[GLLUG] So the new Macbook Pro...

Wed Jun 13 23:10:41 EDT 2012

1- Batteries on the compares are replaceable for around $100 bucks by a certified tech with free service, try to get an IBM battery(original) for that price… Good luck with that… And one more thing: they last over 1000 cycles, not the 200 that a good IBM battery will...

2- I can take the white iMac apart in 15 minutes(the whole thing), if you can't or can't afford the extra tools, it six to be you…

3- I have a 12 year old PowerMac G4 sitting on a basement running as a web server with over 1100 accounts.. how is that not a long life computer?

4- My oldest daughter's computer is a 5 year old iMac(the white one…) and run EVERYTHING a new Mac can, so it seems you guys are very misinformed…

5- Life cycle of Apple laptops is waaaaayyyyyy longer then any PC laptop BECAUSE they are built better… 

6- Apple computers will outlast any PC in the "hand me down" category..

7- Been smoking that crack pipe since 1979, still happy :D

8- My customers want to be productive, and they are soooo glad they smoke from the same pipe… They can actually spend time making $$$ instead of troubleshooting a shitty OS or geeing out.

9 - Good day! I said GOOD DAY!!! (as Fes from That 70's Show)

Miss you guys! 

On Jun 13, 2012, at 9:25 PM, Marr wrote:

> On Wednesday 13 June 2012 20:34:08 Taylor Burke wrote:
>> Apple is slowly turning the world of computing into a crapshoot. Their new
>> Macbook features a fused display [...]
> 
> Normally, I would not comment on this, given my limited experience with Apple 
> hardware. But, by complete coincidence, just today I happened to be trying to 
> get at the hard disk drive in an iMac (one of the polycarbonate-encased ones 
> with a 20" LCD and a little webcam built in). It turns out to be a friggin' 
> nightmare and I soon decided that it wasn't worth the effort.
> 
> For starters, there are 6 screws on the bottom of the monitor (which is where 
> the HDD is ensconsed -- deeply, as it turns out) that have to be removed. No 
> problem, but slightly odd that 2 are Phillips and 4 require a #9 Torx. (Yes, I 
> know why they do that, but it's still annoying.) Then, of the 4 Torx screws, 1 
> is slightly longer than the other 3 so make sure you're paying close attention 
> as you remove them because, unlike my 12-year-old Toshiba Satellite laptop 
> which I recently disassembled, the position for the longer screw is not marked 
> near the hole in any fashion. And the longer screw seats easily in 2 of the 4 
> holes, so just hope that it's not shorting anything out if you happen to pick 
> the wrong 1 of the 2!
> 
> The next obstacle to the HDD access comes with the plastic surrounding the 
> LCD, which cannot be easily removed because there are 2 hard-to-access 
> interior clips inside at the top (which I only learned about after trying to 
> remove the plastic, encountering resistance, and watching a 7-minute YouTube 
> video that only covered removal of the outer plastic, not even getting 
> anywhere close to the HDD access/removal!). Releasing those clips requires 
> what us mechanically inclined types would call an SST (Special Shop Tool). 
> It's $30 at Apple, but discontinued. YouTube has a video about how to make one 
> from an old credit card, so get out a pot of boiling water, some tongs, and 3 
> old CD jewel cases. (Don't forget the old credit card!  I actually have a 
> couple of those for cracking the cases of things like remote controls and 
> briefly considered making this SST.)
> 
> However, at that point, before wasting too much (more) time on this endeavor, 
> I figured I should dig a little deeper and found this website showing the 
> involved process just to get access to the HDD:
> 
>   http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Repair/iMac-Intel-20-Inch-EMC-2105-and-2118-
> Hard-Drive-Replacement/1092/1
> 
> That's an excellent guide, but still... "No, thank you", Apple.  Anyone 
> contemplating an Apple purchase and ever wanting to repair or upgrade should 
> take a good look at all 23 steps involved in that guide. I sure hope that's 
> atypical for Apple, but I think I know better, based on what I've heard over 
> the years and continue to hear, right up to today's thread-starter.
> 
> On Wednesday 13 June 2012 20:44:24 Eduardo Cesconetto wrote:
>> We call it innovation for those who want innovation
> 
> That's what Microsoft called it too. It doesn't make what they do innovative. 
> Or useful. Seeing that nightmare just to get a peek at the HDD made me swear 
> off ever buying any Apple product. I'm glad that this iMac is a loaner and that 
> it never cost me a dime because I'd be rather annoyed (correction, "more 
> annoyed") right now.
> 
> On Wednesday 13 June 2012 21:22:31 Eduardo Cesconetto wrote:
>> Upgrading RAM to the same motherboard is a waste of time and effort for
>> most people, maybe not for us geeks, dweebs, nerds, etc… Do you believe a
>> lawyer, dentist, doctor, engineer o any other professional would spend
>> time even thinking of gaining 3.765% speed by replacing RAM?
> 
> Funny you mention RAM. That's the _ONLY_ thing on this iMac that's easy to 
> upgrade! Not counting the mouse or the keyboard, of course. :^)  There are 2 
> Phillips screws and a couple of pop-out levers to leverage out the RAM. If so 
> few people upgrade the RAM, then why is that the thing that they make so easy 
> to upgrade? Yeah, I know you're talking laptop and I'm talking desktop, but I 
> think the point is still applicable.
> 
> On Wednesday 13 June 2012 21:22:31 Eduardo Cesconetto wrote:
>> Think about Taylor, if you are not building your PC and you decide to buy a
>> brand name one, it'll have a warranty seal on it, so technically, you
>> can't upgrade that unless you WANT to void your warranty…
> 
> Huh?!? The last 2 laptops I bought (both Toshiba, but I have no affiliation with 
> them) had easily accessible doors to upgrade the RAM with no warranty-voiding 
> whatsoever.  Just how long have you been smoking the Apple crack-pipe, 
> Eduardo?
> 
> Still, I'm glad that Apple is out there for some competition. And, of course, 
> people are free to buy what they like. Some people never even think about 
> touching the "innards" -- more power to them if that is what they want/like 
> and can live with and/or are willing to pay Apple to repair/upgrade. But I'm a 
> DIY guy deep in the core and just cannot fathom such unmaintainable and 
> (effectively) non-upgrade-able hardware. Reasonably easy RAM and HDD access is 
> _required_ on even a laptop PC and especially on a desktop PC. And yes, I'm 
> old enough to remember when even Apples were called PCs and I still consider 
> them PCs.
> 
> Bill
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