next day. I guess I can turn the variable speed fans up to high but that kind of defeats the purpose of having spent the money on switchable speed fans. Like I said, my Proc has a Zalman Huge heatsink and a Fan that mounts above it (on a bracket that attaches to the card screws - it seemed fine before. Maybe the video card is overheating? It's a 512MB Nvidia GeForce - Nice card - actually has it's own power supply hook up.
> >>
> >> Either way I guess I can turn up the fans to high and see. Can't really afford a new MB and Proc right now.
> >>
> >> Let me ask this though - If you swap MB, Proc and RAM to something newer - how does Linux handle this change if I just plug the old HDD back in? Will it see everything as okay (Using Ubuntu?) - It took forever to get the configuration right and the software installed and I don't really want to reinstall everything again.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Benjamin Cathey
> >> System Administrator
> >> Cathey Company
> >> 4917 Tranter St.
> >> Lansing, MI 48910 USA
> >> Phone: 517.393.4720
> >> Fax: 517.393.4225
> >> Toll Free: 800.333.1972
> >> "Service is Our Profession"
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: STeve Andre'
> >> [mailto:andres at msu.edu]
> >> To: linux-user at egr.msu.edu
> >> Cc: Benjamin Cathey
> >> [mailto:benjamincathey at catheycompany.com]
> >> Sent: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:52:39
> >> -0500
> >> Subject: Re: STILL! Re: [GLLUG] desktop freezing??
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> ->> On Thursday 06 December 2007 19:37:05 Benjamin Cathey wrote:
> >>> ->> > >->> Try posting copies of the complete /var/log/dmesg and the section of
> >>> ->> > >->> /var/log/messages from about the last 10 minutes before the freeze
> >>> ->> > > until ->> you shut it down or reboot. If you have logins and things in
> >>> ->> > > these ->> logs, you might want to blank out IPs, usernames, etc. This
> >>> ->> > > will end up ->> in public archives after all, so it's a good idea to
> >>> ->> > > review them.
> >>> ->> >
> >>> ->> > I am not sure when it is happening or what to be looking for - everything
> >>> ->> > seemed fine after the new power supply and now it is happening again. The
> >>> ->> > only thing I can figure is it MUST be overheating because it was running
> >>> ->> > fine with the new power supply until I put the case cover back on.
> >>> ->> >
> >>> ->> > I turned the fans up to 'medium' speed - that SHOULD be enough.
> >>> ->> >
> >>> ->> > Where can I check to see if an overheat caused this??
> >>> ->>
> >>> ->> You are probably onto something. I would run the computer for several
> >>> ->> days with the cover off, to make sure that it is indeed a temperature
> >>> ->> related problem. If you can then see freezes after putting the cover
> >>> ->> back on you'll have a good idea, but only if the computer is rock solid.
> >>> ->> I'd use a week to determine this.
> >>> ->>
> >>> ->> If this is the case, you have a part which is partly OK. As long as its
> >>> ->> cold it's happy. These things are a bitch to debug. It might not even
> >>> ->> be the motherboard, though I'd bet that it is. At this point I think I'd
> >>> ->> try to find an identical motherboard and swap it out. You can easily
> >>> ->> spend 50 hours tracking something like this down. An infra-red heat
> >>> ->> imaging camera is useful for this. I once had a friend who's company
> >>> ->> had one and I got permission to take a problematic radio there, and
> >>> ->> found that a tiny resistor in the receiver was getting too hot and
> >>> ->> causing distortion. If I hadn't had the camera it would have taken a
> >>> ->> long tme to figure that out.
> >>> ->>
> >>> ->> Have you run something like memtest86 on the unit with the case on?
> >>> ->> If it doesn't crash but finds errors that will say something. If you're
> >>> ->> running with multiple sodimms or whatever, try running with just one.
> >>> ->>
> >>> ->> --STeve Andre'
> >>> ->>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:53:55 -0500
> From: Richard Houser <rick at divinesymphony.net>
> Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Looking for advice / recommendations
> To: Frank Dolinar <frank.dolinar at comcast.net>
> Cc: linux-user at egr.msu.edu
> Message-ID: <475A0743.3060600 at divinesymphony.net>
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> The only GUI editor I've seen that wasn't complete and total garbage was
> nVu. Even then, when I last looked, it had a LONG way to go. I would
> strongly recommend a text editor. If you are just starting, something
> with syntax highlighting and expansion capabilities would probably be
> best (kwrite or emacs might be good candidates for that).
>
> There really are only about a dozen elements that you should ever be
> dealing with for content, so learning those isn't that big of a deal. I
> doubt you need more than these tags for everything you will ever want to
> do. Even doing it professionally, I rarely get outside of this set:
>
> html, head, body, title, link
> p, span, div
> a
> img
> ul, ol, li
> table, tr, td, th
> h1, h2, h3, h4
> strong, em
>
> Please remember, NONE of your presentation should be done in (X)HTML.
> That is the realm of content only. Your presentation should all be done
> in CSS.
>
> Frank Dolinar wrote:
> > Hi, everybody,
> > It was nice to see you all last night.
> > I'm looking for an interactive HTML editor that I can use either on
> > Linux or on my Mac. I've found a couple that claim this capability, but
> > I'm interested in hearing what you have used, what you would recommend,
> > and why.
> > Please advise.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Frank
> >
> > *================================================================*
> > * Frank Dolinar frank.dolinar at comcast.net *
> > * PO Box 886 517.351.1899 *
> > * East Lansing, MI 48826-0886 *
> > *----------------------------------------------------------------*
> > * Dream big, aim high, shoot for the stars... *
> > * and learn everything you can along the way. *
> > *================================================================*
> >
> >
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