[GLLUG] MAC OS9

[Sean O'Malley]

They cut down the chattiness with OS 8.1 I think it was. It is actually
less chatty then Windows was at the same time period.

The Appletalk client on OS 8.5+ will autonegotiate between straight
Appletalk and Appletalk/tcpip and will by default choose tcp/ip if it is
available if you leave Appletalk/ethertalk enabled on the server. (tcp/ip
is faster then ethertalk on the same network by like 2x, and it is a nice
speed boost.)

I don't think OS X supports ethertalk anymore so this will be part of your
upgrade path anyway. OS X uses Zeroconf, rendezvous. (they renamed it for
legal reasons to something else..) but essentially that is the replacement
for the finding of services on the network instead of running ethertalk
it uses tcpip. However, it is not supported on 9.x and you are kind of
stuck.

If you are dead set against the chattiness of Appletalk/ethertalk.. You
can drop and someone may correct me but I think it is the "Apple File
Sharing" extension from OS 9. However, before you do this, you will also
have to have lpr printing configured on your network (which isn't hard.)
as Nothing will show up in the Chooser.  You will still have tcp/ip
network services available, but you have to find them. =) The individual
machines just won't be probing the network to find the new services
automatically. This might not pose a problem for you but it might for your
users if they are used to going to the chooser to select printers. You
have to use the Desktop Printers of which you can script out to set up.
or they are used to mounting their individual file space off the server.

I kind of winged through that in a hurry, so if that doesn't totally make
sense ask or it is confusing ask. I am not the most eloquent writer to
begin with. =)

Sean



On Fri, 8 Jul 2005, David D wrote:

> Appletalk is kinda a scarry thought with 80 Macs all on a flat network
> (along with 500 other devices).  Is there an issue with it being chatty?
>
> These machines are slated to be updated to OSx by end of August and Netatalk
> seems like it would be the easiest to implement and de-implement but the
> traffic has me a little worried...
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matt Graham" <danceswithcrows at usa.net>
> To: <linux-user at egr.msu.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 5:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [GLLUG] MAC OS9
>
>
> > On Thursday 07 July 2005 16:45, after a long battle with technology,
> > David D wrote:
> > > Can anyone talk me through connecting MAC's running OS9 to my SUSE
> > > box through Samba or whatever I would use for file access?
> > > What I know so far is that APPLE states I need a third party
> > > software...
> >
> > Yep.  If you want to use Samba, DAVE client for MacOS 9 seems to work
> > pretty well.  It's payware.
> >
> > If you want to use Appletalk (requires no payware on the Mac end), then
> > you have to install netatalk on the Linux machine, edit some files
> > in /etc/atalk/ , and "/etc/init.d/atalk start".  This is a decent
> > solution, but netatalk's documentation is kind of obscure.  There are
> > also *no* utilities for diagnosing atalk problems on Linux, nor are
> > there any working kernel- or user-space utilities for Linux that allow
> > you to mount Appletalk-shared filesystems.  (I guess this is because
> > Appletalk isn't run over IP, and everything else you see these days
> > *is*.)
> >
> > > And no OSX is not an option at this time...
> >
> > MacOS 9 has essentially been abandoned.  (Good riddance; there's no
> > excuse for cooperative multitasking and no memory protection.)  If you
> > wish to continue using Macs, you will eventually be forced into using
> > OS X, if only because the programs you need to run will not be
> > available for MacOS 9.  HTH,
> >
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