[GLLUG] So the new Macbook Pro...

[Bryan Laur]

(1)Source for $100 replacement for battery?

(3-4) Did you upgrade them ram on either of those machines?
If you did, they are sort of out of the scope of discussion.

(5) Thats interesting, because I know multiple people whose apple laptops
crapped out of them.
Especially the first/second gen macbook airs.


On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:10 PM, Eduardo Cesconetto <eduardo at cesconetto.com
> wrote:

> 1- Batteries on the compares are replaceable for around $100 bucks by a
> certified tech with free service, try to get an IBM battery(original) for
> that price… Good luck with that… And one more thing: they last over 1000
> cycles, not the 200 that a good IBM battery will...
>
> 2- I can take the white iMac apart in 15 minutes(the whole thing), if you
> can't or can't afford the extra tools, it six to be you…
>
> 3- I have a 12 year old PowerMac G4 sitting on a basement running as a web
> server with over 1100 accounts.. how is that not a long life computer?
>

>
4- My oldest daughter's computer is a 5 year old iMac(the white one…) and
> run EVERYTHING a new Mac can, so it seems you guys are very misinformed…
>
> 5- Life cycle of Apple laptops is waaaaayyyyyy longer then any PC laptop
> BECAUSE they are built better…
>
> 6- Apple computers will outlast any PC in the "hand me down" category..
>
> 7- Been smoking that crack pipe since 1979, still happy :D
>
> 8- My customers want to be productive, and they are soooo glad they smoke
> from the same pipe… They can actually spend time making $$$ instead of
> troubleshooting a shitty OS or geeing out.
>
> 9 - Good day! I said GOOD DAY!!! (as Fes from That 70's Show)
>
> [image: Profile Picture]
>
> Miss you guys!
>
>
> On Jun 13, 2012, at 9:25 PM, Marr wrote:
>
> On Wednesday 13 June 2012 20:34:08 Taylor Burke wrote:
>
> Apple is slowly turning the world of computing into a crapshoot. Their new
>
> Macbook features a fused display [...]
>
>
> Normally, I would not comment on this, given my limited experience with
> Apple
> hardware. But, by complete coincidence, just today I happened to be trying
> to
> get at the hard disk drive in an iMac (one of the polycarbonate-encased
> ones
> with a 20" LCD and a little webcam built in). It turns out to be a
> friggin'
> nightmare and I soon decided that it wasn't worth the effort.
>
> For starters, there are 6 screws on the bottom of the monitor (which is
> where
> the HDD is ensconsed -- deeply, as it turns out) that have to be removed.
> No
> problem, but slightly odd that 2 are Phillips and 4 require a #9 Torx.
> (Yes, I
> know why they do that, but it's still annoying.) Then, of the 4 Torx
> screws, 1
> is slightly longer than the other 3 so make sure you're paying close
> attention
> as you remove them because, unlike my 12-year-old Toshiba Satellite laptop
> which I recently disassembled, the position for the longer screw is not
> marked
> near the hole in any fashion. And the longer screw seats easily in 2 of
> the 4
> holes, so just hope that it's not shorting anything out if you happen to
> pick
> the wrong 1 of the 2!
>
> The next obstacle to the HDD access comes with the plastic surrounding the
> LCD, which cannot be easily removed because there are 2 hard-to-access
> interior clips inside at the top (which I only learned about after trying
> to
> remove the plastic, encountering resistance, and watching a 7-minute
> YouTube
> video that only covered removal of the outer plastic, not even getting
> anywhere close to the HDD access/removal!). Releasing those clips requires
> what us mechanically inclined types would call an SST (Special Shop Tool).
> It's $30 at Apple, but discontinued. YouTube has a video about how to make
> one
> from an old credit card, so get out a pot of boiling water, some tongs,
> and 3
> old CD jewel cases. (Don't forget the old credit card!  I actually have a
> couple of those for cracking the cases of things like remote controls and
> briefly considered making this SST.)
>
> However, at that point, before wasting too much (more) time on this
> endeavor,
> I figured I should dig a little deeper and found this website showing the
> involved process just to get access to the HDD:
>
>   http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Repair/iMac-Intel-20-Inch-EMC-2105-and-2118-
> Hard-Drive-Replacement/1092/1
>
> That's an excellent guide, but still... "No, thank you", Apple.  Anyone
> contemplating an Apple purchase and ever wanting to repair or upgrade
> should
> take a good look at all 23 steps involved in that guide. I sure hope
> that's
> atypical for Apple, but I think I know better, based on what I've heard
> over
> the years and continue to hear, right up to today's thread-starter.
>
> On Wednesday 13 June 2012 20:44:24 Eduardo Cesconetto wrote:
>
> We call it innovation for those who want innovation
>
>
> That's what Microsoft called it too. It doesn't make what they do
> innovative.
> Or useful. Seeing that nightmare just to get a peek at the HDD made me
> swear
> off ever buying any Apple product. I'm glad that this iMac is a loaner and
> that
> it never cost me a dime because I'd be rather annoyed (correction, "more
> annoyed") right now.
>
> On Wednesday 13 June 2012 21:22:31 Eduardo Cesconetto wrote:
>
> Upgrading RAM to the same motherboard is a waste of time and effort for
>
> most people, maybe not for us geeks, dweebs, nerds, etc… Do you believe a
>
> lawyer, dentist, doctor, engineer o any other professional would spend
>
> time even thinking of gaining 3.765% speed by replacing RAM?
>
>
> Funny you mention RAM. That's the _ONLY_ thing on this iMac that's easy to
> upgrade! Not counting the mouse or the keyboard, of course. :^)  There are
> 2
> Phillips screws and a couple of pop-out levers to leverage out the RAM. If
> so
> few people upgrade the RAM, then why is that the thing that they make so
> easy
> to upgrade? Yeah, I know you're talking laptop and I'm talking desktop,
> but I
> think the point is still applicable.
>
> On Wednesday 13 June 2012 21:22:31 Eduardo Cesconetto wrote:
>
> Think about Taylor, if you are not building your PC and you decide to buy a
>
> brand name one, it'll have a warranty seal on it, so technically, you
>
> can't upgrade that unless you WANT to void your warranty…
>
>
> Huh?!? The last 2 laptops I bought (both Toshiba, but I have no
> affiliation with
> them) had easily accessible doors to upgrade the RAM with no
> warranty-voiding
> whatsoever.  Just how long have you been smoking the Apple crack-pipe,
> Eduardo?
>
> Still, I'm glad that Apple is out there for some competition. And, of
> course,
> people are free to buy what they like. Some people never even think about
> touching the "innards" -- more power to them if that is what they
> want/like
> and can live with and/or are willing to pay Apple to repair/upgrade. But
> I'm a
> DIY guy deep in the core and just cannot fathom such unmaintainable and
> (effectively) non-upgrade-able hardware. Reasonably easy RAM and HDD
> access is
> _required_ on even a laptop PC and especially on a desktop PC. And yes,
> I'm
> old enough to remember when even Apples were called PCs and I still
> consider
> them PCs.
>
> Bill
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